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in fort payne, alabama, good morning. caller: first of all, i want to say i do attend a church of god. i believe their stance on everything. second of all, i am a jesus christ believer. ok. mike is, -- my comme is, what is wrong and do they want the vulgar stuff that is showing up in the libraries in schools now? order they want gayism to be taught? it is not about religion or religious, it is about relationships between you and jesus christ. let me maybe someone will answer. which one of the 10 commandments do you not agree with? when i was going to school, we had a guy, i believe it was mr.

hunt. he used to come with a felt bohe had pictures of people in the bible and he would put them on the board and would teach us. then he would have us learn scripture in the bibleif we learn what we were supposed to we would get a little new testament. what is wrong with that? why ain't that being taught now. why are they teaching where you might not be a girl you might be a boy? that is wrong. god made man and woman, male and female. what is wrong with teaching right?what is wrong with living right? somebody answer that question. and god bless america and america bless god. hallelujah. y'all have ahost: laurel, maryland, michael, good morning. caller: good morning. i am a believer. i don't believe that the

republican party is the moral authority that should be telling other people what they should believe in and how to believe. first and shall not worship any o how can you be america, the land of the free, the home of the brave if you're telling everyone else what they should believe in? just that alone is telling muslims that they shouldn't worship allah or mohammed or they are going to hell. it is telling buddhists hell. just looking at this world that we live in now the republicans are the moral authority is laughable. it is laughable. god is a god of love, of grace. to all of my catholic people out there. weer even covered under the law. we are covered under grace. if you're going to teach the 10 commandments, why not teach at the violation thereof of the 10

commandments? especially in louisiana where thousands of black people were murdered and you are coming up against that only wants to tell the history of this country. we need to refocus. host: what is your feeling on trust" on our currency. caller: in god we trust is printed on our money and is really an insult. we turn our money into an idol where we don't act godly because we trust what our money can bias. -- can buy us, the influence money can bring us. moneyge that is spoken about in the 10 commandments, the idle. idol. host: coming up on 7:30 on the east coast asking you about the new law requiring the 10 commandments to be displayed in public schools in the state of louisiana.

keep calling in. i want to show you the sponsor of that bill that became the law. representative jody horton of louisiana, there. she was on the tony perkins show with the family research council talking about this legislation late last month. thi wass of that discussion. [video clip] >> the court has changed. this is a new day for religious freedom. did that factor into your decio move forward. given so many would say this istutional and will be challenged in court, but we have a new court? >> we do praise god and we feel we will meet that challenge. we are focused on the historical aspect of the 10 commandments which all of our laws are included that if the r historical documents like the mayflowerompact, the northwest ordinance, the bill of rights they are able to do that. hanging the 10 commandments in a prominent location is a mandate. so we feel like it will stand

up to the historical challenge. : jody horton of louisiana talking to tony perkins about the supreme court. another headline on the courts from today's washington post. louisiana's 10 commandments two paragraphs, the louisiana law is part of a new crop of measures stemming from a 2022 supreme court ruling in of a high school football coach whose contr prayers at the 50 yard line. the ruling in tennessee throughout the text -- threw out the text to see if it violated the first amendment. the lemon test named after the supreme court ruling asking questions like, does excessive government entanglement with religion? or does the law advance or inhibit religion? in the football coach case, the lemon test is no longer good law the court said and instead judges should look at history

and tradition. a little bit from that waington post story if you want to read more in today's paper. thibodeau, louisiana, good morning. caller: good morning. good morning, this is janice. host: what do in caller: i think it is a good law that we should havthe 10 commandments displayed in public schools. i don't see anything wrong with that. the 10 commandments are good. what is wrong with that? i don't know what's wrong with that. host: in 1980, the supreme court said that, at least in kentucky, they could not do this. caller:ell, i disagree with them. i displayed in public schools. what's wrong with that? the 10 commandments are good. follow them. follow them. follow the 10 commandments. i don't see anything wrong with : mark in little river, south carolina. caller:i am a little tied between

this because when i'm wondering is, court you have to swear on the bible. when you swear on the bible -- can i hear you? host: i can hear you mark. you are swearing on the bible. caller: you swear on the bible. here we a president who has to swear on a bible. if he is muslim to see swear on the kor? i am really confused about that. host: you don't have to swear on the bible if you're muslim. you can swear on the koran if yo i did not know that. so that is an education for me today. what i do -- i went to 12 years of catholic religion and everything else. when i was in grammar school i was taught the true religion was the school christian brothers said forget everything that the nuns t did is we had to learn every religion. i think -- they should --

everybody should learn everyone's religion. we find out that all of our religions are the same. the reason god we believe in being nice to each other and we believe in taking care of each that is my comment for today. host: jim in halifax pennsylvania. caller: good morning. i think the 10 commandments were made to be a learning experience, a guidance. i support the 10 commandments because it is a benefit. the other thing is, as far as money, the bible says that money is the root of all evil. i don't understand why they have "in god we trust" on the money. if those who oppose the 10 commandments have a better way i challenge them to bring that better way forth. just to complain and moan, that gets us nowhere. host:ay to the

people who agree that it is a learning experience, but say that the learning experience on this particularhappen in your church or home and not necessarily be upic school? that is something that you learn inside your own home or your house of worship? caller: siryb, i definitely agree upon that. but to setght, how many people go to church in this day of age in evil andinfluence? answer that question. o to church and teach that in their own home? about the declining number of people who attend church? caller: are the children supposed to learn that when their parents have not any ambition to get them to church? their parents have no ambition tom right from wrong. here's what i think sir. they should take the 10 commandments and take that from god. eliminate that the 10 commitments are from god but ive a better life, sir. them people who oppose it, bring

forth a better way to make our country better. that's all i got to say. thank you, sir, for hearing me. host: fayetteville, north carolina, good morning. caller: c-span, america, good morning, how are y'all on this wonderfulay. host: doing well, felix. what you think about the question? caller: i am opposed to it. i have a question that i wish to postulate to c-span's audience. this is a brilliant audience. i learned things every day. first of is the political exception in the bible for violating the ninth commanent continuously of bearing false witness? i was always taught that an individual like st. francis sand everywhere i go i preach the gospel. sometimes i might even use words. i want the c-span audience to help me understand what the political exception is to the ninth commandment.

because this is political, not religious. america, y'all have a great day. host: that was felix, this is france while in germantown maryland. -- in germantown maryland. caller: i am for but i am hearing the voice of the people who are opposed too because we don't want to impose a religion, a christian religion to other groups. i have an objection. instead of calling it the 10 about conduct. we eliminate one, two, three commitments that have nothing to do with god and we focus on the sixth through the fourth tenets. the fourth tenet is about how we conduct ourselves to be a good citizen, and everybody, i

believe, should agree there is some common sense from fou we can all agree onr to six -- from four to six we can all agree on and leave the remaining out if that is where the problem is. host: is it like teaching as the golden rule and not as something that stems from the sermon on the mount? caller: yif that would make everyone comfortable, let's call it the golden rule and make it from the fourth to tenth. its not the 10 commandments, it is just a good code of conduct that we need to behave as a good citizen. host: a few of your comments from social media. i wanted to ins woodi schos. there are plentyreceiv rai is considered grooming christianitys but

we have about 15 minutes left to hear from you, simply letting you talk about this 10 commandments law in louisiana that has gotten a lot of attention this week. figured it would spark discussion here on "the washington journal" this morning. (202) 748-8000ou support the law. (202) 748-8001 if you oppose it, louisiana residents, setting aside a special line for y (202) 748-8002. jay is in d.c. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call john. i think it is a brilliant idea. why not display the bill of rights in every public classroom in the united states of america? that is exactly what we need. backwards. we are going back towards fascism putting in religion. even the corrupt supreme court is going to shoot down this law. it will show us just how bad our democratic republic is in

recovery, in need of rovery. on top of that in light of the sheer genocide taking place i the middle east, you have some of these right-wing so-called endorsing sheer genocide. what good is putting more religious principle in classrooms when you have people who are not jumping up and down protesting the clear genocide that is taking place? host: you think that the supreme court would strike itz] down like they did in 1980 in kentucky? caller: i am educated enough to know that it is a clear break line violation of church and state. i am not a constitutional scholar. anyone who can read -- host: i don't know if you saw the clip from the sponsor of this they were pointing out that it is a new day on the supreme court, a new sre court.

that they have changed on perhaps thisit was governor jeff landry said i can't wait to be sued on thishe was being asked about the legal challenges. the sponsors of this law think they will win. caller: let me tell you, that and the trumpunity, if that happens we can kiss our democratic republic goodbye. host: we could have a trump immunity decision today. it is decision day at the supreme court. decisions they will hand down, but usually happens minutes after 10:00 a.m. eastern when the decisions are released. the supreme court will get a lot more crowded this morning in the next two as we await some of those big decisions this term of the supreme court. the immunity case idaho abortion case is another one we are waiting on. we will see which ones get handed down in two hours and 20 minutes. this is mark in hempstead,

maryland. good morning. caller: good morning. i'm actually forhe 10 commandments being put up in the classroom. our country was founded on judeo-christian principles. this idea that there is supposed to be a separation between church and constitution actually doesn't say that. contrary to the last caller, he was saying that our democratic republic -- i should add that the word democratic and democracy appr nowhere in the constitution. the constitution actually says that the federal government shall create -- shall not create a church. the whole thing about the separation between church and state went back to a letter thomas jefferson wrote to some baptist ministers in 1802. it had to do with the federal government not interfering with religion. at that time, many churches in

the united states were very closely affiliated with the states. the constitution simply states that the federal government shall not establish athere is a big difference. they -- the democrats have always had -- they wrote a story not long ago talking about christian nationalism on cnn. they had a comme saying, you know,tian nationalists actually believe their rights come from god. actually, that is literally what the constitution sdemocrats would have you believe that your rights are a dispensation of government. they are not. they are unalienable. your rights are unalienable from god. so food for thought. host: do you see putting up the 10 commandments in a public school classroom as a religious act? something to teach

caller: a little bit of both. here is the thing. a cof callers earlier were talking about the inscription of in god we trust on the dollar bill. the bible says that mo evil. the bible says the love of money is the root of all evil, not money is the root of allpeople have that backwards. all of our le based on judeo-christian principles. that's the foundation of our country, like it or not. there is nothing wrong with -- probably about half of the countries in the world, their laws are based on religion. we are not unusual in that respect. there is nothing fascist about wanting to put up the 10 partnership, stakeholder capitalism. that would be what the current biden administration is doing now when it talks about

stakeholder capitalism. public-private partnership. host: you mentioned jefferson's letter to the danbury baptists, i pulled it up on the library of congress website. is january 1, 1802. i will read one paragraph that thomas jefferson wrote this congregation. " believing with you that religion is a matter that lies solely between man and his god that he owes account to none for his faith, his worship. that government powers reach i contemplate with sovereign reverence that acts of the whole american which declared their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof thus, building a wall of separation between church and state. adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation on behalf of the rights of conscience, i shall see with satisfaction that sentiments that tend to restore to man all

his natural rights, convinced he has no natural rights in opposition to his social goes on from there. you're talking about what he wrote at that time? caller: yes. right at the end of the phrase you nailed it. czhe is talking about natural rights. that is the way that is written into our constitution. rights under god our natural that is the natural law that we believe in. that is basis. that is what john locke is what the founding fathers believed in. host: thanks from a call from hampstead, maryland. cindy, thank you for waiting. rutherford, new jersey. caller: my questions, are the 10 commandments there posting in the school something that they are supposed toollow? if that is the case, what about remember the sabbath day? is that something they that is very important. the bible says remember the sabbath day. y are going to follow question mark to me it sve been the golden rule. do you want to others as you

would have them do unto you. this makes no sense. i don't oppose or support it, but a lot of the things in the 10 commandments the supreme court doesn't follow. donald trump certainly doesn't follow it. i'm confused asin schools. are they supposed to follow the stion. host: the law that was passed says nothing about mandating that people follow it. it just mandates that these 10 commandments have to be posted prominently in every public louisiana from elementary school to college, public college classrooms. caller: once again, are people supposed to follow this? host:sn't say anything about that is what i'm telling you. caller: once again, remember the sabbath day is something that is also in the 10 commandments. once again, i don't oppose or support it. i believe children should be taught these things at home and not in public schools. christians were muslims, we have various religions.

ppen in the public schools in louisiana, it is like a slap in the face for the louisianahost: the volunteer state, oak ridge, steve, good morning. caller: morning john. i support it, but i want to it further, if i may. i think it needs to be displayed in every congressman's office so they might look at it every day and think about it. if you put the 10 commandments up the also have a four foot long, half-inch thick steak and every time that a kid lies, cusses, or steals the teacher should beat them with the stick. it makes more sense to than just putting them up there. thanks. in d.c., good morning. caller: good morning. i think it is interesting. i heard from a friend who grew up in baton rouge, louisiana that there is more -- the

percentage of students who attend private school in the louisiana is significantly higher than the national average. he said when he was growing up there at the time it was the -- the school with the highest percentage of students who attended private school of any other state. esting. that may be the public schools have other things going on they should be concerned about considering the majority of louisianans, maybe to this day, would rather have their kids in private school. second, for folks, i used to work in the public schools in the washington, d.c. area. for folks saying that having the 10 commandments can only do good because kids need some kind of moral code. what do they think teachers are doing? where do they think teachers are doing every day in our public school classrooms besides teaching reading, writing, and

arithmetic? any teacher that you ask wil tell you the majority of their job is teaching goodit's teaching values. they understand the responsibility having these kids in their cla -- honestly taking on more than their parents to do. during the school year, at least. it goes beyond having them pass standardized tests. re are exceptions, and i've seen plentyhe majority of teachers, preschool through 12thdw grade that i have worked with and encountered, see it as their duty to also teach kids that it is wrong to steal. teach kids that it is wrong that you should try to respect your parents. who, by the way, the schools that i worked in, their parents, maybe, honestly are not home or are not always the greatesti think that that is a complicated conversation to be having if you're going to have respect your mother and father

up in theom. you better be prepared to have a conversation about, my dad beats me. am i supposed to respect him?these conversations happen in public school classrooms every day. putting it on teachers to have to explain these things, through the lens of the 10 commandments it is so prescriptive and paternalistic don't think at is fair to teachers. host: what grade or grades have you taught? caller: i am a speech pathologist and i worked in a high school in montgomery county maryland for a few years. now i work with kids in the private setting from ages 2 to 68. the whole lifespan now. host: when you went into a cl there other things that were mandated to be displayed in a public school classroom that you can recall? caller: every public school classroom, i used to also work

in baltimore city public schools, the majority of public school systems have their own code of ethics. every school system, where at least every school, has their own code of ethics that basically says everything that you would need to your life in the schoolleast about treating others with respect not discriminating against their race, religion, or creed. host: that is displayed in the caller: yes, that is mandated to be displayed in every classroom. the expectation is when you are at especially in a public school where there are so manyife that you have to treat people with respect or the school doesn't function. i think that this is already being done in a lot of ways. host thank you for the call. james in harvey, louhow closely were you following happening this week, james? caller: here. first, i want toents i

was taught. but there is a whole lot of things going on with our government politicly. i think he had a mandate but he barely got elected. that is not the point. the point is i think one of the things in the law said it hadld testament version of the 10 commandments. which one isthe one from deuteronomy or exodus? they are slightly different. one says remember and one says keep the sabbath. host: i can help you on that, james. the law calls for the particular protestant text based on the king james bible which as the washington post notes in the wrapup is different from versions used by catholics and those of other faiths and religions. it is the king james version. caller: my point is, even in the king james version there are two versions.

remember the sabbath and keep the sabbath. which one? not only that, but the state is predominantly catholic. i have seen in catholic bibles where there is no version where it shalt not have any graven images hes i have attended i see people praying to statues. i believe in the 10 commandments, but our government seems to forget the constitution when one of the first edicts he made was he wanted to take away the scholarships of ls team for them expressing their freedom of the first amendment. it or this man just wants everyone to think the way he thinks. we seem to be moving backwards. this should not be a mandate of whether you believe it is good or it is right

in this country to do wrong. one of the rights is to be stupid, and we seem to keep exercising it. host: donna in florida, good morning, your next. caller: thanks for taking my call john. i kind of got mixed emotions on this issue. supported in the fact that it can be posted just like boy scouts have their rules, or the golden rule we have been talking about. but it doesn't have to be in each and every classroom. there are documents all along the hallways and most of our schools. if the kids ad it, they read it. whenys honor they father -- thy father and thy mother, they will

laugh. we have passed that point of our young people graing these these rules. be put up there. not5c classroom. we don't have a picture of george washington in every classroom. he's the father of our country. which one -- where do you draw the line? in louisiana, i thi they are doing a good thing. i agree with it. i support it. but it is not necessarily for every state, every school. host: donna in florida. one more in this first segment of the washington journal. garrett in texas. caller: how are this morning? host: doing well. we have about a minute. caller: i want to say that i

lived in louisiana when i was doing my masters. i think louisiana has a lot more problems just what is going on with posting the 10 commuisiana is one of the only states where people are continually leaving year after year. this is just so aesthetic. they have legitimate issues that they should be grappling with, a nd this is what we are doing. louisiana doesn't guarantee school lunch but now we have to guarantee -- now we have to guarantee at least that the 10 commandments will be posted. nnot guarantee lunch but we can guarantee a policy --guess this is where we are. host: our last color in this

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♪ >> "washington journal" continues. host: ashley piatt joins us to talk about the conservative agenda and election 2024 and she's the executive director of america first works, group's mission is what? guest: to get power back to the american people. the organization was foundedit was founded by brooke rollins who was the former domestic policy officer in the trump white house. leslie mcmahon and larry kudlow and several others some former nfl players and these are the thought leaders of the former administration who want to continue their walk -- their work. she was the head of public policy for a long time for 20 years and when t founded, we also needed the

political arm and that's when america's first was formed. we work actively in the states for policy in the states. we work at the federal level as well. we also work withparents and school board members on model policy in this year, it's a big year to have started registering voters and working to get out the vote this november. host: what are some america first policies? >> guest: school choice is a top topic. this is especi covid shutdowns and our kids being forced out of schools. kids. we saw a lot of parents who were very unhappy with the curriculum they saw during that time when this happened so it started an amazing movement, notably led by governor ducey in arizona later kim reynolds in iowa and across the country.

it involved gender modification of miners and the parents have rights as far as the child's reform. d regulation so it's been an exciting time. states are where the action is at now so we've been really successful in our efforts. ho: we just spent the past hour talking about the 10 comman louisiana. did you ha thoughts on that? guest: that we got behind in texas. jack brewer who is one of our leaders and shares in a fci and the senior advisor and the key champions of support and it's something we would love to see across the board. there is no having a pride flag or anything in the classroom so i don'tere would be a problem to have christian content as well. host: what does and what's its role on election day and what does america first role

from now until election day? guest:o3 a but is thes policy and ideas that change hearts and mindsciwe launch project 19 which is timately determine the future of our country. these counties are not red or blue. we have boots on the ground knocking on doors and sharing the policies of america first. right now, we are in an unpredented time with a border crisis and an economy that bidenomics has hurt the american people and being able to educate people and mobilize people to vote. community, we have leveraged the app -- the african-americans and first women and focusing on making sure we get out the vote and get our message out to people. host: is the target mostly the presidential raceand senate races?

guest: if you look at the target states like arizona, wisconsin pennsylvania, ohio michiganr:congressional races that are very important. thankfully due to an fcc opinion that was released late march and early april, we are now able to fully coordinate with the trump campaign and rnc on door-to-door canvassing's of being able to know which universes we should target, where we need to prioritize is something we will take into consideration. host: we invite our viewers to join the conversation. we are taking your phone calls and the lines are as usual, republicans (202) 748-8001 democrats (202) 748-8000, in the -- independentsxkia (202) 748-8002. as folks are calling if donald trump wins in november what role in the new administration and what do you se ae as the new administration? guest: our project 19 is part of

a bigger plan that was brought together with others. bits of plan called pathway to 2025 in the first is our data and messaging and understand how we talk about politics which is crediblex -- which is critical. it wasn't just their typical coalition.it was also bringing the conservative movement together. that will be important in 2025 pecially the first 100 days. going through our team ha what policies we need to move forward onration. that's with the team has been focused on and from a policy point of view butha w sure when we go back to the forgotten men and women and show them the policies and aligned with their passions we can mobilize the

people when those opportunities come forward so we can pass legislation. host: what did you do as far as coalitions for the trump campaign? guest: mamas was one of the groups. it was prettg. it was like a little campa campaign. we did events and digital targeting. i worked with so many different people across the country. we had 650 advisory board members and they love america and our country and they want to see it be the best it can be ever. getting engaged in the policy issues, they never disengaged with america first so making have the tools they need to continue to mobilize and get the word out. host: work in the trump administration? guest: i didn't, i was a small businei did political profit fund how did you make the jump from there? guest: it was a little political

already. there was some mayoral races and school board races and i ran the california women's leadership organization. i got a phone call asking if i would come to d.c. and meet with the trump campaign so i did women for trump for about six run the coalitions and went from there, it was awesome. host: let's chat with some callers. it's robert line for republicans, good morning. are you with us? caller: can you hear me? host: yes. caller: good morning. i have a two-part question. i am a black man that lives in washington, d.c., born and raised in america. most people like m color most people of color are conservatives. you is why is it all the conservative policies affect negatively people of color?

for c-span, my question to you, when will you haven't honest dialoguear what it means based on the track record in theth by conservatives? we have to get to the truth of what that means. that is a racial component involved in that and we need c-span which is a great station but you need to have thattion. host: before you go, can you give me your summary of what you think conservatism means today? caller: conservative for most black has to do with things we are for that benefit us asly. these are things we are against things like homosexuality but not to the point that we will demean andut people as devils becauseo are drug addicted, we will not demean them. all kinds of negative things to those folks. when you getes and you see those policies, they are

strictly for a minority group of people, white people. i think we have to have that conversation with the country and until we do, some of these aigner emesis will never understand that this lady represents a racist group of people and that's the conservative vie chance to respond? guest: first of all, thank you for calling in. int that we have to explain with the policies we are for and that's something i think a lot of times we can complain and we can fail and we can say we don't like the border and there is a crisis in a bad economy but there is never any solution. that's something we have prided 2% the solutions are. when we talk about the border crisis, that was an intentional crisis graded by the biden what's happening in cities like chicago and new york, in atlanta for example every community is affected by this. that's why we need to secure the border and defeat the drug cartels. when we launch the america first

agenda, it waspolicy plant and each one of those pillars has different state and federal policies behind them that are solutions for the american people. that america first works we have a close partnership with the black conservative federation and the frederick douglass alliance. we are so proud to have most of our team on the field as black americans policies of prosperity, freedom, lower taxes, cutting back on regulations that hurt families and growing businesses. minority businesses are the fastest growing in the countries of making sure we have few regulation there and allow prosperity. our coalitions focused on getting into the communities to talk about second chances. if you look at the previous administration it's a great example of trying to reduce recidivism. if downtown d.c., you have a mayor that does

not want law and order. 'communities regardless of skin color. need to make sure we have law and order in our communities and create balance with programs like theack of recidivism. host: this is independent. caller: good morning, this question specifically for you discussed advocating for parent contrmany of those advocating for conservative policies including yourself by individuals whose children are not in public schools. how do you grapple with this and do you think it's truly parent control? guest: what i said was parent should have control over their child's education meaning parent have -- some of the policies we advocate for and transparency of education. as a parent whose child was formally in public school, i did not have transparency of what their color -- their curriculum was and every parent should be able to choose whether a child goes into a public or private

school. onee things we've done is we've started issuing public recordsard to find out what is the curriculum. e frankly, we get blocked or it will cost thousas of dollars to obtain that information that's not right. public schools a taxpayer-funded and we should be able to understand what our kids are learning or not learning in the classroom. in colorado come america first policy was involved in a lawsuit. there were children invited to an afterschool art program. the kids were told it was very little to the parents know that they were grooming the children on gender issues. the parents had no idea and it got them involved in a lawsuit. unfortunate, one of the children tried to commit suicide because it caused so much frustration and these are the type of things we have to stop immediately. that's all there is to it. host: indianapolis, line for democrats, good morning. caller:first of all about the border

situation, let's get one thing clear -- it was senator james lankford of oklahoma that pushed the border bill which the democrats reluctantly signed on to because they needed to solve the problem with the border and it was donald trump who sabotaged it through the house republicanlet's be honest about that. it was donald trump who sabotaged that. joe biden took an executive order to correct it but donald trump needed a campaign issue saying we were being invaded by people of color to scare middle america. host: that's a big question so let's ask about that. guest: the border crisis has gone for three years now and the present has done absolutely nothing to address it.so many victims innocent young women whose livav by an unsecured border. the president could have issued

an executive order but he rescinded president trump cies of the stay in mexico rule which has exacerbated the crisis at the border. millions of people have come into the country illegally and even if you take 1% of people that have crossed into the is thousands and thousands of potential criminals . it's putting our country at risk for another terrorist attack. if you look at the bill the james lankford signed onto, it did not address the issue of children. therechildren missing in the united states. it was not a good bill this executive order that joe biden passed his n border crisis whatsoever. it exacerbates it. host: it's extending these asylum claim? guest: yes. we do not have a secure border at this point. stay in mexico was one of the best things the trump administration did. the created this intentionally.

host: what about the executive actions we saw this week from the biden white house with the parole in place policy affecting half a million=t immigrants married to citizens living in the united states? guest: it is still not addressing the fact that there are millions of people coming across the border. that is a tiny band-aid that does not address the border crisis we have. if you look at the numbers between the previous in administration and today, the number of people even in the obama administration when their numbers were a fraction what biden had, that was a crisis. we are tenfolde. it could be solved by this president but he doesn't want to solve the problem. host: in canada, richard calling in on the line for republicans, go ahead. caller: good morning, ashley. guest: good morning. caller: ivanka trump said trump took inappropriate think he would have to immediately drop out of the

race. joe biden's daughter confirmed to a judge that her father took inappropriate liberties with her so how come republicans in congress and president trump' that? i hope president trump talks about in the june 27 debate. thank you. guest: i don't think i need to comment on that but if you want to talk about the complete dysfunction happening in the biden crime family, we can go down that path as well. let's talk about the debate prep. do you have anybody in your organization working on)l debate prep with former president trump? what do you expect next thursday? guest: i think you will see the president -- president trump layout very clear the difference between america first in america last and the trump administration versus stration. the american people get to

decide between both being ink and executive in this position success of the trump administration with a record to point to and for joe biden, he does not have that at all. joe biden needs to answer to questions about burisma and hunter biden and his relationship with china. i think he also needs to answer to the just to these young women. he couldn't answer the questions about these women. he checked his watch when the marines were being brought home from afghan in 2021. i'd like some answers there. guest: host: 20 minutes left in the phone numbers if you want to join the conversation, (202) 748-8001 for republicans independents (202) 748-8002people are continuing to call in and youca first agenda. if viewers go toafp.com you can

go through the different pillars of the america first agenda. one of them is to make it easy to vote and hard to cheat. how do you do both of those things of those thin should be common sense. voter identification has been something that 85% of americans agree with. banning the drop boxes were makingedure there will be drop boxes in this election. making sure they are secured. i think voter identification has been a number one issue for us. only u.s. citizens should be voting in our election and that's what we were focused on. that's what we've been focused on is making sure everyone gets one vote, one legal vote and their vote counts. regardless of your political party, everybody should be allowed to have their vote count. host:rimary voting that

t: we've traveled to all of the counties and there are still some machine issues. i'm not talking about technogybut in one of our counties we were visiting, the paper didn't fit in the machine and that's a problem. they dst one of the machines and it didn't work properly it started on election day. let's make sure they have the right paper in the machine is operating. it's a common sense solution to making sure everyone has the opportunity to vote. and that it's fair. host: we talked a little bit about ballot servicing. what is that and should that legal or illegal? is that something the trump campaign should deploy this election cycle? guest: i'm from california so in california in 2016, they had automatic voter registration that passed. that creates -- when you were

16 you get a drivers license and you can accidentally be added to the voter rolls. there is a major voter role issue still. that's not a conspiracy theory, these are facts. we have seen data where people have been -- wh someone passes away, the family asks to rthem. the state isn't aware that person has passed away and they are left on the voter rolls. states, they allow people who are not legal to obtain a driver's license, they can also automatically be enrolled in the system. they need to be purged from the voter rolls because they are not legally allowed to vote. on the ballot harvesting in california, yo can obtain someone's ballot. interesting in 2018 on some of the campaigns i worked on, a lot of theld show up at college campuses and they would go and collect people.

this is the harvesting. they are filled out and done but sometimes that's where it some people will be influenced to vote a certain way based upon this harvesting which should not happen at all. on the conservative side what happened was republicans did not want to give somebody there there was a security issue and we would h campaign like local conservatives did not return their ballot so it's huge issue for republicans from what we saw in the numbers. early vote is another huge issue that president trump hasd into periods asking people to go and vote early. i would like to see president trump go -- vote early in florida. i in 88 days, pennsylvania can start voting if republicans did not take advantage of that rly vote, it will be problematic in the fall.

i think, whether or notthink there shouldn't be ballot harvesting early voting, it matter. either we have to gets and play by the new rules and start winning again or we stick with the old ways and potentially lose seats. host: when it comes to new rules for an election, should there be a rule in place that will abide to the election can you change election rules? host: guest: in 2020, they change the rules constantly. it created so many problems. states were not prepared to handle the changes they made. host: should there be a federal law from -- that says how far away from the election you can change laws? guest: i personally states rights issue. you very clear and this is the problem you run"r into like in virginia you have elections in

and 2025. it's difficult but it should go through your regular legislative process. this should go through y/#r state house and state senate. that's how most of it is done. host: the website is america first policy.com to check out the full agenda. you can click through that. back to calls for you, this is cr good morning. caller: how are you doing? host: doing well. caller: i was curious, where did you get your law degree from? guest:ee. host: what is your background before you became or got into working on campaigns? guest: i s at the republican party san diego county. my parents are i was the first of my family to go to college. i went to uc san diego.i finished in three years and i was motivated to get through

school and i love to work and love being in the workforce and i had multiple jobs for college and high school. then i worked on different political caaigns and political offices only started my own business when id that's when i started doing non-political fundraising. it's been really amazing. host: what was it like cutting your teeth and politics as a republican in the very blue state of california? guest: i was in a red county in san diego. san diego used to be very conservative. our mayor at one point in time was also conservative.it was great. it was really exciting and i loved it. i was there whe governor and gray davis was recalled and if you think about it, he was recalled for a budget deficit that is one third of it was today in california which is mind blowing that california has

such a massive deficit. host:he 2020 campaign, did you come right to this job? guest: i went straight to america first policy. itrming it in march. i went straight american policy institute we did american first works later that fall. it's been awesome. host: about 10 left with ashley hayek this morning, republican line, good morning. caller: with all of the stuff going on with donald trump with going to court and 34 cases and all of this, joe biden keeps calling out because he's running for president. he is a felon. what the people that's coming across the border raping these little girls and killing mothers , wouldn't you think somebody might say that joe biden is an accessory to rape or an accessory to murder because he

is the one that let it happen? guest: thank you for your question. first of all, thepolicy and the party and radical left is thing else to run on so they will talk about democracy and present trumping a convict but what we see on the right is that so many people are so frustrated when you had to choose between heating and eating and you see these young girls going out on awhen you see a mother in the middle of the day. those stories are horrific and i think you are seeing the reactionh so many people from the left coming to support president trump. you see the rise in the polls across the board. when we run on the policies, we win. that but the reality is that president trump is not calling names right now

he's leaning into the policies that will make the american people better. i think that provides hope and solutions inhe first caller said what are we for? that's what president trump is doing now and he's doing a really good job. host: how muchhould he talk about the 2020 election and his concerns about the 2020 election? gues he has addressed this to make sure the election is too big to rig. i think election integrity is on the top of minds of most americans as it should be. i think people are more vigilant and paying attention to what's happening. i think rnc have done an amazingob recruiting attorneys and lawsuits have been filed to make sure we have a safe and secure election. has addressed it and he talks about it but morere we mobilize to win this fall. host: in wisconsin, line for democrats, good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to say that the 10 commandments is not a bad idea at all.

i think x president trump [indiscernible] you're a religious person but ye area you can throw that went out the window. what i would like to say is that nine of the 10 states in the country have been run by republicans for years and years. they got the poorest health care in the country. the schools and not good. i live next to iowa and i wouldn't even go to i would to work because of the simple fact the wages are $10 an hour. would you like to tell me as an american, i should vote for the republican party? guest:the cost of living is significantly lower in iowa than it is in blue states. you look at the policies from

the very beginning, the america first policy is make the tax cuts permanent. secure the border and defeat human trafficking and duck dachshund drug cartels and make sure there is deregulation. the trump administration measure eliminated three at regulations for every new one added. you have the exempt opposite of that in this administration. we needsinesses to prosper and grow. i look at texas and florida and people from california and new york are fleeing to go to states like florida, tennessee and texas. it's unsafe there and it's expensive and you have the largest income disparity in country in california and the highest homeless crisis. it's a massive homeless crisis. people want communities and be able to have prosperity. host: how concerned the political divide in this country and the fact that th said he would not go to a red state or wouldn't work there.

just writing off an entire state because the red state? guest: i think t media has exacerbated a lot of the rhetoric and the political divisiveness in this country. that's completely exploited. we are seeingagenda come more and more people joining us. 's open because we want people to be successful. we want people to live in peace and have prosperity and self-governance. that's our goal at the end of the day and we can do this in a way and it doesn't have to be so divisive. host: how much is donald trump and joe biden responsible for exploiting or exacerbating that political divide? guest: i personally see president trump trying to reach across party lines and pull people in. i see him doing rallies in the bronx at bodegas but i don't see

that from joe biden.joe biden, i seem weaponizing the department of justice to go after the pro-life dead praying outside an abortion center after -- i don't seem going after domestic terrorists or think joe biden is completely responsible for creating a two-tier system of justice to go after his political opponent for the latin churches. he has no doubt exacerbated it in the difference between the two has never been more clear. host: inglewood, california independent. good morning good morning. i have a comment on a question. my comment isms. hayek sta her speech say she is nonpartisan and not democrat or republican which is a that's definitely a lie but my question is, every time i hear one of these people with america first america first, the first thing that comes to mymind is and i wish c-span would show this any time of them comes

on the first thing that comes to my mind is the picture of the ku klux klan marching with america first signs. is that who you attach yourself to because that's where america first came from. guest: stephanie. you are up early in california. first of all it's afcpi which is nonpartisan. it's conservative and personally i worked on the trump campaign so i never said i was not nonpartisan. i'm very partisan and you look at my twitter feed and see the same thing. in regards to the racial issues, ad that the kkk lincoln, the republican president who is for freedom. to continue this misconception isj- dishonest and a flat out lie. there's that. host: independent line, david in massachusetts. caller: good morning.

there was so much i would have to talk about but i'd like to identify myself first as a log cabin republican. people don' means but it means a conservative gay person. gay person in this country now, i am appalled at the number of people who support that are gay and support abortion. e reason why i am living and being gay is because i was raised by my mother. i'm tired of all this lgbtq qrx people. get back tthe science and what bothers me most about the democratic party as mr. biden calling himself the so-called conservative catholic. that's along with nancy pelosi and yet he in taking a life of another baby. i tell friends that if your mother found out you were gay and you are in the room anto kill you because of that, is that all right? of courst. is life and murder is murder. thank you. guest: thank you, david.

i'm very glad you're mom chose life. i was listening to an interview that megyn kelly had with london who is hunter biden's i guess babymegan asked her if s she said no. she said i look at my litt girl and i thank god that i have her. most parents, all parents who have chosen life agree with that sentiment. my question for the left would be, what are your exceptions? you say we are not for but what are your exceptions? i have heard about when a baby can feel pain. the arizona initiative is one of the most extremen th you can decide you don't like the gender of your ban abortion.

the law has gone way too and it's out of touch with most americans. host: how much in the next 4.5 months will we hear about abortion? much of the campaign will be focused on abortion? this is before we know the results of the supreme court idase. guest: this weekend is the anniversary of the dobbs decision. it has fueled a lot of emotions but here's where we stand? we give hope to women and families an opportunity for prosperity and empowerment. that's what our hope agenda is about. is that women should have access to the medical care they if they are struggling with fertility. a woman should not hav to have an abortion because she's not able to provide for that baby. i think the left would like to talk about conservatives taking away women's rights because they don't have a way to support women. we need to make sure we provide health care and opportunity for

all women and babies. the left can continue to talk about their eighth or ninth late-term abortion policies but what is your exception on the left? when is it ok? i'm not hearing that you have a limit on the left. host: ashley haye's executive director america first works. also american policy.com if you want to check out their institute. thank you for your time. coming up inbe joined by angela kelly, senior advisor to the american immigration lawyers association and we will talk about tidhe buntil then, it's open for. we will hear any public policy or political issue you want to talk about on the phone lines as usual split by republicans, democrats and independents. start calling and now we will get your calls right after the break. ♪

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days. the other note coverage of the u.s. conference of mayors continues with a discussion on mental health challenges today. that's live at 10:15 a.m. eastern here on c-span c-span.org and the free c-span now mobile app. plenty this morning coming your way on the c-span networks but for the next 27 minutes or so it's our forum like any public policy issue or political issue, go ahead. first up is a democrat, good morning. caller: good morning. trying to get you before the young lady got off a few minutes ago. my comment on that is they always talk about people having abortions and talking about people's personal life. when the kids are here, they don't want to do anything to help the people that have the kids after they don't have an they decide to give them up or not. she is talking the blue states and the red states. at least the people in the blue

states have some kind of safety net. the people in the red states don't have any safety net. i can't believe there are families and friends of mine that live in states that don't know anythin about rent rebates, tax rebates or none of that. they donif they don't get out and wor her with someone else, there is no support for them. i don't know what she's talking about. these people she's talking about that are doi so much, when the governor was in california, he had a mishap himself. these people are always pointing the finger but when at you, they've got for pointing back at them. don't like their ideology of by their rules but they don't want to abide by any other rules. host: this is david in riverside, california, republican, good morning. caller: good morning america. trump was convicted of 34

bookkeeping errors in new york city. itcrime and it wasn't a felony, it was a misdemeanor. the only witness that said trump is guilty is the convicted perjurer michael cohen. in other words trump didn't do anything wrong but the regrets of these cases against trump including president by the department of justice to ruin his campaign for president and they are trying democracy while claiming to protect it. the democratic any principles other than power. if vote for him to make sure there is a justice system that people. if you can put people in jail running for president based on trumped up charges, this is worse than watergate. vote for donald trump whether you love them or not. ion't know why liberals are cheering this administration. they might of our democracy. the democratic party has turned unmocrthere is no other way of looking at it. ocracy and rule of law is on the ballot.

host: south bend, indiana donald is a democrat, what's on your mind? caller: that last caller made me the reason why he made me laugh is a keep thinking about this movie liar, liar. there is one scene and there were jim carrey comes back because he is a lawyer and his -- one of his habitual clients comes on the phone and says he's back. jim carrey says to guy, quit breaking the law, that's what donald trump is in the situation is in but that's not why a call. i am 62 years old. i am about solving problems. your last guest, my goodness. re quickly, about the border i agree. i was for voter reform back in 1990 but that then republican

congress look the other way in my opinion. i don't have facts on this but they look the other way and businesses were border but they look the other wayt them come over the border and now we have this problem now. we do need to solve this problem but the republican party is not for solving this problem. donald trump said it himself. is a campaign issue. i agree there are some factions in this democratic party need to come closer to the middle, i agree. but we have to solve this problem because it will only get worse because of climate change and other situations in othcountries where people are just

fleeing those countries. it will get worse. host: and rockaway park, new york,endent good morning. caller:e crap rr4 on and they go on for five more minutes. i've seen interview with ken cuccinel. only three of your audience were able to call in and for seven , he repeated the same line he repeated previously. limit on your speakers? maybe a time when it on the people asked the questions just like they do in hearings. host: out of curiosity, what would your time limit before an answer and what would your time limit before question? caller: i think you somebody to say who they are and where they come from, the usual and give them three minutes. give them five minutes. as to the people calling in you should allow other people to call in and asked the same

question. you are diligent and asked very good but if you put a time limit on filibustering while your guests and your respondents, i think you would haorthat's basically it. other than that, c-span, your wonderful and john, i like the way you interact with your guests. that's all i have to say. i have no complaints except that what i think is a constructive suggestion. you should not let people filibuster. host: i got it. we always appreciate the feedback. about four minutes until the house comes in and it will be a brief pro forma session. they will do the pledge of allegiance and there may be short business that's done and there will be a prayer as well. we will be back here on the other side of that and continue with open forum.

we will go to that when the doors open. until then, we will continue with your cause. in california, democrat, good morning. mi on the air? host: didn't we just talk? you sound like the previous caller. caller: no, but i think you should limit it to one minute and 30 seconds. it's got to be short like that. the guess that you are on, i'm 71 years in a california native. the border problem, i've been watching c-span for 30 years anyway. republicans want to seal the border. because we are not having enough kids. i'm the last of 13 way back in michigan way back when. they are only hds don't have enough workers. no will -- no one will be honest about it and they close the border destiny didn't close the border because we didn't have enough workers coming in.

the lady mentioned is terrible and horrific. women remarry and raise their kids come you don't hear about it, it shouldn't happen but they keep putting that out about the border thing. that's crazy. host: this is john in florida, republican, good morning. caller: how are you doing? i want to respond to the person who said he would never live in a red state. i florida and as a florida resident, i want to say we are tired of the people here. that's what's going on right now. stay in their blue states and not come to florida. we don't want you down here and we don't need your money and we don't need nothing from you. to mention also how

worried i am for this country. the democrats democrats just have no common sense. y hit the constitution or america. i don't unders vote for what's going on in this country right now as a democrat. it makes no sense to me. the republicans are truly the party of common sense. host: city, go ahead as we wait for the house to come in. caller:ú thank you for all the work c-span does and i will just talk about the crazy issues going on across the united states. starting off with new yorkers, i live in new york and i lived in california and i lived in texas just off the bat, there is massive crime i don't care if you are a democrat, republican d states. what's really sad is the democrats and republicans

constantly fighting against each other and constantly campaigning against each other. smash and grab is real and stores are being decimated and when that happens, companies leave. so many and stores and huge -- host: i'm going to stop you know because the house has a brief pro forma session and then we will be back here on the other side. signed, mike johnson, speaker of the house of rresentatives. the speaker pro tempore: the prayer will be offered by chaplain kibben. chaplain kibben: would you pray with me. holy god, in these days when ion seems to overpower

cooperation, wn enmity appears to undermine am netty, we ask your forgiveness. open our hearts and aspire us -- inspire us to bless those sides against us. rather than cursing those who seem to persecute us at every turn, mayr part and pray your blessing on them. in this simple action may we see all our moments, the good and the t rewarding and the challenging, as opportunities to be faithful to and glorify you. as only you cannsform our inclination to take offense into motivation those with whom you have called us to live, work and serve. to your unmerited mercy we are your incomprehensible grace do we cling this day. and in your loving name we offer ourselves and our prayers. amen. the speaker temp to section 3-z of house resolution 5 the journal of the approved. the chair will lead the house in the pledge of allegiance.

i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america america and to the republic for which it stands, one nat all. the speaker's re-appointment pursuant to section 703 of the social security act 42 u.s.c. 903, and the order of the house of january 9, 2023, of individual on the part of the house to the social security advisory board for a term of six years.the clerk: ms. nancy ultman of bethesdapro tempore: the chair lays before the house aic the clerk: the honorable the speaker, house of reant to the permission granted in clause 2-h of rule 2 of the rules of the u.s. house of the representatives, the clerk received the following message from the secretary of the senate on june 20, 2024, at 4:26 p.m. that the senate agrees tohouse of

representatives' amendments to the bill, senate 870. that passed senate 1987te that the senate passed, without amendment, h.r. 12.ts, board of visitors of the u.s. coast guard academy signed sincerely kevin f. mccumber acting clerk. the speaker pro tempore: the chair lays before the house the following enrolled bill. the clerk: h.r. 2365 an act to direct the secretary of health and hum to carry out a national project torevent diagnose treat parkinson's, to be known as the national parkinson's project, and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to section 3-z of house resolution 5, the house stands adjourned until noon on tuesday june 2024, for mourning hour debate and 2:00 p.m. -- debate and 2:00 p.m. for legislative business.

host: we are back for the last hour of "washington journal" and the phones usual for democrats, republicans, and independents. we are in open forum, any issue you would like to talk about and i was your time and then in 10 minutes, a focus on the biden administration's immigration stick around for that discussion. taking your phone calls nan nette, has been waiting, thank you for hanging arnd. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have a few issues i would like to discuss. rights, the burden has been put on women for reproductive rights, and i cannot understand why they would like to take away birth control and everything, but they promote viagra for men, which increases the sexual desires for

reproduction. er two, i do not understand louisiana put on public display the king which i think is just a direction of people periods, if they follow the 10 commandments we would not have the problems we have today, and, number three, i do not know why everything that is put before the forum when call callers call in, they bring up trump or biden, or i don't know who. i think they would like to blame people and we need, as a society, tonite and take it upon ourselves to make these sind on the politicians. number four, the immigration policies, i agree that and vet

those who are coming in because of the recent surge in crimes and there are more that have been reported for immigrants, prisoners and mental patients that have come from other countries. never in my life have i ever seen such an influx of people on our border. this historian, maryland democrat. goodning. caller: happy friday. love c-span, by the way especially with the narratives br up, information is very important, and i'm concerned for the state of our democracy because when we talk about this land being an opportunity, we talk about the party of small government when th people what to do with their bodies and then on the other side of the party when we talk about the democrats, which i own we lift up this notio very -- in the last caller talked abohe 10

commandments contradiction based on the principle of us being the people are the people, but then why are we preaching this when these holy lands are bleeding as we speak including and we talk about the killinof palewhat i'm trying to say is we need to make sure we control our narrative. i'm a firm believer that if we would like our democracy to work, we need to vote and hold elected officials accountable and that is what we need to do an ever single accord. that is all i have to say, thank you. host: a few minutes left in open forum, a reminder that it is a supreme court decision day and we expect opinions after 10:00 a.2c eastern. it was a decision day yesterday and it was maybe not some of the most closely watched case is opinions came down," or, this got the most attention, the supreme court on thursday upheld a tax on foreign income that helps finance the cuts that president trump opposed in 2017, in a case that

many cautioned could undercut tax system. roberts and three liberals and a conferring opinion by amy coney barrett. for now, it avoids what many analysts and economists warn could be school chaos if the system had been struck d window into what could be the next major tax case that comes for th courts, whether congress can oppose attacks on americans, so, as president biden and other democrats are supposed to do in various forms. the new york times discussed that article, if you would like to read it. rtin, kentucky, good morning. caller: good morning. i think i can talk about three subjects, yesterday, we talked out american heroes, today supreme court decisions, and in 1968, how would only america when he stood in front of the

courthouse in louisville and said i will not go 10,000 miles away to fight for freedom when i did not have it in my own country. he cannot go to a school two from his house or half a block away fro in 1960 and he could not go to a privately owned amusement park and that park and cannot summon some info and in 1966, he was drafted to go to vietnam and fight for freedom and he said it was wrong, but he did not protest in thetreets, he fought it legally, and even though he lost a lot, he w court case and then eventually won back the american people. richard, pennsylvania in how are you doing today? host: i'm doinall right. caller: here we go, talking about the 10 commandments, they were written back then to show that man isinful and they cannot follow all of those rules. that is why jesus christ died on the cross so we could be

redeemed if we are sinners, and we are all sinners, you, me, everybody else. i would like to quote 20:32, the bible describes like god condemns humanity and consequences of rejecting god. and then it goes on to say that visible quality, such as eternal power and divine nature sees incursion," so people have no excuse not seeking god. e have ignored god and their hearts have hardened. people have god for images of mortal birds, and reptiles, andhas allowed humanity -- host: bring me to 2024. caller: which has led to further privity of man oruse me, for example, women have exchangednatural ones and men have given up natural passion for each other and in verse 32 -- host: people can continue to

read it in their own bibles. we are running out of time, janice, illinois, st. louis. caller: hello? host: go ahead. caller: how are you this morning. host: i'm doing all right, what is on yo i would like to talk about the 10 commandments. host:caller: a that versus thou shall have no other gods before me, which is the first commandment. it seems to me that the republicans are ignoring that commandment becae theymp, that is who they worship as their god. ththank you for listening. host: that is janice. to the yellow hammer state iris independent, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span, there are several things i would like to say but i will try to geto the basics. first of all, they do not want

to shut the border down, nobody does, the big is this is, that is who they use. there areof that is one thing. the other thing, [indiscernible] i work for company and [indiscernible] products coming from japan -- i mean, fromna and they pulled the labels off and they put made in the usa, and that is illegal -- that is legal. that is legal, but you think y'the united states, a lot of these placesn the usa, and if you would like to see what company it is, call me privately and i will tell you. host: our last caller in this

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guest: i am. i do not tell many people that, but, no, i m. host: and you worked with homeland security for one .5 years at the start of the biden administration. what did you i was a senior counselor to the homeland security secretary alejandra mayorkas. i was a seniorimmigration issues. host: why did you leave? guest: for a couple of reasons. one is that it is a 24/7 job and i have two daughters, and a very understanding husband, but they weren't more time for me, and my mom is getting up in years, and i needed to pay more make hard decisions to leave. to work in government, i had the very best job. host: several biden administration immigration policies this month in the form of executive action, viewers are available to look at them on the white house website, but what has been the most significant recent action on the immigration friend from the biden

administration? guest: great question. there has been a lot of it in the news. policy that apply to people who are married tohave been in the united states for 10 years. they are eligible to get a green card but mos surprised that you don't automatically get a green card just because you are married to a u.s. citizen so the biden administration announced thisd those qualifications, if you have been in the u.s. for 10 years, then you are lawfully married as of june 17, that you can begin the process to get your green card in the united states, removing bureaucratic obstacles that would require people who entered without papers, that they would have to leave the and then be able to come back in, and, surprisingly about half a million people have not gone forward with that process of leading the u.s., why haven't

they? because they make decisions like we all make, which there is a risk that they may not be able to come back in, so they would be leaving their family for an undetermined number of years months or days, and you don't know how long you might be outside the afraid that they will not be let back in, so with the biden administration announced is if you need those requirements, you have been here for 10 years, you are lawfully married, you go through a background check and make sure a person is eligible for a green cardocess here in the u.s. rather than having to leave the country, so it does not create a new benefit, this is something people would be eligible for -- streamlines the process. host: coming just a few weeks after the biden has made the asylum claim process harder to do, can you explain why? guest:r) share. there are a lot of pressures at the southern border, a lot of people who would like to come to the u.s., and many make the

claim for asylum, only some will be eligible ultimately to an asylum because it is a hard meet, so if the biden administration announces a pretty tough policy that says they needr of 2500 of people who are trying between a port of in, without papers and that they will be sent back because cannot process that many the biden administration is continuing to permit people at ports of entrye immigration officials, and they will be permitted, 1450 peopl day and they will still be able to come in, but the that for some of those people that they are sending no, we reached the

number that we can process, some of those people are going to be claiming serious will be persecuted they are vulnerable, conditions are not safe in mexico where they will be waiting, so there was the concern thatg some of the very people that we would otherwise want to be helping. host: in your mind, this includes fair policy and you have represented asylum-seekers. guest: it is a really tough policy. i will be honest. it speaks to -- it really does sp outdated immigration system that we have. we do not have strong infrastructure that we need at the border to be able to process people quickly. we have real changes coming to the u.s., many people think of a young man from mexico coming to work, and that used to be thepe of folks coming, but much more now, we have families, women.

and a lot of women who are in pretty horrible situations with their children, so it is heartbreaking to know that we will have to be sending some of those people because to be blunt, congress has not acted. it has not provided the resources to be able to update our ports of entry, to be able to update the border so it is sufficiently strong so we can screen people quickly, and people who are eligible i do need the come in and people who are not, that they go back, so we have to make a more blunt decision of pushing people back, and that does mean that some people will be harmed. host: during that possibility of a vote on a bartisan immigration bill, we heard president biden sayt he could not take unilateral action on the border. isn't that what executive orders are, taking unilateral action? guest: he is pushing the

envelope i taking this action. there is a limit to what you can do in the executive branch, and that is a we have three branches of government, so he is pushing the envelope. en a lawsuit that has been brought against this policy i described, the border policy. and we will see where the courts land on it. but it is, frankly, it is a reality that congress is very polarized it is not offering sensible solutions forward are not able to reach common ground and provide the executive branch the kinds of resources that it needs. the senate bill that you mentioned, it was a negotiated bipartisan, which is, you know, a rare thing these days. shame to see that it lacked, at the end of the day, republican support, even though it was something that

republican senators were calling for. it was not a generous and liberal bill, it was a tough bill, so i thinked, it is trying to secure the border and as thoroughly as it can while still being humanitarian, which is why there are people being admitted, and then when you juxtapose it and when you look atpolicies, the other when i described for people who do not have papers but are married to citizens, you see that it rlly is an effort to find a balanced approach. we are a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws. and for people who have been here many years who i think the average number is like 23 that we have people here without papers, they are married to a u.s. citizen, they have children, they have ties to the community, and we would like to find ways to offer those peoe opportunity because they are a part of our

community and to protect those families to ensure that they stay together, so the biden administration i always say it is doing a high wire act over the niagara falls with the wind blowing. it is tough. and it is certainly unde even if i would support all the policies, i would understand where they come from. host: you is a lawsuit brought on the asylum claim of executive is the american immigration lawyers association part of the lawsuit? guest: thatought by the aclu, american civil liberties union, and i do not know yet what my organization, whether or not we will join the lawsuit but we have issued an analysis of the asylum role, which you can find aila.org, but coming to come i don't believe we are part of the lawsuit. host: angela kelley, our guest and the topic is the biden administration's immigration policy, with us until 10:00 a.m.

eastern. phone lines, republi (202)-748-8001. democrats, (202)-748-8000. independent, (202)-748-8002. angela kelley, this is mike in line. go ahead. caller: i'm a republican transitioning to independent but i worked on two consultant companies in detroit before joining general motors and engineering, and some hewith and most of the people were from other parts of the world china, and isn't the flood -- maybe that isn't the right word -- but we wonder why are there more people going to stem? is because they play with the free market, by

bringing all the h1 reason, and if we had less h1 b's, maybe americans would go into the fields, so how does the government especially those decide what is coming in every year? guest: that is a great question and i experienced her real-world experience because we need people who have that kind of education, the high degree of talent in the stem field, and we are coming out of u.s. universities, so we have a program known by h one b, and there is always more of a demand for the number of visas that are available, and that is something there are protections in the law, and congress really needs to roll up the sleeves and modernize immigration laws.

and there are protections and ways so it doesn't disadvantage people already working. doesn't function the way it should all the time? probably not. do we need to update our laws? absolutely but announcementsek, and i would like to be sure that your viewers get the whole picture. the other thing that the president announced wisely is many people know about dreamers, undocumented folks that co children, and some of them have gone protection for the program that president obama as daca. the limitations of that program is that they are educated in the united states, they are as born here but they don't have a path to the green card, and if you are in a position, he graduated from a u.s. university, and you have

you can work in a country that you have lived your entire life, again, we are moving of at folder, removing an obstacle, rather than have to leave the u.s. to get that visa and risk not beenble om back in, they can do their processing in the u.s.. they will have to leave, but with the assurance they can come back in. why does that mabecause these are young people that we have educated, they speak english fluently, they are trained and ready to go, so having those kinds of folks doing the kinds of jobs that mike described, that makes more sense for the american people. we are still goinge talent from around the world. people would like to come to the country and we should embrace that. there have to be rules, but that is what makes us the tractive country on the planet. it is the genius of this nation. people come here as new americans and then they become

that is what we would like to keep doing, but we need to update immigration laws, and thats on congress. host: liverpool, new york, john democrat. good morning. you're on with angela kelley. caller: yes. i have a lot immigration especially when it considers older people. donald trump says one person gets in, 30 to follow, so one person gets in, and i object to the 32 who follow, especially the older people who never paid e the young people would like to bring their parents over, and never paid into the health care system. they're coming over, there older, they will be using the health care system, and they never paid in, you do not get in. if you don't buy a ticket, you don't get into the game, and people are coming into the country, and you go into any emergency room and you see illegals who have never paid into the system. host: we got your point, let me

let angela kelley respond. guest: sure. you know, i have to put a question mark over the assertion by former president trump as to the number of people who come in when one person comes in, it is actually true that the people who make the dangerous jou to the southern border tend to be younger, not older. but setting that aside, the point is that we would like to have people to be able to come legally with a visa. we would like to have legal pathways, or people to come to the u.s. to join close family members, to work the way the last caller indicated, and in some cases, if there are people fleeing persecution, then we should be a welcoming country for a number of refugees. that is the three legged stool gration system.

the last time there was a significant reform of our immigration law, where we looked at how many people do need really? it was in 1990. it was in 1990, so do the math. i was a much younger p so it is just bonkers that we have right now in place and immigration system, the numbers are set of how many people get to come in, and no matter what our economy needs, it is the same number every year, so it is out of step with what our country needs. to the caller's point, if a person comes your with or they are 25 or 85, they are not eligible for benefits. emergency were somebody gets hit by a bus, sure, they will get emergencyi don't think you can tell looking into an emergency room with her someone is herillegally or not, there is the very basic attention that people

will get, but beyond that, people are not eligible for federal benefits if they are here with no papers. akes a long time, and you have to become a green card holder because you have a family member, like a u.s. citizen, or you have an employer, before you begin to qualify for benefits. i understand the frustration about our overallealth care system, that's a different topic, but i do not want listeners and viewers to have the impression that we have a lot of elderly people coming in and not paying into the system. that does not align with what i understand about the numbers of people coming in and their age. host: as we are having the conversation, a conversation happens it is being abused beyond all recognition, that people always ruin things for good people. you talk about that used to work on asylum claims and people seeking us out, what are a couple of stories you remember from doing that? out to you the most? guest: before i worked with

asylum-seekers, i tattered women and children. a lot of my clients were recently arrived, immigrants typically from central america and i learned that i needed to understand their immigration case to help represent them so they would not be beaten anymore, and what i learned was that many were seeking asylum. traumatized. they were afraid to tell what kinds of persecution they had faced. i had one client i remember, and the reason was because in country, if you talk about who was after you, then they will find you, so you have to really have self protection and not talk about the violence you are enduring which is what leads many people to leave, and i had one young client, and we were on our way to the immigration court, i was driving with husband but a coworker, and she started from the back seat

talking about these men who broke into her house and they raped her. and they were government officials, and she had never told me thisas that she had to face persecution, and it was because of the government, the military, and how they were targeting her family. i believe her family were a family of journalists. theystory, and, now, she was in the lawyer, we were about the same age and she had not told me that, after many interviews and preparing our hearing. imagine being at the border, that same young woman, and having to tell a immigration officer that story. when you just arrived, and you have a child with you. i appreciate the tweet that you

read, yes, we cannot let everyone in. our asylum system is deeply challenged. we have long backlogs, we do not have e people. and we cannot do it alone. j9 improve our refugee processing, so we need congress to act, we have to reform our system, yes, we are a nation of laws, but we also have a warmer heart for pseeking persecution, and that is where i think we have to find the balance. we have not been able to find it because we don't have the resources. so i hope that your listeners and viewers understand that it is a complicated and we are both in need of border control, but we are also in need of human compassion. host: about 20 minutes left with angela kelley of the american immigration lawyers

association. guest, independent texas. caller: doing? host: well, what is your question or comment? i would like to know, how would you feel belong? host: would that more? caller: yeah, you know, america you say justice and freedom for all, what is going on in the border is not justice and freedom for all. why do we need of border? mexico should be part of the united states. it should be the united states of all this stuff about border, it is just a moneymaker, it is a money pit. why don't you use that money you use guarding the border to go ter criminals in mexico with the mexican police joining, try to make mexico like as, and instead of jobs to china, why don't we go to mexico -- host: that is gus in texas, a

few guest: thank you, gus. i appreciate that. i think what you are pointing to our the frustrations that we don't have a border that functions, at the level that it should. it is, i think fundamental to our nations sovereignty and we do get to decide who comes in and who doesn't come in, i think you are really swimming upstream to suggest we should not have borders, but i think why you are suggesting that is because you are concerned that our resources are not being targeted in the way they should be towards people who mean to do us harm, and this has done a better job than previous administrations on cracking down on fentanyl who are citizens but you are right that more can be done. we do have some dangerous elements i mexico, while, at the same time, they are our

largest trading partner, so it is a complicated situation, but here is what i think we need to do. i think we need to get -- just get really clear ride that we have to manager border better than what we are doing now although i do think we are on the right track, so we are able to offer ptection to those who deserve it, who can meet the criteria of the law. we need to update that law, as well. we need to manager border so we are confident about who is entering what they are bringing inwe need to manager border, recognizing that border communities, and you know if this is somne in texas, i've been to the border many times for people who lived there people go to mexico to go shopping, to get dental care, people come from mexico to the u.s. to go shopping at walma fluid and much more one community, and people there often do not understand what the

fuss is about. that spirit that i see so often in border communities, that needs to be reinforced by enough resources there so that we can bring people in and out, back and forth, and make our stronger so we can help our neighbors to the south so they don't have drug cartel problems they have, absolutely, and that clear right-thinking, i'm afraid is missing in congress. until people honestly turn their attention to whether you are a member of the democrats or republicans, findt tha update immigration laws and really just be the nation that we all deserve. host: do border walls work? guest: in some places where it is particularly treacherous, there are barriers that could be helpful. i noticed that when i was working in the governmentwhere it did make sense, both from the perspective of border patrol,

trying to guard dangerous terrain, and also from the perspective of many migrants who were brought here by smugglers who feed them a lo bs about being able to get them into the u.s. and then they put them in dangerous c that is why we see so many tragic deaths of people at the border. so yes, in some situati is not the answer, though. if we rely on a 20 foot wall, they we are going to get a 21 foot ladder, that people will create to go over the otherde, so it is a much more complex issue than that, and there are bad actors. there are smugglers barriers w n on, that use people's phones and social media , and they reach migrants and they say if you give me thousands, i will get you a

green card, across the bthose are the bad guys that we need to be cracking down o people like my old client, she does not pose a threat, but people who are smuggling folks in, bringing in guns, drugs yeah, those are truly the bad guys. so barbara and virginia, independent, good morning. caller: good morning. we have several family members who grew up in nazi germany. when they were emigrated, they were drafted into the army and sent to korea, but something their mothers had told them is do not bring any children into this evil world. there were many immigrants coming from perhaps not equally as people as nazi germany was but i wonder if anywomen who were coming in with

children or couples, husbands and wives coming with children, would be willing to give up was the possibility of having more ch give the children they alreadye, would they be willing to come to this country? would they be accepted into this country easier if they guaranteed that they did not have any more children? host: are you talking sterilization? caller: host: angela kelley, your thoughts? gu yeah, barbara, i do not seet as being a policy that our government -- that that would be wise. let me leave it at that. you know, there is a lot to be said our right to protect the integrity of your body and make those decisions for

yourself, but i think what you are pointing to is a question about the folks who are coming here. i can tell you based on the experience that many of us observed of people arriving in new york chicago and other places that they are hungry to work, they are hungry to work, and they know that they don't ligibility for benefits, and that they would like to support the family they already have. women tend to be pretty smart about these things because we are ultimately the ones who bear the responsibility, and, so, i think that the wiser course might be to ensure that people who are qualified to come to this country that we give them a fair day in court to assess their case, let's make sure they get work authorizations to support themselves and the family they already have, and we should consider are there parts of the country where we need workers? e so many programs that people don't know about like in

topeka, kansth people to come to topeka, if you are here illegally, they a work authorization because they are so desperate for workers so what i think of people coming to the country, -- look, with of my parents came to this country years ago, they had me here, and their motivation was to provide a better life for me and for my brother and sister. at was back in the 1960's, that is still the that animates immigrants coming today. host: to the bluegrass state gary republican. good morning. caller: morning. -'host: what is your question or comment as you turn your television down, it is easier to hear you that way. caller: yeah, give me just a second. ok. i had a reminder yesterday, donald trump pretty mucht

settled, joe biden is the one who ended all that. i think this lady is a member of the biden protection program, thank you. host: angela kelley? guest'm sorry you feel that way. i'm trying to give you my best analysis, working in the fields for many years. i understand the frustration. i don't think that former presidenrump actually ever found a sweet spot on immigration. his philosophy was, and is, to deport people, to round them up and put them in detention centers. to say that is going to be disruptive to our country is an understatement. and to shut the border, to shove people out and not let anybody in. i don't think those are workable policies and i don't think that is who the country is. i think this administration has struggled, and i think anybody would agree to that, with this issue because it is a hard one, but it has been a hard one for many decades, and it is a

issue whether you have a d or r and what is more sensible is defined common ground and we do need a certain number of people in the united states, and that is a good thing are coming because they really need protection, and that is not going to be everybody, it should not be everybody, but to shut us mpletely off and to kick people out who have been here an years that is not a business country lucy, new york. caller: you say you have been at this for a long time and you are knowledgeable, but you are giving misleading information they do federal benefits, they get emergency medicaid, and they use the hospital as their primary care, and they also getompensation, if you work one day, you are entitled e illegal, and what happens is they slip and fall on construction sites, and there is a complaint now calledwhere mosetcards,

they stage falls, and doctors were in wthem, and worker's comp. paid out three times as much as they usually pay and it just went unnoticed, so they are not here to work, like you say, they are here to pull tricks and get government forces. host: angela kelley? lucy, i'm sorry that we have a different point of view, i did say that undocumented people are entitled to emergency medical care, so i agree with you, and i appreciate the experience you have had. as for the workmen's comp., i believe that is also state law so they vary by state, and i also believe that, you know, look, if there is fraud, if there is a crime being

committed, then that needs to beosecuted 100%, and if it is a crime, and it prosecuted and people serve their time in jail, if that is what the sentences, and they are removable, they should bebut i would not extrapolate and say therefore that is everybody because admittedly awful experiences you have observed, i don't want that happening either, but i would not baseolicy based on that one example. that does not make sense either. so that would be my observation that everybody needs to follow also have laws that need to be updated, i think administration is doing as good a jobo could do even better trying to balance what we need as a nation of laws and immigrants. host: you have been at this have five minutes left, you have calledto get involved here and to pass a law. happen anytime soon, if you are in charge of border policy today and you could institute policy,

e executive action you would push for or what would be the change you would make today that you think would make a difference? guest: oneng i would do is pull the camera back and i would not make it just about the ok at the system more holistically because the reason that we have pressure at the border is because we lack legal pathways for people to come in so that they are coming in with a not a smuggler, so i would begin with the assessment of, we have labor shortages in different parts of the country is it possible to let us create some worker visa programs so people are coming to these parts of the country and doing the jobs that we need backlogs that families are stuck in, the announcement in show, that the administration removed barriers, i would do more of that and what people are doing to be with their parents, to be with their spouses, that makes for stronger family, that makes

for stronger community. i would also say that people who are coming to apply for our laws are outdated, it is vigorous. i would want to update them, but even without that, we should have speedy process. that is fair, that is fast and final, so people have a chance to make their case and they have a fair shot, and for people who cannot do, they will have to be removed. i mean, to me, that is like the bigger picture, it is really what i think works for the benefit of our countryand it would enrich it, and we would not have undocumented workers that are exploited and that are paid less, and that is not good for any american worker. so those measures that i would take. host: i will try to get one more call quickly before our program ends. john, new york, can you make it quick? caller: i think your argument

has more holes than a piece of swiss cheese, but whatrious about is do you call them yourlawyers have chargprices, so what do you charge per hour for your immigrants, do they pay you, the bill, your invoice or who pays the invoice for your time? i know you're not doing this out of the goodness of your heart for free because you are talking how much money these cartels are making -- host: they got your question about two minutes. guest: john, sorry to disappoint you, i do not practice immigration law any longer, when i did, i worked at the legal aid offii about $20,000 a year, i have been in the nonprofit world my entire career, so andor in government which does not pay very much, to my family chagrin, so there is no financial motive, is what i'm saying. we have outstanding attorneys

that are pt of immigration bar, they provide service, anat a client can pay, and there are some ctsli can pay a lot and then there are some like the clients i described you cannot pay as much. in my experience, most lawyers are trying to meet the clients where they are. host: angela kelley, senior advisor of the american immigration lawyers association aila.org if you would like to check them out online. we appreciate your time this morning on "washington journal." guest: thank you. i really enjoyed it. host: that will do it for our program today. a reminder of the supreme court decisions that are expected to come down in a few minutes after 10:00 a.m. eastern, and it is usually minutes after one we learn on what decisions are given on any decision day. that is a view of the supreme court. we will see you tomorrow morng 4:00 a.m. "washington journal pacific on "washington journal." ♪ -- 4:00 a.m. eastern on "washington journal."

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the supreme court rulings on c-span. from the largest newspaper in the state of louisiana. jeff landry signs 10 commandmento louisiana law. a lawsuit is already brewing[video clip] >> this bill mandates the display of the 10 commandments in every classroom in public, elementary secondary po louisiana. [applause] because, if you want to respect the rule of law you have to start from the original law 50 given, which was moses. that's right. he got his commandments from host: louisiana. usa today this morning with a few more details about what is actually in that legislation mandating the display of the 10 commandments on large

poster-sized pieces of paper in every7i classroom in every state-funded university starting in 2025. the text describes the 10 commandments" its historical role saying that including the 10 commandments in the education of our children is part of their state and national history, culture, a noted, as you noted a lawsuit is already in the works. one of those objecting to this new l the american civil liberties union of louisiana. a seie t denomination or tradition. the government should not take sides in the theological debate uld not be coercing students to submit day in and day out to unavoidable promotions of religious doctrine. that statement coming this week from the aclu of louisiana. we this morning on this new law in louisiana. if you support it, (202) 748-8000. if you oppose it, (202) 748-8001 . a special line for louisiana residents, we would particularly

like to hear from parents of students in louisiana, (202) 748-8002. we will start in the buckeye state with linda. good morning on the those who support the new law. caller: yes, good morni. i don't understand what there is to oppose. i don't think it has anything necessarily to do just with the various religions. thou steal or kill. those are all things we should be living by serve or if we serve a god or not. i don't think it matters what god you serve or don't serve.yououldn't be breaking laws anyway. that is all the 10 commandments are. the laws of the land agree with it. host: linda, pennsylvania. carl in washington pennsylvania. good morning. i have a suggestion for the why not post the constitution in each classroom in louisiana

rather than the 10 commandments? nation. we are based on the separation of church and state. ok? host: what do you think happens with this law? we noted lawsuits are already in the works. caller: dust. we have such a crooked supreme court they will rule in favor of anything, but we are not a christian nation. we are jewish. we are hindu. we are buddhist. we are people of all diffe our constitution is based on the separati church and state. i am a christian but i can automatically tell you we are not a christian nation. we are diverse. i will vote for joe for president in november. host: staying in pennsylvania, kurt in mount union. caller: yes, good morning. host: what you louisiana?

it takes place january 1 2025. is ok. i think the 10 commandments exhibit the foundation of a society of a civilized society. theyically the foundational laws of a civilized society. church and stateort of the state. but the state can't exist without the support of the church. host: delve into that more for me kurt. caller: i mean, even if there is no state or no government, there will be faith. there will be faith among the ople. that is what forms the government. he not exist, it doesn't wipe out the faith. if you wipe out the faith, the government will be nex that is current in mount union. gainesville, florida, good morning. caller: good morning. yes, i absolutely oppose that.

i think it's wrong. i think it's a form of idolatry. i will tell you something else. none of those people who were sitting believe in keeping the sabbath holy. if they believed that they would not be promoting what they are promoting. host: tim let me ask youthis is from mike peterson, a state representative in utah. he proposed a similar 10 commandments bill in public school classrooms in utah and later changed that to a bill that would allow the 10 commandments and other documents to be taught in public schools. op-ed in the desiree news and i want to getie