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these other television providers. giving you a front row seat to democracy. ♪ it is wednesday, july 3. two political stories are donning the headlines. key democrats are going public with concerns about president biden's fitness for reelection and a major reprieve for former president donald trump. the sentencing for his hush money conviction is postponed to the fall in the wake of a supreme court ruling on presidential immunity. we want to hear from you on both or either of those topics. give us a call. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a text. (202) 748-8003. include your first name and your

city and state and we are on social media. facebook.com/cspan and x at @cspanwj. welcome today's "washington journal". we start with an update on mr. trump's sentencing. it is delayed. the sentencing was pushed back to september as his lawyers seek to persuade the trial judge that his conviction should be tossed out after a supreme court ruling that presidents have immunity for official acts. the new york supreme court justice on mershon -- juan merchand said he would rule on those motions september 6. and also here is the washington times headline on our other story, which is the first

democrat urges biden to withdraw. representative lloyd doggett became the first democratic member of congress to call on president biden's to step aside and let some and replace them atop the party's ticket. he praised mr. biden but said the stakes are too high for the party to roll the dice against former president donald trump after mr. biden's confused performance in last week's debate. he has an opportunity to encourage a new generation of leaders from whom a nominee can be chosen to unite our country through an open democratic process. let's look at what the white house press secretary said yesterday when she was asked about his debate performance and members of congress asking for him to step out. >> first, we understand the concerns. the president did not have a great night, as you know. many of you reached out during the debate. the president had a cold and a

horse for -- voice. i will say this and the president said this over the past couple days, certainly after the debate. he knows how to do the job not because he says it, because his record proves it, because for 3.5 years his record has been unprecedented, delivering for the american people. another thing he said that i would add is he knows right from wrong and how to tell the truth and how to deliver for the american people. joe biden is a person. take away his title, he is someone who has dealt with tragedy. he is someone who has confronted that head on. he is someone who knows how to get back up once you get knocked down. that is something he understands well and i think that is something many americans across the country understand as well. he knows how to come back, so he

is going to continue to focus on what he has been doing the past three and half years. he will continue to focus on the american people. to your question, to add a little bit, you heard from speaker pelosi and rep. clyburn:. let me paraphrase what they said. speaker pelosi said it is not about performance in terms of a debate. it is about performance in a presidency. this is a president -- we have talked about this. he has been able to give us an economic recovery, the strongest economic recovery in modern history. during the midterms of 2022, many people said it was going to be a red wave and that did not happen. we have seen historic -- then you had representative clyburn,

who said he president has done a great job leading for the last 3.5 years. the best predictor of future behavior is past performance. when you look at the record of president biden versus former president trump, you see president biden has delivered the strongest recovery in modern history versus the previous administration, whose plan hurts the middle class, and president biden is committed to protecting our fundamental freedoms versus the former president, the previous administration doing everything they could and did to overturn roe v. wade. they are responsible for that. host: that was the white house press secretary yesterday. this is reuters with the headline biden faces growing doubts from democrats about his 2024 reelection bid. this says here there are 25 democratic members of the house of representatives preparing to

call for biden to step aside if he seems shaky in coming days, according to one house democratic aide. we will go to the phones now in new york. democrat. caller: good morning. this is some scary times. i think that -- i happen to be -- thank you for taking my call. i happen to be an 80 something-year-old woman. if i was younger, i probably would leave america. because i think we are in a time i have never seen. i have seen many things happen in this country and donald trump is the pits and i would never vote for him. i think the democrats have done a poor job never having a

primary and i think it is an awful time in america. host: are you a yes or no on president biden stepping down? from the election? caller: he should not step down. host: you still have confidence in him? caller: at this time, it is very confusing to me because i do not know what they are going to do, but i do not think him stepping down as the answer. host: june in wisconsin, independent. >> is crazy for the democrats to talk about biden stepping down. he is the best thing they got right now. they should support him and stopping so ignorant.

he needs to talk about reparations because for decades the black folks have been left behind and continue to be left behind if biden is not reelected. i hope they listen to this program. to be fair to black americans. reparation is long overdue. we should pray for joe biden because trump is a crook. let's get real, america. god bless america. host: here is larry, democrat. caller: i have been wanting to hear president trump tell the people if he is a man and not a

coward, to get in front of the american people and tell them what he was doing for the three hours of something that the capital of the united states was being attacked. what was he doing and why was he doing it? that would clear a lot up for people, to know which way to vote. host: mr. trump did respond on social media on his truth social site about the decision by the supreme court. he says this. this is part of what he said. total exoneration. it is clear the supreme court's really written and historic decision ends all of crooked joe biden's witchhunts against me, including the white house and doj inspired hoaxes in new york, all of these unfair charges represent the worst level of election interference ever seen in our country's history. it must be understood that i am

innocent from the beginning of this giant and highly illegal scam, long before the supreme court decision was released. and mark in florida, republican, good morning. caller: first, let me say the last two or three years my mother had dementia. joe biden is at stage four or five dementia now. he was in the early stages in 2019, 2020. everybody that surrounded his candidacy knew that he was in grave disintegration and lied and kept him headed away and ever since he has been president people who have been part of his administration, including the first white house press secretary and the one we have now, who was out yesterday line through her teeth like she always does, everybody surrounding joe biden has watched them sink further and

further into dementia. this is not a joke or a game. they have all been complicit in covering this up in the worst of them is probably jill biden. what is in this for her? who knows? wyden is in the latter stages of dementia and everyone surrounding him has been engaged in a cover-up over the last five years. it is disgraceful. everything he has done -- he said yesterday his historic accomplishments. his economic agenda has been destructive to our nation. his foreign policy has resulted in the worst war in the european continent in 80 years, the worst war in the middle east in 50 years. his border policy has been a catastrophe. we have tens of thousands of americans dying of fentanyl overdoses and being murdered. this man has been a disaster and everyone around him has been complicit in propping this up and i thank you for listening to me.

host: marissa in montana. caller: good morning and shut out to the founder. i appreciate you guys so much. you are a shining light. i am grief over c-span. i would like to address the american people directly. the first thing i like to say is please back off and give joe biden a little time. we will not even have a democracy if it was not for him. does everybody remember the long lines in the parking lot when people did not have any food and trump telling people to inject themselves with bleach? did i ever hear even one republican? i think it is interesting the republicans are not saying -- not one republican has stood up and asked donald trump to stand down with all of his criminal activities. as far as the border goes, the

reason there wasn't anybody coming over was because they had a special 42 or something with covid and that was canceled. biden tried to help with the border and the republicans have blocked him every way. the republicans are sending large amounts of guns down to south america and that is why we are having this migrant problem but they do not want to talk about that. please do not hang up because i want to say something about the debate. our president had a 32nd lapse of memory. beyond that, he was very clear and concise on all the questions they asked him. he has had a plan for climate change. he had a thing about abortion. he had a three-point plan. he was clear and concise. i do not think i heard trump answer one question directly. he was asked about climate change and went on and on about russia. one more thing is when did we stop treasuring -- why is ageism

-- why are we discriminating against people that are aging? he cannot turn back the hands of time, so why are we being discriminatory? that is discrimination against people that are aging, like discriminating against people who are female or a different caller. please, america, let's realize the treasure we have in this man and give him space to make a decision or decide what he is going to do. let's show him a little bit of gratitude and loyalty for the hard work that has caused this because the presidency ages people, so let's back off a little bit and give him the loyalty and respect. host: the biden-harris campaign did release an ad after the debate urging voters to focus on his experience and not his age. >> did you see trump last night?

the most lies told in a single debate. he lied about the great economy he created. he lied about the pandemic he botched. then his biggest lie. he lied about how he had nothing to do with insurrection on january 6. we all saw it with our own eyes. >> we are going to walk down to the capital and i will be there with you. >> we saw the capital being ransacked. he did not a single thing to stop it. nothing. i know i'm not a young man, but i know how to do this job. i know right from wrong. i know how to tell the truth. i know, like many americans now, when you get knocked down you get back up. >> i'm joe biden and i approve this message. host: on social media, michael

says, keep in mind that biden and trump are the best the democrats and republicans could come up with. for us toe between. sandy in ind says, trump's sentencing should delayed. trial has nothing to do wisidential duties. needs to finally be held accountable. while i love president biden, a majority of the country has lost confidence in him. i would li tsee gavin newsom run. here iseffrey from las vegas. the democrat president joe ben should not step down. it was a 90 minute situation. it does not measure up to a lifetime of service. and stephen in florida, independent line. what do you think? >> can you hear me? thank you for laying may be on air. two things. first, he did not just flub for

30 seconds. he repeatedly did not sound comprehensible. he lost the debate here and trump to not say anything he did not need to because biden messed up because he kept saying random stuff. he kept not pronouncing correctly. don't get me wrong. i like biden's policies. i am a big environ medalist and biden did a great job with the environment. after that debate, i have lost confidence in a biden presidency for a second term. the second thing i want to say is the democratic party has completely flubbed cut messed up with this whole biden presidency with the second term. biden should have stepped down and now people like me, independents who lean to biden, are turning away from it. i understand the policies online with my views and i do not agree

with the way trump handles himself in any manner, but biden is too old and i young person in america who is going to be a first time voter i'm not confident in voting for someone who cannot have a conversation for two minutes. i work in a retirement home in high school, so -- assisted living. i had to deal with people who do not understand what they ordered 20 minutes ago and the way but in acts with not understanding what he was saying before, the whole we beat medicare, is a serious concern. host: are you still there? how old are you? caller: i am going to turn 19 in a few days. host: have you decided who you are going to vote for or are you still thinking about it? caller: i have to see. like i said, i do not agree with the way trump handles himself.

i do not think if he wins democracy is going to be over. i think it is impossible for one man in my opinion to overturn hundreds of years of that progress, but i do not know. after that debate -- i knew that biden messed up a few things, like when he read with the communicator said and stuff like that, but i thought there were a few gaps and he was old. we all knew that, but after the debate i do not know what it was and after the rally, it did not sound like state of the union biden. it sounded like jill told him what to say and he was just repeating it. i have to see. if i had to vote now, i would probably vote for trump. host: keep us posted as you decide. lydia, louisiana, democrat.

caller: thank you for taking my call. i do not think biden should leave the campaign commit to leave the race because he has done an excellent job until now. he came in after a presidency that was very chaotic with trump and he came in and turned everything around. people might not want to accept it, but all of the stats and reports, everything shown, the economy is changing and has gotten better. stocks are doing better. everything is progressing under joe biden. it is too late for him to leave now. if they wanted to make a change, if the democrats wanted to make a change, they should have done that earlier. it is too late now to go to

whatever candidate. any think you do to change now is want to change and make donald trump president. i am not worried about joe biden having a gaffe. look at mitch mcconnell. he has had those instances happen several times and no one has called for him to remove his position and he is in a high position as well. i listen to a lot of and representatives on tv. they are stumbling and bumbling and they are younger than joe biden. i am 67 years old. i have a 34-year-old son. by the time i get up in the morning, i have -- by the time he wakes up. i might forget my glasses somewhere or where i put my checkbook and i am only 67. joe biden is probably having some issues, but i think he is cognitive enough to do the job. he has morality. he has a sincere desire to take care of the people, which is

opposite from donald trump. he might have had a few gaps, but donald trump lies for 90 minutes on everything and to me, if i'm a person accused of crimes, i want to go to trial right away. i want to get this resolved instead of trying to evade the system and do what he has been doing. with the supreme court, i did not get a chance to call in but i want to make this comment. the supreme court made that decision but they did not pay attention to what they were doing because if you are going to give a president absolute immunity pretty much, saying that anything outside of his official acts you cannot convict or charge but unofficial acts -- ok. if he does something officially in his capacity but it leads to come in on tent, you cannot use

that now to prosecute him for any reason? the supreme court justices need to think about what they did because if donald trump is back in office and decides the decisions they are making he does not like and he deems they are a threat to our democracy, does he have the right to assassinate them? host: take a look at this new york times article on the front page. some in room with biden say lapses are increasing. concern grows over moments of confusion and private during grueling schedule set in the months's before president biden devastating performance. several current and former officials and others who encountered him behind closed doors noticed he increasingly appeared confused or listless or loose -- the threat of conversations. mr. biden has long experience as

a citizen which he mangled a sentence, forgot a name, or mixed up a few facts. even though he could be sharp and engaged most of the time. in interviews, people in the room with him recently said the lapses seemed to be growing more frequent, pronounced, and more worrisome. the white house press secretary responded to this article from the white house. >> i have not seen it, so it is hard for me to respond directly. what i can speak to broadly is that i have had engagement with the president regularly. i see a strong, resolute president who is always willing and able to work on behalf of the american people. i do not know who these folks are that you speak up so it is hard for me to talk about that and speak to that. i can speak to my experience and go back again on the president's record and why he has been able

to deliver on behalf of the american people. >> 50 million plus americans saw the debate last thursday. they get a different story from you. you described a different sounding president. obviously other administration officials describe them differently than what people saw. how do you reconcile those two versions of a president? one who appears the way they did to millions of people on the other who appears to be forceful and not have any of those? >> the president spoke to this. you heard me speak to this. we believe and others have said as much as me, other folks who have been on networks and he has spoken to all of you, it was a 90 minute debate. it was a bad night. that is what we believe.

we are not taking away what people saw. we want to be clear about that. and we want to also make sure people understand the president realizes. i keep saying this. he is not as young as he used to be and he has addressed this over and over. but you saw him last night. you saw him at the rally. you saw him at the watch parties. there have been many instances. state of the union, you saw him take on republicans by himself and what was happening back and forth in the state the union. there have been instances where the president has really shown his strength that all of you have seen and commented about. so i think we cannot forget that as well. he also heard from president

obama, who himself has said his first debate was not great. he talked about that. most incumbents, their first debates are not great. host: back to the phones to cheryl in illinois, republican. go ahead. caller: sorry, i am watching. host: there is a delay. talking to the phone. caller: everybody's talking how they are shocked about biden. it has been going on this way for years. and if someone has to get special shoes and every thing else, ridiculous. host: you're getting confused by hearing yourself on tv, so i'm going to go to evelyn in south

carolina, independent. caller: yes. i want to put something out there. biden is too old. what about cleaning out the house and senate? there are some old people in there. thank you. host: and joyce in sarasota, florida, republican. >> we have four years of prosperity with president trump. we had no wars. the afghan debacle when biden took over. i truly believe there was -- the election was rigged. i was there on january 6 and it was peaceful and we had some people who were antifa and black

lives matter in the group dressed up like trump supporters and people were allowed in, into the capital, and it is really -- host: how did you know they were antifa and black lives matter? caller: you guys don't realize, but so many people or taking videos that day. there are lots of people that have said on media, on social media come about -- that they saw people dressing up, they saw people -- welcome you had -- well, you had epps and another guy who was a black lives matter from idaho. host: you travel all the way

from sarasota, florida to the that day? caller: yes, i did. host: did you go into the capitol? ? caller: no. me and my friends were walking there. we saw a bunch of police cars, at least i saw it on a hill and a guy came by. he had been selling buttons and his eyes were watering and they said the police were shooting these bombs, you know that make your eyes water. so we decided not to go. host: had things gotten violent at that point? caller: i did not get close enough to see. we went back and it was really -- why did the police let people

into the capital? why did nancy pelosi not have any troops there? national guard? it is going to come out. because slowly over these last few years it has come out. biden is a puppet. obama is behind him. and he said he was going to transform the united states and he has done it. host: in colorado cut democrat. good morning. are you there? >> good morning. i'm to call in and say does anybody remember that ronald reagan had dementia? no one talks about that. no one did anything.

it came out he had dementia. he had alzheimer's. so biden is out there. he had a poor debate. however, people do not realize that ronald reagan while in office had dementia. and trump is old. biden is old. they are both older people. so each individual person has to decide this is what we have. so each individual person needs to decide. they are both old. yes. trump can get up there and do platitudes and frown and lie. ok. everybody knows biden has a speech impediment. everybody knows this. he is three years older than trump. forgive me for saying their last names only.

basically, president biden and former president trump are both elderly men and we have seen their records. for me personally, he had a bad debate. but the democrats got my advice would be that he should look at his inner circle, look at the person surrounding him -- the people surrounding him, and do not try to plug him up with all this data. let the man get up there and talk and then go out and sell his program, his administration is what matters. i do not want a trump administration. i do not want people who are going to support him running the country. so i do not think biden can get up there and speak like obama. barely any president can get up and speak like obama.

maybe kennedy and a few others. host: here is a comment o x. in the past, roosevelt needed support but still managed to get thgsone. this put an end to this nonsense ande together. there is so much at stake. this is michael and florida. president biden shouldtep down. four more years wiose the failed liberal policies an republicans will not have to russia, inflation, crime, all of which democrats created. this is mike in ohio, independent. caller: as far as reagan goes, his last years with dementia showed up. this man biden who was supposedly our president has had dementia from day one, even before that. now all of a sudden he got on

the stage and we see how he is acting we realize this man is not in control. this remind me of woodrow wilson. his wife hid his sickness and she was running the country before everybody knew what was going on. as far as trump, we survived four years of trump. do you think we can survive another four years of biden? why is hunter in the oval office? this man is a convicted felon. let's wake up, people. we have to get this country together. if not, we are going to go down the toilet. host: mike mention hunter biden. nbc news says hunter biden has joint white house meetings as he stays close to the president postdebate. while he is regular he at the white house, it is unusual for the president's son to be in and around meetings. that is at nbc news if you want

to look at that. and sarah is calling from new york city, democrat. caller: good morning. i want to address the comments. i'm upset the new york trial is not going to go to sentencing next week, but let me address what i have heard from many trump supporters. they say it is a two tier justice system. he says it is election your appearance. i will give trump the credit that he is smart enough to jump into this election race very early. and he did that because he knew these convictions were coming down, these indictment were coming down the pipe. so this is his way of claiming election interference, but he did it. he set himself up so it would look that way. that is number one. here is the other thing on the

biden issue. remember we are not just voting for the president. we are voting for the policies they stand for. so that is what is so important. what does trump stand for? he did not answer any of the questions directed to him on the debate. he jumped around. he went back to something said before. he never answered anything directly. which is unbelievable, but you know his policies are going to be. you read that project 2025 document. listen to what steve bannon said . if it does not scare you, i do not know what will. my last comment is on people who are going to opt out from voting. 's while i support everybody right to vote for whoever they want to vote for, this will be a binary election.

if you vote for robert kennedy, if you sit out the vote, you are throwing your vote away and trump is going to win. if you're a democrat or a democrat leaning independent, please heed this warning because by not voting or voting for someone else, it is going to give it to trump. that is what i wanted to say. thank you. >> let's look at what the former house speaker said reacting to democratic concerns about president biden. >> i think it is a the general question to say is this an episode or a condition. when people ask that question, it is legitimate of both candidates. i tore up the speech what he lied to the congress on every page of his state of the union. we should be tearing up what he said the other day because it

was a pack of lies and it is hard to debate somebody when you have to undo or debunk everything they are saying. i think both candidates cannot whatever test you to put them to in terms of their mental acuity and health. both of them. host: matt in pennsylvania, good morning. caller: the question is talking about whether biden should step down or not. i am a political science major in my senior year of college. after watching the debate, i can see why. he's times, he and former president trump were not doing their best. during the debate. with biden's capacity and being a good leader, a poll was just updated saying that americans do not think the president can

continue in the oval office for another four years. there is always went to be the debate on the economy, about gas prices, about everything going on, about the world and our foreign and domestic relations that are going to cause debates between republicans and democrats. ultimately, i think with how the president's mental capacity has gone lower as time has gone on with him in office, it could be from the amount of stress that comes with the office and also before. i do say that, for anyone who has given a life of service to the american people, that is something great to have, but with president biden having to at times have the answers of questions that he is going to be asked by reporters during a press briefing or after making a

speech having to have people lead him all over the place and help him with every small thing that happens at the white house or when he is on the campaign trail, it does not show that it is a good fit for him to continue for another four years or stay on the ticket. with that said, vice president kamala harris does not have good poll numbers either. not looking at either side of the local spectrum, the vice president does not have the time and effort to put together a campaign and be able to get the amount of voters she will need to win. the same thing goes for governor gavin newsom. there is really no major player on the democratic stage that would be able to -- for president biden to finally retire. host: so you say the democrats do not have a choice and have to stick with mr. biden. >> they have to they want a fighting chance.

as of now, there is no chance no matter what. host: he did mention polling. let me show you this from cnn. it says most voters think democrats have a better chance of keeping the white house if biden is not the nominee. it says three quarters of u.s. voters say the democratic party would have a better shot at holding the presidency in 2024 with someone other than president joe biden at the top of the ticket. his approval rating has hit a new low following a shaky performance in the first debate of the presidential campaign. it says in a matchup voters nationwide favor former donald trump over biden by six points. it is identical to the results of the national poll on the presidential race in april and consistent with the lead trump has held back to last fall. so you can see here visually

here in july 2024. and it says the poll also finds vice president kamala harris within striking distance of trump in a hypothetical matchup, 47% of registered voters for trump, 45 -- it is within the margin of error suggesting there is no clear leader under such a scenario. james, new york, republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. no american, no matter what side , has talked about turning our country into a communist or -- a communist country. the bad thing about it is they forgot about the illuminati. they do not realize they are trying to take our country like

all this woke. any decent president is going to condemn woke. biden is one of the most nontransparent presidents we have ever had. he barely ever addresses the american people. even trump, being out of office, he still addresses the american people. that is what is so sad. they are trying to take our freedoms from us and these people calling in that are democrats, no wonder they are calling from all these liberal cities. they already took control of their minds. they don't realize -- they don't see us flipping more and more into socialism and communism. it is going to be a day coming when this country gets attacked and then where are they going to be? i think what they should do --

biden should lead them into a jim jones temple. host: that was james in kentucky. this is nehemiah. caller: thanks for excepting my call. i want to say one thing and get off the air because i know it is going to mean a lot. in fact, kamala harris gets in the seat because our president cannot do it and everybody is going against him in the senate, so we check this out. if harris gets in the seat, she is a hell of a prosecutor. like i said a couple months ago, once you get your foot inside the justice system you ain't

going to have too much luck because i have been there. judges and hearing it. that is it. good night. host: and ed. caller: that last caller, harris in california, her own state did not like her. her major prosecutions were all marijuana. that was what she did. that is why she had the lowest the first primary they had when biden ran in his first primary against twentysomething democrats. she got 1%. when i listen to these callers, there is no question about how the vote should go down for the president of the united states and even the house and senate seats.

the policies they keep saying are terrible. i am a conservative. if any democrat had the last four or five years the best economy in seven years in this country -- talk to any other vet. we were in no wars for the first time in 50 years in this country , almost in order. iran was strangled. just like obama. he took all the restraints off iran. their income is all oil. biden did the first weeks. he opened up the border. host: i want ask you this. this is a fox news article saying that biden bowing out of the race would hurt trump, according to steve bannon, who warns that this is the best we are ever going to get.

as you know, bannon is in federal prison now for contempt of congress, but what do you think of that perspective? on mr. biden bowing out of the race? caller: they should put him in jail right now and he has been subpoenaed. host: pat, new york, independent, good morning. are you there? john in texas, republican. >> caller: how are you today? let me try to put some perspective on the presidential elections and the supreme court appointments, which this debate seems to rage on and on forever. since fdr, there have been 51

years of democrat presidents and 40 years of republican presidents. and if you take fdr out and you go to the end of biden's term, it will be 40 years and 40 years. during that time, the democrats have selected 21 supreme court justices to sit on the court and the republicans have selected 20 want to sit on the court. the country is 50-50. it has been 50-50. 43% support the left and 43% support the right. 14% our fence sitters and they cannot make a decision one way or the other which way to go.

they keep wringing their hands, but they cannot decide if i'm a conservative or a liberal. if people would just chill out, they are going to get somebody elected and it is not going to be anybody that is going to do's anything different's. go back and look at the last 50 years of each party platforms and analyze and see what they said they would do and then do a tick mark for everything they accomplished. people, you got what you get and you get what you got. life is great. everyone is happy. otherwise, they would be voting for a third party. host: this is a text we gothat says biden or trump, i wld get both candidates to commi second debate in july. give biden a second chance to exonerat per -poor

performance. it will be clear who has the skillsad. the debate is a crucial, unscripted way to give the american people an honest evaluation for the role instead of hiding behind teleprompters and lessicers. jerry in arizona. replacing kamala with a stronger candidate? joe can be trump with a more centrist candidate. we are afraid of kamala becoming president. kamala is the weak link we shou be looking at from a pracpoinof view. rich in massachusetts. i'm a registered republican. i usually vote for republicans because theyave better team. quterback, but n cornerback can cceed of his line is no good. in trump's case, we ha an idea what his team will lke. at t of his term, nobody ntegty would serve him. cabinet was stacked with

third stringers and yes-men. that is why i am voting for biden. here is annie in maryland, democrat. caller: he is not president trump. he is former president trump and will remain former president trump before he is called prisoner trump. that is number one. why do you think the people of new york took trump's name off so many buildings? think about it, folks. because he is a disgrace. the only one that stands as trump tower, dedicated to i don't know what, but not to a human being. number three, the lady who called about being a january 6, the second most disgusting terror attack in the country, once again black lives matter and the antifa -- talking points from the extraordinary terrorist

convicted felon rapist. number four, fact checking. why don't you read fact checking, folks? number five, the people calling in describing the acuity of president biden, 27 psychiatrists backed -- back when he was running in 2016 called him a serial narcissist and psychopathic lawyer and criminal. so keep going for him. look at the people who surround him. all convicted felons and this man is going scot-free. not for much longer. host: virginia beach, virginia, republican. caller: i have a couple comments. i would like to respond to the situation with president biden.

the situation is not funny at all like some people would imply. they say that biden walks like a zombie. that is part of the brain situation. he is not in full control of his faculties. we need to tell our u.s. congress person, especially if that person is a democrat, that we can see our president is obviously impaired and must be removed before he does any more damage. people are dying because of an open border. is it it too much that food prices are inflated because of federal money spent on waste to get gratuitous woes for giveaways? do we have to watch as our country sinks lower because of biden's failed mental capacity? do not sit on your hands.

if we do not get this zombie out of office, we will be responsible along with him for further damage to the country. host: terry is next, independent line. caller: good morning. let me clear the air. perhaps no one has recognized that the supreme court, the united state supreme court has given the president carte blanche. they have made the president a dictator. since biden is now a dictator cannot we can take off the word president because president is no longer a term -- it could be a term, but at the moment he is a dictator. he has carte blanche authority. he can now, according to the

supreme court, actually assassinate his political rivals , which former president trump and all of his surrogates, all of the individuals who attacked the capital, the supreme court judges who disagreed with his policies, he has the authority to appoint his next successor, whoever he chooses. this is what this is now. democracy is over. it will never return because now the supreme court has given us a dictator. so we can forget about voting. it will not matter about voting. biden has the power to appoint whoever he desires at this moment. he can do that.

so. host: patrick, a republican, in new hampshire. caller: can you hear me? guest: yes -- host: yes. go ahead. caller: from up in new hampshire, it just came out that joe biden is losing in new hampshire 44-42. he does not even have a path to get to enough electoral votes to win now. so the debate is actually over. republicans have been saying for two or three years now there is something wrong mentally with joe biden. it is not an age thing. my grandmother's 88 years old and she watches this and she is ashamed of what is going on. it is elder abuse to have joe biden out there for a show for all of us americans to watch. that is our president. this is the big live.

they were saying trump told the big lie. this is the big lie and this is why people in america are upset and democrats are confused, like what just happened? how did that happen? we happen watching this for three years, trying to tell people there is something different between trump and biden. biden has either early onset dementia, alzheimer's, or something degenerative lay wrong with his brain at this point. he does not even know where he is half the time. host: that is all the time we have for this segment, but after the break we will get a check of gas prices as americans get ready to hit the road this fourth of july holiday. that conversation with jim burkhard of s&p global commodity insights. later, it is heather richards of e&e news on how president biden and former president trump compare on energy policy and how the u.s. became the world leader

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companies. c-span, 45 years and counting, powered by cable. >> "washington journal" continues. host: jim burkhard we are back with mobility program -- we are back with jim burkhard with s&p global commodity insights. tell us what you do. guest: we do price assessments for all sorts of energy data, the most well known in the field benchmark into research into what we think will happen in energy markets. what i do is my focus is on the oil markets. host: let's talk about gas. a lot of people will be on the

roads. aaa it shows that national average for gas is $3.50 a gallon, about the same as last year, but a dollar lower than it was in 2022. can you talk about the factors that drive the gas price and why it goes up and down? guest: the price of gasoline in the united states, the biggest reflection is what happens in the global crude oil markets in the crude price is the biggest single factor into the price of gasoline. when crude oil prices are high, after the russian invasion of ukraine, a lot of uncertainty of the russian oil sprite and cases went up that led to higher gas prices. since then, put up gone up, particularly in the united states and the crude prices are lower than they were two years ago and it explains why the prices are lower today for

gasoline compared with 2022. host: oil is what drives it or the majority of the price. oil prices hit $87 a barrel yesterday, up 1%. what is driving that? you mentioned the geopolitics. what else? guest: oil prices are up from where they were a month ago and they go up and down and will continue to do so. the reason that explains prices going up for the last month is a tighter oil market. opec plus, the partners that cooperate on oil supply have maintained their production restraints. so as demand goes up in the summer in the world which it does shoot mentioned americans driving and others driving as well and that has led to a tighter market where we are likely to see inventories for oil go down this summer.

when you have lower inventories, that tends to push prices higher and that is the dynamic underway right now. host: we are talking about global oil prices and gas prices with jim burkhard. the lines are democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001, independents (202) 748-8002. president biden -- released barrels of a gallon from the strategic reserve. what impact did it have? guest: it is a big oil market and it takes a lot to have an impact. i think the impact was not so much on the volumes, the u.s. consumes nine million barrels a day. it wasn't a massive volume but a

sign of intent that the biden administration could use the strategic petroleum reserve at some point before the election if they feel gasoline prices are getting too high. host: there is a hurricane in the caribbean as a category five storm. any impact that is having on oil prices or the supply chain. guest: it creates concern and uncertainty and it depends on where it hits and how much damage it does. i am not a meteorologist and i don't the where will hit but if it didn't go to florida and i hope it doesn't, that would have an impact on demand. if it went to the gulf coast, texas, louisiana, then the question is, does it affect the offshore oil platforms or the on short refineries or both? it creates a lot of uncertainty with regard to its path and the amount of damage that could happen. host: i want to ask you about

oil companies and the profits they are making. cnn reported this and this is a quote that says "the top five u.s.-based oil and gas by market cap, exxonmobil, chevron, conoco and others have raked inor than 200 $50 billion in profits betwee 2021 and 2023, 160 percenju compared to the first three years of the pro-big oil trump administration. guest: oil prices are cyclical. they go up and down. when prices go up, that tends to help oil profits. when you compare 2020 with 2022, the price of oil was $40. not a good year for oil companies. 2022, the average price was $100, and reflects the uncertainty with the invasion of

ukraine. if you know what the price is oil is going to be, you have a pretty good idea of where profits will be. so i think 2020 and 2020 examples of the impact -- 2022 provide examples of that impact. host: they have been pushing to lower fossil fuels for oil prices have been breaking records. guest: the u.s. produces more oil than any country has in history. and the big reason is why the prices came down after the russian invasion. what drives u.s. production and the u.s. is in in the world. you don't have one national oil company, we have many private and publicly held companies and what really affects how they invest is the oil price. it is as simple as that. when oil prices are high, that

tends to lead to more investment, production. when they are low it is the opposite. the u.s. oil industry is really responsive to changes in the oil price. if there is a de facto regulator of production, it is not the president or congress or state owned company, but the price of oil. host: let's take calls. roland in ellicott city, maryland. you are first. caller: you just trump keeps claiming that he is going to drill and drill. nobody is interested about the only reason why we had no gas prices was because of covid and nobody was driving. and you want to -- that is the

reason gasoline is high now. about drill, drill, drill from trump. that is why have very little coming in. host: ok. guest: complained about prices during covid, every driver knows the price is and it is the relative change within our memory. so if you were to take inflation related gasoline prices come up quite a bit lower than they were 10 years ago. but if you compare to two years ago, it is lower. if you compare it to covid, it is higher. it depends on the psychology of the consumer and what gasoline

price they remember paying and how does that compare with today. it is important to look back at 20 22, 1 story is comparing it to covid year it was a different story. host: he mentioned i don't know if you could call it a policy of drill baby drill. what if there was a change in administration and what would that do? guest: the oil price is the single most important factor. the president can impact energy policy and oil policy but it is probably more of a medium to longer term issue. a president can decide to offer more leases in the offshore gulf of mexico or to encourage more drilling on federal land. those are not things that won't necessarily impact production in the next year. whoever wins in november is probably not going to have that big of an impact on production. you go out three to six years,

the president can indirectly impact oil production. host: joe in west plains, missouri, republican. caller: gas here is at $3.05 and just went up from two dollars 95 since to $2.99. how much does a gas station get on a gallon of gas? five or six cents? let's not forget the traders on the floor of the chicago board of options exchange, and the marketmakers on the floor trading oil and commodities, there is a lot to do with the price of anything. and is it true that a barrel of oil is 38 gallons or 39. could you explain that? guest: last question i will tackle first. a barrel of crude oil art

gasoline is 42 gallons. so when it comes to gas station profits, it depends on the location and where they are, just like any retail businesses. some locations will be more profitable than others. and for a lot of locations, the profits they make are not necessarily from selling gasoline but the other things that they sell. it is a competitive business. there is not to many businesses where you see the price in big numbers right on the road. for most of the products you don't see that. they are keenly in tune with it. there is a lot of competition. if you see a lot of price for gasoline and a couple blocks away it is lower, you will probably go to that. profits really depend on a number of other factors like locations and other things that a retailer would sell. host: talk about locations. aaa listed the most expensive place for gas, california at the

top and then least expensive with mississippi being at $2.91. how does that work? obviously there are cost-of-living differences what impact does that happen on the cost of gas? guest: it is logistics. most of the refining capacity in this country is along the gulf coast, texas, louisiana, mississippi. so it is a much smaller transportation cost. a lot of the gasoline that comes to the northeast has to go on a pipeline so you have to pay for the pipeline to get it from the gulf coast up to maryland or new york or wherever you are in the northeast. the concentration of refining capacity in the gulf region really explains why that is such a competitive price in that area. california is unique. they have special formulas related to controlling pollution which makes the price of gasoline more expensive than the rest of the country.

host: david in new york, independent line. caller: i am glad you brought up the strategic oil reserves because i know it is an election year and the price of oil is a huge problem and inflation is a problem for democrats. you talk about only so much was released but like the guy was saying about the traders, when you release a chunk of oil, you can pana this everything is derivative. you can panic the options market by releasing oil. get the thing that concerns me is saudi arabia has moved over to the bricks. what do you think about that. i am curious as to how they are siding with russia and china and not saudi arabia, probably

because they are afraid of russian sanctions. guest: a lot in those questions. the first one, it is good to remind ourselves, it is a global oil market. over $100 million -- 100 million barrels of oil consumed. the u.s. is the largest consumer but no one can exert unilateral influence or control over the price of oil. any u.s. president wants gasoline prices to be lower rather than higher, but there is a mixed degree of success on that because it is difficult to control. when it comes to saudi arabia and the u.s., i would argue that u.s.-saudi relationships are acting good -- actually pretty good, given what could have transpired after october 7, the war in gaza. the u.s. and saudi arabia have made progress towards developing an agreement, a security agreement that may involve other

factors with regard to israel. in some ways, the u.s.-saudi relationship i was a is probably better than it was a couple years ago. brazil russia china india, very important market. very important politically but it is not a monolithic entity. if you look at china and india, are the allies? no. they share some common interests, yes, but a lot where they diverge. so collectively a lot of population in importance but not a monolithic block that moves in one direction or another. it is a far cry from something like nato. it is not even a trading -- treaty organization. host: president biden had asked opec plus countries to increase oil production to bring down the price of gas. how did they respond? guest: a u.s. president, whether

democrat or republican, always probably want more production out of opec or opec plus. those countries have their own international sovereign interests and if you go back in time before opec plus, there was the texas commission that regulated production. opec plus, they don't want prices too low or too high. so when they make their decisions, it is based on their read of the markets and their own national interest and their actions by continuing their current production constraint reflect that. i don't want to get too deep into oil market analysis, but opec plus announced they are aiming to increase production later this year and next. that is a big change, because if they do that, it would be the first increase in oil production from opec plus in about two years. host: i am sure president biden

wants that before the election before or after. guest: any u.s. president would like that. host: allen in east chicago, illinois, democrat. caller: thank you for taking my call and i thoroughly enjoy this show. two questions i wanted to ask that i am confused about. i agree come most presidents want opec countries to increase production. it is it true that back in 2020 around with covid, they cut back on using a lot of gas, was there a price war also going on between opec plus countries and russia over the oil production? saudi arabia wanted to cut back because people weren't using as much but russia wanted to push out more because they needed money for something, i don't

know. is it true they got into a price war with ableist -- both increased production and the price was down $24 a barrel? on top of that, did donald trump make a call to saudi arabia and russia where no he got them to and the price for but got them to agree to cut production by over 900,000 barrels a day. that is one question i wanted to ask. the second question i wanted to ask is 2022, when the price of gas went up, i know it is oil that regulates but refineries set the price of gas after they buy the oil in the second quarter of 2022 the price of gas was five dollars to seven dollars a gallon in there was some concern about russia and

ukraine, but russia kept producing oil and the price of a barrel came down. the price of gas went up. the oil companies made the biggest profits ever in 2022 which to meet says they have no problem paying for oil. it was just that overpriced gas. host: let's get some answers. guest: give a good memory when it comes to 2020. when covid first hit in china and it really became pronounced in january and february. it wasn't clear if it was being spread around the world. in early march, opec plus met and said should be cut production are not. there was a lack of agreement about how serious covid was or was going to be. no one knew in early march how hard it was going to hit. so there was disagreement within opec plus about how much to cut or not.

that disagreement did the two the lack of any agreement and what we saw was saudi arabia and other opec plus countries increased production dramatically without an agreement. that lasted for march and april. in fact, for oil traders, it was april 20, the price of oil was negative can you believe that? that is how oversupplied the market was. that did lead to opec plus agreement and president trump at the time did play a role in helping facilitate communication between some of the major powers. so i want to say -- i won't say he is responsible but i think it is clear he certainly did play a role in its coming about. the other question about refineries, in 2022, there was less refined gas than there was in 2019.

you are right, the amount of refining capacity played a role in the oil market and gasoline prices but because of covid, the oil market demands 20% in the spring of 2020. it was devastating. negative oil prices, paying someone to take your oil, wow. we saw some refineries close. in 2022 refined capacity than there was before covid and we were recovering from covid, the world was recovering and gasoline was -- demand was increasing and you have the russia-ukraine war that put upward pressure on gasoline and that is what happened in 2022. host: steve in anaheim, california, republican. caller: the question is, how much is regulation on wall street playing a price --

playing a role in the price of oil. since i am not -- in the west coast and there is not a population, we rely on foreign oil to be refined. the refineries are basically the problem as well because they are closing down refineries and deliberately driving up the price of gas. i can go across the border and by gas project -- two dollars a gallon, get if i come across the border in california, it is five dollars a gallon. but mexico's guest is refined in the united states. that is it for me. guest: this is a perennial question in the oil market and the commodity markets. speculators driving up the price?

you don't have an open liquid market without speculators. it is about allocating risk. the first market in chicago in the 19th century is about farmers wanting to offload risk to people who were willing to take it. you need speculators to have a market. if you don't have them, it doesn't exist. that can intensify a trend, yes. market psychology is crucial. you think the price is going to go higher or do you think it is going to go lower? in any market, market expectations play a critical role. so speculators do not set the price of oil but there can be times when a certain psychology may take hold. just like in the stock market, where prices can go up or down and that can be intensified with speculative behavior. but speculators do not set the price of oil, gasoline and they

play a critical role in the functioning of the market. host: diane in morristown, new jersey asks, what was the impact of drilling being halted on public land? guest: i won't say it has been halted, but there have been some restrictions put on land and drilling on federal land. so far, as of right now, it is tough to say it has an discernible impact. the u.s. is producing any -- more than anyone in history. in the years ahead, three to five years, restrictions on drilling in some places could begin to maybe have an impact on production. but so far, it is difficult to see that when the u.s. is producing more oil than it ever has before. host: richard, seaside, oregon,

independent. caller: i was wondering why he was not telling the american public the truth. the russia -- russian republic and trump have done away with most things for the people of the united states. i call him a russian republican because he is a friend of putin's. the reality of oil is they make $200 billion last year. they are still going after more. that is a record amount. year after year, it is not a democratic problem, it is an american problem and it is going to get worse as long as russian republicans are in control. do you have a solution for that? also, what about the chevron? why was the chevron act pitched? could you explain why we that in the first place #thank you.

guest: the chevron act, a supreme court decision and i am not a legal expert and not the best person to answer that so i'm not going to answer that. i am not sure there was a question in there. i understand the point you are making but i would just argue that the global oil market is global. there is no one who controls it. when oil prices are high, profits are high and that attracts a lot of attention. when oil prices are low, like 2015, 316 or 2020, that doesn't get a lot of attention. we certainly understand why. the key is oil is cyclical. it always has. from the first run of the well in pennsylvania in 1800, prices have always gone low and high. i think the dynamic of profitability versus less profitability will continue. companies make a lot of graphics

and that makes attention host: joseph in fayetteville, northarolina want you to address the effects on the market of the russia war, would you have. he also talks about the heat dome over the central united states. guest: the heat dome is having an impact on electricity demand. if you have air conditioning, you are probably using it. i think it does have an impact on electricity consumption through greater use of air conditioning. oil is not used to generate power, very little is used to generate power in the united states or even globally. so probably the heat and cold weather tends to have more of an impact on natural gas which is a very important and large source of power generation in the united states. host: jim burkhard vice president s&p global commodity insights and head of research for oil prices, energy and

mobility. thanks so much. guest: thank you. host: up next, we will talk with heather richards from ead news about how -- e and e news about the former president and the president and the oil discussion. and a discussion with andrew friedman about climate change. that is all coming up. ♪ >> friday night, watch c-span's 2024 campaign trail, a weekly roundup of c-span's campaign coverage, providing a one-stop shop to watch candidates across the country are saying to voters in first-hand accounts of of political reports. we will talk to the officials at

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boom in the u.s. oil production. what is going on there? guest: president biden promised on the campaign trail he was going to cut down drilling on public land, the oil place a president can touch the production is on public land. so he came into office and had a very early the climate agenda and going to do something about all of the oil we use and didn't do that. it was hard for them. they had a big court loss early on. they have touched where you see how much is coming out of the ground. they backed off on that, they did dilatory reform and those things but when it comes to production, the biden administration is not done much terrain that in. they had a more long time thinking which is fully make

some changes now in the long term we might have less drawing on public land. but as far as what comes out right now, the administration hasn't done much area -- much. host: this is the u.s. energy administration admission -- it is the u.s. energy situation showing oil from the top three global producers, the united states, saudi arabia, and russia , according to millions of barrels per day, it is showing the united states is the biggest producer of oil, beating both of those. some people could be surprised at that. what do you make of that? guest: i think a lot of people who maybe are not following this every day or every year think of it in terms of the political cycle, who is in the white house

but the reality is, we have been going on oil production for a while. we just made huge strides to produce more from what we have two hydraulic fracturing, something that has been quite controversial and has been quite successful in the sense that it has gotten a lot of my oil out of the ground. we have long wells that stretch for miles underground was on tilly and they just take out a lot of oil. what that has mixed -- for miles underground and they just take out a lot of oil. they are not concerned about how much oil can make. we make a tremendous amount of oil is because we have become really good at doing it. there might that the reality is

we are good at producing oil and more than we ever have before. host: we are talking about energy policy and production with heather richards who is a reporter with e&e news. if you would to join us, call (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001 for republicans, (202) 748-8002 for independents. where is the oil production happening in the u.s. peshmerga is it public, private, offshore? guest: postproduction happens on private land and some state land. you have a tremendous amount of oil that comes out of texas. i think everyone knows that. it has been the truth for a long time and still is the truth. north dakota produces a lot of oil. you have a lot on federal land, 20 4% produced is coming from federal land for the oceans

which are overseen by the u.s. government. you have the gulf of mexico is huge, a ton of oil coming out of the gulf. you have a ton coming out of mexico -- new mexico and wyoming. it comes from different areas, states like new mexico, wyoming, oklahoma read also important states. host: what has been the most significant energy policy change in the biden administration? guest: is a good question. i think we just thinking about when a guest on federal land, the most significant thing they have done is lease a lot less. leasing process, you have these sales and in order to drill on federal land across the coastline, you have to get a lease from the federal government. that is where the federal

government gets its money, they have a royalties and get fees from the lease options but it is pretty much private developers that go on the oceans and private land into other drilling. the first stop to getting a well at some point in the picture is you have to participate in that auction. that was the one area where a president has a lot of latitude in what they can do in the biden administration has dropped off that considerably. in the next five years they made a schedule for how many options they will have, they scheduled just three. during the obama administration, the schedule was about a dozen. in years past it has been several dozen. they have scaled way back in terms of how much access to drilling companies have to federal assets for oil and gas here that has complications years down the road in terms of how much oil is coming out of these places. the companies think long term and can plan around having fewer

lease sales in the ocean. smaller companies maybe don't have that kind of latitude to say, we will buy one and this one sale we have a chance at is more difficult. there is a possibility in the biden administration liked this that will be less drilling in the future. host: switching to natural gas, a federal judge in louisiana set the energy department policy on natural gas exports on hold. can you explain what this means and what it means for going forward? guest: the natural gas exports is really important in terms of how people think about our contribution to the global gas market in the future. it is not my specific area of expertise but it is very important in terms of how we see the u.s. contributing

internationally, especially something we think about after the russian invasion on ukraine that upset supply of gas and where it comes from. the pause i think is think a lot of people look at as kind of an election year move. the biden administration has made a lot of promises on climate. when you look at the u.s. as a big exporter of fossil fuel, it is something that i am an activist and environmental groups will get with skepticism. there is a possibility that tapping the brakes a little bit insane let's look at this and the climate impacts of what we are doing has not promised to fundamentally change what happens next in terms of applet is something that gives a little bit of a nod to people who did not want us exporting and so much involved in supplying the world with crude oil or natural gas. it is more of saying come we

will take a look at this as opposed to we are going to stop and something different. host: kenneth is up first in escanaba, michigan, independent. caller: producing so much oil, what is the policy to replacing the oil in the strategic reserve loss that we have had lately? also, do you think there will be any changes at cnn after the -- he spent after the cnn people take charge? host: go ahead. guest: i can't speak to c-span. but i think the plan is to refill the spr. exactly when that happens and how i don't know. that was set up and your former guest may have spoken to it. that was set up decades ago to make sure the u.s. is no longer

beholden to the east for oil supplies. we address our crises when it comes to the future and those are not the ones that, but it was important post-pandemic when we had global oil markets and enough oil. releasing that into the market so you have prices come down the choice they made, you refill it when prices are low if you are doing. you buy that back and put it back into the reserves. so for some of the spr was an interesting choice. it is important to remember that having those reserves was something that we did at a time when we were not the number one

producer of oil in the world. it comes from a period of time that we were very nervous and insecure about our ability to provide energy inside the united states if the middle east countries, any of them wanted to withhold that was a critical time in different time than we are in now. so yes refilling is a policy decision that will come out of the white house but in terms of being worried that we don't have a reserve, personally, i am not worried about that. they're in carolina, republican. -- larry carolina, republican. cindy in syracuse, new york, independent. caller: i wondered what former

president trump would do if he gets in about drill baby drill. what would he do as far as gas and oil production. guest: i think a second trump administration would be similar to the first when it comes to oil and gas, which is lots of support for the industry when it comes to federal land for the only place a president can influence what happens, you'll probably see more leasing and open-door leasing. in the same way the biden administration has not been able to curtail production because it is ultimately private companies that do that and you don't stand in the way of permitting, you get in legal trouble if you do, you can't directly influence how much oil is coming out of the ground in the moment. the same is true for the trump

administration if they come back into power. if president doesn't decide how much comes out so it is a problem for somebody who wants less to, or more to come out. the biggest thing for donald trump would be probably going after the regulations the biden administration has been put in place. that is significant which is focusing particularly new oil in places that maybe at oil in the past and not distribute new land and trying to put oil in places where there is high potential for oil so you are trying at certain places not have oil and gas development and other places you will. a lot of things they will be busy in trying to undo what the biden administration has done. but release oil and gas that was a promise the former president, that is something he couldn't do. it has to do with how many leases there are in the world

stage in terms of how much oil is coming from the saudi's and opec which affects the price. the president can talk a big game and the former president can talk a big game and could have a big impact in some ways, but in terms of making production, that won't really be in his hands. host: want to get your reaction to the reporting from the washington post from may with the headline, what trump promised oil ceos as he asked them to steer $1 billion to his campaign. it says he will scrap president bidens policies on electric vehicles and wind and others opposed by fossil fuel industry. guest: is our big promises. those are definitely things that he could do and be quite influential. a lot of the offshore wind development folks are nervous about a second trump administration because he has been so adamant that do it.

many are big oil companies have a history in oil because they have and that's when the money is pretty former resident doesn't -- president doesn't like the policies and he could slow down leasing and holding fewer sales for offshore wind leases. on the regular front, the former president did undo some of the things the biden administration has done. i think he that in that story he talks about is higher -- ire for the inflation reduction act. also focus on how are you reducing the need for those tools. the reason we have them is that

we are very dependent on them. say, focus billions of dollars on giving us alternatives like offshore wind and electric vehicles instead of gasoline powered vehicles, that was a big part of what the biden administration hung its hat on, this is what we achieved, even though it capitol hill. going after that in any way is significant. i don't know how successful he would be. that depends on congress, but going after any pieces of that has ripple effects, the very least of undermining the legacy the biden administration wants to have. host: chris in new mexico, democrat. caller: good morning. my connection isn't real good so i will take my answer off air. could you address the increase in bonding requirements for drilling on public lands and also why the biden

administration increase the royalty rate on production? thank you. guest: so that came out of the inflation reduction act of 2022 and the biden administration put that in regulation and enacted by congress. we had a big jump in the royalty rate which is how much oil and gas companies pay when they produce oil and gas on federal land and offshore. it had been a long time and royalty rates on state lands and private land had risen in the last hundred years during so it went from 12.5% 15%. they set that higher for a 10 year period and then we can reassess that but also bonding is how much oil and gas

companies have to set aside or secure in insurance before they drill. if they were to go bankrupt or something would happen, that money would be set aside in the federal government can pull that and use that to do cleanup which can be very costly, so the biden administration did increase bonding as well quite significantly. those bonds were set years ago. so the amount that drillers have to lay down is much higher. that is the case offshore and just coming into effect now the biden administration for drillers who don't have it in of oil reserve and don't have a strong credit rating which is a lot the smaller midsized firms in the gulf of mexico. if they don't have that, then it is like pulling a supplemental

bond, a significant sum of money . all in all, we don't have a lot of bonding in place. certainly a fraction of what it would cost to clean up everything out there. the federal government does not have very much of that income percent to the cost. so this new change would increase that significantly. there has been a lot of pushback to say you are really going to put people out of business and maybe that is what you want they are maybe arguing that the biden administration wants to knock some of those out of make it just a couple folks, the bigger drillers and numerous small drillers. those are things the biden administration has done and can have a significant impact on what we have in the future. host: david is in los angeles, an independent. caller: had a few fun facts.

it was joe biden by executive order approved oil drilling in alaska called the willow project $8 billion conocophillips oil drilling project. also, joe biden released oil from the strategic oil reserves and sold it on the open market at 90 some dollars a barrel. from what i understand, he is replenishing that oil back to the reserve at $70 a barrel, which means he netted a profit in the millions of dollars that they made a profit. also, because of joe biden's inflation reduction act, the chips act, the infrastructure built, they renamed the midwest the battery belt. there is a more lithium iron batteries in those states were ever -- more than ever and are

starting to move that from the united states -- ask for that from the united states. i think joe biden is one of friendly presidents and also renewable energy. that is -- something people ought to think about. host: heather? guest: thank you. i cannot speak to the batteries but the project in northern alaska was a big thing for climate activists in particular who opposed it and fought hard to get the biden restriction to reverse it. but ultimately the biden administration approve the project. it is a large project. on the world stage of the u.s. the stage in terms of how much production that is, it is not that much but for a single project, 30 years of development, it is and it was really supported by alaska leadership and they also

pressured the biden administration to make sure that was approved. it is a big black eye to the biden administration terms of the oil record read in reality, i think it would've been difficult for them to stand in the way. conocophillips has a right to drill on that land and got the leases along time ago and there isn't much of a record of the u.s. government successfully pulling back the drilling rights once they have sold them. it is very tricky. one thing we have seen from the biden administration early on as they had big goals raining in drilling or big promises in the first came into office. and then tapped the brakes. they had a pause on leasing the first year in office, a few months later you have a court decision that said you can't do this and they backed off and went back to leasing where they leased a lot less but since that

loss you have seen them say, we are going to focus on regulatory -- regulatory changes and how we can release only in certain areas and try to shrink the footprint of the federal oil and gas program. they done almost nothing in terms of stopping the actual flow of oil. the will is one thing that will last for three decades that came out of the biden administration and is on the record. host: we have a question for you from florida, please explain the impact of president de shutting down the stone xl pipeline that everyone said kill the economy and jobs. guest: if you kill a construction project to kill some jobs. so the pipeline is not important to the u.s. production. it is just a conduit, and expansion of pulling canadian oil down south. it certainly was a big

instruction project. a lot of jobs online. date string together contracts to make a living and if you have a contract or hope for a contract to work on that pipeline and you have to find a job somewhere else in terms of it being important for u.s. duction or gas rises of those things, it was minimal in terms of impact. host: last can, a republican. -- last call is ken, a republican. caller: the policy coming in was to oil and gas production. the industry gave power to opec again, the drill baby drill policy and lord oil prices to

$50 approximately and cut the power of -- policy and lord oil prices to $50 approximately and cut the power to russian or could not afford to fight the war and $50 oil under trump. but when biden came in, he created the hundred dollar oil scenario and worship could afford to create the word. so biden's policy and energy created the russia-ukraine four. wars are fought over oil. host: what do you think? guest: i think it is a common misconception that the administration did something to bring down oil prices and the biden.

your former guest could probably dig into this better but the prices at the end of the administration in the beginning of the biden administration were talking about the pandemic. shut down oil prices to less than zero, the first time in history that you had it fall below zero and it was because of the pandemic people were flying or driving and so there was less drilling. in the economy came back online, you don't have the production that you would have had and you don't have enough oil and that shoots the price way up because you need it and you don't have it. so what happens during the trump administration did not affect the price of oil. what happened the biden administration has not affected the price of oil. so i think the thing i would

really want to remind people and encourage people to think about when all the things you see on the news and the headlines make you think differently. remember that president do not control how much oil comes from the ground. that doesn't mean what they do is not important. it is important but it is not the case at the trump administration did something that kept four prices low. that's not true. it's not true in the biden administration did something that intro prices up it's not how it works. host: that's heather richards, energy reporter for e&e news. up next, with severe events on the rise, we'll discuss climate policy with andrew freedman of axios. we'll be right back. ♪ announcer: watching c-span's

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expect a strong storm to form at this time of year. it's usually pretty hostile to hurricanes. east of the islands that make up the lesser an teals, the ocean is relative cool. you have dry air at this time of the year. and hurricanes don't really thrive in that environment. however, this season is unlike any that we've ever seen. there is record warm waters with, including the caribbeans. and there's an event that's develop negative tropical pacific which further enhances the chances for an above normalcy -- in the atlantic. and beryl really drove home in a number of records it broke and the type of records that it broke. weakened category five is the strongest category five storm

we've ever seen in july no matter where you look in the atlantic. so, it is an exceptional storm in its own right and it is a warning that when conditions are right in the atlantic this season, really exceptional event and really dangerous events can be the result. host: can you talk a little bit more about the relationship between climate change and extreme weather events? guest: yeah. so what we're learning more and more every day is climate change that's already shown up in our daily weather events. it is you can say certain things about certain phenomenon, but not all. so it's hurricanes. we know that they are intensifying faster and jumping greater distances than they used

to in terms of categories. hurricane beryl, for example, set a record for june hurricane rapid intensification, going from category -- basically a tropical depression to category four in one day. we also know with great confidence that heat waves are becoming more common and more intense, longer duration. they're longer lasting. in some cases, we view, found through studies that climate change made previously impossible events possible for the first time. and that is not just the united states but around the world.

we saw downing pours in -- downpours in miami and fort lauderdale where you get a couple months of rainfall in a matter of hours. and it comes out as precipitation. and hurricanes are heat engines. they feed off of the warm waters. so as water temperatures are going up, hurricanes have more vulnerability to take advantage of that. host: and you mentioned the extreme heat around the united states. what other extreme weather events are you tracking? guest: so right now on the extreme heat front, i would say there is something remarkable going on right now and remarkable is positive. right now, there's 110 million americans under some type of heat warning or advisory.

the south central states in the south are really baking in high humidity heat. but the more remarkable that the more severe event that i've seen that we're going to be hearing about more and more in the coming days, it is coming in the west, in california, oregon, eventually up into washington state and nevada. we're going to be seeing about two weeks or more of record-high temperatures and higher -- and escalating wildfire risk. we've already seen one destructive fire near orzo, california, and we'll probably unfortunately be seeing more. but we're talking highs in the inland california. for example, sacramento, for the 110's. that gets more and more dangerous as you're exposed to more and more heat, especially if you don't have access to

cooling, that can be deadly. if you do not get relief over all of these nights in a row where temperatures just aren't dropping below the mid to upper 70's or even 80 degrees. so this is uncatchable for california. they're using terms like lethal, life-threatening, that sort of thing. there is something extreme going on there right now. and we're watching beryl to see where it ultimately goes. there's a chance that it goes into southwest texas a tropical storm a hurricane attending on how it encounters the mexican yucatan peninsula first.

host: we are speaking with andrew freedman of axios. if you've got a question about climate change or weather event, give us a call. our lines are regional this time. you can also text us your comments at 202-748-8003. and we are watching our social media feeds as well. andrew, i wanted to ask you about what president biden said yesterday. he announced new measures in the wake of these extreme weather events and then get your reaction. guest: yeah, so the central part of it there, were two central parts of his announcement. one is they're really trying to -- recommendation a new osha regulation, so the occupational safety and health administration, to try to do federal rules to protect

employee health on the job against extreme heat. there's been a number of states that have actually outlawed such rules at the state level, florida and texas being the two biggest examples. and people are dying on the job when it is extremely hot out. think of like cultural workers, think of construction workers. the regulations would not apply to first responders, to firefighters and, you know, e.m.t.'s, but it would apply to people who are working in warehouses without air-conditioning. it would apply to other categories of people and require employers to have plans for cooling, to install certain systems to give people breaks. and allow people to climatize themselves, to hotter weather on the job rather than just

throwing them into a first of all scorching situation without getting used to it. so that was one pillar of his announcement that they are putting forward with this regulation. it's probably not going to be finalized. they're trying to finalize it during his first term. but whether or not it, you know, meets legal challenges, they're quite likely. so we'll see where it goes from here. but that is an attempt to for the first time, have a federal regulations over heat safety. the other one is with they announced another $1 billion trench of money for a program called brick, which is a fema program that's trying to proactively make communities more resilience in the face of extreme weather events. and they're also trying to get

fema to take into account future flooding rose and not just base it on the climate of the past, which what is we did for a long time. we just looked at what was 100-year flood up until this point. and that climate really is gone. we're in a different climate zone now. and will be going into the future and you have to take that into account whether you're funding a new bridge or a safety center in a new town, etc. so this money is going out to hundreds of communities across the country to try to make them more resilient. host: let's take a look at what the president said yesterday about this topic. pres. biden: look, extreme weather events drive home a point that i've been saying for so long. ignoring climate change is deadly and dangerous and irresponsible.

these climate fuel and weather events don't just affect people's lives, they hurt the economy and they have a significant negative psychological effect on people. last year, the largest weather-related disaster cost over $90 billion in damages in americans. that's the cost so far last year. it drove 2.5 million people out of their home. in each case costing lives and costing money. and the impact is going to get more worse, more frequent and more ferocious in our most vulnerable people in the most hardest hit communities the world. look, you know, we can change all of that. it's in our power. we have five new actions that my administration is taking to address extreme weather including heat and over hazards.

but first, the department of labor is making a new rule and it will establish the in addition's first ever federal safety standard for excessive heat in the workplace. including rest breaks, access to shade and water. you think we would have to tell people access to shade and water. i mean, gradually remove employees to the heat environment. workers suffer heatstroke or even die just doing their job. this new rule will reduce heat injuries, illness and deaths for over 36 million workers whom it will apply from farm workers to construction workers, postal workers, manufacturing workers and so much more. host: and andrew, the president also mentioned the rising costs of extreme weather events. noaa has this on their website.

a historic year of u.s. billion dollar, fifth warmest year in record for the continued u.s. you've also written about the rising cost of weather events. guest: yeah. and part of that, first of all, the $90 billion tally is really uninsured losses. that's actually an undercount of the cost, the total costs to the economy. when you count up lost wages and other categories. so, i mean, the california insurance politician just did a study on seven heat waves that have just hit the state and found over 400 deaths which --

but what we're seeing is two trends, really we're seeing more extreme weather events, not all extreme weather events are increasing in intensity and in frequency but a number of them are being affected. and we're also seeing more and more built and structure in harm's way. so, when you put those two trends together, it makes for a more expensive -- it makes for more expensive disaster losses. host: i was just going to say let's talk to dennis in melbourne, florida. caller: good morning. thank you, mr. freedman. i give you a little bit of background. i am a republican, somewhat to the right of -- but i am not a

climate didn'ter. i believe -- denier. i believe in climate change. what i disagree with you whether it's man made or natural. that's been changing ever since the last ice age, but i wanted to point out an anomaly that occurred in florida in 2004. they were hit with four hurricanes, which to my knowledge was unprecedented in recorded history, causing a lot of damage. but there was an entire decade thereafter that there were no hurricanes that hit florida landfall. that was the year before katrina in 2005. but we had no hurricanes for an entire decade, yet all of the

climate alarmist in 2004 pointed the four hurricanes and said see, this means we're in dire straits. yet, nobody ever said or explained why we went for an entire decade without another landfall hurricane. yes, there are anomalies like the ones occurring now in the bahamas, but it's an anomaly, and it is climate change. i agree. i disagree that we can do much about it though we should. another point, yes there, are more people living in harm's way, but you have to normalize the costs, for example, hurricane camille in the 1960's caused a tremendous amount of damage, but property values and

the people living on the coastline were much less than today. host: ok, dennis. let's take that up. guest: yeah. so you made a couple of good points. 2004 was a banner year for major hurricanes in florida. there was one county in florida that was actually saw the eye go over the eye of four separate storms go over that county. that was an alarming year. 2005, florida was hit by a hurricane. katrina did hit florida as a category one. but we had a gap in major hurricanes, meaning categories three or above, making landfall in the u.s. what was happening was they were occurring, they were forming but they were staying out at sea. and there really isn't a way to when we're predicting the seasonal outlook to first of all

predict how trouble the events are for a hurricane landfall. i can say that a season that looks as active in this one has higher odds of seeing a major hurricane landfall in the united states and that accounts for the most monetary losses. but the trends are very clear in terms of that just because, you know, we're not seeing landfalling storms does not mean that these storms are not occurring or that they're not affected by climate change. and scientist who is, you know, are starting out saying well, maybe that hypothesis is there isn't much of an impact on these

giant storms, like -- the biggest storms and most intense storms lie, how are we really affecting those? and then they look at the data and they have all come away saying they are trends. and some of the signal has been emerging earlier than estimatings had preferably suggested at least in the atlantic edition. host: next call in indiana. hi, paul. caller: i have a question. noaa said that the sunspot activity indicate the amount of solar output this year was

expecting 24 shun spots. they actually had 40. i was wondering is that activity from the sun actually stacking on some other normal activity making this season for the perfect storm, if you will. guest: yeah, it's a good question and we all saw that, you know, massive aurora display occur a month or so ago with a solar flare. we are at solar max. however, the impact on the hurricane season really are minimal at best. and, you know, experts looking at this, they're saying it's really minimal at best in terms

of its impacts on global average temperature trends. part of the reason for that is that the signal is overpowering it a huge degree and part of it is just that the solar cycle on this time scale doesn't have that much of a control knob on the planet climate. host: gary, montgomery, texas, you're next. caller: good morning, andrew, thank you. i'm just really curious within the last say 50 years, if there's any data regarding how many nuclear testings have taken place in the oceans around the world by the military complexes supporting the different various countries. it seems to me like within the last 20 years, all you hear about is north korea use the

ocean as a toilet based and you've got countries all over the world that are doing this and you never hear anything about it and then you wonder why the waters are so hot. you've got nuclear reaction coming out of the oceans with all this stuff. that's got to go somewhere. and nothing's ever said about that you talk about our cars and everything else. yeah, they all played a part in this but they're literally poisoning us through the waters instead of the air. and that's -- i don't know. i've been thinking about this for a while and it just doesn't make any sense why it's never looked at. host: all right, gary. go ahead, andrew. guest: most of the tests that north korea has done has not been with live nuclear warheads, fortunately. it's not having an impact on the oceans overall. the oceans have heat up very

slowly. it's absorbing more than 90% of the heat and trapped by national gases. it's really us that's doing this and it's not nuclear testing. the u.s. is not testing in ocean ranges like in the south pacific. and other countries haven't been either. so, the missile tests notwithstanding, you know, that's just not something that the scientists have that climate scientists have shown really with how -- impact i understand the thought and interest debris, donald trump at some point during his presidency actually as axios reported at the time actually asked his -- say --

[indiscernible] disrupt the hurricane and the answer was we've actually thought about that. and no. the answer's no. host: nick in washington. caller: thank you. host: go ahead, nick. caller: good morning. so i just want to ask the guest if he's familiar with the tonga eruption that blasted an unprecedented amount of water into the stratosphere. that's the article's title on august 2, 2022. the eruption was january 15, 2022. it introduced 146 territory grams -- territory grams of water vape in the air. they did say it would affect surface temperatures in 2023.

i know they like to downplay the water vape but as scientists know, it's much stronger than co2 does. guest: every climate scientist that i know -- the debate is really over how much of an influence that terrapins is having particularly on the exceptional temperatures we saw in 2023 going into 2024.

the bottom line is not a major reason why 2023 was the hottest year on record and 2024 is quite possibly going to eclipse it. it's not as if that volcanic eruption had no impact. it did. and the question is how big? and the answer is still under -- it's still a topic of active research. host: all right, about andrew freedman from axios. thank you for joining us. guest: thank you. host: next, it's more of your phone calls and open forum.

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lynn's up first in silver springs, maryland, a democrat. hi, lynn. caller: hi, thank you very much, mimi, i really appreciate you and c-span. i'm sorry i missed andrew. i was going to ask him if he was aware of and if not, if he would please check into the remember the b.p. oil spill in the gulf of mexico around 2010? host: yep. caller: a gentleman matt simmons who was an international investor, he had offices around the world. him and the senator were going to have a press conference on monday morning because they were going to use -- and he wanted to warn not to use -- remember they tried to stick toys in the hole and nothing worked? the reason was it would travel down the west coast to florida and around key west and on up

the east coast and when it hit the arctic, with even the slightest degree of increased in water temperature would begin ice melt. they were going so have a press conference sunday morning. the senator died on plane crash sunday. matt simmons had a in his hot tub up in northeast wherever one of his homes was. and so that never got out. they used it. there was a huge no-fly zone. i've been off the internet since 2017, but he said that could cause sea level rise worldwide and it could be globally catastrophic.

if the use of crexit is part of this, we have an even bigger problem. and one that i don't think there are enough ice cubes to solve president. host: lori, halifax, pennsylvania, republican. caller: hello. good morning. host: good morning. caller: i would like to reference the trump-biden debate. how could a person watch that debate and not understand what trump relay to the american people? much of the time during the debate after biden would speak, trump had that precious time deflating the lies biden just told. it was purely evident. we're watching biden as a clown in this world circus. in biden's 51 years, he has stood nothing but corruption. if you can't see it or believe it, you are 100% brainwashed

which does stem from the mainstream media every decade. so i ask you this. do you want a three freedman and thriving america, a controlled border, a fair and peaceful relation with other country? no wars. no national debt. no inflation. no crime, no racial discrimination. no violation of our constitutional rights and the list goes on and on. do you want to make our country great again? one leadership will bring us again. and it's obvious donald j. trump. there is a reason weather are millions of maga supporters worldwide. and by the way, trump did win the debate as well as the 2020 election. thank you. host: steve, port st. lucie, florida, independent. caller: yes, i think the last caller hit the nail on the head with the mainstream media, the d.c. media, being an os triple e

digit. nobody said anything about these cognitive abilities i looked. i searched c-span. i put the word cognitive in. i put the word mental in. there's hardly any video. everybody said he was disingenious and saying things now. you know, kai burn came out -- clyburn came out and said this was strike one, bad debate. i think it's way worse than strike one. i mean, let me finish, please. you have the border, right? that is wallless, wide open. that's strike one. you had the afghanistan retreat. i mean, they went through there in three days. and took it over. i mean, that never would have happened under trump. strike two, you've got ukraine war, putin would have never started that war if trump was president. that's strike three.

the covid mandate. that was worse, the mandate. strike four. the gaza war, strike five. the campus chaos. all this craziness and then dropping all the charges, all these lawless leftists. that's strike six. the eev boone goggle. and now we're hearing about the f.b.i. purging conservative people. this is lawless leftist planned, ok? and then you've not the funding iran terrorists. trump had that shut down. people couldn't trade. we said that we were going to put sanctions on them. and they that was the worst debate i've ever seen any president you at least had to think on your feet. but if you have a guy with an peer earpiece in -- host: steve, let's take a look at that.

this is from rioters. one in three democrats think biden should quit the race. against republican donald trump but no elected democrat does any better than biden in a hypothetical match-up against trump, according to that poll that closed on tuesday. both trump, 78, and biden 81, maintained the support of 40% of registered voters. and michael, is a democrat. detroit, michigan. caller: yes. i wanted to comment on trump and how they have a group of people that just blind about this guy's character.

he owns a casino. now, if owning a casino is any indication of the character of a person, plus in "vanity fair," they have a totally of trump in a sports car with his wife coming down pregnant in a bikini. trump, one of the reasons why they don't want trump another reason why they don't want trump to be -- i mean, biden, to win is racism. they are scared that if something happened to biden that kamala harris would be the president. they only put trump in and he's such an extremely dangerous individual. they didn't like obama.

this is the degree of racism in this country that they would take a guy like trump who can -- lease a bully. he was bullying and they've been using this. the republicans have been using this bully tactic -- or the guys from michigan who ran against obama. he tried to bully him and in the second debate, obama ate him alive and this is what trump did he did nothing but tried to bully biden. biden got a decent wife. and look at the women that trump has been associated with and married. it's no reason why any decent american would vote for that guy. host: john in washington, independent. john, are you there? caller: oh, don. host: hi.

caller: thank you for taking my call. i missed most of the previous guest, but i had a comment i wanted to make concerning some of the people that called in had various theories about what was the most important in climate change and at least one or two suggested there were something to do with solar, you know, more solar energy coming off the sun or solar cycle or something. and my comment or my information is i have a brother who's a solar physicist, degree from cornell. he's been studying the crone sphere and energy output of the sun for 50 years. and i've talked with him and he said despite what you hear and all the evidence, all the data they've gathered shows that there is no overall increase or

decrease in solar energy at least over those 50 years, as long as they've been recording. so he says that is nil and any discussions of climate change and he also says from his other context that the only curve that matches the increase in global temperature is a curve of the increase in -- or in co2 emissions to the atmosphere. and that's my comment, just to put some perspective into -- host: all right, don. joseph in tampa, florida, republican. caller: how are you? host: good. caller: i'm watching you. i'm trying to figure out what the democratic party is trying to pull. biden was -- all through the debate. yesterday's tv, i was watching. they had him made up like the biggest hollywood movie star. what are they trying to hide?

his age? that's my only comment. thank you very much. host: and lisa is in shreveport, louisiana, also a republican. caller: hi, mimi. what i wanted to tell you this is the media lying to everybody in the united states. it is farce. it's sick. and nobody is running this world except for satan. will you please put up the picture of obama in a blue glitter suit with a satan horns on it? host: connie in friendsville, tennessee, democrat. caller: good morning, mimi. thank you for taking my call. i want to talk about donald trump for just a minute. and what the supreme court justices have handed him. liz cheney is donald trump's he

is obsessed with her and his bloodbath will be for her. he's already talking about it. so justice roberts and thomas and alito and kavanaugh and barrett have handed him a his first bloodbath. then he's going to go after her. and for all the republicans that called in that's got their head in the sand, donald trump did not win the 2020 election. so, they need -- and, and who was in charge of this? it is satan. it says that in the scripture that he's the ruler of this world right now. so for anyone that would like to read a book, it's by bert newborn and it's called "the mob is swayed." it's hitler's right to power.

it looks at hitler and the nazi rise to power. that's a good sewers for those republicans and magas to go read. thank you so much. host: mike in oak grove, missouri, independent. good morning, mike. caller: good morning, mimi. hope you're having a good day. i'd like to bring up the debate also. i would like to have you show footage of when they ask donald trump why he did nothing when the capitol was being attacked. and he talked about anything but that. they asked him three times and he talks about anything but why he sat there with glee, watch our policemen getting beat. and then in the debate, he said right out of his own mouth, he had had conversations with putin about taking ukraine. one other things that he had in

all the conversations he wouldn't let a record being kept with putin. and then we have the supreme court, which is anything but supreme. it stopped being supreme when they withheld the nomination of merrick garland. and then they rushed through in two weeks, amy coney barrett. the supreme court is definitely gerrymandered and until we do something about it, if donald trump wins the election, goodbye, c-span, and any other -- any other flex that wants to tell the truth because it's right there in their 2025 plan. thank you for listening to me. host: winston-salem, north carolina, line for democrat. dean. caller: all these people need me to talk about trump, trump,

trump. you know trump is -- if they decided not know that. and the debate that they had was excellent. our president, president biden, he talks all year long, every day, just about. so he can't be taking a step down for something that they think is wrong. people better be careful of who they say can't talk, who got alzheimer's because it will come back on you. so be careful what you say about folks. trump is -- letting us know what we he do and he is not lying about that craziness. i mean, just look at how he was looking at our president when he was talking. if he wasn't acting like 2-year-old, i don't know what my 2-year-old acts like. host: all right. and greg in virginia, republican. caller: yes. hello? host: go right ahead, greg

you're on. caller: ok. i just have a comment or two. i think y'all should leave him alone and let biden finish out his term. go ahead through the process and let the voters decide whether to keep him in there or not. and the other last comment i got is on climate control. i think it's not man made. and the last thing is like they talk about the methane comes out and mess it up. co4 is cleaner. so why don't they just not worry about the gas? i like to get that through for biden. just let the voters decide. host: got it, todd. sioux falls, second-degree, independent line. north dakota, independent line. theo, a democrat.

good morning. caller: good morning. my thing is about biden. joe biden is a good president. democrats need to stand behind joe biden. you know, trump has done all kinds of bad things. he's played on his wife and everything. and everybody supported him. so, let's support joe, democrats. come on now. you know, let's support our man. you know? stop being cowards and let's support our man. that's what i have to say. host: and frank, in mills bro, delaware, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i like to make a comment about the debate. you know, i would rather have a slower biden than donald trump. i mean, biden has gotten this country. my health insurance has gotten better. my medicine places have gone down. i just feel that he's done more

for our country and i just feel like trump, all he does is he lies. he does nothing good has come out of trump since he's been president. and i just -- i can't understand why our country is so brainwashed. donald trump supporters, they say nothing's good. you know, about -- you know, i'm just frustrated because i feel like trump has divided our country. and that's all i have to say. host: and david, next, in san diego. democrat. sorry, independent. caller: hi, mimi, good morning. host: good morning. caller: i'm just really frustrated and disappointed in the american people. they're all standing around wondering what happened after the debate and it really, it's some people not paying

attention's fault. and it's hurting our country. people have to get engaged. it's so important in the primaries and not wait till the final stretch to start paying attention. it's kind of like the junk mail we receive, wait for a local election or a proposition in our state. and people vote on that. so it's very important that we get good news sources and pay attention. and i'm just grateful for c-span and good news sources to help us through that. host: all right, dave. and let's go to the bronx, new york. republican, juanita, good morning. caller: loving life. i'm in the bronx, new york. and i just have to say we need more republicans representation in the bronx and new york city. we are being dominated and flooded with democratic energy. it as if they're blind.

it as if the older community are blind and not seeing how the lies four years have reflected our economic system, our school system, our health system, and everything about our nation has went upside down. it is so obvious that trump is our president. he should be selected. he should be voted for. and we need to bring him back into office. thank you so much for taking my call. have a phenomenal rest of your day. host: betty in palmetto, florida, democrat. betty, are you there? caller: hello? host: hi. go ahead, betty. caller: oh. my name is betty mitchell. i'm a 92-year-old woman. i'm 92 years old and i just can't believe everybody have a mother and a father. hello? host: yeah. go right ahead, betty. keep going. we can hear you. caller: hello? hello? can you hear me? host: yes.

go ahead. caller: ok. i'm 92-year-old woman. and i can't believe every have a father and a mother. are you throwing they want in a nursing home or something? president biden is about the best president we ever had. he don't tell lies like trump. he doesn't try to tear up the washington monument. where are you? he got too much educating to do something like that. i can't believe -- if every republican, i would never vote for trump. i'm telling you. people who vote for trump, you don't believe in the united states. it just don't make sense the way they're treating president biden. i love him because he's a christian president. and he has been very loyal. he really has. and i just thank you for taking

my call. host: all right, betty. virginia, independent line. hi, jean. caller: good morning. hello, americans. that was so sweet, the young lady that just spoke. my mom, we just celebrated her 95th. and i can tell you yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am. my mother often said. i don't get this old being stupid but i'll tell you what. i have 15 siblings. so, wise woman. bestowed a lot upon us. what we do have is respect for our mothers. sit back, listen to her. biden has a wonderful team of secretaries behind him. ok. he's the leader. is a retired army. 20 years. trump did not serve in the military. him, his dad, his grandfather, his sons. he got an 18-year-old who should be register 2020 selected

service. why don't he let that young man join active duty? now, as far as back to president biden, i am 61 and i get sleep at 8:00. so, i understand that the young man. i'm going to call him young man because he just had a bad day at the debate. but i am pro biden. if you're talking about celebrating this independence day on tomorrow, especially my veterans. now, we want to make sure that we have a democracy that we can fully continue to support. i want to wish everyone a wonderful day and let's go biden. host: miles in san angelo, texas, good morning. caller: good morning, america. i just want make some points. mimi, thank you for letting people speak and not cutting

them off. that's really nice. i'm a democrat. trump, obviously, triggered biden's stutter the other night. and he triggered me too. when he came out on that stage, trump looked like -- he was on something. but anyway, that's not what i want to say. i think biden's fantastic and that's that. but some talking points. the borders are not wide open. they keep saying the borders are wide open, wide open, wide open. so if you want to know what part of the world and you hear that, doesn't that make you kind of want to, you know, come here? because there's no border. but the fact is we have a border control and we have local people and i live in texas. it's not that bad. next thing. they don't murder babies. when they're being born. that's murder. trump is culpable of a crime for

not reporting it. immunity for official acts but not unofficial. january 6 was not an official act. through and catch up on the law is not an official act. that's not an official act. and election fraud. yeah, wow. how presidential can you get? fake electors, really he is a crook. come on. i'm not going to say that he is the antichrist or the devil or anything, best done. -- that is dumb. but he says he's never done anything wrong. who says that? anyway, you are awesome as can be. host: thank you, miles, that's all the time you got for today. we are back again tomorrow morning 7:00 a.m. eastern.

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