announcer: just waiting for the start of president biden camping in madison, wisconsin on same thing as he has insists for sit-down interviews is it a bit. one notable of of not attending his wisconsin elsewhere in the state as part of her own reelection campaign, according to those who will bring you back when the president's remarks begin. with ed deen out of florida. wbob radio. these joining is now via zoom. good morning. guest: good morning. host: thank you for giving us your time. where would you currently place the current state of the campaign compared to a week ago? guest: it is the 1986 landed

confusion -- land of confusion. it is rapidfire. it is one-day day to another things changing. you have team biden reverently -- religiously putting out talking points. the poll numbers show that kamala harris is down by 2. others are down further. i think it's going to be biden out there. once voters see kamala out there, i don't know if her numbers are better than biden's. it is a cluster. it's great to have a monday morning quarterback but the political scenery changes week by week. i don't know if the debate messes it up for biden.

people don't watch that. it comes down to issues and how people feel. host: how does it change the field for the former president donald trump? guest: he didn't have the greatest debate last week. if your opponent is in the middle of committing suicide, don't for the trigger. joe biden handed him a decent win. i'm not sure they will have another debate. if i'm joe biden, i want another debate today. i don't know. everybody is all over the map. what's going to happen here or there? if you are trump, continue the campaign. september -- they have a lifeline to campaign. he should talk about the issues and maintain it's about the economy. if you're worried about joe biden's mental capabilities,

bring up that issue. 60% of the point of the act numbers said 60% can change their minds. that's a decent number. a lot of it is based on the economy. host: if that is the case, what is the messaging you expect the former president to deliver on that front? how will that be countered by the current president? guest: i think what will happen is you have more helping out joe biden counter the campaign lines by trump. if your trump, don't get overconfident. they were overconfident and b -- in 2020. republicans have not been able to pull the trigger to pass the victory like. maintain a positive tone. don't get off on january 6 or 2020. talk about the economy. talk about gas prices, food prices, immigration. if he can maintain that people

may go maybe i will give the former president another chance. it's like a skateboard. continue to coast. if he does that he might be able to win. host: back in 2020, the former president won florida. you think the margins hold this time rent? guest: that's a great -- this time around? guest: that's a great question. maybe it's within the margin of error. you have marijuana. huge abortion amendment. it would make the state pretty much pro-choice. that number could probably spike up the democrats, whoever the nominee maybe. on the conventional wisdom it's a major landslide. i do think trump will win by 20% but is still benefits trump and 2024.

-- in 2024. host: the state issue of abortion, what's happening as far as that constitutional limit? -- amendment? guest: i think they will get 50%. right now it does. when voters focus on the issue, and what is bad about the minute is you have restrictions such as parental notification. you have to bring in parents. democrats will say we are pro-choice but we would like to have more parental involvement. we would like to see the restrictions stay in place. i don't know if it does pass the 60% threshold to make it to the constitutional limit for. -- floor. host: people are watching the vice president of candidate choice. who tops that list?

is it marco rubio? guest: i don't think it is rubio. you go for a state that will help propel you to the white house. i don't think it's going to be rubio. maybe doug bergstrom. a lot of trump people in my show, i don't think they care. the biggest amount of support goes to ron desantis. i don't think desantis will take it. i don't think the maga committee cares. bergstrom. a kind of narrows it down. i don't they a be told to gabbard or nikki haley. -- tulsi gabbard or nikki haley. host: a large spanish contingent in florida. anything changes? guest: difficult on the coattails of governor desantis,

i think it does benefit team trump. here's the bottom line. the campaign speeches and major crowds do not win elections. it is the ground game. for some of the conservatives, biden has troops on the ground. the trump people hanging out at i-95, honk your horn, it's great. you have to knock on doors. last in georgia, last in arizona. they have to get the money right now. biden has ground troops in the states. host: ed dean, working people find your show? guest: throughout florida and a few other states. download the app. wbob.com. host: that is ed dean. thank you opinionists to

give their take on the campaign. joining us is arnie artisan as part of the pacifica network. thank you for giving us your time. guest: always a pleasure, pedro, especially on this interesting july 5. host: tell us why. guest: i have been thinking a lot about posting on facebook. i'm torn about what biden should do. i wrote a piece saying don't run. i wrote a piece saying i will believe in the policy issues and then go with biden. ultimately, i'm not picking biden. i'm picking the issues. then i would've piecing maybe he should not do this. then i watched the debate. here's the problem. biden does not know what he should do. what's the headline everywhere? biden does not know, should i stay or go?

the members of congress don't know. here's the problem i'm having. everyone is talking about some people got sick or had a headache. biden is 81. every month as you get older it feels a year. it's not like he will be able to feel better. he will not heal from the wound. it isn't like he has to walk somewhere. he's aging. he's been a good president. probably a great president. but that's not the question. not only what kind of a president are you, but are you capable of engaging in the campaign? especially a campaign now where you're running against a liar, cheater, are racist and now a crook. you also have a supreme court now aiding and abetting a president of the united states. i don't mean joe biden. i mean the former president donald trump. they are now in his camp. when you have the supreme court that is basically helping one of

the candidates, that's a problem. when you have putin and netanyahu helping a candidate, that's a problem. when you're facing a climate crisis, that's a problem. when you're dealing with the increased cost of groceries, not because of anything you did that because of a pandemic, because of shrinkflation, corporate profiteering and people blame you and you can't expand like. the most important thing -- you can't explain why. the most important thing is the dobbs decision. i'm terrified. it is not just about abortion and not just about women's health. it's about our ability to form families and live in an economy where we can all participate, to move forward. i nancy infant mortality rates going up. i'm seeing women fleeing states. i'm seeing doctors leaving states because they don't want to practice there anymore. they are afraid for their own abilities to actually provide health care. when you look at all these things, can joe biden articulate

the message, understand the urgency and convey it to the voters? host: you posted on x this morning that elected leaders have two jobs. manage the nation for the benefit of the citizens and be a confident campaigner. if that is your thinking, the idea it is the president's decision and he doesn't know what to do, what's a possible return to do should it come to that -- alternative should it come to that? guest: we can have an open or brokered convention. there are 70 people waiting in the wings. -- so many people waiting in the wings. when you paul any democrat -- poll any democrat, they be donald trump. it has nothing to do with who they are or the policies embraced by joe biden. all the things he's done on the infrastructure, the student

debt, the climate, they approve of those things and they love him. his age is now getting in the way. his age is getting in the way. if that is the case, guess what? you have kamala harris, gretchen whitmer, the governor of california newsom. they could step in. all they need to do is move forward on the policies the american people want and need and believe in. the person is the biggest problem now for this campaign is actually not donald trump. it is joe biden. host: a poll looking at the possible hypothetical matchups. when it comes, the one who could soundly beat former president trump if she decides to step in his michelle obama. guest: look, we all want to go back in history. michelle obama didn't even want barack obama to get involved in politics. stop using a familiar name or

falling in love with someone that was a spouse. look at people who have initiated policy, government states, put together things that are important. we wanted oprah. come on, pedro. this is not about a movie star or a fairytale. i want someone who's ready to lead and wants to run. that is not what michelle obama wants. we have project 2025, a fascist movement happening and we are understanding what that means. the supreme court is aiding and abetting project 2025. i sat on my friend's porch yesterday dressed up for the fourth of july. here's the sign in the wedding dress. wedded to democracy, not fascism. think about this. this is on my fourth of july. that is the sign i have in front of my house with a wedding dress in all red, white and blue.

this tells you how terrifying this election is and this year is. "i can hear the fireworks in the background. it's finally dark. i look at my july 4 statement. wedded to democracy, not fascism. i start wondering what will i be saying and thinking next july for? never have such a thought entered my head before. we are living in truly frightening times." joe biden has served the macon people well. he's confused about what to do. if he's confused, guess what? maybe it is time to pass the torch." host: the listeners to your program, is this what they are saying as well? how are they engaging as far as the president's future? guest: everybody is all over the map. if you go to my facebook page, there are hundreds of comments on both sides. people say he can't step aside. they say he must step aside. they are as confused as numbers of the congress are, as joe

biden is. if there is confusion, the answer isn't for joe biden to stay. it is for joe biden to leave. there's a wonderful poem from 1776. it opens with john adams. what is the song? it says, sit down, john. for god's sake, just sit down. it is not that john adams is not right. he wants to talk about independence. they can't hear it from him. they can't hear it from him. they need it to be delivered by somebody else. i want to sing to joe biden, step aside, joe. for god's sake, just upside. not because he's not right. not because he's not good. not because he's not competent. he can't deliver the message. he didn't screw up. he was basically showing his age. host: arnie arnesen, how can

people find your program? guest: we stream live. there are podcasts. it is the attitude with arnie artesen. america is torn but we cannot be torn in november. we have to vote to save the country. host: you through the course of the morning, various opinion -- among them, ben deeter, a host for kwam radio. tell us a little bit about the audience. guest: 50% of them come a lot of them are not surprised, as we saw from the last caller. we have in seeing these videos out of washington repeatedly

now. on one hand, yes, you have some people that were shocked by what they saw, but for a large part of our audience in tennessee, they were not shocked at all. they were disappointed. they felt lied to by the media, by the democratic machine. who is actually running the white house? what we saw thursday night, no one is in control in that setting. host: so as far as the discussions go for the campaign, where are they with the former president, do they think the events of the last we cap them greatly or are they still on the fence? guest: i think a lot our listeners are more motivated to get out and vote or trump more than ever. something i noticed, as someone who has covered these things a little bit, is the discipline we are seeing out of the trump campaign lawyer if you notice, outside of that true social method -- message the former

president sent out yesterday, where he did ring up the debate performance, the possibility they will replace joe biden at the top of the ticket with kamala harris, possibly, he has been pretty tightlipped. that is one be in the bonnet for some of our conservative, right-leaning sinners. they like president trump, they like the four years he had in office. they do not like that rhetoric. host: so when you look ahead, when it comes to other issues in this campaign, what would you say those listeners of yours, what are top issues for them going into the election? guest: we broadcast out of memphis, tennessee. if you look at the homicide numbers, we are ranked as the dangerous, most violent city in america. so it is violence, no question. behind crime is the economy and inflation is heading folks

incredibly hard. it is fascinating to see how both of these campaigns are tackling these issues. i would say they resonate with any candidate, whether that be a joe biden or donald trump, that sets their partisan attacks aside and just speaks to them on the economy, on those pocketbook issues. host: let's take the issues in reverse, then. when it comes to the former president and crime and if that is an issue for your viewers, how is he addressing it, and what is he saying about it? guest: he has been on our morning show a couple different times, former president donald trump, and he will say, during his four years as president of the united states, he backed law enforcement, he had their back, for set to mulch was summer of 2020, where we saw violent protests across the country. after that, you saw a lot of knee-jerk reactions to that terrible death of george floyd, a lot of these -- defunding

police department being one of them. anytime a candidate can get out there and say we will fund the police department, whether they actually have that control, where they sit in washington, that is a good thing for a lot of listeners concerned that, when they are getting their groceries, they will come back to the parking lot and see that shattered last, which is all too common in these big, blue cities in america. host: i think the last time we talked, you're just gotten a new mayor in memphis. one thing he was advocating for is this crime issue. what is he saying, and is he backing up the rhetoric with actual action? guest: well, it is our job, as you know, to hold our public officials accountable. to say it has been cordial would be an understatement. we have gone back and forth. but he is coming on the show tuesday, and we will sit down and talk about the differences

between restorative justice -- while it sounds wonderful on table, -- on paper, i do not know whether in memphis or these cities, whether that be washington, chicago, baltimore, if you have the luxury of second and third chances when it comes to these criminal defendants. for so many years, what the public are dealing in these cities wrecked by crime, the victims are sometimes treated like criminals and they criminals treated like victims. i hope he leans into that campaign promise he made back in november, where we are going tough on crime. have i seen it? i am still giving him a little patience, let's say that. host: your primary in the state is august 1 give one of the things most states are dealing with, particularly after the last campaign cycle, is the idea of election integrity. what is the state doing? are there issues popping up of concern? guest: i do not think so, not in tennessee. i just had the chair of the republican party in tennessee,

scott golden -- they -- host: when it comes to them, what you are looking for in the days and weeks ahead, what do you talk to your audience about, and what are you looking for specifically for the campaign? host: every morning, i wake up at 7:00 -- i am off today, joining you guys -- and i sound like a broken record, but it is local and state elections. i understand what we are seeing in the beltway is so flashy. we are living in quite uncharted territory. but when it comes to what affects americans in their hometowns, in their neighborhoods, it is their mayors, their district attorneys , those prosecutors, those judges. i know judges on a ballot may not the most attractive thing when it comes to an election cycle, but when you look at

august, when you look at november, there are some really critical state and local elections that, if you want your policy acres to work you, you are in contact with them at the local and state level. yes, i will be covering biden, trapped, and what an election campaign so far this cycle. but my message is, if you really want to affect change, it has got to start with your city council number or commissioner on the county level. host: one more question about the campaign, the election campaign, we were talking to another conservative talk show host, the prospect of a vice presidential candidate. to your audience, are they that interested in the topic? guest: i think they are. it is really the only, on the republican side, choice that they feel like they have gotten this primary. while there were some other contenders, trump went straight to the top. he became the nominee so

prematurely. so now they are like it is a variety, is it j.d. vance, tim scott? a lot of them would be just ok with them winning in november. that is from my perspective. and i am ok with a nikki haley. i am ok with someone who -- maybe -- host: to what degree do you think they are with the former president at this stage? guest: there was polling after the president's conviction in manhattan, and they have not just run towards the former president, believing this is just a political witchhunt against him and his candidacy. in fact, they have leaned a little bit towards biden. i think, for a lot of these independent voters, they are just disgruntled, they are upset. they just want their politicians and those people who claim to be public servants to work for them. i would encourage any one of

these two guys, if they are listening to the "washington journal" this morning, you have got to talk about the economy, inflation, and bringing down that political rhetoric. because real americans, when they are out with their families for the fourth of july, we do not talk like they do in washington, and i think they should take notice of that. host: how can people find your show? guest: they can go to mighty990 .com and stream the show, 7:00 to 9:00. host: ben you want to comment on any aspect of that. we have been joined by pundits. joining us again, she is the editor-in-chief and chief columnist for the michigan advance. hello, welcome back. guest: thank you for having me. host: remind our viewers about michigan advance. what you do and the approach you take. guest: we are a nonprofit newsroom. in all 50 states we cover the

state capital and we are very much covering the 2024 election as michigan is a swing state. host: over the last week what has been of interest to you? also your state of the swing state? guest: it is no secret this has been a close election and president biden has been struggling in some of the states he won in 2020. and certainly in michigan. after the frenzy of the first debate in the president's performance there has been a lot of concern in michigan about whether he should stay on the ticket. what this means for the fall. it has been interesting because the trump campaign has been rather why it is time. host: as far as the response you get when you post and the people that respond to you, what is your sense as far as what should be done for the biden campaign? how they should go forward? guest: it is interesting.

i have been covering politics for over 20 years, and one constant is democrats panic matter watch. i think there is no doubt that there is widespread panic. following the debate performance there definitely has been talk about biden stepping down now for the election. but i will say that there are a fair number of supporters both elected officials and regular voters who want to stay the course with him, who think that biden has been the best president in their lifetime, and you don't want to quit on him. host: that support also coming from your governor, gretchen whitmer. talk about her input into this and where she is coming from with that. guest: the governor of michigan is a strong ally of biden. she has also been widely talked about as a 2028 candidate.

more recently, again, as a 2024 candidate. she was part of that governor's meeting. she went in person on wednesday. her response was really short after that meeting, which i did find notable. she just gave a short tweet. she was not parted that press conference minnesota governor tim walz was part of. publicly she has been a staunch ally. but i think it is pretty clear that she, like a lot of democrats, has some real concerns. host: to what degree? i'm sure you have seen as well that is the constant name that comes out as far as a possible replacement. in her interest in that would be serious. guest: logistically i think it would be very difficult to replace biden with anyone but vice president kamala harris. we are so far into the process now. however, there is a lot of wish casting for witmer.

her numbers in wish -- in michigan are great. they are far better than biden's r. there is definitely an argument to be made that the governor of a key swing state with a strong record would be a good contender this year. i just think that the main thing standing in the way of her or any of the other names being mentioned, like california governor newsome, who was just in michigan yesterday, campaigning for biden, is just, you know, what it would mean to get someone on the ballot who is not currently in the vice presidency. host: we talked about michigan as a state. president biden struggles there. what do you think makes them struggle so in the state? guest: i think the top issues that have heard him are the the israel-gaza war. we have a large population of arab-americans, as well as

jewish americans here. it definitely has caused a rift in the democratic party. certainly nobody is comfortable with the amount of bloodshed there since october 7. so, we have known that is an issue for the president. and concerns about the economy, which is strong by basically every measure, but inflation has slowed, but for many people, you know, basic costs are still higher than they were during the pandemic, where things completely bottomed out. and, you know, you were hearing a lot of concerns about the price of gas, even though it has been dropping. and housing in particular. we have had one of the most affordable housing markets in the country, and so to see these kinds of drums we have seen in the last couple of years it has been fairly disconcerting for voters. host: your state's primary was in february. that is where we saw 100,000

primary voters who voted for this uncommitted vote. what have you learned from that and is there still that vibe today? guest: i think that, sadly, the israel-hamas war has been shoved off the pages, with all of the concerns to date. obviously there is huge concerns about what is going on there and the high death toll. but certainly for a lot of michigan voters that is still top of mind. and that was a driving factor for this uncommitted movement, although certainly there were a number of progressive voters who had wanted bernie sanders to be the nominee, and they were never going to be satisfied with biden. so, you do have some fissures in the democratic party. host: your state has made key decisions when it comes to reproductive rights. how do you think that translates

on a nationwide level? guest: michigan has certainly been a model for a lot of states where we probably will be seeing ballot initiatives this year, and that is expected to drive up turnout in states like arizona. the rna part is that michigan may be a victim of its own success, because it was such a popular measure. it ran ahead of any democrat on the ballot, and it certainly helped lift a lot of pro-choice democrats down ballot. but now that abortion rights are secured in our state constitution i have heard from voters that think even with the trump presidency we will be protected. and, you know, there is not as much of a motivation to vote here as pulling has showed amongst democratic women because, you know, in their minds abortion has been taken off the table. that is white governor gretchen

whitmer in her campaign for president biden has really been stressing that it trump presidency means a national abortion ban. host: you serve as a columnist for your publication. what guides what you write about and what do you think you are going to write about next? guest: i think i probably will write about the recent supreme court decision on presidential immunity. that was just an earthquake in terms of the structure of our government and where we go forward. no, i did write about the debate last week. i'm sure i will be revisiting that and what the situation is in michigan. and then, of course, i also write a lot about policy and terms of what is going on with the economy and issues like lgbtq rights in the state. host: how can people find the site? guest: we are found at michiganadvanced.com. we are also on all of your social media platforms.

host: joining us again, susan ae events today in the united kingdom when it comes to the new prime minister, kyrsten armor. joining us to tell us more about what happened, c-span's westminster correspondent. thanks for your time. guest: thank you. host: how does the labour party find itself in this position? guest: the conservatives lost it this election. they lost it hugely. they lost a huge share of their vote, and labor were able to take advantage of that. by winning seat after seat and the other party and the liberal democrats took hundreds of seats off of the conservatives. how they did it was by persuading the public that they needed a change.

that 14 years of conservative rule have not gone well and it was time for a change. it points to the problem, the difficulty that all governments have at the moment if they are incumbent in staying in power. they know what to do, but not how to get reelected to do it. the remarkable thing about the voting pattern is that in england labor's vote share did not increase, and yet they got a landslide. that is because the conservative vote got shared around, and particularly with an insurgent party, the reform party, on the scene, and it was devastating. it meant that conservatives were easy pickings for labor and liberal democrats to take. host: because you follow british politics so well, a sling to our audience the difference between being a conservative and labor

when it comes to key differences. guest: oh, the parties are centrist, i would say. the centerleft is the labour party, and the conservatives, center-right bib someone argue with those descriptions, but i think it is fair. and there is not a fast ideological divide between them at the moment. there was five years ago, when boris johnson won the election. this time the emphasis was different in terms of the conservatives, saying they would lower taxes and lower migration to the country. but with a difficult record to defend because immigration has gone up and taxes have gone up, because of the covid period and because of the ukraine war. so, you would be surprised, i think, how relatively small and few the ideological differences are between those two main parties. and yet it has led to a

landslide victory for labor. host: a new prime minister, kyrsten armor. tell us about not only the policy positions he holds, his style of governing. guest: well, we are going to find out in less than two weeks time. there is the king's speech, which will give the program for government. he has talked about service and quieting down the style of government and avoiding the perception of chaos that there has been with so many conservative prime minister's. we have got through five of them in recent years. a huge turnover of ministers. so, stability and modesty of targets. and a managerial approach seems to be what he is offering and what the public wants. host: when it comes to the former prime minister, rishi sunak, talk about what led to his downfall.

guest: many commentators think never have a chance. that after the chaos of the boris johnson administration, which ended horribly, really, when it was discovered that when the rest of the country was in covid lockdown it was party time in downing street. then we had an unbelievably short-lived and chaotic administration from liz truss. so, rishi sunak had a very difficult inheritance, and he can claim some successes in his nearly two years. but it was going to be a very tall order if he was going to win the election. however, he has lost it really badly, and he is blamed for calling it early. he did not need to call it this early, and for some pretty bad missteps in the campaign. perhaps the most notable of which was leading the d-day

commemoration events early -- leaving the d-day commemoration events early to do a tv interview. host: we have seen the new prime minister meet with the king. it happens today otherwise? guest: i think people go for a sleep, to be honest. the journalists do, who have been up for more than 24 hours. the speed of events has been extraordinary. the polls only closed just over 12 hours ago and we already have a new government in place. the formalities have been completed, which means going to shake hands with the king and returning to downing street. there he generous, respectful speeches between the outgoing prime minister and the incoming one. this speeches by the losing side were very civil and polite towards labor. it was quite refreshing, actually.

they have very little time to prepare for a nato summit. it big summit of european leaders next week. in the king's speech on the 17th, which will be well worth watching, because that will tell us a lot about what they're going to do. but the civil service does not change over. there was not a mass sacking of civil servants and replacement by political appointees. there are some political appointees, but by and large the civil service says, we have new masters now, what do you want us to do? a huge amount of work starts behind the scenes, but a lot of people need sleep right now. host: you have seen events happened there in the u.k.. in france we are going to see the results of elections eventually. talk about those things happening in europe and the differences that could take place as a result of the election. guest: yes. well, the french result, which may well lead to a far right government in france, cohabiting

with president macron, poses a really big threat and question mark to the u and the european union operates. and it will be difficult enough for kyrsten armor, our new prime minister. it is interesting to note that when nigel farage, of the reform party, who made an enormous impact on the selection, although he only came away with four seats, and he was in the european parliament he would not do a deal with marine le pen. she was pretty cross about that. he would not go into a coalition with her. because he did not want his party to be associated with what he regarded as a racist party. it is interesting how different -- because that party in france, though it has changed to some degree over the years, it looks like it is about to become the

leading party. so, kyrsten are and the new prime minister here has got some quite challenging times ahead -- kyrsten armor and the new prime minister here has got some quite challenging times ahead. there is no difference between him and the outgoing government, the conservatives on russian aggression in ukraine. no difference whatsoever. host: peter knowles serves as c-span's westminster correspondent. sing you visits with those who opine on various issues throughout the morning. mitch joins us from carolina journal. he is there a senior political analyst. nice to see you again. guest: thanks for having me again, pedro. host: describe to people the carolina journal. i suppose it is state-centric,

but what do you focus on? guest: carolina journal is a publication of a free market think tank focusing on state government issues. so, folks who are outside observers will say we are center-right or right-leaning. some will call us libertarian. it carolina journal is our publication focusing on largely state government issues. host: when it comes to the state and what the two candidates bring to state function, how would you describe that? guest: certainly it is going to be an interesting contrast when you are looking at biden versus trump. obviously we have a record from both of them now, since trump served in office for four years and biden served almost four years. you see a different perspective in terms of how much taxation to have, how much regulation to have. a different approach to how to fill vacancies on the court.

i think north carolina voters are going to be taking all of those things into account when they go to the polls. of course, this is going to be a very big year for north carolina. not only our 16 electoral votes up for grabs, and republicans have had success ever since the first obama election. he won north carolina, but ever since republicans have won every four years. i think if you had that money today you would say it is likely that donald trump would win. but certainly our electoral votes are in play. the biden administration certainly thinks so. the day after that to be a performance that was panned so heavily he was here in north carolina, trying to wrap up his campaign again. so, the six team electoral votes are important. we also have an open governors race that is important. roy cooper, a democrat who has been very popular in this state, or popular than other democrats up and down the ballot, he is no longer on the ballot. this time it will be an open

race between two candidates with stark contrasts. all of those things will come into play as they are heading to the polls in november. host: do you sense a differing mood when it comes to those potential voters and those who would potentially be -- intentionally vote for biden because of the performance last week? is there some type of change do you think? guest: i think there are some people who are certainly frightened about that prospect of having president biden on the ballot in november after that debate performance. a lot of things can change between now and november. he certainly could come up with some sort of plan, whether it is speeches, whether it is interviews, whether it is something else that shows he has the vitality to be president for another four years. i think right now there are a lot of people that are particularly scared about the prospect of president biden in the state he is in being on the ballot again in november. of course, on the others there is a lot of interest in making sure that biden stays on the

ballot, because that could make it easier for donald trump to come back and have another term. i can tell you that one of the things that has been interesting here in north carolina is as the talk turned after the debate about, who are the potential successors if president biden cannot be on the ballot? of course, you hear kamala harris, the vice president, but also a number of other names, including governors. some of those lists of governors include our governor, the one i mentioned, roy cooper, who has won in a purple, maybe more red than purple state. he has won twice. he has now won a total of six statewide elections if you count his races for attorney general. among democrats he is a popular one in north carolina, and i think a lot of people on the national stage say a guy who can win over and over as a democrat in a southern state that tends to trend more republican, we have to take a look at him. so, his name has cropped up

occasionally in discussions about who is the potential successor if president biden cannot be on the ballot. host: i want to ask you about former president trump and statements he has made before the debate, and maybe even before when it comes to tariff policy. it is high-level stuff, but what do you think about the approach he wants to take and what he can do to an economy? guest: one of the things we have just -- been disappointed in his the major candidates have been talking about tariffs and their support for terrace. we are a free market group. we do not like terrace because the people that pay are the consumers. it ends up hurting the economy more than helping, and it is a return to protectionism, or some might say mercantilism, the policies of the past couple hundreds of years have shown have not worked as well as allowing free markets to work. so, it has been disappointing to see former president trump talk about tariffs. it has been disappointing to see the current administration also

talk about protectionism. by usa, make only in usa types of policies that end up hurting us in the long run. the policies that should be in place are the ones that help consumers, because those are the policies that end up boosting the economy him and to the extent that the trump team includes folks who have more of a free-market perspective, that would be a good thing to look at. host: one of the things up for debate's tax policy, particularly policy put in in the previous administration. what are those concerns? depending on who wins the race? guest: tax policies going to be a major issue. the trump tax cuts certainly had a major advantage in terms of jumpstarting the economy. i think had we not seen the covid pandemic we would still be seeing the effects of that jumpstart today, and the idea that the biden administration wants all of the remaining trump tax cuts to go away is something that would retard the economy.

is it going to lead us into a recession or depression? probably not. but it is certainly going to hamstring the economy, and that is a bad situation, especially you look down the road at the federal government's finances. the more we are in the hole with these trillions of dollars of deficit and debt, the fact is we need to have a robust economy to help us get our way out of that. if not, we are going to be ending up creating. bad situations for our children and game -- and grandchildren down the road. we need an economy that is boosted by lower taxes, less regulation. we need that sort of thing to help pay the debts we have already accumulated. host: it was earlier today that the jobs report for june came out. 200-6000 jobs added. that unemployment rate going up to 4.1%. that is nationwide. take that to what it means when it comes to people's decisions

about a president. particularly how they feel about the economy? guest: we have seen in recent years that the jobs numbers and unemployment rate seem not to have registered as much with people as how much they are paying when they go to the grocery store or when they going to buy close for the kids. the inflation issue has seemed to be much more top of mind for people than the jobs numbers, and even though the inflation rate has gone down since its peak when it was getting almost into the double-digit range, people are still saying, wait a minute, i'm paying a lot more now than i was a few years back, even if that inflation rate has declined. it is still higher than it was when i could remember just five or six years ago. that, i think, is going to weigh on people's minds as they head to the polls. the job numbers, it is something that is interesting. to pundits and politicos, and to some extent the people who are casting votes. i think it means less to them then how much they are actually

having to shell out, how much more they are having to shell out today or something they paid for a few years ago, and they can see right there every time they pull out the card for the cash that there is a difference and public policy plays a role in that. host: i'm sure there are viewers who might be interested in your publication. how can they find out more? guest: carolina journal is available every day at carolina journal dock -- carolinajournal.com. you can also contact us to get the free print edition we put out eight to 10 times a year. we would be happy to have people sign up there. and also you can learn about the parent organization, the john locke formed -- foundation at johnlocke.org. host: july sale. "washington journal" continues. host: and joining us to talk about climate change and extreme weather events is andrew freedman. he's a senior climate reporter for axios. andrew, welcome to the program.

guest: thanks for having me. host: so hurricane beryl is category four storm. it's the earliest such storm in recorded history. you said nan article that this is just a warning of what is to come. so what is to come? guest: yeah, so talking to scientists really what they're telling me is this storm formed in an area where you wouldn't expect a strong storm to form at this time of year. it's usually pretty hostile to hurricanes. east of the islands that make up the lesser an teals, the ocean is relative cool. you have dry air at this time of the year. and hurricanes don't really thrive in that environment. however, this season is unlike any that we've ever seen. there is record warm waters with, including the caribbeans.

and there's an event that's develop negative tropical pacific which further enhances the chances for an above normalcy -- in the atlantic. and beryl really drove home in a number of records it broke and the type of records that it broke. weakened category five is the strongest category five storm we've ever seen in july no matter where you look in the atlantic. so, it is an exceptional storm in its own right and it is a warning that when conditions are right in the atlantic this season, really exceptional event and really dangerous events can be the result. host: can you talk a little bit more about the relationship between climate change and

extreme weather events? guest: yeah. so what we're learning more and more every day is climate change that's already shown up in our daily weather events. it is you can say certain things about certain phenomenon, but not all. so it's hurricanes. we know that they are intensifying faster and jumping greater distances than they used to in terms of categories. hurricane beryl, for example, set a record for june hurricane rapid intensification, going from category -- basically a tropical depression to category four in one day. we also know with great confidence that heat waves are becoming moreommon and more intense, longer duration. they're longer lasting. in some cases, we view, found

through studies that climate change made previously impossible events possible for the first time. and that is not just the united states but around the world. we saw downing pours in -- downpours in miami and fort lauderdale where you get a couple months of rainfall in a matter of hours. and it comes out as precipitation. and hurricanes are heat engines. they feed off of the warm waters. so as water temperatures are going up, hurricanes have more vulnerability