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some skepticism have spent expressed. we are showing thert the program, we ask if social media should have warning labels for teams. if you say yes, that it should (202) 748-8000. tell us why. if you say it is not needed, (202) 748-8001. if you're not sure, (202) 748-8002. you can also text us at (202) and you can also post on our social media sites on facebook and on our x feed. in recent op-ed, the surgeon general made these thoughts. here is part of his argument. the mental health crisis among young people social media is an important contributor. adolescents w than three hours a day on social media doubled the risk of

anxiety symptoms. as of the summer of 2023, the average usage for this age group was 4.3 hours. nearly half of adolescence say social media makes them feel worse about their body. he says it is time to require a warning label platforms saying social media is associated with significant mental healtadolescents. the warning label would adolescents that social media has not been proved safe. tobacco studies show warning labels can increase awareness and change behavior. when asked if a warning label would prompt them to monitor ple in one recent survey said yes. we will show you more from the surgeon general's argument and ask you to start of the program th with the idea of a warning label for teens on social media platforms and if congress should go about that. if you say yes, (202) 748-8000. if you say no, (202) 748-8001. if you are not sure, (202)

748-8002. you can always text us 748-8003. you can post on facebook and on x. in recent days, the surgeon general about the thoughts you may shall he made in his op-edbo a warning labels for teenagers. here is part of his argument from the festival. [video clip] >> if i told you that the car seat your child has been using or the car you're thinking of purchasing that your adolescent turning 15 or 16, that there were a couple cases where it was found that a child had a severe health life in that car or in that car seat, you would say, wait, wait, wait, we have to look into this. that is what we do as a society. earlier this year, a door came off of a boeing plane, and we grounded hun flights hundreds of planes, rather.tw from

wisteria products, and we pulled countless numbers of dairy products off the shelveens.yet, we have hundreds, if not more, stories oueople who have engaged in self-harm and taken there life after they were bullied and extorted on social media platforms, and are proceeding as if it is business as usual, nothing to see here. think what is interesting and deeply concerning to me is that we have health risks to exist harm to our kids and we have not done much about it. host: more available at the aspen ideas festival, the surgeon general calling for social media warning labels for teens. you can find that online at c-span.org. and you can give us your thoughts whether you agree say yes, social media 748-8000. if you say no, (202) 748-8001. if you are not sure, (202) 748-8002. several legto couple,

have posted those thoughts on general's thoughts, saying the aired with senator brian schatz in my bipartisan legislation to keep socialre on link safety bill to stop social mediaonanda al health, they warning label, just like other public alths, like tobacco and alcohol. an author with the r street institute, a recent op-ed of his, and response to the remarks, headl benefits? the answer is a resounding no. the government does poorly at distinguishing between large and small risks, so most levels are of liberal -- little value. murthy' idea might have the opposite results of what is intended with people shrugging off or even mocking the warning. we want to get your thoughts. yes, no, not sure. yes, (202) 748-8000. no, (202) 748-8001. in wisconsin, jamie uryou are first.

caller: good morning. i am an avid social media user, and from my experience being on social media for as long as i can remember, i think that i truly believe that it is not the responsibility of the social media platform and the people behind them to parent the people who are on them the responsibility of either the person themselves or any sort of guardian, parent, whatever to make sure they are using it an amount that it is not a detriment to their health. this bill, the cosa feel -- it could not be less of a cry to protect the children, because if you read some of the legislation that is in therelready talks about like, i read some sections about

restricting type concert from children and that type of -- lgbt type of content from children and that type of stuff. host: then why take the responsibility off of social media platforms themselves? caller: well, how can theyreally -- i am here sorry, i just do like it is their responsibility to parent the people who are oni feel like it is a tool for people to use, and they should apply their own real-life experience to what they do. i apologize for being kind of hard to explain. host: that is ok, got your thought. we will hear from boston, also on our no line. caller: you for taking my call. view is a little obvious for a libertarian.

this is a resounding no. it is nanny stating at its most insane. i do not think that warning labels generly do much to deter people from trying things that are a little risky. we see the warning labels on i do not see those as the reason people si think it is just that the younger generation think it is gross. what vivek murthy and a lot of other people in the biden administration needunderstand everything is not an opportunity for them to jump all over people's civil liberties and it is likely no better than others. as far social is concerned, i do not know what a warning label is goingyoung people already know what facebook is and what twitter what, i am not going to use twitter now because there is this is a huge waste of everybody's time, another example of nanny staters in the democratic party and the biden administration getting on their high they know

better than other people. they are just going get didactic until everybody else what they should and should not do. host: let me ask what do you think about this idea that the surgeon general says aborelations as far as social mediapotential harm there. do you think those exist? caller they definitely are present, in essence. but here -- in a sense. vivek murthy was referring to bullying and high suicide rateslative to the more toxic parts of social media. i is on for social media platforms to release that kind of behavior. i think it is up to parents and individuals, people around cyber bullies, to be able to pick up on these things on their own take personal responsibility, and do parenting. so they see something wrong happening on social media, it is the responsibility of the rents, the families, and the kids around the cyber bullying look, you really hurt this kid can you just knock it off and be nice for once? host: gotcha.

this is tiffany. we set aside a line for those who may not be sure. you can express those thoughts. tiffany in vir line. hi. caller: hi. i was thinking that when it comes to warning it is going to make the teens or whoever is looking more curious about what is behind that label. a lot of the abuse -- i won'tlot, but i know it happens sometimes we're it is something instance, where you have a young teen who wants to look a certain way and they pretty muchd just following regular, instagram or whatever and depending on that individual's mental state or their personality, i guess it

depends on the individual. i like, warning labels -- i think it should be more of the teens being able to reach out for help when they needed. i think there should be more advertis. because if it is something kids can see, they are going to try to see it. it does not matter. ot matter how bad it is or if it is even about them or if they can relate or not or whatever. but the idea is ok, i'm just not sure if it will really help. think they need more outlets or something. host: gotcha.

i totally get tiffany calling in from virginia on the not sure line. that is available to you, too. we have divided it. yes, if you agree with this ideahese labels on social media for teens if you say no, (202) 748-8001. or like tiffany, not sure, (202) 748-8002. on our yes line, this is frank in new york. caller: good morning. rather than a warn label, i think they should actually disclose their business model different from say a fee for a because their business model is based on getting the likes getting them to click the likes and then what they do is they advertise. it is the advertisers, that is

how they make their money, these platforms. realize this but there are algorithms that are tracking what people are doing, teenagers and adults myself included. i recently stopped using facebook because i noticed that it was really kind of depressing me because all kinds of people i went on this vacation or i am of money or whatever, all positive stuff which is not real altogether true. you do not know what is happening behind the scenes. so i warning is just bare minimum. more than that i think would be to disclose and get the young and adult people to understand what their business model is. there is a book that is out called your social media accounts. i just read this book, and that is partly rehy i stopped using facebook.

i think it is a big, big issue. it is not like years ago when advertisers had the television or whatever and there was no way for them to track the individual. even back then, they were manipulating us. host: ok. that is frank in new york. brings up facebook. it was earlier this year that social media companies testified before congress on various things meta ceo appearing, mark zuckerberg arguing about the safety of their pout form -- their platform. here's part of that from january. [video clip] every day teens and y do amazing things on our services using apps, expressg themselves, feeling more connected. overall, they tell us this is a positive part of their lives but some faced challenges online so we work to provide parents and teens support and controls to reduce potential harms.

being a parent is one of the hardest jobs in the world. technology gives us new ways to communicate with our kids and feel connected to their live but it can also make parenting more complicated. it is important to me that our services are positive for everyone who uses them. we are on the sidehere working her to raise their kids. over the last eight years, more than 30 tools, resources for parents to how much time teens are using the apps, who they are following, or if they report someone for bullying. for teens, they get nudges if they have been on for a while or it is getting late and they need to sleep. we put special restrictions on instagram. under 16 accounts to private, have restrictive content settings, and the with so much of our lives spent on mobile devices and social media, it is important to look into the effects on teen mental well-being. i take this very seriously. mental health is aissue, and the existing body of scientific work has not shown a

causal link between using social media and young people having worse mental healthut recent national academies of science over 300 studies and found that did not support the conclusion that social media causes changes adolescent mental health. itd that social media can provide significant positive benefits when it to express themselves, explore and connect with others. still, we will continue to monitor the research and use it to inform our roadmap. host: back in january. you can find it online at c-span.org if you want to hear more of those thoughts. let's hear from joy on our no line west virginia. caller: yes, good mori think parents need to gothe surgeon have to be involved in what is good and bad for your child.

we had television when i grew up. i was born in the 1950'y-s, grew up in the 1960's and 19 70's we watched television, then we went outside and played. we were not mesmerized by television the way kids nowadays are, they are mesmerized by social media. the parents should -- unless you are on the computer to do homework, then that is it. no computer time, therefore no time on the computer, no ti to do homework. host: ok, virginia. this is brad from facebook. idea of warning labels for teens on social media, ll know how ngs ab disinformation about elections science, harassment, and fraud are all rampant. on our yes line, teresa in connecticut. you are next.

caller: hello? host: go ahead. caller: ok, i have one thing to say. i am aub and the democrats are trying to destroy the next generation. children and grown-ups. their own is not going to be in this world. that is all i have to say. host: how does that relate to the idea of social media platforms and teens and war? caller: let me tell you, social media, i seeeople walking with cell phones on the street, kids, they're hypnotized. is what the world is becoming. president biden is t host: ok. we will go to al in california on our not sure line. caller: good morning. i wanted to call in and say hello to c-span and let you know that i like that kids, grade six through 12 a function we are running on civics class, and i

am a veteran of foreign wars, and the reason i said not sure is because it takes a lot to control social media platforms and get kids involved in civit is important that we have multiple outlets. and i have been in the united states army in the late 1980's and early 1990's before we had this i was around when c-span was formed in 1979. so it is very controls and can keep kids involved in c-span, civics, six through 12, and take care of things and make sure that they don't get with the wrong people, whether they are gam into c-span. we got to stop ming everything up. host: expand your thought when you said this idea of controls, why not apply those controls to

deplatforms themselves? caller: well, we should. it takes more than just parents and media outlets and military and united states army, it takes a conceed effdifferent platforms. host: al there in -- caller: that is why i am unsurei really like the c-span contest you have going that is due in january. host: oh, ok, i think our media contest for teenagers and creating a documentary. vivek murthy from his opposite rights this, the rest of society can play a role, too but we free, create phone free zones around bedtime, meals, and social gatherings safeguard your kids sleep and real-life connections, both whichdirect effects on mental health. we should wait until middle

school to allo social media. parents can work together with families to establish rulests are alone or feel guilty. young people can build off efforts to support one another in reforming the relationship media and navigating online environments safely. that is the surgeon general making a call for a platform -- when it comes to platforms label particularly when it applies to adolescents. getting your thoughts on this idea of the surgeon general, if you with it. if you say it is needed, yes (202) 748-8000.re not sure, (202) 748-8002. this is robert in tampa florida, on our noo line. caller: good morning. quickly, i wanted to i am not totally against it, but i am thinking about the effect of what they are trying to do.

i think more kids will just go to it because it says not to go to it. you tell a kid know these days they do the opposite. i think they need to have something else to do and get more involved with school, stuff like that. think it would do the opposite of what they're trying to d to what degree do you caller: i think they have something to do with it, it is their platform, they are responsible for it. they put it out there and pay for it, so they have something to do with it. at least monitor it or something. as far as saying, like you put on cigarettes.6 or whatever just don't do it, i think it will have the opposite effect on kids. they won't go out there and not do it just because you tell them not to do it. host: this is a viewer from x re arock

lyrics so they put warnings on needs to make it easier to report and block someone. xds to take seriously the dangers that the platform holds. ja x saying warning labels like stickers previously referenced he goes on to say this seems like gatekeeping. social media available to you, too. one more thought from the surgeon genera issue from the aspen ideas festival just recently. [v>> in our world, we try to start with listening. in almost every conversation wihealth, they bring up social media. they readily acknowledge some of the benefits, seeing friends, expressing themselves, finding things they do not find in person, but if you listen closely enoughnd talk to them long enough, they will acknowledge that there are real harms they are worried about. many say when they are on social

media, they e up feeling worse about themselves and they compare themselves to other people. interestingly, they said they often feel worse about their frie things without them and feel left out. one of the disturbing thinks they say that is quite chilling is that they cannot get off the platforms, even though they want to. it is not because today are born with a deficit of willpower, they have just as much as prior generations, but their environment is different. platforms have been instructed to maximize the time young people spend on them, and they have some of the most talented product en and are supported by some of the most well resourced companies in the world, and think about that, asking a child whose brain is still developing, a sensitive time of brain development, when you are more sensitive to social suggestion comparison and you have not fully developed impulse control and you were telling the child

you should be able to get off of this whenever you want. it is an utterly unreasonable peyoung people to feel a sense of shame and guilt that they are somehow not doing what they should be doing. host: that is the surgeon general. 3k]iy congress is considering age restrictions, creating platforms. there are also antitrust rules that will not improve safety but will hollow our innovative industry. i can see the surgeoney l waters. that is from the american on the 20th of this month. a couple more of yourthis is john in pennsylvania on our no line when it comes to the idea of warning labels on social media. caller: i have an answer for that social mediasecurity number is another social security number. they should have a list. it should not be up to the

parents or intelligence, whatever it is, should not be up to the guy you had on there in the military uniform. when a kid wants to getnline with social media, their social security number should be needed. if he is younger than 16, bounce him out ofww there. if they want to meet girls, tell them to puckerthey will get mono host: another call in massacs on our no line. caller: goodng. on facebook, i am not sure on this. host: i can barely hear you. you sound very hollow. can you get closer to your handset device, please? caller: understood. host: that is better. caller: i am not sure as to whether they should or should not, but it does raise a concern in me with the fact that it

that there is entirely too much ignorance in this world and people get offended when you use the word ignorance but that just means you do not know. and when you do know, you are no longer ignorant. but if you are going to make decisions based upon ignorance, then at that point it can morph into stupidity for which there is no fix. host: how does that apply to this idea of a w the warning label is meaning that there i an abdication of responsibility to all, and then to the children to be informed with what -- with how impactful the soci be. but if we constantly spoonfeed people, create warnings, create gs that are dumb larger

society. host: in orlando, florida on our yes line. caller: thank you for taking my call and thanks to c-spaything that you all do. whatever we can do with the kids i am all for it, you know? as a matter ofus, as adults, are pretty much property with know, and this is op, you have to disable that. warnings for the kids, absolutely. host: one more call, this one from carol in arkansas on our no line. caller: good morning to everyone. for me, it starts atwhen you raise your children,and my parents when i was being raised, we were taught that none of this even mattered, thatee g

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her three yes from now, we all know this. what happened in lower manhattan was to interfere with an election which is why speaker johnson, myself includedmany americans believe the supreme court should step into this matter. host: that was some of his concern over some legal issues concerning the decision. what do you make of the bad. if ira with in new york, either byron donalds can't read or byron donalds is lying. given his views on jim crow, mayb he thinks it is bad for him to tell people that he knows how to read, but if he knows how to read, he could have read the indictment and seen exactly what trump was charged with. falsifying business records for the purpose of campaign-finance falsifying business records is a state crime.but for the purposes of campaign-finance fraud it is a felony. that is what trump is charged with. that is what trump was convicted with by a jury of his peers. now, the issue of whether or not

court is to weigh in hisicans who in every other situationralism. they like to tell me about states rights. byron donalds would say states rights are so important. we have a states rights situation where new york state's applying new york state laws to a new york state defendant. all of a sudden because he doesn't like new york state laws or what happened to his particular new york state attendant, now he wants the federal government to come in over the top and overrule in any other situation a republican would say that shouldn't happen. so once again republicans are trying to have it both ways. they want one set of rules for donald trump and his cabal and one set of rules for everybody else. and given byron donalds' histor y and position he might be comfortablethat has one set of rules for rich white people and one set of rules for every eli'm not comfortable with that. i don't thinkand that is not a country

that i nt to live in, let's put it like that. the new york state case is an example of what republicans usuall say is supposed to happen. host: this is elie miysal. republican line, your next up. caller: yeah, thanks for taking my call. regarding talking about the supreme court reeve against the ruling with the consumer protection agency where they said they didn't need to get their funding through congress? alito and thomas, are you saying they should control their wives better? guest:i'm saying alito and thomas and if you can't understand the difference between whether or not your wife is going to fly a flag supporting the insurrect tell the difference between allowing that to happen vs. telling wom are forced to bring a pregnancy to term against their will forn't tell

that difference, i don't know how to help you, sir. no ev decision, i if you actually read the reasoning, i thought that that was accurate. i think there was a really important split between the conservative reasoning and liberal reasoning. the conservatives, thomas did his usual original thing and kind of used h board and found some weather from thomas jefferson and james madison about how congress can fund them in that way. th conclusion said that we don't have to go back to 1787 to find that because the history and tradition of congress funding executive agencies is so clear that of course congress can the way that it did. i'm not saying that every single case the supreme court is wrong. i'm not saying single case the supreme court decide that i disagree with is wrong. what i'm saying is that the

supreme court itself is corrupt and that is based on reporting at this point. i'm saying there are extremists, and i'm saying they hold power that nobody elected them to hold, yet they hold it over us over political branches and over the will of the, and that should and must be stopped for this country to move forward. host: you were talking about the code of ethics and the democrats at the capital trying to do that by various means. to what degree is there a separation of powers issue? guest: the supreme court john there is a new separation of powers issue, that the only people i tarnish the supreme court the supreme court. i believe john roberts is wrong on the -- on the face of the constitution which says article three is an article that says thereupreme court, but congress will set up

that court and congress will decide what that court can do. he supreme court justices have to be appointed forife, so that is why we can have term limits as a legislative manner. that is why term limits have to come through either senior status or some kind of constitutional amendment. but it says judges, nothing about how they are funded. soose powers to vault -- default to congress.i'm just asking congress to use its pos opposed to rolling over and playing dead every time the supreme court stuns around and takes women's rights. host: there are other cases to be considered still, emergency abortion in one of those federal agency power. we saw the court act when it comes to the abortion pill recently, what is this latest concerning emergency abortion? guest: it is a rule in idaho that was passed in the wake of dodd and the wake of roe v. wade that basically said women should

not receive medical care if that medical care of results in abortion, unless they are almost dying. now, how we determine nearly dead -- if you've ever tried to call your insurance company and explained to them why you need a procedure or why you need a drug, you know that that is difficult. now imagine trying to explain to bream that you are so sick that you need an abortion in the statement doesn't want to give you anwhat has been happening in idaho is that women have been critically and since that law was passed earlier this spring, six women have had to be airlifted out of idaho into other states to receive medical care that they couldin idaho. so there is a federal law. the federal law says that if somebody goes to the emergency room, you have to treat them which should be a basic tenant of american law. you have to treat sick people who are in danger of dying. idaho says no, no. we shouldn't have to.

so there is a conflict between idaho's law and the fe law and the supreme court we are waiting for a supreme court dei fear that the republirvatives on the supreme court will once again side with idaho and essentially let women die. what the right wing has become comfortable with. the idea that women should just die because of what the republicans belve iof abortion. that is where we are. host: new york, independent line. caller: i think the democrats -- the democrats dropped the ballwhen ginsberg did not retire before she passed away. and then mcconnell not allowing president obama ticket is picked. elie can you explain to me why are the democrats not focused on the supreme court or judges in general, why are they notthese federal

judges have a lot of say in what our country is going to be. and then you have a radical like trump who may win the election, put more nut conservatives on could you please explain? guest:in why the democrats care. i want to be necessary.the best i can offer is two explanations. one i've already kinda suggested. the voters don't hold the democrats accountable. republican vll punish republican candidates in republican primaries who are eme court. democratic voters in democratic primaries punish democratic candidates who are weak on the supreme court. are responding to that voter accuracy. that is one reason why the democrats always dropped the ball. the second reason is it is kind of the liberal sensibility.

liberals like to think about the power of the people and it is all about the votes. liberals have a bit of a messiah complex. will fix everything because he is so great and i voted for joe biden so everything is going to be ok. focused on the structural issues, right? is the liberal who shows up every four years, but not every two years. ery year. drop in liberal turnout it with the two years after obama was elected, 2010 82014. turn just went off a cliff. and what happened when turnout went off a cliff? mitch mcconnell accrued our independence. it democrats a turnup in 2015 and kept mitch mcconnell from running the senate, then when antonin scalia h obama would have been able to name a replacement.

but mcconnell had all the power. so that kind of struct giving liberals two votes, getting democts to vote not just every four years but at least every two years and the every year and get them focused on the supreme court as the thing that matters that is what republicans again have ccessfully sold to their voters. republicans for a generation would say i would love to do something about abortion but the supreme court, if only i controlled the supreme court. otect your guns. republicans made that one-to-one connection for their voters all the time. democrats even now even in the wake of roe v. wade, even in the wake of losing abortion rights what the democrats say we are going to restore roe we argoing to pass a national abortion rights law. great, that is a law the supreme before breakfast. you are not going to have control the supreme court. you are not going to have gun regulations if you don't control

the supreme court. you are not going to have environmental regulations if you don't control the supreme court. and that ileaders make anso we lose.and so my side loses. host:roy is up next. caller:truly commend your guest for his honesty when he said he wouldn't have a job and i truly believe that. but there'three th wanted to address. first of all why did biden l president? he truly lied, he did not speak the whole statement that trump said. also when we talk aboumoney, there were $70 million paid by congress for hush money to different staff workers. the election. a lot about hunter biden's laptop. why haven't they been brought up on charges?

nted to say this. democrats than several elections. election, several congressmen -- guest: at the democrats challenged every election with guns? host: let him finish and then we will get your response. caller:i'm trying to say there were several congressmen and who said they were challenging the election and so what happened is that washington knew that that challenge is going to be legitimate. they could not allow that to go through, so they started this whole january 6 thing and they were very successful because the challenge did not go through because of the insurrection that they sed you. guest: oh my god, jet fuel can't melt steel -- what the heck is

that man talking about? i don't know. the democrats did not start the january 6 terrorist insurrection act the capol. no, the democrats have objected to certain election procedures but they haven't tried to overthrow the results of the election. forth a state of fake electorates to try to combat real electors. no the democrats have never tried to hang the vice president for his refusal to abandon the constitution in his ceremonial to sarah -- certify the votes. i don't know what else to say. . me you're going to listen to whatever listening to in that kind of part of the brain rot. you can't reach those people.

what i would say for people as annoyed by that man as i am, that is the name you've got to remember when you are trying to go out to vote and you are figuring out if you are going to when you are going to get your friends and your colle to care about the process. that if the guy you're fighting out there. the only way to fight him is by showing up at the polls in november. host: social media cases, could what the court says. honestly, i don't know. it's almost liberating for me to not know what the court is going there are complicated issues about the first amendment when it comes to social media cases for public officials. on the one hand, we have very strong first amendment protections saying that you can say whatever you want and this prot strongest when you're talking to public officials. one of the things that america is that i can go up to my mayor

or my congress and or my president and i can yell at that person peacefully, but i can scream because of the first can i scream at them on facebook or twitter? if they blocked me on twitter as a publicdiminishing my first amendment right? uestion. on the other hand if you a public official, if there any space for you to be on social media? if you're a public official you got your public official website presence or whatever, but you also have your tiktok feet where you post videos of yourtwo things now the same? if you block people who are being mean to your dog, are you violating their first amendment rightsthat is with these cases are about and know what the is going to decide. the fact that it has taken this long for them to decide means i think it is going to be an interesting opinion with a lot of concurrences and a lot of

different legal reasoning. i'm eager to see what they say. i don't know the answer to that. host: republican attorneys general of missouri and louisiana said they complained that online platforms such as facebook suppress their views about vaccine and lockdowns. the wall street journal says lower courts have likely sided with the plaintiff, amounting to government coercion. guest: that question is really -- as much as i dislike disinformation and misinformation and all that, the question is who gets to decide what disinformation and misinformation is? is it twitter, is it elon musk? i don't know if i want to live in that world either. social media cases, as much as i think it is a position that you should be able to -- disinformation is odious, i'm not sure who gets to decide what is odious.

clearly it can't be the government. the government cannot tell you that is odious, that is not. that is not the proper function government. but i'm not sure it is the proper functionf -- either. see what the supreme court does. host:. caller: yes, i just want to put out a thought that i have. i think that the supreme court be mandated to say there is nine right now, there should be three democrats, three republicans and three independents at all times and i don't careent is, i think that if there is someo that backs out or passes away, if i democrat goes in that spot and i think that will help immensely. guest: that is very similar to pete buttigieg's plan. pete buttigieg is a proponent of a plan that we call 5-5-5.

there are two critical problems with the plan. one, definin is liberal conservative and independent is extremely hard. especially when we deal with people who are appointed for life. people might think that a justice like anthony kennedy was independent because he tended to be a swing voter. sometimes he was liberal sometimes conservative. but anthony kennedy was not independent. anthony he was just an extremist for the first amenme views on the first amendment but sometimes he would side with corporate rights like in citizens united. do we call anthony kennedy independent or do we call him an extremist certain issues? similarly for democrats, you have stephen breyer.liberal, you could callndependent type when it came to corporate rights and

very economic -- so this account as a liberal justice or a more centrist judge? g who these people are is a real challenge. and that is why i think that the betterorm is not to try to pigeonhole these people into boxes, but flood the zone with more of these people because if you have more people, think about it this way. trying to get more people to agree on one thing make that one thing narrower and narrower and narrower. if you have more people on the supreme court the kinds of things they can get people to sign onto are much smaller than what they could sign onto now. and the other way is simply limit the power of what the supreme court is allowed to decide in the first place. the supreme court should be the final arbiter on wheer women

get constitutional rights to their own bodies. that is a possibility. the supreme court will overturn a national abortion law before breakfast. you could write the law, the supreme court doesn't have the right there are options, there are democratic options here because of the power of the supreme court and think those are more likely to succeed than partisan boxing. host: market atlanta republican, go ahead. caller: yes, just wanted to reference to youreu guest, it seemed that he believes in democracy outcome of that democracy rules in his favor. he's a very passionate and emotional individual in the outcome of democracy is in his favor. so it seemed like he picks and chooses what democracy is working and isn't working based l beliefs. guest: can you give me an example where a democrat has been -- what is your evidence there, buddy? he's gone.

guest: [laughter] yeah, no. i think democracy is good. i don't always like the outcomes of democracy but i end up in the old adage the cure for the evils of democracy is more democracy. the best system, democracy is the worst system except for all the others. there the results of democracy but i preferred the results ofdemocracy to the results of unelected, unaccountable judges, z&host: before we leave you, there's a story today saying that in the next term the justices are going to raise laws taking a look at rendered -- gender transition care bans. guest: yep. you have to understand theon the supreme courtall of the things that they haven't liked over the last 40 years, theytroying. they've already destroyed women's rights, they've already destroyed abortion rights, they

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so that is my general point of view. i definitely like to consider myself a rational conservative that is true to the principles of conservatism. like freedom, limited government. it is a lot of fun to be able to shtrongly held beliefs with the country. host: just to give us an understanding, how did those beliefs come about, how did you shape those beliefs? were some of the strong forces that did that? guest: i grew up with conservati parents but i grappled with these ideas of my own. me, they make the most sense. i believe government should be as out of our lives possible, and i think

encapsulates that which is different from republicanism especially in the current state of the party. host: what do you mean by that? guest: well, obviously the maga ovthe republican has really reshaped the current state of the as someone who considers much more of a true conservative and not so much part of the maga populace bandwagon, there has just been shift in the state of the party. host: a column that you put it yesterday takes a look at the forthcoming debate this coming thursday between president biden and former president trump. the headlines suggest that when it comes to president biden, it is hiscan you give us a little bit of what prompted this column? well i've been writing similar columns the last few years about president biden and his very apparent decline. i think it has been bad to see that. back and watched the

june presidential debates from 2020, and he's not the same man. and it's very clear. and i think this is really going to be on thursday night a real test of exactly how well the president is doing or not well. the white house is obviously much as it can for the president's gaffes public and ocrats try to point this onepublicans as some kind of cheap fake, that videos are being altered in a way to make it see biden is think the american people are smart and they have been able to see for so i think t m against trump with no notes, no teleprompter, this is going to be a real time for biden to show that he is ok or for people to

judge formselves his state. host: so when it comes to specifics, if that is the case, what does president biden have to do to achieve success in prove that he is ok in your mind? guest: i think it's goif he can just get through the night and coherent a lot of people will see that as a win for him. but that is kind of what we saw with the state of the union back in march. he gave a fairly good delivery. some thought hforceful and he made it through the speech ok. but again, that was largely reading from a teleprompter. that's not going to be the case this time. i think this is his sixth day of debate prep at camp david so he has had pretty intense sessions to prepare for the debate. i'll be very curious to see how he does. but to be honest, i'm doubtful that it is going to be a great performanc is facing donald trump

who is a wild. you never know which donald trump you are going to get. in the previous debates for years ago, the first debate he was angry, combative. i think he made biden look good. the second debate he was very different, much more reserved. the microphones were muted like they will be this time around. so we there's a lot of different factors that go into play. host: you want to ask questions, (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8000 four democrats. (202) 748-8002 for independents. if you want to text us questions or comments, (202) 748-8003. you mentioned those two instances of video that was shown that became popular over the last couple of weeks. on from that reception in which he saw president lead off the president. those d-day celebrations. people have said that you need to look at those in context before makinglaims. what do you think about those

responses? well, i am certainly not in favor of any kind of deepfake or altered video. i think the truth is important. but like i say in my column, these incidents ease are not occurring in a vacuum. these are just the latest in a series of missteps o aging that the president is showing the country. i think when you put all the things together, it does paint an alarming picture. it up -- it is not as if republicans are just saying this. there are plenty of democrats concerned about the president as well. poll after poll shows high as 86% of the countries concerned about thpresident's age. and even though he's only three years older than trump right now, people do not have those same concerns broadly about trump. he is elderly as well, but he

handles himself very differently. i think these latest incidents just add fuel to these concerns about biden's condition. that certainly wasn't edited in any way. i know the case was made that biden was just up there taking in the applause. but it still looked really awkward. he wasn't waving at anyone, he wasn't engaging, he just stood there. it was not the picture he needed of obama leading him off the stage. i not think that reflected well on the president. and at the juneteent events, i watched the whole 20 minute video by the associated press and it just looks weird when you have kamala harris and the folks

around him dancing and enging with each other and biden for quite some time just stares ead and doesn't really move. it just does look strange. our first call for you comes from josephine in new jersey. independent line. you on with our desk. caller: good morning. ingrlem. the problem is you don't n someone has arthritis in his back. i see this all the time when i see that man walking. and i'm sadly havingy arthritis and understand what is going through. he has give me a break. on the other hand, when you talk about the other individual who is in court asleep two or three hours in court, are you sleeping?

no, i'm just resting my eyes or that he can't remember his doct name, jackson, or he can't remember anything, he stumbles on names all the time and he can't talk, and his father had alzheimer's. thank you. host: that's josephine in new jersey. guest: well josephine i'm sorry that you are dealing with arthritis and biden very well may be dealing with that too think there are other issues that the president is suffering from as well. i'm i'm just an observer. if you look at special counsel robert hurt's report, part of the reason he declined to prosecute biden in this classified documents case was he said that biden would likely appear to a man with a poor memory. and he laid out in g detail in hiseved that, and a lot of it had to do with biden's recall of

events close to him including his son, his family, the time he was vice president. these are things that go beyond just physical issues. host: republican line, lon island, hello. caller: yeah, how are you doing? hello to you and your guests. i'd like to get a question to your cast. do you feel like a lot of us americans feel about with this debate coming up with a democratic forum basically that the questions that need to be asked to donald trump is not going to be asked? the border, the economy and all the illegals coming in and all these people that are dying from them coming in? and basically coming in

illegay, getting put into our country to murder. not all of them, that the illegals were coming in. do you feel that these questions are: to be going over a lot of important questions, because they don't want americans to he important questions that should be asked. they don't want to bring that out to america, that is the democratic way. do you think that these people are going to be asking donald trump th and you believe they are going to be using his mic don't ask you many and he comes out and tries to bring that, do you feel that way? if i can, let me split that up a little bit. first of all, what do host: -- guest: both president biden and trump have agreed to what has been laid out by cnn. i am sure they were involved in the process. i know there is a lo of sense

bringing up that jake tapper and dana bash have set about trump in the past, trying to paint them as verye going into this. they arei think they know the questions that need to be asked.the issues americans care most about right now clearly is still inflation, the economy, illegal immigration. these are the top issues. i think this has to be a huge part of this debate. trump would be smart to keep the hopossible. stay away from relitigating 2020 and focus on the, focus on how a second term for him things would be different when a second term hunter biden. host for president that

you said there is a low their low bar for the former president as well? guest: guest: the bar for trump is very high as well. the fi 2020, the end of september when trump, i d'n' thinking, he did not come out looking good in that debate and over 70 million americanwatched ere is the potential for that many people, may be moreis debate. they have the potential to be reaching a wide swath of the country. it is unusual for the first debate to be happeningmonths ahead of normal. people like me and you are payingrace. i don't know if that is true of the public more generally. i think it will be interesting to see how many people tune in and i think it is very important in the performance of both candidates matters a lot. host: from samuel in

next. caller: good morning. how are you? host: go ahead. caller: i am looking at trump anamen. i am a bit by how the republicans can pitch their tent with trump we are talking about 50rsears. every time i look around the mistake trump making -- anytime a day -- talking about injecting americans with disinfectant and stuff like that. my question to your host -- your guest is toshi think trump is more mentally sound than biden and why is it that biden is

being picked on all the time when the time. some of it makes you wonder, the president of the united states of america making such fundamental mistakes. why would anybody think disinfectant is good to inject in human beings? such a perso is a better person mentally than biden? host: that is samuel. guest: there all trump has said numerous times he was being sarcastic about injecting or drinking disinfectant. still, it was dumb of him to say at.

heard many similar sentiments from my readers as es not care if biden is in a coma and would still rather vote for biden then trump. the idea of a president not being fully funcfor americans to see with themselves on thursday what kind of president he is. trump says wild things all the time.he has for most of his life. that is kind of his style. he is ansometimes he takes things too far. i think as a whole, and we will see this firsthand. trump didn't show show he has rational policy positions and e out and contrast himself with the president, i think that would be the win for trump.

again, he is rea knows what he will do when he shows up on i think trump would be wise to let biden talk as much as possible. with muted mics it should not be the issue it was in the first debate in 2020 when trump talked over biden the whole time. i think if biden is to talk without interruptions from trump it will be very enlightening for everyone. host: to what degree to the issues for the former president as far as supportguest: i think we have seen it has changed things very little for his support and has led to millions of donations flowing in. think he has gotten $50 million since his conviction? whether that makes sense or not it is what happened. i wrote after the conviction

that it is really going to change very little. the people who hate trump are still going to hate trump. the people who love him will love him more. there are folks in the middle independence that may be turned a lot of the same independe ith biden and what their lives have been life the last four years. it will be a tough decision it is trump and biden on the ballot in november. if you look at polling as it is now, how do you look at that in interpret the closeness in some of the polls between the two meant given their issues on both sides? guest:ose election just like it was last time. we are a very divided country right now. i think that shows up in the polls. i saw very interesting report a few weeks ago, they are looking at views of swing state voters

and this is surprising that a majority more concerned to see biden overseeing the economy and immigration than they would to have trump setting policy on abortion. i think that is a big warning sign foremocrats. i think they thought abortion would be playing a much bigger role in this election then it seems to be. that could be different in the state that has filed an initiative like arizona and florida. that could drive democratic turnout. where i live in michigan this is already pretty much a settled matter. we have a constitutional amendment with very broad ot, much more lenient than the state law was before roe. i think voters are going to be considering much more ecoe issues than abortion. host: this is m jd.

independent line. caller: can you hear me? host: go ahead. as far as joe biden being slow joe biden can get slower, he can be in a with his arms crossed -- i would not gia registered racist donald trump. have a good day. #$ trump was notof rape,found liable for sexual abuse. a lot of people feel that way. people who already hated trump they will ha what. both trump and biden are not new figures. they have been around a long time. most people know how they feel about them. i think it will come down to what people -- the few people in the middle, independents, what they decide to do, and it will depend on turnout.

who can drive the most enthusiasm. it does not seem like biden's drumming up that kind of support. host: you wrote in a recent column about the needs and the republican party to return to more of a paul ryan style versus the former president, can you elaborate on that thought? guest: of course. in the primary i was very interested in some of these other republicans who had thrown their hat in. ron desantis. ni haley. see a new generation of republicans looking to move up in leadership. for whatever reason republicans are still tied to trump. i recently heard paul ryan speak at conference in michigan it is what i in this column and i think paul ryan has very interesting things to say.

he has publicly said he will not vote for trump. that does me biden. he said he would write in a that is how he will handle it. vote for trump because she fears a second term with biden more. she did not give a robust endorsement of trump but that was her choice. paul ryan made the case that this current mag mint is very populist and very tied to one al trumponce donald trump is no longer in the limelight, he seemedback to its more conservative roots and i hope he is right. i don't know. r eight years it could be more of trump stylei don't know if we can just slide back into more reagan-es íque style of things. i hope he isrrent movement is tied to

trump and once trump is not there we can get back to normalcy. i criticize biden a lot. that does not mean i've been a ro o trump, i have not. anyone who has realize that. that does not mean we cannot see faults with the current president. we need tot flaws on both sides. host: your state's in a recent interview with the new york tis, gov whitmer said there was a need for a generation ex-president. i don't know she is throwing herself in the mix in the future , but what you think of that idea? guest: i think she would love to be president. i am very for a sent. i am a xer and it would be great to see someone not in the boomer generation running for president. gretchen whitmer has said she is backing biden. out with a book this summer.

she is very circuit. ourumblings of who could replace bide decided to drop out or something happens at the democratic convention, gretchen whitmer's name keeps coming up. as much as she says she is not interested i think she very much is. host: randy is in north carolina. democrats line. caller: good morning. wondering. the level of cover president trump gets as opposet biden on the gas, the mistakes, all of those things. it seems to be disproportionately geared towards president biden. is a lot of things -- media, do not just take one person's view -- i go from msnbc, cnn, and also fox. what i am seeing but is a lot of

the coverage they are giving out negative towards president bi carrying on the national news, they are not carrying the things prompted, the gas an@vd -- carrying the things trump did, the gas except on cable news. former president trump had a rally in the church and they were chanting curse words in the church. i saw that on cable but i did n the national news. i am wondering why is it the national news -- why isn't the national newsg all the cover on president biden why are they covering the same things on president trump? if a person is running for the presidency of the united states of america and he is having people chanting curse words inside of a church, that that would make the national news. host: randy in north carolina. guest: i wish more people were

like you and got their news from a variety of sources. i think too few americans do that. are just drawn to coverage that reflects our personal points of view. it does seem if that happened to trump t have been broadcast more widely. we see these discrepancies all the time of what newspapers like my decide to cover. kind of government about trump being in a church -- trump to his is not afraid to go to spaces that might be uncomfortable for a republican. he hela big rally in the bronx. he has been to detroit, churches near detroit. he is really reaching out he will probably not get the them but he attracts more than he 2020 that could make the difference this election. host: robin is located in

pennsylvania, republican line. hello. guest: guest: i just called to set -- caller: i just called to a trump supporter since he cape town the escalator . he a raw deal from day one with the hillary clinton nonsense in russia. i think the american people need to look at the difference between trump and biden. i cannot afford my electric bill anymore. it has doubled. i cannot afford food. i am struggling badly and i was trump. biden is killing this countryto see this. if they do not see it they are fully themselves. -- they are fooling themselves.

guest:lation has slowed. prices are still high. that. the quality declined. as the incumbent president biden has to answer for that. i think a lot of the policies he has put in place has made it worse. he has continued to spend at a high rate. his student debt cancellation plans, which the supreme court said were illegal but hefferent variations of those and adding to their national debt and leading to more inflation.

if biden were serious about tackling that he would not be doing these huge sp which are pretty blatant attempts at a time when inflation is the issue americans really care about. host: one of the things you been writing about frequently is the recent actions by the administration when it comes to title ix. can you explain what it is and what the biden administration has done. guest: title ix hit its 52nd days ago with the landmarkon law that pre-much s school funding much banned discrimination on the basis of sex. what biden has done. in april he came out with this

new rule for title ix to the executive branch that made some verythere are lots of things wrong withto process and freedom of speech. what i have focused on a lot and what has a lot of women concerned is the new language the biden administration added ll changes the definition of sex to include geer ident up. i talked to many of them on their experiences ofhat it is like to play against a transgender athlete, compete against transgender athletes and their fairness concerns, privacy concerns. group of women is touring the country by ais message out. i think biden would be wise to listen to these concerns.

given no indication that he will. host: let's hear from raymond in florida. independent line. caller: at them you said you would like to express your opinion to the world. button and the person with the finger on it. would you like to see a madman or someone with empathynd a little bit of a disability? what about stephen hawkins, the scientific genius, should we disregard his accomplishments because of his infirmity? good day. guest: stephen hawking has a very sound mind. to be honest i do not feel great about trump or biden having that authority. that looks like the choice we will have. the american people wcide that for themselves. for me it is very concerning

someone does not have his full mental capabilities to be able to make those calls, especially if tensions around the world are increasing from ukraine china russia, north korea the is potentially a difficult situation coming up for the united states. i do not see joe biden as one to handle those. host: when it comes to those in your state in yourast politics play out when it comes to the situation we guest: it plays a lot. etro detroit is a huge issue and it has become a problem for president biden because he has been fairly consistent in his support of israel i would give at the same time he is trying to to young pro-palestinian protesters that we have seen on college campuses around the

try who are not happy with biden's policies and want to see much more drastic act is part as far as arms for israel's and other measures. has become a bigger issue on theprogressive left than abortion. urprised the biden administration somewhat. i do not think they were expecting to be fielding this issue just months ahead of the election. americans here in metro detroit who refused to meetadministration officials a few months ago. they have started talking again. there the uncommitted votes in the michigan primary. i cannot remember the number. it is a real thing these people

are saying if biden continues supporting israel the way he is t that could be a real issue. host: only in california, democrats line, you're on with our guest. i had a couple questions forouyou had mentioned that biden forgiveness and that would be buying votes. what about donald trump buying votes from billionaires with tax breaks? i am more concerned abo votes from billionaires than my daughter having her student loan debt forgiven? what you know about project 2025? what you think about the supreme court shielding of his cases and not -- postponi rulings so he can get the election without havice any consequences from all of these

trials he what you think about putting migrants and ufc fights? are you in favor of that? guest: that is a long list. rts of it as far as the student loan cancellation. i don't see a comparison with the tax cuts. the tax cuts of 2017 help to much wider swath of americans. the middle affected. biden has picked a certain population, one that is higher educated, often higher income and given a new entitlement to them and for at least 60% of americans that you not have a college degree, they should not be forced to cover that loan

debt that these folks took out on their own accord. it is hugely unfair. more thanly and the country cannot afford it. it is clear overreach of the executive branch. sbthat is why biden lost that fight in the supreme court last year and there are already legal challenges to the current way he is going about it through income driven repayment plans. i think t this ahead of an electi to buy votes. trump certaiy was a big spender as well. i think it is one thing of a president wants to cut taxes. they're also going to have to cut spending or figure out another way to raise money. there are out about trump handled things as well. host: go ahead. guest: no go ahead. host: he asked you about project

25. i don't know if you want to respond to that? guest: the heritage foundation project? i have not looked at that . i feel like a lot of those groups have lost their way from their conservative ideals. closely. host: is support of the former president or are there other issues? there are a range of issues but a lot of it has to do with trump. host: republican line. last call. caller: i would like about what i perceive as the safety of the world. when biden and obama were in officenvaded crimea and took it over. when trump wasons to ukraine. i have not met a person on the left they still believe in the russia collusion. the media has done a great job of planting that. trump gave ukraine weapons.

biden and obama never gave them weapons. noth since he has been in office. -- look what has happened since he has been in office. afghanistan, pruden goes into ukraine like he went into crimea. they have no fear of biden. iran is strongeray. hamas and hezbollah are attacking. all of this is on watch. liberal person. they still believe pruden wanted trump in office -- they still believe putin wanted trump in office. guest: i share your concerns. i think we need a strong leader to guide the country through an increasinglyramework. point about how the russian collusion story

followed trump unfairly throughout his presidency. as trump called ithoax it has been proved to be that. media t there probably a lot of folks on the left that still believe that. that w this is part of why i think biden state of mind is of importance. we need a leader capable and can lead us through these difficult situations. host: find our guests work at usa today.cojocks is a columnist -- ingrid cques is a columnist for the publication. host: we will finish with open you can participate by calling (202) 748-8001 republicans (202) 748-8000, and independents (202) 748-8002.

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this happened. don't will find ourselves in world war iii and these people that are for these unconstitutional student payouts, they need to start taking some of that money and throwing into the people that are living with long covid. unfortunately that is afflicting my family and it is not pretty. biden cannot have another four years. he has taken our country so far down that i have no doubt in my mind trump can fix it. he is awe did not have all of this drama. all we had was democrat drama. host: tina in pennsylvania. she mentioned student loans. politico reporting a pair of federal judges halt a key part of president biden's new student loan repayment planogram imperilingan repayment program, imperiling

the progthe court ruling is in response to a lawsuit from republican states were venting the education department from moving ahead with major components of biden's save repayment program preventing from reducing monthly payments of millions of lauren in maryland. democrats line. lawrence in maryland. caller: hello? i want to talk about the inflationpeople do not understand there is inflation because they have more money in their pockets . people consume. the 2009 economic crisis, people lost their homes and their jobs. even gas was $.50. how will you pay when you do not have money in your pockets? osite.

he bailed out industries, he asked companies if you can keep your employees stop some of took the money. people havesome people have money in their pockets. they go to the store. prices keep going up. i do not understand how people don't get it that inflation is becaust have money in their pockets. biden is there for the common people. yo when they start losing their jobs and do not have a place to go they will go to the polls. th biden won trump in the last election. host: analysis for the committee for responsible federal budget when it comes to tax provisions

in the previous administration. the hill reports ignoring measures, the portion of debt still holds aroundne, with former president trump adding 4.8 trillion in nonpandemic eight fiscal debt and president biden adding $2.2 trillion. those mostly due to changes to the affordable care act and the acts of 2018 and 2019. most of mr. biden's nonpandemic related additions were due the student debt relief appropriations bill and other executive actions, the two parties add to the debt in different ways, with republicans through bipartisanlation and democrats more through executive action. analysis from the hill. illinois. republican. caller: good morning. c-span. i got a pretty good idea what lawrence in maryland was smoking. about 75% of us have less money in their pockets. the younger kids better vote for

trump because of they vote for biden this country is going down the tes. have a piece advice from the south side of chicago. the mayor of chicago, i've ncovid, but with the crime and businesses leaving, they have to locking up the repeat offenders. it is not the guns problem, it is the people who run around with the guns. i hope the mayor of chicago does some good as the national guard. tr gets reelected. host: joe is in maine. independent line. caller: just wondered wire you are sitting there a liars, these idiots who money. his money in his bank account is getting 6% -- the idiot who was talking about trump giving ukraine money, that idiot dt with the fact that

they could not the weapons on russians. that? you went to trump university. you should know these things. host: that is certainly not the case. caller: you do not care about correcting host: i will correct you that i did not go to your -- i did not go to that university. caller: host: go ahead and finish. caller: you let that gave ukraine weapons. they cannot use them against the russians. you did not bring that point up. you let the idiot ingrid started out saying she does not like transgender? what gives her the right twho gives her the right to do that. host: maryland, democrats line, hi. caller: i am 86 years and i have a small income and i am not

crying like these white folks are crying. all they cry about is money money. the root of all evil is money. corporations put up prices. we know they are gouging. we see it every day. they are talking about prices too high for food. have and not try to live beyond our means. that is what i have to say. as far as donaldrui vote any place where i want to vote. is 82 and he cannot say a message clearly. you are telling me this guide will be president again? no. get rid of him. his time is up. host: that is carl in maryland. virginia reporting on that case, saying

state senator john maguire is declaring victory in the fifth congressional district after that fiercely fought rate in the vote count that is nearly set into a second week. senator maguire beat his opponent caucus chair bob good by 375 vote but a recount is expected. the incumbent had come out results after casting doubt on the safety and security of elections in the fifth district. virginia board of elections will certify the election on july 2 and the results b collective wave of unease among the fit district voters are attempting to primary filled with incoming -- infighting amongthere is more at the stanton news leader. charles in colorado. republican line. next. caller:ello. basically people do not understand that there is one person running for president

that has business sense, has been there and done that for many years. then there is another person that has been a career politician and all he wants is your money and youreople are paying their tax dollars for things that do not need to be verseas. giving money, billions and f dollars from other countries -- to other countries. our taxpayers are paying for all of that. we want a representative that is going to represent the normal people in the united states. that is going to be trump. i am sorry to tell people that. he has the experience. you need to let him lead the country because that is what he can do. host: let's hear from dave in las vegas. independent caller: i was in theo into the military you're asked ifnt.

trump tried to do that. everybody saw it. he got people killed. ot be allowed to run will stop the constitution said that. you should not be allowed to run. he is a felon. you don't let a felon buy a gun. you will let a felon have his finger on the nuclear button when he snaps because he did not win the election? freedom, he is for taking away freedom. he likes everybody in north korea and russia and china. he is in bed with them and bought and paid for. republican should have impeached him and they did not. keephe rapedot convicted in court for rape. host: abuse. caller: court he would've been put in jail. you will let somebody like that run? i don't know where we are going but if trump gets in we will have the worst depression.

he afor one would crash. there is something wrong with this guy. the washington post reports the has shared information from thousands of americans letters and packages with law enforcement every year for the past decade conveying the names and addresses of other details from outside boxes and envelopes without requiring a court order. postal inspectors say they fill such requests only one valve can help find a fugitive or investigate a crime. a worth of records provided to the washington post eived more than 60,000 requests from federal agents and police officers since 2015 and they rarely say no. each request uncovered days and weeks of mail sent to or from a person or address and 90% of the requests were approved according to data. ÷4zpostal inspectors recorded more than 312,000 letters and packages between 2015 and 2023. that i.k post if you want to read that story. we will go to vivian in tennessee.

democrats line. caller: morning. i was just calling. i was listening to the people on the republican side, independent, and democrat side. there's one thing american petrump has told us what he is going to do. the news did not make these up. i ke all you have to do is play with that man said. play it every time he gets up there and speaks. play to the american public. he got up there and lied and said he did not say these things. please play it. i hopep the stuff when they have the debate how he said he would sell america out to putin and the rest of the people people. it is time for them to wake up. i live area in tennessee. down here they are killing people every day. some is being killed, even children.you hear marsha blackburn

and other recrat saying anything? no. they infighting in israel and gaza. we need that here. rate, the murder rate is bad in america. then they are talking about inflation. the only reason for inflation is the rich white man raised these prices. they are on trump's side. it is the working people makin wake up. host: that is vivian in 1:00 this afternoon, discussion about the future of nato sponsored by the council on foreign relations talking about nato's future and the potential for further expansion. on c-span now and c-span.org. this evening at, former olympic champion swimmers michael phelps and allison stify on in tight openings ahead of the summers's paris -- on anti-doping ahead of the paris olympics. that is at 7:00 on thehostin the d

or seat simulcast on c-span2 on our app come and c-span.org. let's hear from paula independent line. caller:ing straight. when the doctor tells you you have cancer you cannot die right away, you die a couple months later. as far as these prices everybody talks about their soer trump, that is because obama and biden did it. they had to clean up the mess from george where they gave loans to people who cannot afford twe had to bail out the banks. up. that is why the prices came. then trump comes along and takes credit for it and then trump creates the mess with his cuts to millionaires and billionaires and biden has to clean up trumps mass. addition to covid which would have neverned if trump had it illuminated and thrown out the pandemic which biden expanded

on and trump threw it out. they would never have been what there was. as far as the student loans though students have paid back their loans over and over again. if they took $30,000 they paid back $90,000. the only thing that should be eliminated is the 10% interest th have. one of the qualifications they had to have that loan for 10 host: let's hear from dale in louisiana. blican line. caller: good morning. i have lived here for 88 i have never seen this country and this kind of shape. hello?host: are you there. ahead. we can hear you. caller: i came from a family

that suffered during the depression and throughout the years. if we do not get rid of biden will be in terrible shape. this country will not last four years. it is the worst i've ever seen and ever heard of. no country has suffered like louisiana or the united states. we are in desperate trouble. talk about trumpheir head stuck in the sand. they don't understand what happened to this country. host: it was yesterday that vice president harris traveled to maryland to talk about the two-year anniv dobbs decision which overturned roe v. wade. his presidential race coming up, particularly former president donald trump. here are her comments yesterday. >> donald trump just announced

he has already decided who his running mate will be. without knowing that person's name know it is someone who wants to ban abortion. every person on his short list eier supported a ban in their state or supported a national bank. it does not stop there -- were it does not stop there. if there were a second trump term he has at" restrictions on contraceptplate -- pay the united states senate obstruct the bill to proion. not once, not twice, but thit comes downhis. donald trump thinks the government is in a better position to tell women what is in their best interests than for themselves. host: more commensee them on the app.

cap burgum who covers congress for fox news says a republican representative luna says she will trigger a resolution for contempt for merrick garland tomorrow peeing up a vote on friday. the vote will not be a straight up or down vote on the inherent contempt. foxes toemts may move to table or kill the resolution. if the house approves the motion to table the gate is up. the hopt if the motion to table fails. tomorrow. let's hear from don in line. caller: hello? host: you are o caller: i would like to comment on republican representatives from new york representative elise stefanik from new york. i listen to her when she gave her speech on the freedom caucus. ne this in the past.

i am a democrat. i did not vote for hillary clinton nor did i vote for joe biden in the past two elections. i do respect the office of the presidency. this representative shows no respect for that office. any time she trump as the president. s to joe biden as the president. it is always mr. biden for joe biden. when she refers to donald trump she always gives him the title president. we have four other former living presidents and they are known as former president's as donaldhe is not the current office by doing that, and she does it every time. host: your point. hillary clintin 2016. former secretary of state and former senator. d in the new york times. don't have time to read it, just

appoint you to it. "i debated trump and biden here's what i watching for on thursday." that guest essay by hillary rodham clinton. let' go to ronnie in maryland, independent line. caller: how are you doing today? i'm disappointed this is the best we have to offer into 2025. i know wrestling is big in america but like watching call cogan versus flair at wrestlemania. atching hulk hogan versus rick flair at wrestlemania. nobody wants to see that. i am tired of picking the lesser of two evils. i am independent and canthings are not just because of who he is but the people behind him. if he gets elected we could have fathers that would allow us to purge the next five years. that is the danger. we need younger candidates.

we need millenials to lead america into the future. host: mor call, this will be from david in maryland. caller:hank you for taking my call. are you going to have any expert on the release of julian assange? [inaudible] i think it is huge, i think the case is huge. i would like to know if c-span will bring experts in discuss the implications of that case. host: is a good question and thank you for asking it? ou think the public overall would be interested in such a segment? caller: journalism, the freedom of the press.it has huge implications about newspapers, what is required of newspapers, how newspapers can secrets.

how they did not respond to the washington post and the times. how they handled julian assange's americans are very intelligent when they are exposed to information. we have not been exposed information about that case. host: thank you for so that's jet -- thank you for the suggestion once again. he is the last call and that is our time for this program. thanks for watching. a new addition at 7:00 tomorrow g. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsntent and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >>l inn2to andrns at