■i[no audible dialogue]■p >> today, 20 24 republican presidential candidate and donaldat a campaign rally in gracie dean, wisconsin. watch live covag beginning at 4:00 p.m. eastern or online at c-span.org.

>> the house will be in order. celebrates 45 years of recovering -- covering congress like no other. since 1979, we primary source of capitol hill, providing balanced, unfiltered coverage, taking you to where policies are debated >> guest is antial transition project. erved at the u.s. office of personal management. good morning. what sparked this>> it's reallyt the right has to be ready. the president really -- to help the president hit the ground running. e' been full of ideas with

a lot of disorganization so we took it few from the left and ogether and we came together to put our ideas and personal recommendations in place. host: who is collectively als? guest: we are now organizations joined together. it's online, project 2025.g are stalwarts. it involves the heritage but gre conservative side. it's a ideas in one place as far as personal recommendations. host: with this project with the idea that it was specifically tailored for former president trump? not at guest: all, it was tailored f the n conservative. we came together in 2022 before anybody had declared here she was running for president.

that was before would run. many of us came from the trump administration and i was a huge backer of president trump and the reason i got into politics. this was really to help the next vative standardbearer whoever that person was to have a complemef ideas at hand. we are united byu■■ let that last 10% divide us as a movement in the conservative world. so dr. kevin roberts came aboard at heritage and and said disorganization, one of the major things is we have 50 years of in its thought of as the mothership of the conservative movement. we have convening power for the movement. so many peopleave worked at heritage or alongside heritage that we can call folks together efforts, let's work together and

literally get in the same room and get literally on the same page to try to be productive. d8this is just another history,0 year history in the u.s. of citizensomin toghe better government. host: to what degree to the e preparations or the developments of these policy ideas? guese was present for four years so so many ids on from hl work. i would like to think that a lot ■m it springs from that first term but with respect toproject. we came one -- we came together as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit and try to wortogethee agnostic project at first. we tailored unapologetically conservative but realizing there were

visions in the movement and where there is divisions, we didn't try to be in one direction or the other. we put our ideas forward and that's ultimately the candidates andresident's job is to set the policy. these are ultimately only recommendations and it's really presidt steam and president trump does not determine the next agenda. host: does that mean the former president had a direct hand in this? guest: that's right. you want to ask questions of our guests, (202) 748-8001 for democrats and inpe if you want o text us, (202) 748-8003there art thisroct in the first one deals with a policy called t mandate for leadership? guest:heritage and it's made itk

in president elect reagan stand of his administration is a mandate for leadership in 1980. that was a compendium of prescriptive fixes for agency by agency. we brought together 400pl heritt th think a successful conservative four-year governance would look like for the department of state and others down the rank. is available online, been downloaded i believe one million times area a topline visionwe ht

ulti these are ideas that are too valuable not to show. we work in the light and president biden is welcome to them as well. i wouldn't be his team is digging through to take some of those ideas because he one of the other things would be the creation of a personal database. guest: we built four pillars and we take in queue froe left to be very systematic how we develop and -- a kopelman to people. each of the■s pillars, the secod bill is personal database akin to a linineach person, we need■e washington we can only do that if americans from all over the country work here. people to get identified in the database so they create their profile and use -- and display their expertise anwe wil help match them to politically appointed jobs in the next

administration. it's our admin -- recommendations for the next administration. this is done by both sides of th's never really gets to the 21st level of organization until now area what we done to be clear is allow people from all over the country andhat's why we go on shows like this to tell you this is your moment to serve. if you washington but you don't know how to get into this now is the way and this is the path you can use. host:■s is it management or othr positions? wh recruiting 1880 plus from cabinet secretary to confidential assistant. we had people without college degrees, people had multiple tours of duty and service and essentially people understand

that the federal government, w permanent government noun washington. 2.2 million federalrs but the president typically only dtpoints 4000. that's a ratio of 1:500 which is extraordinary. in the past, curve -- was 70%.l 4000 even the top pere you are leaving 30% of th is almost political malpractice. there is a lot of in transients and difficulties out there but th area■g it's incumbent on us to get the right people and make they have the right feet those. that's with the other two training and their playbook pillar do. host:■@ this is paul danzge fou.

next up is eric democrats li ye. i would like to sayt in 1776, we fought a revolution because we didn' now with this■/je 2025, you seem to be wanting to do away with just. it seems like a very ambitious thing to accomplish in four years. how does this work when you have eleion ever years and have you given any thought to this expanded power to the executive? what will happen when a democrat gets back in someday? planning on making sure that never just like having elections in russia and china. guest: the caller is correct, we

did fight in 1776. we did away with a king but to be clear, this is an effort to really save democracye a democratic republic. we are based on the executive power is vested in a president. that's the first clause of section one article two of the nsti ultimately, what's happened over the last 1 growth of an almost illicit branch of that's the permanent , and amalgam of the interest of and big law and media all comingher to ordain our lives. this is an effort to be sure our republic is unconstitutional footing.

dictator i would politely suggest to tr is in 1600 pennsylvania avenue right now. where an actual president and his doj would seek tom the leading candidate for president. it's going on in real time and far from trumping a dictator, you alre have a four year history with president of peace and prosperity. ultimately, we want both democrats and republicans, conservatives, any stripe of person in the presidential office to be able to exercise■ñ the presidential powers but do so in a limited government -- and that was intended by our framers. the federal■v government is only there because people given them power. this project is to bring power back to the people which includes the good people of north carolina, independent line -- caller: i read through 2025 andi

have a couple of questions. organization aspire to protecthe dividual rights and freedoms? guest: absolutely. we for leadership, the conservative promise. conservative promise element of that subtitle is forses to the electorate. it's eenfirst is to restore they area second ;g■0is t administrative state and third is to enforce our nations border sovereignty and forthate our in. that is the fourth promise which is critica we've never seen an assault on freedom of speech like we ha th big deck and government

collusion. we've never seen these kindencue exercise of religion. the fbi iswe've never seen thesf bodily intrusions with ulsory jabs to make people decide between keeping their kids or putting a foreign substance in their bodies untested. we are ultimately all about individual liberty ishe genius of the constitution and it's respecting that structure. host: we recentlynv representative jared huffman to join us and he is behind a task force to counter what you are doing a project 2025. i wa bit of his statement to get your reaction [video clip] >> project 2025 and most people won't have the time to do our task force will tell them what it is and what it mes covers just

ab democracy, the things that have made our democracyive us ac secular society. you're talking about attacks on checks and balances, on executive power, invoking emergency authorities in old moago in order to go after wom's reproductive rights and to rollback protections for the lgbtq community, tí, dismantle the federal workforce and install political loyalties throughout political loyalist throughout government and tos v. if you care about democracy and you care about church/state separation and individual rights, you need to understand this agenda and take it seriously. host: do you respond? guest: i agree entirely withis last statement about whether you want to preserve democracy and

individual rights, you need to take thisously and we are doing exactly that. that's what the agenda is. he has dialed into much mischaracterization ofultimatele libertyyb and ordered liberty in the united states. that we have a tradition out. what has happened over the last one for years is this growth of a progressive state that is ultimately permanent government in washington that actually through really represse hindering the life and the ability for americans to that's ultimately project 2025, looking doing a housekeeping of our federal government and bis leviathan to order. respectfully, the congressm cannot say things are going well. we have $35 trillion in debt. we have a 2 billion-dollar

dashboard $2 trillion struct hat all over the world. at the same time, our industries are vaporized and infrastructure is crumbling. if he is proposing that what's goinon hunky-dory, we there is a better way. host: talks about -- when he talks about targeting reproductive rights and lgbtq rights, how do you respond? guest: those are categories. the right are a newman aid -- enumerated in the constitution and there is particular policy decisions. should the government evenj7 be invoking things like dei? is that fair? is that a violation of the constitution and tt's wha lot oe go and foist american popular

culture on foreign countries like infrica wherwe rollout a lot of these kind of quid pro quos whereia we will give you foreign aid if you agree to do x, that's wrong. that's a cultural exportation of the kind of liberal popular culture in the united states. we need to respect foreign cuultimately the question the f, pushing power back to the people and to the states where the bese together on a local basis and this is angela and mai5rie, go ahead. caller: hello, iid download a copy of the project 2025. i admit i didn't read all of it bui pi apart the ones that were most interesting to me the dismantling of the department of education, the entitlement most

concerning is what you're trying to do to civil service. job youy for whether it be government or the private sector should ask you if you are a democrat or a republican. they should base your employment on whethe's merited. i know there is a lot in the viwill have to get around it but you had the supreme work so maybe that will far as civil service employees are considered. on top ofalk to the other caller about the constitution. i don't want he said i will suspend thev' constitution to kp myself in power and told his vice president to reject biden electors and keep■ç his own electors like he told mike pence. heone like that to appoint a loyalist. theconstitution and by the way, before you wor for trump, what was your education and where did

you work? that's all i wanted to say, thank you. guest: there is a lot there. have undergraduate and graduate degrees from m.i.t., a law degree from the university ofaw in new york city for 20 years. i work behind cases and on rebel $27 billion of fraud. i've been ini haven't but i've n interested in politics. most of america's not been in government that this government is ours. much hours as anyone else's. it's incumbent othe callers■

as■ide fonowet's talk about the civil service reform. both sides of theis a bipartisat the civil service needs reformwr twitter, he famously dismissed 80% of the workforce. we are not saying get rid of 80% of federal gernmen reality is every enterprise needs reform over time. in t l years, the growth of the administrative state has when the federal civil service, i hate to break into the cle ago. how do we judge merrick in the system? -- how do we judge merit in this system? it's been ordained by the left. 1883 is when the civs were consecrated to civil

servicewas to ensure continuity of government. after woodrow wilsonnd fdr all the way through the 1960's into ral government that's 99.5% protected. president only appoints the small sliver of pelethat's in itself a big we are talking about a government a■-i;" permanent government. when ant comes into manage, he is sent by the people and there is a mandate. they voted for change. how does he or she effect the change? the vast majority of these policy jobin washington are located in washington and a cosmopolitan area with -- which votes 95% democrat. 's federal work fc

party. this is not representive of our country. there lies the problem. there should never be a political litmus test r there nl service. is taking that agenda and executing in a nonpartisan fashion. what president trumprepublicansg back to an obstinate based on an ai-democratic obstinate stew putting in the policies the pplr. that's really the reformation. when we talk aboutefservice, ism more like everybody else who's goin day on an at will basis. if you are to work to achieve the agenda people voted for, then you have to be able to be accountable to that. that means terminated. host: let' from audrey in

alabama, republican line. caller: hi, pedro and high mr. danz. first thing i would like to say is god blessur would hope the heritage foundation would■n support the 19.5% raise for lower enlisted. question cap above approximately $170,000 per year on social security. ould help. do you agree anybody that's 57 or know and i would just like you to and i would like your answers. thank you. guest: we are a coalition.

there is many proposals in this. on a persol level, i honestly do agree with you÷g enlisted need to be paid better. these are the peop who see the most selfless sacrifice in the country and to hear that a military family has to go on food stamps kind of boils my as someone whose whole family served in the service. with respect to entitlements, we've gotten to this place and you cannot balance the checkbook on granny's back. many ofpaid in overtime. if we are going to actually getting this leviathan under control, we have to spendg and make cuts in that. that's with the real challenges when our elected representatives come to washington don't really carry through in many cases and what they just promised their voters.

it needs to take cut. we are way past our budget. people feel itrythat's why we hs inflation. you get the monthly statement in your checkbook, your credit card statement, that balancing the $4 trillion green new deals in this we are going to a time when electing between paying the grocery bill or the its kind of programmedthese wey decisions from the moment he house that he ignited inflation. set the apple card and ignited war all over e these are very dangerousan■@ s and with what you sow with presidentmp is not only

lower inflation but you saw peace around the the reporting r project came from the guardian in a piece they put out in early june. they sai elected, the former preshas reatened to reinstate a unsuccessfully attempted in his first term wita employees whicd be applied to tens of thousands of civil servants in policy related jobs robbing them of legal protection and making them will. is this part of the project? guest: it's part of president we call accountability. is wha that's what all of us who don't have thesewhen we go to work. the ideaform and people need tosubject to remova. federalwashington makes on avee

$140,000. very plum job.ys of vacation -'f you have a pension, 20 days of vacation, social security and you also have a 401(k) eq of goldplated medical care. people are not even coming into the office. are 70 or 80% vacant. we have theorare not being turned on 60%. we don't know if people are working. we spent $600 billion perear on salaries and benefits but there needs to be some accountability. it's unfair to make america work this hard and she deserves a government that works as hard as she does. hois a viewer from chicago, democrats line, go ahead.

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