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decades of delivery, decades ahead. >> mediacom supports c-span as public service, along with these other television providers, giving you a front row seat to democracy. focusing now on the presumptive done presidential nominee with the author and political reporter who wrote a recent book on her, charlie spiering published "amateur hour: kamala harris in the white house," what revelations from the book do you think are relevant this week as kamala harris receives the mantle of party standardbearer. caller: the number one reason he ran for reelection was that he and his team felt she was not ready. she was brought in as a candidate that biden could possibly pass the torch too, but after three years as vice president it was clear she was not ready, according to the biden team. it's a big part of why he ran for reelection.

host: what reporting did you find? guest: just simply because president biden really wanted to pass the torch, but when it became clear trump was going to run again, the democratic party didn't feel that anyone else, that their best bet was to pick someone who had already beaten donald trump. the biden team felt that they had beaten him once in they were going to be the team to beat him again. host: earlier this week you tweeted that the new kamala harris is the old kamala harris. guest: she had made a big point of being running on her record as a prosecutor in california and really highlighting her skills there, since she was the one most qualified to prosecute donald trump. at that time democrats were looking for a trump slayer.

donors felt she was uniquely suited to the task based on her record. host: why did you call the book "amateur hour?" guest: least qualified candidate, only been in politics for a couple of years and she took her position as district attorney of san francisco and moved on quickly as an attorney general, but was only a statewide politician before she came into national politics. hadn't even been to the white house when she first ran for president. her record was very thin. when she got to washington, she had many struggles, difficulties with her staff and on issues. the survey, with the biden administration. host: difficulty with her staff, delve into that a little bit.

guest: this was reported on early on as vice president, she struggled with staff and they started leaving in droves when they realize what kind of boss she was. she had a reputation in the senate of being a tough boss and when it became clear that she was struggling in her first three years, i think a lot of staffers ended up leaving. washington staffers can put up with a lot of abuse, but when it's clear it's not working well , maybe it's time to move on and search for a job elsewhere. host: what are the stories that you found? guest: harris is reportedly very tough behind the scenes, thin-skinned, and berating her staff and tirades. you talk with people who say she is not a nice boss, not an encouraging boss. someone who is demanding but doesn't do the work that's required, blaming the staff for problems.

host: "amateur hour this book "amateur hour,," how much -- this book, "amateur hour," how much access did you get from the harris camp? guest: i reached out early on to work with the vice president's office and they seemed open to working with me. when i submitted a list of questions, that is when everything went dark. host: what were the questions? guest: simple questions, like the accusations about her record and staff, simple questions, it became clear they were not interested in working with me. when i started writing the book, this was a time when much of washington was not impressed with kamala harris. it wasn't hard to hear democrats talk about her behind the scenes and share things that they wouldn't share publicly because, you know, here in washington for the first couple of years, most people here viewed her as an

unprecedented vice president. host: what did they share? are we talking about members of congress talking to you? guest: no, just people involved in the business. host: what reaction did you get from -- when the book came out? guest: not much. some were wondering why you would write a book about a vice president. it's not something that authors typically do. i made the point at the time that it is important for us to know who kamala harris is because there was a good chance that with biden's age she could be the 40 -- 47th president of the united states. in this last week it's become true and all readers need to know more. host: the author is charlie spearing, he is with us in this segment -- charlie spiering, he is with us for this segment of "the washington journal."

democrats, (202) 748-8000. (202) 748-8001 republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. there is so much focus this week on her record on the border and what her issue package was that she was asked to take care of by the biden administration. what's the story behind borders are kamala harris? guest: it's important to remember that immigration was a huge issue for the biden administration, one that president biden wasn't necessarily wanting to grapple with personally. host: why? guest: i'm not sure except that we know that he campaigned on the idea that, of antithesis of donald trump's approach to the border. when it became time, a border

crisis, migrants coming across the border, they came to kamala harris to take the issues off his plate. host: when are we talking? guest: the spring of 2000 21. when biden appointed kamala harris, it was clear that he wanted her to take on the issue, citing the, you know, citing the root causes of migration. the administration also asked her to be the point on several issues, including a visit to the border, a visit to guatemala, messaging to migrants that they would be turned away from the border. host: when did she visit the border? i remember the criticism at the time about when she would be down there. guest: right, when she first visited guatemala there was a famous interview with lester holt, asking when she would visit the border, she laughed and said of course i will visit the border and i haven't yet and i haven't been to europe yet, a

lot of people visited that is a ga -- as a gaffe on the national stage. it was only that when donald trump decided to visit the border and the biden administration sent her to visit the border right after, they made the decision right after trump made the decision. so, she ended up having to visit the border and taking on the issue in more ways than she wanted to. she wanted to focus on root causes but the biden administration frequently put her in positions where she had to address the border. host: what did she do about root causes? guest: not much. she had conversations with world leaders, but little progress had taken place and certainly the migrant crisis is bigger than ever. host: again, the book is "amateur hour." you can find it on amazon and

anywhere else you pick up your books. you can call in and chat with the author on this segment of "the washington journal." jenny, good morning. caller: i think i'm going to get your book and read it. that's very interesting, the topic you picked out. i wanted to say something about the border and the immigrants coming in. i volunteer at a food pantry. we have people coming in, illegal immigrants coming into the food pantry. i have a hard time. i judge them. i have a hard time, when they come in their. i don't live in a big town where they are housing them. what about the veterans, the homeless veterans? they come in with fancy phones to interpret their language. i don't know, it's affecting our town. it's like, i was providing took

over and he said we are not going to build a wall. as far as drilling gas and oil, my grandpa was a producer of gasoline, you know, in those things. he always said we have plenty, we use others because we want to reserve ours but we have plenty. anyway, i think i'm going to get your book and that's quite inventive to think about, something like that, that's clever. host: thank you -- guest: thank you. yes, the migration she was one of the top issues among voters in america right now. it has to do with the biden administration choosing not to detain the migrants, rather letting them go into communities across the nation where voters who are experiencing these migrants coming and staying in living, even though they are not legal immigrants they have a claim to asylum and will remain

in the country until that claim has gone through the court. host: david, st. paul, good morning. caller: the book, "amateur hour ," how was donald trump not an amateur and how j.d. vance is qualified when kamala harris, who has been working as a deputy v.a. since 1990 and was elected to san francisco d.a. and then eventually ag and in the senate, i'm wondering how this woman who has one more elections than most sitting politicians is amateur and unqualified for this? host: charlie spiering? guest: this is a good point and a point that a previous caller made the last time i was here. certainly donald trump was an

amateur when he ran for president. but he won the election, he beat a prominent politician and earned the support and admiration of his party and served four years as president. the verdict is in on that. i think a lot of republicans view his first four years, even though he began as an amateur, many in his party believe he successfully governed for four years. when you look at kamala harris, she was a statewide democratic politician, but on the national stage she was an amateur. with j.d. vance, one of the least experienced senators and politicians. he's only won won election, certainly he's an amateur and we will have to see if he has the national skills to run a national campaign and we will see how he performs. it's a big risk by the trump campaign. host: stephen in portland,

oregon, good morning. caller: hello, johnny. i want to commend you on the book he wrote. kamala harris being the, how should i say, not qualified. i mean, after all, the california state supreme court forced her to release a man off of date -- off of death row, which she wasn't going to do in california. and yet that's what my president is going to behave like? want nothing to do with her. host: on her service as ag? guest: right, the national supreme court ruled that california had to reduce its prison population. kamala harris at the time, the attorney general, worked with jerry brown to keep as many criminals as she could in jail. it was a tough position for them to be in.

when you are a politician or a attorney general with future political ambitions, releasing criminals out of jail is not something you want to be responsible for, the criminal could go on and commit crimes and ruin your career if your opponent is looking for material for campaign ads. harris was very tough on crime as attorney general and she worked hard to keep people in jail. that is what earned her the reputation of being, you know, a law enforcement official, effectively the top top of california. that worked against her when she ran her own campaign. host: who were her political mentors as she moved onto the national stage and who is in her inner circle right now? host: that's a good question. -- guest: that's a good question. so many of her original staffers have left. she has always had her close political advisors.

from california, she has her sister, people in her search -- close circle that she turns to. regarding her staff, it remains pretty diminished. that is why they are casting a wide net to build up her senior staff as she prepares to run her campaign for president. host: what about coming up? guest: in california, her first political mentor, there would be no political mentor if she hadn't experienced willie brown for a year, who was a mentor. at the time she was a 29-year-old prosecutor. he was one of the most powerful politicians in san francisco or california, then he ran for mayor. he certainly had an effect on her political career, appointed her to state board positions, gave her a great deal of money and gave her a bmw as she first got off the ground and later, when she got appointed to work

in the district attorney's office in san francisco, a big reason for that was because willie brown was sort of behind her, even though they broke off the relationship after he won the campaign for mayor. and then when she ran for district attorney, he was behind the scenes raising money for her, guiding her, even though she tried to distance yourself from him at the time. host: as she stepped to the forefront of the democratic party, what has most interested you? guest: it was interesting to see the clinton's endorser right away. there was chatter of hillary clinton seeking the nomination for his self but that didn't happen. the biggest surprise for most of us was the time it took for the obamas to endorsed. we know that they endorsed early this morning but were among the last. that was surprising because president obama had been a proponent of kamala harris. during the vice presidency search, she supported harris and

supported biden in choosing harris and advocated for her host: on her behalf. why her specifically? guest: obama had a long political relationship with kamala harris. she was one of the few who endorsed him when he first ran and he has had her back ever since. host: back to your phone calls, marsalis, michigan. good morning. are you there? turn down your tv and then go ahead with your question or comment. why not give us your question what you do that? caller: ok, i was just calling about the person with the book. he's talking a lot about kamala harris and not much about j.d. vance and not much about -- he said that donald trump did do, said that donald trump did

become a successful president. he's not talking a lot of facts. sounds like a lot of what he's saying is just opinions. i'm undecided right now, but i think i'm leaning towards kamala harris and until donald trump debates, i'm still kind of leaning towards kamala harris. i would like to hear him talk more about facts rather than opinions. host: want to talk about your research for this book? guest: certainly donald trump is a divisive figure and there are a lot of democrats who don't feel he was a successful president. when you talk to republicans they will unilaterally say he was one of the best we ever had, touting his first four years as historic. it's understandable that that would be disputed. however i do feel that he was, the verdict on his first four years is clear, his party nominated him again. typically a failed president

would not earn the nomination of the party. host: what about the research for the book? you said you were originally reached out with questions and that there were not a lot of responses to that. how did you go about researching the book guest:? i spent a lot of time researching her record in california. being a politician in california, there are a lot of good media reporters there, lots of records and stories about her time in california and washington. a lot of people in washington were willing to talk about her time in washington and her experience there and places where she could have shined and done well and fell short. plenty of other reporting that's been done by other reporters in the city pointing out other flaws. so, putting, a lot of writing a book is just putting a narrative and facts together and see where you come out and at the time i published of the book, there

were few people who thought she had a political future. it's truly remarkable, living in this place where the vice president took the nomination of the party and ran for president without democratic primary voters even casting a ballot for her as candidate. host: the book came out in january. taking your phone calls, christine and holland, michigan, republican, good morning. caller: good morning. i was just calling. i'm a republican but i haven't voted for a republican since h w bush. there is no way -- well, i take that back. in the primary i voted for donald trump, but before i got home, i heard him talking about how he treated women. before roe v. wade i was taken

against my will and forced to have an abortion. i heard the word. i didn't know what it was. i begged the doctor not to do it when i found out and he forced me and did it. i almost died. that doctor, because i was a christian. that doctor died. for no reason. natural causes. he died a month later. host: christine, thank you for sharing your story. did you have a question about kamala harris or the abortion issue in this campaign? caller: it's because that roe v. wade should be back in effect so that people wouldn't be forced to have an abortion. host: charlie spiering? abortion and kamala harris

throughout her career? guest: it's certainly one of her issue she hasn't changed on, throughout her political career she has believed in a right to abortion at all stages of pregnancy and that it was up to a woman to decide with no restrictions. something she was really focused on going into the campaign, taking a lead on the issue for the biden administration. she will continue to make it her number one issue as she had so the polls. host: alexis, independent, good morning. caller: as a gen x or, i wanted to say i feel like i'm in the position again of having to choose between the lesser of two evils. i don't like kamala harris, i didn't support her when she ran into thousand 20. i was a burning and then elizabeth moran supporter. i would not choose for her to be our first female president, because if she doesn't do well,

it's not likely be will get another female president much after that. having said that, i would vote for her and will vote for her, i would vote for anyone over the orange nut job that is the trump cults. she has a law degree. trump was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and frittered away his father's fortune out of incompetence. as i said with biden and like the rest, i will hold my nose and vote for kamala harris. my question for your guest is -- she's -- you are talking about bad boss, lots of turnover, lots of whispering behind her back in the washington, d.c. crowd. can you give me a numerical count of how much staff she lost in the last 3.5 years as vice president versus how many staff and cabinet members trump lost

in fired in his first three and a half years? thank you. host: charlie spiering? guest: i don't think those numbers have been made publicly available but i do think work has been done to find out through disclosures how many staff she lost. the latest report is 92% of her original staff left her office. with only four staff left. that kind of turnover is greater than it was under president trump. guest: who stuck with her throughout? guest: nobody prominent. there are four or five left and i don't know their names. host: linda, good morning. what's your question or comment? caller: i have one for your guest. to tell me anything about -- anything outstanding that mike pence did as vice president. everything that trump said, when

he did transfer of power it was only because he was being fooled by the protesters, told they were going to hang him. and then vance and the bad things about kamala harris, it's truly wrong. that's the only comment i have. have a good day. host: mike pence? guest: i think republicans used to think that he was sort of low drama, highly skilled, could go out without too much trouble. he can go out and do the job of the vice president, standing up to defend the vice president when he needs defending. trump put him in charge of coronavirus. he was the head of the team to handle it. you know, depending on your view about how the trump administration handle the virus, he has certainly worked with dr.

fauci and medical officials to carry out the initial response. host: waco, texas, teresa, good morning. caller: good morning. i feel that kamala harris is probably the worst candidate that they could have ever ran for the democrats. i've been reading all of her policies that she sided with. she's all in for big government expansion as far as her government intervention in health care, housing, personal habits, education. she wants higher taxes for upper class and middle. wealthy. that's all communist ideology. definitely, even her social programs that she stands with. you know, her support for broad social programs, health care for illegal immigrants.

she's not a good candidate. she enlightens with all communist ideologies. i can't believe how anyone would vote for kamala harris. she's not a good fit. for them to sit there and try to hide the fact that joe biden appointed her as the borders are on march 24, two thousand 21, there's no reason to hide it. she failed at that. 23 million illegal aliens came through the border. i live in texas. it's been horrendous. i will definitely be voting for donald trump and if anybody cares about our country, they will vote for him, to. we don't need a communist and the presidency. thank you. host: theresa and waco, texas. she mentioned joe biden supporting kamala harris as the borders are. wanted to play a minute and a half from that statement from joe biden when that was happening. [video clip] >> i can think of nobody who is

better qualified to do this then a former, a woman who ran the attorney general's office in america in the state of california. fighting organized crime in the process. it's not her full responsibility but she is leading the effort in the best thing to do is to put someone who, when he or she speaks, they don't have to worry about does the president speak for him? she knows what she's doing and i hope we can move this along. madame vice president, i gave you a tough job, but there's no better person to try to organize it. >> thank you, mr. president, and for having the confidence in me, no question that this is a challenging situation.

as the president said, there are many factors and while we are clear that people should not come to the border now, we also understand that we will enforce the law and that we also, we can chew gum and walk at the same time, we can address the causes that cause people to make the trek, as the president described. host: a couple of things that jumped out at me, joe biden saying that she speaks for me, doesn't have to check with me, acknowledging that he gave her a tough job. host: right, -- guest: right, this is what presidents will do with vice presidents, biden was famous for being given tons of these assignments, tough, politically difficult questions to handle.

he was used to doing this and he expected kamala harris to do the same thing, to try to take the issue off of his plate. at that time there was a huge vacuum of leadership on the issue without many answers coming from the biden administration. the term borders are is not an official title but this is why the media began calling her that . certainly, republicans saw this is a mistake by the president and immediately branded her as the borders are, which is why we are here today still talking about her record on immigration. host: was it interesting to year -- to you that you address root causes 30 seconds after his comment? guest: right, she and her team were very angry with the president for trying to put the issue on her, felt it was unfair, saying that they were working on root causes whenever

the issue was brought up. host: talking with charlie spearing, the book is "amateur hour." chris, independent in philly. thanks for waiting. >> thanks for having me, i'm glad to get on with mr. charlie spiering, one of the preeminent quislings of the era. i heard him use the word narrative when he was discussing his album release. dig this, the vice president, as we all know, overseas house proceedings. when you talk about a vacuum of leadership on an issue like the border, i think that might have more to do with the fact that the former president's own party is incapable of did -- controlling their own caucus or moving any kind of legislation

forward whatsoever regarding these issues. it is a depressing sign of our times to hear someone in a seat like the vice presidency trying to address core issues on a subject as complex as immigration reform. that's a criticism, it's pathetic. i think that mr. spiering is part of a chattering class funded through the rupert murdoch complex that wastes the time of the american voter. host: give you a chance to respond. guest: the vice president had an important job with border security, something the trump administration took seriously and did everything they could through executive power. biden did the opposite, making it clear that he would get rid of everything from had done in terms of executive orders and

the romaine in mexico policies that sort of reduced the flow. so, i do think it is fair to brand the administration and the vice president, the president and vice president on the issue of immigration and voters will likely hold them accountable this fall. host: would you like to talk about your day job at the daily mail and what you do there? guest: working there has been a blessing. rupert murdoch doesn't pay my paycheck but we do have a good time covering the news. a lot of hard-working workers cover politics, they are not necessarily super political but they understand what's going on. host: do you explain american politics to a mostly british audience? guest: it's a pretty widespread english-speaking audience, a

great deal of the audience is in america, we just right from where we are in we write about what is happening and we certainly have a large audience who consumes that. host: how did you get to the daily mail? guest: i started in february after finishing the book. host: salvatori, republican mine, thanks for waiting. caller: thank you. i find it interesting, the name of the book, amateur hour, when we have -- let's call it two professionals in the white house , vice president harris and the president, president biden, where someone has to be responsible for the 300,000 people that have been poisoned and overdosed on fentanyl. not to mention, we will be

digging that stuff up and finding bags of it for probably the next 100 years. who's going to take responsibility for that? i think amateur hour isn't even a strong enough name for miss harris. god for she becomes president. host: charlie spiering? guest: the issue of fentanyl is paramount where the swing states are, michigan and wisconsin. ohio. i feel like yeah, whenever anyone is dealing with the issue of fentanyl, it's clearly a big issue a lot of americans are

talking about. host: heading to the volunteer state, barbie in knoxville, independent, good morning. caller: good morning. my question there is for the author. did you interview kamala personally ever? guest: i certainly reached out to her office and would have taken an interview and discussed her career and had a lot of questions for her, but her office did not make her available for the book. caller: yeah, it sounds like it goes one way. she's definitely not an amateur. you talk about how hard she is behind the scenes that she's an amateur? seriously? everyone in politics has a record of some sort or another and you can pull things out and twist them and do whatever you want to which ever way you want to to write a book. now, i know you have done a lot of research, i appreciate that. i haven't read it yet, i have no

reason to say anything one way or the other about it. but the comments i'm hearing on the air, it's kind of ridiculous. the same old thing about women. what is it with women? they are great, they are strong, what's going on? we can do everything, why is she such an amateur? that's all i want to know. guest: clearly not a comment on her gender, but certainly a comment on her record as vice president. in the first three years of her vice president see they were unprecedented. certainly no democrat would have chosen her to be president for the primaries. we are in a situation where yes, she's been chosen by the party leaders and has been endorsed by party leaders to take over the

nomination for biden. it's not what they expected and will do everything they can to bolster her reputation going into the election. host: how hard was it to come up with the title, how quickly did you come up with it? guest: every book needs a provocative title in we certainly picked one that was provocative in order to get people to pick it up and read it . i think that when i spoke with democrats and with people in washington about kamala harris, that was kind of the emerging theme, she was not ready for the job she was chosen to do. host: maryland, upper marlboro, jack, good morning. caller: good morning, guys. we have dozens of former trump administration officials, cabinet members, even his former vice president coming out openly against donald trump.

your guest has been asked at least twice to give some memorable facts about trump's first term and what made it successful, he didn't come up with any. all he said is that he has been the republican nominee three times now. look at what he promised before he became president. he said he would build a wall you didn't. set mexico would pay for it and of course they didn't. send he would end the war in afghanistan and that of course didn't happen. he didn't pass one major piece of legislation except for a tax cut for the wealthy. not one infrastructure bill in four years. by all measure, his first four years were a disaster and complete failure. if that isn't amateur hour, what is? it's ridiculous. i will ask one more time, give us a measurable fact that made his first term in office such a success. thank you. guest: i'm not here to litigate

the first four years of the trump administration but i think his followers will point to his record on foreign policy. republicans were very pleased that the united states is not engaged in any new foreign wars during his presidency. yes, being strong on terror, combating that threat in the middle east, putin didn't invade any countries when the president was in office. his record on foreign policy is one that republicans would .2. host: robert, the publican, new york, good morning. caller: good morning, thanks for taking my call. i haven't read the book there, mr. spiering, but i think kamala has been a successful borders are, if you want to call her that because she accomplished exactly what they wanted. i guess it's a certain amount of perspective. host: what do you think they

wanted, robert? caller: they felt they needed an edge in future voting, i believe. i'm sure there are pictures hanging in the houses of folks right now, joe biden with candles beside them. it's just weird that um, um, that everybody complains that, that they have accomplished exactly what they wanted to accomplish. they wanted to flood the country with new voters. i think we should just, for that alone i think it's treasonous. i don't think either one should be in office. that's all i have. guest: that is certainly an accusation made against democrats, that they don't take the border issue seriously at it has become one of the most prominent in the election and it

will be interesting to see if she addresses the issue or falls back on the typical democratic line that we are a country of immigrants and we should allow as many immigrants and migrants who believe they have a claim to asylum into our country with no restrictions. guest: border states, arizona, mike, good morning. caller: i have a question for you, mr. spiering. i would like you to explain -- i studied the foreign labor movement going back to the 1800s. has there been any time since the 1800s that immigration has been cut to zero in the history of the united states? they said trump would immigration but it never went down to zero, hasn't come down to zero in 200 years. they say that kamala harris is

supposed to stop this, something our country hasn't been able to stop for 200 years? what is the expectation for her to do something that no one else has done for 200 years? i will take your answer offline. thank you. guest: that's a good point and certainly the issue on the border has been a struggle for every administration, which is i think why biden gave the issue to the kamala harris. it's a thankless task. you are expected to deliver messaging to migrants telling them not to come, but the policies remain with the border open so it seems they can come. that's where she struggled on the issue, she was expected to send a message that differed with the actual policies. host: running short on time. what do you imagine a donald trump kamala harris debate would look like? guest: she is certainly

effective at debate, she saw that in 2020 when she challenged biden on segregation at the time. she does have the skills to deploy these sort of attacks and combat and opponent on the stage. however, she has a record that's very difficult to defend. we saw that in the primaries when at the time congresswoman tulsi gabbard attacked harris, dealing a devastating dip blow on the debate stage. she didn't have a good response to those attacks. i think she hasn't been held to task for her record and that as -- if the president focuses on her record, she will do well, but if it becomes a fighting match, trump will find a unique opponent in kamala harris. host: the book is "amateur hour: kamala harris in the white house

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