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♪ host: good morning. sunday, july 7, 2024. three hours of "washington journal" ahead. we wl talk about campaign 2024 enter calls by some democrats to replace presidenbiwe begin withe state of the american dream, asking you about the american idea tieve success in this country through hard work. we want to know if you think t l achievable today. is the number to call.2) if you think the american dream is r ssible, (202) 748-8001. if you are not sure, (202) 748-8002not sure., you n also send us a text. (202) 748-8003 is that number.

send us your name and where you are from. catch up with us on social media x, @cspanwj, and on facebook. it is a question we occasionally returned to"washington journal,ake of -- and we are doing so in the wake of a newewesearch poll. they write in the report the american century-old phrase used to describe the idea anyone can achieve success in this country through hard work and determination. about half of americans, 53 percesa still possible. another 41% say the american once possible for people to achieve but not anymore, and 6% say it was neve. again, that according to a survey of close to 9000 americans recently conducted

poll this week. a lot of writing about this concept. john is one of those who took up this topic in newsweek for the fourthf he is the intercollegiate studies president, the president of the intercollegiate studies institute. he wrote in newsweek that the american dream is dead. nearly 80% of americans under the age of 30 don't beeve it holds true anymore, and majority over the age of 65 agree with them. while attempting, he writes, to talk the dcontent up to a lack of patriotism amonyoung and doomed for goo reason. the door which faces through no fault of their own. with few exceptions, your birthdate now determines whether you are part of a permanent class of debt, who spend their lives scrambling to keep up, or

financially independent owners have the leisure to cultivate passions and become influential members of local societies. johy 4. we will take you through some of the other writing about it, including some of the of the american dream. the birth center writingbo hist. they write it was back in 1931 james adams, a historian and writer, set up the sense of the crisis of the great depression. declared his version of the american dream in that were sent a report onf the mradams said the americane dream is not a dream of motor cars and high wages my dreaof sh each man and woman shall be able to obtain to the fullest stature of which they are innately capable and be recogniothe for e regardless of the fortuitous circumstances of their birth or

their position. that is from the birthr, a report from about two years ago on the american dream. we are talking about morning on "washington journal," asking if it is still possible. if you say it is. (202) 748-8001 if achievable. and (202 if you are not sure. opening this morning with james in florida good morning. you are a first. caller: good morning. you hear me fine? host: yes. what are yr thoughts on the state of the american dream? caller: the american dream is stilerit is possible. it just takes hard work. one step at a achieve your goals. that is the american dream. i have achieved it. i am 70 years old, and i have not complained. the hard work i have done in the past.

we got a lot more work to do in this country. and i can say that is all i am going to say. host:today you think for a kid starting out to do what youcall, a program in high school, being a mechanic at the dealership. i achievedhat. when i graduated high school, i did it for quite a few and i am one of the top mechanics in the state. anything isit is more difficulty advantage too.technoglogy today. we can do so much more with technology today, like going on

the internet and google this, google that. you get your information righta. the dream is there. st have to work for it. host: thanks for the cal florida. two michigan, lee, good morning. what do you think? caller: yes, i think it is possible still, but it is a lot harder nec democratic party. in michigan, there is a lot of manufacturing jobs. and all of the mexicans, people from honduras, all of these since the border has been opened up, we can all really tell. they are hiring people that don't speak english. i think it is a farce. it is one of those talking iny we need. no, we don't. that i talking point. we have plenty of americans here who need jobs and they are not getting a look.

they are waiting in line while all of the mexicans and everybody are moving here. it is possible but it people that we have no place for. it is a lot harder. all of you trump haters that are going to cal t waste your breath. if you d and millions of people love that man, just save your breath. you don't get it. host: that is lee in michigan. this is tim in philadelphia. good morning. is the american dream still possible? caller: hey, good morning. or taking my call. i called in this morning because i believe theri is not possible for most people these days. the kind of self-sufficiency and dream of property ownership that young people might have seen their parents enjoy is very much

increasingly out of reach. i think the truth is some of these people don't want to hear thatorwe created another crisisn american cities by allowing private equity and hedge funds tackle the residential real estate market. between that and inflation, which largely is a reflection of our government's unwillingness to regulate anti-secular private inry at this point, making it really hard for people to have a good i would like to add this. i am hearing a lot of xenophobic kinds of comments from some of these about the former president calling in here, not really follo. if you look at any of these neighborhoods in american citie. look at the immigrants and the way these people take care of each other. they got each other. that is the american dream. ■ayou cannot stamp out the human

spirit, no matter how hard you host: let me bounce this off of you. re writing this past week in the wall street journal. stick on the line if you are still there, 10. karl rove writing that some pele describe america as the thd world dystopian hellhole. that is a slur, he writes. people were deeply compassionate and generous. we built the world's most innovative prosperous econcherie of law. reste civilization at enormous cost. we did not seek reparations, only enough land to bury our dead. the world knows it. go anywhere, and people understand themerican dream. it means the oortunity to work hard and live big mp part of a great engram story. sure we have challenges with people around the globe invest e

here more than any other place on the planet. we are a light of freedom and hope. if we forget that, we surrender ans to be an american. back on fore america's birthday, karl rove writing in the wall streetjourn. asking you about the concept of the american if you think it is still possible and achievable in today'y 2024. the concept of american dream around 200 years old now. since the great depression, a concept we returned to occasionally on "washington journalthis is george in montan. good morning. caller: good morn i called the not sure line, but after thinking about it, i am sure. this is a great country. they have great jobs. they are buying theiromes

i don't see where they are struggling anymo t the early 1980's. so, yeah, i think it all depends on your definition of the american dream. if it is to be a t to make a good living, raiseg a family, and have a good, i think there is no place else in the can do that easier than here. host: w is a good living these days? you say you don't need to be a millionaire or it is hard to be a millionaire. what is a good living? caller: a good living is having a job. yoraise your kids and enjoy your life. our bbies and all of that. there is a good living to me.

and then money to retire, you know? yeah. like i said, i think the american dream is -- i don't ow that. a hard question because it means different things to different people. people expect so much today. host: let me ask you. of these online wikipedia type of places t concept of the american dream and tried to put a number on what the cost of the american dream would be. they estimated the total to be somewhere around $3 million in lifetime costs of milestones like marriage and children and homes and cars and education. the estimated cost of raising kids would probably be another half million dollars or $600,000 or so. they put the lifetime cost of at

perspective.hesebeed rate around do you think $4 million in a person's lifetime is enough to achieve the american dream? is it something think we can put a dollar sign i will say no. they are going with the big-city prices. a house for $85,000. i am just saying no. made nowhere near $4 million in my lifetime. i believe my boys will. they both make between $80,000 and $100,000 a year right now and they are 24 and 45 so i would have to do the math. host:hat kind of work did you

do and what kind of work do your boys d me, i worked on rrea i have been driving trucks. my boy is a co heating and air guy, and the other is in rotingineering. yeah. so they both make -- make as much as the heating and air one, but i do notour year degree. host: thanks for tellingout ou. to new york, this is john. good morningjohn, is the americm still achievable? caller: thanks for taking my call, john. i think it is. it is marginally possible. like it was in the past. will be 77 years old, and i

can remember growing that my parents were stretching a dollar to the max. living, i guess you can use the phrase come exponentially better than my parents ever dreamed of living. in essence, i achieved the american dream, but for a lot of people today, the younger people , i don't think that is really going to happen, ok? mayurn around. hopefully it will, but i don't think it will happen. years, i have seen a tremendous concentration of wealth. i have see globalists abandon this country and take evything overseas, reducing the opportunity to, you know -- for people in this country to work, make money, and have a better life when i fd -- what i find reallypoting is this concept of politicians going out and talking about a

transfer of and how everybody will share in the prosperity. a lot of people are advised to work hard. i don't want to get politilsesoc keeping amazon out of new york ci w i just have a feeling there is its really hurting people. host: would it surprise you, because you were talking about neration, and kids today., y so this is from the pew research report, the impetus for the question possible? to 29-year-olds, less than 18% say it is achievable, still possible to. the number goes up for 30 to 50-year-olds. when you get to 55 to 65-year-olds, 65%. people over 65, close to 70% say the american dream is still

possible is, is that something you think is unique to today that the older generation thinks it is more possible than r generation starting out or do you think it is always like that, that a group ofolks thinks it is harder looking forward than older folks looking back? caller:ill use myself as an example looking back. older folks have a sense of optimism where younger folks are kind in f ality. real quick, john, they look at college costs, the inflation, and even though transitory likee think it is, ok, this has because it affects their ability to buy house, buy a car, get a job, raise a family. you see a lot of these young kids moving back with their parents just to make ends meettt wi nor some time. we can be optimistic.

and i want people to be optimistic because i want to see the country rebound, but i think all in allha realities of what we are seeing in the short term. if may, it is just -- just gets frustrating because i am looking at my daughterher son-ir and they live a good life, but i have a real concern about my grandchildren, ok?■l at my age, 77, i am looking back t had and i took advantage of them and things me like hopefully they have for other people of my generation, but i am really concerned because i have seen a sial of people in the country. people are just scattered with their thoughts on equality ais t out of this it smseverybody is's throats. i think you need economic sanity. and i think, quite frankly, you

need to rebuild this economy. you need to be more nationalistic. you need to bring jobs back to this country. i am sorry. host: thanks for that. have a lot of folks waiting. go twillie in north carolina. go ahead. caller: good morning. i feel the dream is possible. hope is al springs eternal. but you define the american dream and from different perspectives. as a 72-year-old african-american born in arkansas but raised elsewhere, i think today is far more difficult for everybody. ursaid that older people optimistic. i was always more optimistic. as a 21-year-old then i am today at 73. several factthe economy mainly e

prev -- as the previous speaker just said. the economy drains as. ihink you have a shortage of birthrates. he time, we have an over influx of immigrants. those two things don't ever balance. i am from free choice. i am for women controlling their bodies, but i think the natural shortage of birthrate can be shot right back to the abortion issue. you put them both together, then you have this need for outside people, all the american dream, the dta base ing bottled up -- muddle up. so the important things to ne you just spoke about how much it costs to send an american to college r now and how

social security isouble forever children and most definitely our grandchildren. so i think the american dream is not possible under the current political situation, right or left you talk about being an african-american and your feelings on this. that pew research center poll broke this down by race and asked this questioa different ways. one way they asked about the american dream is asking americans today whether or not they have actually achieved the american dream, asking some 9000 respondents or so wht comes to white folks who entered that poll, 39% said they achieved the just 15% of black respondents eam. they ev 19%hianic respondents. among asian respondents, it is 34%. does that number

surprise you among the people that said they have achieved the american dream? caller: not at all. it speaks to the exact hypocrisy of america. when you look at the top two numbers, right? can you hear me? second number. host: i am listening to you. youre staring compare 39% of white respondentsfnd black respondents. caller: right. hispanic number., ok look at the asian number. those are factors that say it depends on who you are and your de dream , whether you can say you have achieved it or not. host: willie in north carolina. this is steve in the garden caller: hello. hi. can you hear m: yes sir. what do you think about the american dream? hi today?

caller: i am not sure. i heard the otr caller from michigan talk about illegal michigan. i think that will have some pressure. went to the white industry, the nonskilled industry in warehousing, towards ther if you take a macro look at the economy, in the future you will have these industries that the capital will go to those industries and you have the high-tech industries so you have a divergence in the economy between the worst skills and imported workers and the domesticorkers who are working high skill positions or professionalosso i think there y talks about. maybe 8, 9, 10, 12 years from

now. that is really all i have to so that gives me doubt. ok, thank you. host: that is steve in new jersey. hal in georgetown, south carolina. good morning. caller: good morning, y'all. i think the american dream the wayriis definitely attainable, but we have to be truthful to what is going on now. we are making millionaires every day and have been for 10 years. that is by way of wall street'e and government intervention. i understand i don't want to see people thrown in the street. a lot of people lost their life savings in wall street with but what we have to look at is we aripeop that i know of that actually owed the u.s. dollar. we need to look at that and rework that. i have been doing some studying

and found that modern monetary theory, an economist brought up in england in the 1890's, that is a great system. in those nations, the government owns money. in the u.s., the legal citizens only u.s. dollar. we need to take control of that and go to the mmp, because then we won't have to do treasuries and everything so we can wipe out debtally. host: you think that would help people achieve the american dream caller: when i tell you this next part, you will see.since w, instead of giving those dollars to the big banks and the global banks and wall street, we give each legal citizen at the age of 18 $500,000.

then those parents's children won't have to worry about paying for college, payincare this is your $500,000. you have life as a responsibility to help maintain those u.s. dollars. it won't be a desperate fight. you won't have people getting married, children getting married and having sex just to get out of a bad family situation. when they get 18 if it is bad than home or maybe they want to stay at home and help their parents, but i ld ba big boom. again, it sounds unbelievable, but when you look at all the money that has been given to ot. citizens, u.s. dollars, the world currency of which there are seven and we are the most popular. it is not an obligation. s something people want.

it is a product like any other product. host: cj in south lake colorado, good morning. caller: goodniit is south lake , california. host: of course, sorry about that. caller: that is ok. i don't think it is possible anymore. i think that the supreme court is taking away all of our , any kind of benefits that wee la 50 and 60 years, and it is just going to getat sreme court. now, i think that biden should take advantage of what the supreme court intends to give to trump, should he win this election. host: you are talking about the immue? caller: exactly. and what biden, if i could talk

to him and talk him into it, i would suggest he use hofficial e supreme court. every one of them except the th women, jackson and sotomayor keegan. because they seem to have a more level mind, thinking more of the citizens of america and not just one manthey are helping trump wo i just cannot understand where their heads are. host: on the immunity case, the today did a wrap f th term of the supreme court looking at the court decisions and where the public issues in those decisions.

on the immunity case specifically, they quote on whether americans think former presidents are immune or not immune from criminal prosecution, persecution for their actions. the supreme court deciding they are generally immune unless it is a private action. 74% of u.s. citizens saying they believe overdentare not immune from criminalrosetion for actions they have taken. just 24% agreeing that presidre iune from criminal prosecution. again, you can see all the polling on all issues the supreme court took a look at this term in today's new york times. coming up on 7:30 on the east coin of the "washington journal," askingou about the concept of the american dream. is it still possible, still achievable? lines for if you say yes, no, or if you are not this is robert and waldorf,

maryland,e line for those that say they are not sure. caller: good morning. host: go ahead, robert. you know, you have to be honest with th listeners. when biden took office, mortgage rates were 3%. they are now 7%. when biden took office, a gallon of gas less $2.36. they are now four dollars plus a gallon. when you that ki oin on a person's wallet, there are average americauttrng to make ay day, working 40 hours a week. just that alone is enough to you are not going to be able to afford a house paying a $700,000 loan. the politicians and corporations have sold out the american worker. they are importing millions through biden into this country

to undermine the american worker on a daily basis. this is not fiction. thisno up. it is right there staring you in the face. and joe biden and the democratic party are the ones who have done this. it has gotten worse over the past four years since biden got into office. all the cost of living, anything, tires, you name it, has gone up 20% to 25%. noight now can't deny that. you cannot do it. let's just talk about a pickup truck. a pickup truck worth $40,000 is now $100,000, so the american dream is a house and two vehicles. just obtain those to me almost have to take out a mortgage to get a pickup truck, so now if that is what you people like, that is what you voted for. you voted for joe biden and that is what you have now.

host: tt in maryland. this is mandy in daytona beach, florida. good morning, you are next. caller: y time. i think it goes back to the way you think. ifou can, you can. if you think you can't, you can't. why would i waste my time thinking about what i cannot do? what i should do is think about what i can do and take whatever i have and make it to give you an example, i was a manager of a department store. and a big corporation bought the chain. thami had 50 managers of differt departments and they said you can only keep 25. so i said, how about if? they said rank them from one 50. pilot 26 through 50 go. 0 yes. listen we will give them a ery ar they had. that is what is facing americawd

stuff. so it is a personal responsibility. when are we going to take a personal response ability to say i am the one that has to take me? how can i do it? what do i have? you can say i cannot do it because i don't have enough money. a little bit of time but this is really important. calornia who got a big job making $100,000 a year back in t he was there six months and got fired. he had $400 in the bank and went down to the hardware store and spent $40 buying a bucked mop and went door-to-door washing windows. in two years, his business had americans are thinking about what they cannot do. ay im responsible for me. i cannot blame anybody. do i like joe biden?

no, i am a conserv i have my own businesses. i went into business for myself. to be honest with you, i am pretty well off because i myself. i had to i could not count on anybody else, so thank you for your i appreciate it. host: that is mandy in florida. n nneapolis. good morning. caller: hello, john. i out e american dream. you know, i used to think it was there, but the more i look at it, it is just a hugdiscrepancy. i am a military vet, could together $50,000 to purchase my house now. the only reason i a house is because i got a v.a. loan from the government. i think the american dream would be more possible if they make that available to everyone

without the extra fees on the rtgage. and then another issue is just everything is so dang expensive. know, sorry, i derailed myself. you should look at the country versus other countries like china, where it is 96%, and in the united states i believe it is about 66%. and then even just to minnesota, minnesota is a very interesting state because everyone will tell you we are vy pgressive and good on race, but the homeownership rate for white people, white households in 77.5%. justlack households -- compared to just 30.5% for blacho this goes to back to issues that are systemic in this country.

until we address those, the american dream will not be possible for anyone really. and now on to home purchases. the original purchase of my home was somewhere around $40,000. and th sold in the early 2010s for $140,000 or 160 i bought it a few years after that person for $240,000. and now i am being told it is worthand interest rates are nowp to, what, 7%, 8%? who can afford that? like with kid things becaust to. my wife and i saw how so got a vasectomy back in the military due to the unaffordability of

the u.s. host: that is john in minnesota. this is chris in philadelphia, in the keystone state. good morning. caller:orning. thanks for taking my call. america today,■b hi called becas interesting hearing the viewers and i think it is a great prompt. one thing i want to say, extremely fortunate to hear people who should know better continue to dilute themselves with the sort of self-help like toxic therapy line. you believe it, you can do it. i also am extremely frustrated to hear people talk about stuff like infla a obvious price-fixing when it comes to the cost of things everybods to. i point the finger at the president of whoever it is.

that is not how that works. you got businesses. our government has been on mission under mostly conservative control for 40 to remove the brakes and take away every checks and balance system and remove everything from every regulatory committee possible. our government in my elder' lifetimes had the ability and good faith effort to rein in the excesses of private industry and wall street come etc. people used to pride themselves on doing that kind of job when they got to congress. that is not how this works anymore. that it host: what would you say to those folks who sayoverregulatie from achieving the american dream, that too much regulation, too much red tape, too much of the go involved

keeps people from achieving the american dream? caller: ok, i would challenge those people to give me one concretexample of the federal government actually stopping any kindfluee in private business from doing whatever they want other than slapping them on the rest, having them to pay ae.that doesr current system. look at chevron. they took the brakes off of the whole thing. they got everythey wg t. there were supposed to be this giant wealth transfer between boomers and people younger than them. i am 38 years old. i decided in 2008 as a 22-year-old m, i realized i would never get to own a home, probably never get to get ied,hat i would never be somebody's father because of a load that i took out. student loans that i took outwh. it is usual to think this is

just up to the actions of an indu person. our government has failed us n. they choose to allow private nt.ustry to doha it is bigger than what any individual can do. host: that is chris in pennsylvania. also looking for your comments via social media, via our text message service. those as we have been having the conversation. in massachusetts,s possible if you are willing to work hard and not blow money on john in maryland, yes if you take school seriously, get a degree or go to a trade school, save up for your future. no paycheck-to-paycheck nonsense. no debt and no government is what john says. carl and west virginia, as long ple can depend on the government for the necessities of life, we will not achieve the american dream. this is a review on twitter saying the bloated federal gome american dream.

about 20 minutes left in this fise the "washington journal" asking you about the american d, asking you as we do ovethe years, is it still possible, still achievable? jerrye wolverine state and schwartz creek good morning. caller:rng. yeah, i bel y achieve anything you want to invite you just have to be able to work for it starts righ tol the home. parents just don't make their everything. they think they can just send them to school and get an education and they will survive. an prosper -- survive and prosper, but it is not that way. i worke yi've got my american d. i got a little pce rent, but

i watch tv and i.e. good and everything like that. i come from alabama, and in the 1950's, you did not need help or anything. host: are we talking chores around the or you talk about get the afterschool job and do that while going to high school? caller: you listen to people. and people don't listen anymore. you listen to people and you learn. you survive and as you learn, you move up the ladder. u will know people more. you can get a good and prosper from that. i worked drywall for 58 years. well-off or anything, but i am survivi according to wr

goal know? i grew up real poor, and i have achieved a i am not rich. i am uneducated. and everything, drywall company and made got rod am happy i did. host: thanks for the callmichig. over to the badger state, this is mike. good morning. caller:caller: good morning america. and good morning c-span. i am 72 years old out here in wisconsin. toronto and other places, and i am here you what is next for the american people over the next generation. it is feudalism. every single thing i have seen beginning and around 1980 has been an institutionalized transfer of wealth from the

people to corporations. citizens united, tax rates, etc. everything you point to is a n in the family, and the individual, etc. it in terms of the way it is paid for, loans which revert bk to corporations and banks. sure they are goventt. until we have come and we need desperately, so deerately, fdr level reform in thisount, we are absolutely without question headed for add to that ai, which the working middle-class white collar jobs have been relatively immune to in the industry and the exportation of all the jobs,

industrial jobs, they will not be in this next generation. it will not take a genation. it will probably take 10 to 15 yearsnd ty will not be any white-collar jobs. and then what we wille will have to have a national minimum guaranteed income for and individuals. that is the ultimate form of feudalism. and the government will with corporations that control virtually everything rule the country. wh we have seen in the last few months is solidification of that. if you want a preyou don't need to read the whole thing because it is over 600 pages, but if you study 2025, the project 2025 that the heritage found forward, that is the future.

if you think about individuals and families within that context, we are all losers. host: wisconsin. about 15 minutes left in this segmenturnal," asking you about the american dream. lots of writing on the fourth of july weekend about the concept of america and the american dream. here is another one from carlos in today's new york times. he is the author of the the washington book about politicians writing their memoirs and other washington books. lotf them and wrote a book about it. we covered it on c-span's book tvthis is his column today. no longer exceptional? i will just be the first coupl . if america were a painting, it would almost certainly be a self-portrait. ours is a nation obsessed with depicting and interpreting itself usually with the boldest of brushstrokes. we claim an american way, creed,

even an american century. our political battles not only but also whose positions best reflect the nation's professed values. that is not who we are. it is our harshest of burns. he writes the self-portrait has a one-word caption, exceptional. we tell ourselves we are the world's last and best hope to be unique among nations, chosen by god, exempt from history on a mission benefiting a shining city upon a hill as ronald reagan once put it in the committee night. it's not a back woman. -- it is not a backpedaling moment. satisfaction with the way our democracy is working, it is the week it has been in the four decades the gallup has

trkeit. it feels more existential than exceptional as than the t and te that. no wonder american's alternate between inhaling our ideas and deploring how we feel to live up to them or denouncing those ideals for not delivering the exceptional nature.his colu. a lengthy column if you want to be more. thisjohn in houston. good morning. what do you think? caller: good morning. i said i am out for sure because once upon a te, could have went anywhere in this country and felt comfortabthey made thei am afraid. everybody has semi-automatics in is killing everybody so how can you consider yourself a free man when you cannot go where you want to go? on the immigration front, we used to call each

other americans. now you are only american if you are in the republican party or democratic p.we associate oursee parties we are. we should consider ourselves by the country we are from. in from other countries, the people from mexico hate each other. that is why they come here. then you can work with each other. here they have opportunities. they are happy as ever. they have never been so ev been so happy. this people in china, they work together. they hate each other like we do here because we call each other southerners. until we swing this country around and become americans, we will never have the success we thought we had once upon a time. i am 70 years old. as a black man, i always thought i had great opportunities, you know wh' saying? now i am almost afraid to go out of my house. but he has semi-automatics and nobody cares about each

and the politics don't care about nobody. ■kcxe out for each other. host: john in texas. the yellow him or state, this is mike in montgomery. good morning. caller: good morning. i disagree with john burtka 100%. as a babyoomer, we want to live and work forever. i am a glass half-full guy. )1 i took philosophy as an elective. my favorite philosopher is john calvhis philosophy states that a th protestant work ethic, hard work breeds success. i think collers previously were spot -- callers previously were spot on. thiss a great country.

's t recite the american dream, people. this is a great country. we all can work together and achieve our goals and our dreams thanks for listening to me, and have a great day. host: that is mike in montgomery, alabama. od morning.ek in naple caller: good morning. i think that ielieve that the american dream is very much possible. you know, we know inort of degro to do a certain job? so you know what the p is to get where you want to be more or less. if you have an mba from a top 10 or a top 20 university, in all likelihood that is going to pay off. i think the problem in our society nowadays is a lot of

people think theye a right to a $500,000 house soon as they graduate from cge, and they have a right to a $100,000 car. those art they have a right to a family. those are alivthat we have to wo i went to graduate school in public health and paid for that entire degree in student loans. i am a nurse, so fortunately for me i look at it can work seven 2 hours every day, probably pull into hundred thousand dollars a year if i wanted to. i have the flexibility to work as little or as much as i would like. you know, i know there are other initial degrees i can earn that could give me additional learning opportunities, additional job opportu

doing different things, traveling. i think the american dream is very much alive and well, and i just want to comment on a prior caller, the gentleman who railed against joe biden and stated that inflation and every other problem the united states is facing currently is joe biden's fault. just want to know, is joe biden also responsible for higher interest rates,higher cod homes and cars, and let's say all of western europe -- in let's say all of western europe and the rest of the world he is not.ng the sam if he is, wow, he is one heck of a man and maybe we should have him for a second term if he is that powerful. : derek in florida on college degrees and degrees you would need to feel like you have

achieved the american dream. in that question that the pew research center asked about whetheu it or are on the way to achieving the american dgraduates said they he achieved the american dream. 37% say they are on their way to achieving it. ollege graduates saying, no, the american d reach for them. when it comes to those who have some college or less education, just 27% saying they have achieved the american dream. 36% saying they are on their way to achieving it. 35% saying no, it is out of reach for them. that is the breakout from the w rearch center. a few minutes left. want to get to a few more of your calls on the american dream. this is nate out of las vegas. good morning. caller: good morning, america. the american dre is on life-support support. it seems like all of our cal

are the same age. i am 70 years old also. yes, everything is joe biden's fault. but getting lost is it's free w- what america has lost is free will. until we get that back, the american dream will always il. just speaking for myself, we live in a country where i decided 40 years a i am going to move to las vegas to pursue my dreams, and, you know, things ha b a roller coaster, but things are working out. yes, i believe in the american dream -- i believe the american dream canaceved but you have to work hard. host: is vegas still a good place to achieve tmedrea caller: absolutely. if you are here to livefeyle, y. it is a lifes

live, and it seems like most of the people that are here in this city, they all have the same sort of goal. they all have the same sort of what they want to pursue every day. they love to gamble. i love to gamble. ihe in the city of beautiful and just from vegas.er the w, i am just saying we have to get our free will back. the government has snatched our free will. it really came to a head with covid. a lot of people just want to accept it andwhat the government tells them, and we let our schools go down. allowed the media to influence our life too much. rbut yes, it is possible. but pe generation and the generations of kids, iho believe this is america. we aest re theuntry on the face of the earth, and we

are the greatest country because we are css people. host: in las vegas. diana waiting in livingston, new jersey. diana, just a left. go ahead. caller: good morning. i just wantt threat is the misinformation across the country. just like the previous before me that joe biden di and that. if you look at any metric about the rich got richer, start rocketou sight, home prices are higher. i look around and see my friends retired at 58, 63. they are not working hard. they are on thedollar, and thoso complained about the debtut't rd in this country, that the rich and corporations have overtaken our government and made all the regulations so when they get now, right?, they freak out li they just reduced -- repealed

the chevron, which allows them to dictate what is clean water, what is clean air. if it is up to the republican y, they would let these corporationscial banks go crazy. they always come out with these innovative that turned out to be a scam ju like the mortgage-backed securities was a scam, and now keeping the economy and zero interest rates. people are complaining. i bought my house in 1998. the interest rate was 7%. that was the norm back then. because we have this quantitative easing which inflates access, that is how they reduced economys begging we economy was booming for lower interest rates. host: diana. yn caller in this pennsylvania.shington journal" caller: hello, my name is wade. when i graduat in 1975, right,

i would read on a fourth grade level in 12th grade. i did not know what a hammer or screwdriver was. but now i made it to be a carpenter for 30 years. it is possible. you just have to grind for it. i don't want to hear -- i don't care what president it wdemocra. i stildei took care of six kids. i fed the homeless. i did it all so there is no excuse why anybody is having any reason why they cannot make it. the president doesn't have nothing to do with it. it is yourself. host: that is wayne in pennsylvania. the lastinhis segment of "washington journal." stick around. plentye morning. we will discuss -- two guests coming up to

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, bailey go to the president and say something to the effect of your legacy right now is that you got donald twould you like o become thatou l him back in? the impression i got from the intews, he's not very likely to take that advice and it may require the almighty himself to come with them if they want to make that case. i thought the president seemed pretty doggy in. it is then going --dug in. it's then going to be a question of how serious are the democrats are like a nominee about pursuing that in the face of a president who to me, doesn't o's going anywhere. host: t post-debate reset, looking back on it, what went right or wrong joguest: mostly t they wanted the early debate. i think they were hoping that ouldort of reset the campaign.

they've been tiling in the polling averages. they been trailing in the balla graham states. i think that have the ability to not debate former president do all if they didn't want to. but i think they thought that th do something to change the dynamics of the race. based on what has happened up to this point it is primarily affecting the race in a negative way. there was no serus thought about replacing him at the nominee prior to the debate. the concerns about bidensge and acuity were largely partisan concerns. now they are bipartisan. there were no democrats t openly questioning the president's fitness to serve, much less stand for reelection prior to the debate. so that is the major shift to the negative providing. host: in that post-debate you open it with be careful w ft

might get it. for joe biden, what were yrrint? guest: that they could get trump on the debate stage, draw a very favorable contrast with trump. they got all the terms and wod've liked debate. there were no int, moderators, no conservative moderators, no live audience in the debate hall. all things that shrum has used to his advantage in previous debates. but i think the ground rules and that helping trump to some degree by forcing certain pame him. when debated in 2020, 1 of the trumwas perceived as having lost particularly the first debate between the two ofo hot, he was so agsi interrupting all the time. he just seemed unhinged. and that was theis for trump going into the debate, is that he would single tempered and

unhinged, whereas the risk fn wd feeble. and that came to pass for biden much more than negative for host: trump. do you think donald trump republicans wisng for joe biden to get out of this race and if so, should they be careful about what they wish guest: yes, they should bryl b't think they want biden out of the race. i do think there are mrepublican skeptical that biden would actualnde nominee. trump himself has been telling ■ople that he question whether biden would actually make it the general election. there has been some preparation. certainly most republicans were of the few that republicans would end up dominating trump and ending up having a younger, more energetic thehad to run against read but by and large, when you are ahead, you really

don't want anyg to change. if the campaign is behind it was r thgs to change. so i think republicans would prefer to run against biden with a very clear set of issues they are campaigning on. h&m infirmity are among them. host: jim antle artest. over the years i appreciate coming by. if yout join in the conversation, (202) 748-8000 democrats to call in. pu-8001. independent, (202) 748-8002.he't 40so here on washington journal. look ahead to this week what tipping point for joe biden this week when it comes to the nomination, but also it joe wee a stage with the nato summit coming up. what he could do to try to continue

guest: one of the problems was in addition to the debate not going particularly well, biden and co. were very slow to engage in that kind of cleanup. they really took close to a week to really get help from a lot of major democratic stakeholders. fairly will receive a rally in north carolina the day after but his schedule pretty light after that and it wasn't until the end of the week gan see him on a regular basis again. i think the president needs tut. i think he needs to show a certain amount of vigor and engagement. he needs to remind people that he is in charge to ow his leadership skills, and a nato summit gives him a chance to f th substantive issues of the campaign. some of these thingdemoats thint in the election and i think they re h hit that hard.

but a problem for biden is going to be all of these democratic ck to the capitol hl, and that means they are all going to have a lot of access to national reporters who were going to ask do they want him to drop out or. stay in? while i don't think it necessarily forces biden to do anything, the more of them want see them go, the worse it is for him. host: pictures like this show up in the sunday washington post. these were protesters outside the madison, wisconsin rally on friday. the sign below but i thought was interesting, i love you joe, but val out. guest: you're going to hear a lot of that sentiment from democrats.a lot of democrats arg fire for the moment because they are hoping that the president leaves voluntarily because if he doesn't leak voluntarily, number

one, even people who are critical of him right now do have a lotect r headways accomplished over the course of his career, but it's alsoat ihe doesn't leave on his own, it gets kind of messy. a real game of chicken of does biden blink or to the democrats who want to push them out blink? host: the line for democrats, michigan, valerie. caller: good morning. can you hear me? host: what is your question or comment? caller: i'm wondering why is the media constantly talking about a 90 minute debate and i watched the in the parties office. joe biden didn't lose that debate. he may have fumbled and misspoke guard, but how can you a against someone who is stealing noing but untruths, lies,

making stuff up? the democratic party is doing the work of the republicans read we don't know if they are haddock -- democrat prepublican. -- people. and that is what counts and ie believe he's going to win. who wants to be stuck with project 2025? we don't want a king in america. we want freedom and the economy is doing really well. if trump started running joe's . post: we take your point, valerie. your point about where these calls are coming from, i just eresng to take opinions. no fan of donald trump, that headline on his piece, it is not

fair, mr. president, but it is reality. joe biden's determination is admirabl and terribly unfair that the entire media narrative isis fitness for office rather than trump's fitness for office, but he says the a narrative and the polling index is the disproven,t denied or wished away by biden and his team. gut: right. and i think the premise that o the people who want biden to get out of the race is that it is essential to the donald trump. -- beat donald trump. the fear, the urgency they feel about the beating trump is fueling a lot of this. but there is a risk that this is something that potentially rebound to biden's benefit, there could be some kind of backlash to the degree of pylon that we are seeing. you have three minutes before debate, none of these people

were saying biden should get out of the race. the media has turned dramatically against biden. it is a position democrats are used to being in. a lot of decr elected officials, particularly those on the ballot this year have turned on biden. so it's possible that some nkic vers my rally kind him in response to this. but at the same time, i do think when you look at the pollscratic voters were not very happy with that performance, either. i think biden is under a certain degree of pressure to show thaos race. host: having the media turned fully against you is modevastatc president because democrats generally see themselves as the party that trust the mainstream process any academic expertise and the respectable opinions out there, whereas republicans generally su that the media

is biased toward them. think that's absolutely true. i do think there is an opening provided to do what is typically done by republicans, and that is run against the media. the fact of the matter is biden is the only major candidate who ran in the primaries so he didn't have to face some token opposition. he won the overwhelming majority 90% plus of the pledged delegates to the democratic national convention. the media is trying to overturn the will of the people and that would fit in with defense of democracy narrative that he has tried to make central to his campaign. host: read expert, republican line. caller: readings, good morning. listen, i have a whole different take on all of this stuff. i think that biden the set up.

l these years, i would know there is no way on earth that he was going to go in and say i have any time for positive. i think up, i e was going to be. insult the president. i'm just stating an interein host: you say set him up this narrative now to whether: liste' 'people who have alzheimer's and you have dementia. he was going to do what he was going to do. positively. and this thing that they came out with on with him talking about that he was tired, you

don't say that kind of stuff in yoursi states. good god. the whole thing that has come down to me in my mind, we are all being hoodwinked. host: got your point. guest: i do hear that a lot, a lot of people say certainly trump, the recently agreed to debate terms that a lot of people thought were not favorable to bn is that he thought that getting biden on the debate states at all would work to his advantage they were somewhat skeptical they were ever going to see him on the debate stage. s imrtant to remember this was t campaign debate proposal. the people who are involved in the decision-making here will likely come in many cases, cease to be employed if biden is not ticket. even if they stay on for the duration of theampaign, they are not likely to hold the same senior positionsotr democratic white house and certainly not any position of

any kind if the republicans i une would say this is a set up but i think involved, the motive these people have don't really line up with t the interview from frida, this is president biden. >> i've never seen a president with 36% approval get reelected. n: that is not our fault. y stay in and trump is elected and everything you are feel in january?ass, biden: i would feel as long as i gave it my all, and i did the is the best i can ask.d host: joe biden out of the afhi. guest: and that answer is the one that upset a lot odemocratsp republicans. this seeming desire for

dissipation to be the fa orvives or not it really di't seem to meet the moment. but i think even before the debate there was a lot of concern as to whether biden's campaign really understood what the race is about, whether they were making too much about trump and democracy, whether they were understating the degree to which this is a 's own presidency and whether they were taking seriously enough that polls were showing that if it wasn't a referendum on biden's presidency, biden wasn't necessarily going to win. all of those concerns i think were heightened by both the debate and stephanopoulos. host: maryland, independent, good morning. caller: bottom-line, the democrats bind biden.

this ridiculous talk to george stephanopoulos interview, i icous question , for him to es that low, polls change, everybody knows that. but here's the other piece. if democrats lose the incumbency card and all these politicians -- i don't understand why they do you can't throw somebody else in there and get the name recognition needed. by november. losing that element of the incumbency card is a huge misnomer for this election. it just can't happen. host: who else? guest: there are a lot of practical problems actually with switching out biden at this point. the clearest and easiest solution would be vice president harris. she would have highest name i cf institutional legitimacy as she is the elected vice president 't

on any primary ballots to votesy most importantly, they can most easily transfer the campaign were chest to her. she can keep the money. other candidates really can't. monecould potentially be transferred to other democratic enti be used to their benefit, but if newsom, governor of california, if you are gretchen whitm of m't necessarily be in full control of all of the money that biden has raised. and i think it would be a real problem to run against trump with any kind of spending or nerally have the advantage of them. harris being a replacement even though that would be the easiest route to go.

because of her own unfavorable ratings, because of concerns about whether she could actually win the general election herself, and there are a lot of pe who want to replace the ticket as a ty would like to see potentially a swing state ticket. they lors of michigan and pennsylvania potentially on this ticket. but once you are saying that you are trying to replace■ both sitting members of your party's ticket who are not challengers, es this is a sitting president and thvice president of the u.s., that a very difficult and potentially messy process. host: the first one, reflecting the parties bleak outlook and then a focus on thce president harris emerges from the sidelines as democrats rethink this ticket.

guest: and obviously even if biden stays in, the content about his agent raises her importance. he's asking to serve until his is 86 years old. people areim right now. what is it going to look l10monm now, three years from now? the other for serving even a part at some point really go up with the scrutiny increasing. host: terry is in chicago, democrat. go ahead. caller: yes, larry. interesting discussion. ocra arell you right now i don't doing this circling fire squad. it would be one thing if he was having some mental problems. i watched that debate. 't have any mental problems. there's nothing he said.

th saying he has a speech impediment, and ability.en able in theas o de's whatever he's been doing to correct that speech impediment he's lost the ability to do that, so now he's stuttering. at's making it seem like he has something mental but there is nothing that he says,answer . the republicans had mcconnell, this is ridiculous. and i believe the democrats are shooting themselves in the foot. the strategy for the democrats is vote blue no matter who. that is falling apart. i thought of democrats would win the house. the democratic public, i'm not going to vote for my democratic ■ who is calling for biden to step aside. i think weld have a

situation like we have the clinton with the president gets reelected and then theoclose ann because thlves. host: is your congressman mike quigley? caller: yes. 's in a precarious situation anyway. he shouldn't win, but i think es in the foot. everything is going transue, and it shouldn't. i will take the pnt coness whoe called for biden to step aside or those who have expressed those saying dropout. it is quickly at this point, thmassachusetts. the first to come out last week in texas and then yesterday, angie craig of minnesota. another 12 expressing some concerns. guest: yeah.

it is going to come to a point where some people who are sort p out are saying it is openly his choice. happen they may have to go a step further. ome of these anonymouslyurd stos deficits biden has. people may on the record. you're going to have to see campaign donors begin to withhold serious money until you leave the ticket. but all of those things could put out collateral damage for ot democrats and could also weaken the campaign. whole reason democrats ultimately decided to avoid the competitive primaryce is they thought it would not result in a different economy but it general election. all those things are still in play here right now. democrats head of the convention had a decision to make.

host: the story, the headline in the papers yesterday,ot another dime for democrats until joe biden drops out of the race. i believe that is the granddaughter, abigail disney, hollywood heiress. guest: and those of the sorts 'o see. those are the types of things that would potentially move the needle. people who have: biden to drop out a of them are not important enough. if senator mark warner does what is reported that he is attempting to do, that would be the first really big name to of ts. but most of these people archer it is not really necessarily to force biden to do anything, although it is a bad look. eventually, people are going to

have to start withholding money, calling for him to drop out in terms of not necessarily goice the real thing with the democrats and they are probably already have these conversations is what do the delegates think? biden has about 3900, or 4000 or so pledged delegates to the convention who are people who would get to vote on the first ballot. infor any replacement before him to panould need at least 2000 of those to be willing to abandon h and probably a greater consensus than that to make it worth the riskf having a messy, contested convention. i think if you could go to bid'e delegates to win you can potentially get in dropout, but that is a very serious thing. this is steve, independent. morning.

caller: i'm curious as to whwe'e recent jeffrey epstein relatiote convicted felon trump in a very bad light that in my opinion, this is a lot larger than the ollyod tapes and i really think some attention should be pao thank you. host: mr. antle? guest: i'm aware of the rumors but i don't know enough to comment on it. trump, eps, that have been mentioned in concert for a long time. host: this donald trump want to involve himself in the joe biden stay or go conversation or is this something that if you between biden in donald trump, ju l democrats? guest: just let play out. h's done which has been one of the most surprising aspect wle t trump has managed to largely

stay out of it. the one person he seemed to really express his opinions on, there has been a lead video of him talking about this w glee but he for the most part has not commented on it. i think there is one truth social post where he mentioned it a bit. as the say, trump has been of theiew that biden should potentially not be on the ticket for a while, so i think there is some preparation for it, but there's re nal to him. the reality i they are going to have no choice, the republican convention is ng they are going to want to dominate the headlines. when your opponent is difficult time there is really no reason for you to get involved and take them the headlines. host: this is ed, republica thay call. whatsapp, jimmy?

i just want to say i'm republican, but i heard the response of the last c talking about trump lawsuits, it is a sworn affidavit. it is not a rumor. why we about how many delegates are going to drojoe biden because he's old and he's sleepy vs. zero people discussing how my party has been turned into a money watersl for him bngort v? what are your voters think about that? host: antle on donald trump and the view of donald trump within the republican party. guest:irstf all, the belief

that trump scter aracter defects, is a are freaking out about of what the possibility of losing to him. some of these views of trump are sort of embedded into the biden panic. undetand why some like my fan there are unhappy tbi is the primary focus. but one of the reasons the democrats are so cone is that they do think it is unacceptable the possibility that trump gets backn use. they don't view it as being like lo example. but within the republican party, trump has a pretty firm grasp of the republican base. i think he has a strong emotional connection with a lot of those voters.there are many n party who never warmed to tru

and there are pockets of resistance within the party, why you saw nikki haley continuing to get nontrivial numbers of primary votes long after she dropped out of the race and the remaining but nothing really strong enough. third consecutive election cycle and now his sentencing in the new york hush money case is not going to be until after the republican national convention. so there's virtually no chance that trump is not gotoe nonee. but trump is in some ways, biden could take a page out of his playbook if hein the nominee. there with the access hollywood take controversy and there have been other such controversies late in the 2016 cycle, much later th w campaign right now.

there were a lot of republicans edthe nominee and he basically justhed in. ralphng similar when he faced a controversy that seeme at the time to make and no longer be the governor. he stayed in and finished his term. there are some that if you want to survive the wrath of the cable news cycle that now exists, that you could potentially do it as long as you have enough bag. the cable news week before the republican uld expect to be talking aboutly who the republican vice presidential nominee would be. as all of this, do you think, impacted when donald trump would or should announce his pick? t: i think it's going to happenrly the convention or maybe right before the convention.

differently for trump, it might have been earlier to change the headlines. i don't think they felt any need change the headlines the past week or so. and my understanding is that they settled on a person but i don't know if biden's problems with the potential of the democratic ninee affect the calculus of who that running they should be. host: who do you think it could be or should be? guest: now the three likeliest people are senator tim scott of south carolina, senator j.d. vance of ohio, and governor doug burgum of north dakota. each of them are very different people. is very much within the ideological wing of the republican party that is most supportivef trump, withs a youna move to a more populist flavor

of conservatism within the gop. senator tim scott obviously is very different in tone than trump, a much more optimistic figure, afcan-american republican in the campaign thaty black men from the democratic ticket. and bergen is a pretty conventional business republican. part from the casting perspective which is always been important to trump, and he would also fit a little bit into the choice trump made with mike pence where it was said that he was a bit more of a contrast for trump rather than the enforcingru does not bring with him necessarily a sense of the ithe way that pence was important to evangelicals, for trump didn't have those relationships at that time. host:ldsburg, ohio, donna.

independent, good morning. caller: yet. we what this man has sent, i agree with everything. there is no way -- i'm in good health and very active, i have not been an activist but i'm very interested in government. i get most of my information from c-span. three months ago when i saw so much trouble in the i started listening to evening news on one of the regular networks. i you, there is no way i let a man who is a narcit, i cannot understand the republican that the people in t in congress, the senate, but especially congress -- i know that when he was in they didn't agree with a lot of his, he likes to say things that are buried in the

le names even in his own party, but they just kept quiet. there is no other reason that they were afraid they would lose their election. and then i talked to my brother who lives in another state, but we talked about once a month and we are both simple people. i have devoted more for democrats, i think they are able to better on i don't need the safety net we get these bad nominees because most people don't vote in primaries and then you get the far left and the far right. of the people in this country get along. host: let me take that point: ts

all the time that the general electorate wants, but there really isn't anything other than their own events other than them voting in primaries. the fact was that the democrats did not have a competitive primary pss and are now after the debate trying to relitigate whether there should have been some kind of competition provide an and maybe now in a less democratic forum they aoithere are a lot of peopo didn't wanto be the nominee and a lot of people worried that in electing the trump as the nominee would play definition be a binary choice er think that is a referendum on biden, the fact was never primaries, there were significantllgovernor ron'n didn't go particularly well that he is an important year in the

republican party at the time. nikkiey, former governor of south carolina did reasonably well ultimately rank-and-file members thou both biden and trump were not really the choices for most people actually wanted. host: another thing a previous color brought up with the morality here who has the moral high ground. i thought this waseresng from maureen today in her column. findtee alone could be trump was never true, and now he has lostom the moral high ground because he had the evidence of his cognitive interior ration. trump is a master conman but biden isin his money here. they work hard to conjure a mirage, but everything was fine inviting world and that mirage vanished with the debate. guest: thaly going to be

the emerging scandal. it's one thing ide getting oldes staff, as your staff is suos dom been most favorable light they possibanthat's politics. re ia more serious issue ng aively concealed, that's going to become a bigger anthat is a scandal that could potentially affect even people who might replace him at the toe to that. but it has been interesting, if you go back to the 90's, the character e wielded by republicans against bill clinton. clinton's impeachment and the failure largely viewed by a lot of people as the end of the character issue as a force in american politics against trump democrats that sort of revived it. one of the more memorable lines

i think was served invited saver in the debate was when he looked at trump at fuln he had the morals of an alley cat. icitly raised the character issue as a reason to vote for him over donald trump, integrity is a reason to vote for him over donald trump. and yes, some people are using this issue of his health to muddy wa host: enter haven, florida. neor democrats. guest: on the republicans because biden is the sitting president, and that kind of givetoun for reeles kind of how it works in america. onominate the moveon candidate and i would have vote for nikki. just move on from the both of them and they could move on from donald trump and now we are

stuck with these two. guest: think nikki haley certainly did have greater crossover potential mp, and certainly could have much more easily for the whole r into the referendum that would have favored republicans. think there are two caveats. i think all things being equal, nikki haley would certainly be pulling better than trump is right now, but number one, would trump have been a cooperative supporter of nikki haley, or would he have potentially r?sata i think that is a pretty open question and if democrats are freaking out about biden being e national polling average, if he was down to haley, we have started having a conversation even before the debate?

i think potentially so. host: marilyn, republican, thanks for waiting. caller: thank you. i was calling because they had this thought that my greatest fear is that kamala run either as the candidate or soen tbiden and she becomes president. so my suggestion is that they consider appointing less more -- wes moore as a presidential candidate and maybe biden stay on if he is elected and then eventually resign, appoint kamala harris to ambassador of the u.n. and i think that mabetn host: new york times taking after the possibility of a wes moore candidacy as well. six different columns in the new

york times today on different quicklyfor democr enough for them to be elected president. guest: he steadily some of the viewa democrats. eopl are of the think is that i looking toward has maybe having a stroeri think a lot of the gos including newsom and moore probably have more of an eye 028 than now. when he answered the bell is capoteially so. he dead -- did just elected governor in 2022, so he would be pretty green from a perspective of the national ticket,hough he does have a pretty healthy resume overall. i'd be a little surprised and i think it would be dif to

dislodge both biden and harris, i don't know why harris would want to voluntarily stand out on her own, but a lot is going on and stranger things have happened. host: what are you going to be writing about this week? staying on joe biden? guest: seng biden, seeing with democratic lawmakers have to say. clearly we are cg the republican national convention, so some of the attendant has to shift toward trump. host: jim antle, easy enough to find. appreciate your time. later this morning on washington journal, we will talk more about campaign 2024, t up in about 40 minutes. it is open for them. public policy political issues that you want to talk

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