have sensible measures at the border that are doable. what you do about the legal immigration system that allows people to come and legally? if you make it harder to come in legally -- that is what takes pressure off. that is to push the border out, have people apply legally way before rather than right of the border. let's see that and let's figure out what people -- what to do with people of been here a long time. it will be good for all of us, they will be more productive, they will move up professionally, it will help all of us. this is the thing that gets lost by both sides. democrats talk about a humanitarian issue, republicans talk about it as a national security issue. it really is an economic issue. it is an element of national security and an element of fairness, but it is also a question of how we make this country successful, how we

continue to be innovative. immigration is a big part of how we do that. we just need to figure out how to manage it and away we are talking about legal immigration going forward. host: a good place to go if you want facts and figures on migration policy analysis. migrationpolicy.org. andrew selee is the president of the migrhaving this conversatioe first 30 minutes of the washington journal this morning, here is the headline on the topic from the front page of " the washington post." "the acting head of the secret service is ashamed" is the quote from ronald ro jr.. the acting head of the secret service ever since the former director resigned. he was before the joint committee meeting of the united states senate yesterday and this was part of his opening testimony yesterday. [video clip] >> as you are aware there are multiple ongoing investigations into the attack and security failures that occurred that day.

i pledge my full support to those inquiries so that the secret service, your committees and the american people have a full accounting on what happened leading up to and during july 13. i will not wait for the results to assess where we failed. i have taken and i will continue to take immediate steps to ensure that we do not repeat those failures. since my appointment as acting director one week ago i identified gaps in our security on july 13 and i've implemented corrective actions. one of my first actions as acting director was to travel to the site to better understand how our protection failed. i went to the roof of the building where the assailant fired shots and i laid in a prone position to evaluate his line of sight. what i saw made me ashamed. as a career law enforcement

officer and 25 year veteran with the secret service, i cannot defend why that roof was not better secured. [end video clip] host: testifying yesterday before the senate. he talked about the position that he lay in to assess what the shooter saw. "the new york times" used 3d technology and drone photography to build a model of what the shooter's line of sight was that day at that minute he fired on the former president. this is what they came up with an the new york times and also on their website. we will let you take a look at that as we share with you "the washington post" the rundown of the latest details of the fbi investigation. the fbi telling yesterday that the shooter registered to attend the trump rally on july 6, three days after the event was announced.

on the morning of the rally he visited the butler site and later bought ammunition. 3:51 p.m. he flew a drone 200 yards from the rally grounds from about -- for about 11 minutes. the secret service did not detect drone because of cellular connectivity problems in the area that hobbled the agency's aerial operations. "local law enforcement first noticed him at 4:26 p.m. and identified him as a's position as person at 5:10 p.m. and sent his photo to swat operators in a text message about 5:38 p.m. officers lies -- lost sight of him from 6:02 p.m. 6:08 p.m., and he climbed the top of the roof at 6:06 p.m., two minutes passed before local law enforcement spotted him them. at 6:11 p.m. a police officer was boosted by a ground by another officers to look at the roof. he saw the shooter and radio

that he was armed. within the next 30 seconds shots were fired." from that position on top of the roof. there is a recreation from "the new york times." talking to you about the latest testimony and the exchanges with extender -- with members of congress. you can watch it on c-span. if you did you watched a time firing meeting with exchanges between the fbi official, the secret service official, and members of the united states senate. there is the official hand raising and swearing in. 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. we will do this about 30 minutes at the top the program, a lot going on so we will go to open for him at about 7:30 this morning. you can continue to talk about this topic at that point or any

topic that you want to talk about. bruce, capitol heights, maryland. democrat. that morning. caller: please give me a chance to talk. i have been trying to get on this line ever since i looked at this action on tv. i think a lot of people forgot it was shown on tv and i will say this. i am so glad that god woke me up this morning. this thing was rigged. the way they are announcing it now, we look at the man on the ground showing two officers that it was someone on the roof. he said it twice and when you said when you look back the shot was fired. this was a rigged thing. host: you are saying that the shooting did not actually happen? caller: would you let me talk, please? the way the thing was set up. that man, who used to be the

president was not shot. one of the officers that fell when the bullet passed him, check that out. that man was not shot. he said it was not a shot, it was a scrape from the glass that was around him. play it back, i do not have to make it up. i feel sorry for the 25-year-old -- 25 year officer. no one in the world because of this man named trump said he was shot. i never heard about a shot. he was shot even in that year he would have a graze and they would've done tests on it and it would've taken half of his head off. host: this is steve in missouri. independent. good morning. caller: i think anybody that watch this thing and at least looked up some of the information and everything, we

know it is staged. everybody knows it was stage. he was not shot. they are all in on it. host: yesterday the fbi director said that there is no doubt that the former president was hit in that year by a bullet -- ear by a bullet. here is his sworn testimony before the united states senate yesterday. [video clip] >> is there any doubt in your mind or in the collective mind of the fbi that president trump was shot in the year by a bullet -- ear in the bullet fired by the assassin, crooks? >> senator, there is no doubt in the fbi's mind whether former president trump was hit with a bullet and wounded in the ear. no doubt in their never has

been. i have been part of this investigation since beginning and that has never been raised. >> you are sure? it was not a space laser? >> no. >> it was not a murder hornets? >> absolutely not. >> it was not sasquatch? >> no, senator. >> it was a bullet? >> it was a bullet. >> fired by crooks that hit president trump in the year and almost killed him? >> 100%. [end video clip] host: that is paul abbate yesterday testifying that it was john kennedy asking the questions. getting your thoughts this morning. gilbert in california. independent. go-ahead. caller: good morning. i would just like to -- i watched the hearing yesterday and it is just like all of them.

they are talking to the box -- to the fox guarding the hen house. thank you. host: what do you mean by that? we lost gilbert. this is peter in dallas. democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i am calling about all of this about donald trump. good morning. host: peter i am listening, what do you have to say? caller: i want to talk about this inquiry that they are having about donald trump and the secret service. did anyone ever think back about how many americans this man caused to liveso many americanss

country are looking over their shoulders, judges, prosecutors, court clerks, people who cannot go about their business. so donald trump posted barack obama's address. and a good man was about two blocks -- a gunman was about two blocks away from his home and he could have been assassinated. host: peter in dallas. this is bill kennedy on facebook writing in about yteay's hearing. "i would love to see the senators get half this uet when we have a shooting at a school or other places. but all that we get for that is thoughts and prayers." that topic also the topic of sarah's column in "usa today."

"the trump shooting must prompt the republicans on the issue of guns. in the united states 327 people are shot every day. on july 13 former president donald trump became one of them. it -- you would think and assassination attempt would force the united states to take gun violence seriously? both the assailant in the park and shooting in the gunman who shot donald trump used ar-style rifles that were obtained glee. the correct response would be to ban assault style weapons. that, in turn, requires a filibuster reform so it would no longer take a super majority to pass legislation that a majority of centers want -- senators want." that in "usa today." 202-748-8000 if you want to join the conversation this morning. 202-748-8000 for the democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans.

independents, 202-748-8002. here is more from that hearing. it was senator josh hawley, the republican senator from missouri who was calling for more accountability of the secret service in the wake of the failures that led to the shooting. [video clip] >> i am trying to find someone who is accountable and you are saying that the person who made the decision not to include this in the perimeter has not been relieved of duty. what about the person who is in charge of the inter-opportunity -- interoperability of radio frequencies. as that person been relieved of duty? >> no because interoperability is a greater challenge than just one person. on that day we had a counterpart system. it failed. >> so the person who made the decision to send donald trump on the stage knowing that you had a security situation, has that person been relieved of duty? has the person who decided not pull the former president off the stage when you knew that

locals were working a serious security situation has that person been relieved to duty. >> i refer you back to my answer that we are investigating this through medicine assurance and opposed to zeroing in on what -- >> what more do you need to know, what more do you need to investigate to know that there were critical enough failures that some individuals ought to be held accountable. what more do you need to know? >> exactly what happened and i need by investigators to do their job. >> a lot of people did not do their job. >> i cannot put my thumb on the scale. >> what do you mean? >> you are asking me to completely make a rush to judgment about somebody failing. i acknowledge that this was a failure. >> is it not part of the conversation that somebody failed. >> sir, this could have been our texas school book depository. i have lost sleep for the last 17 days. >> just fire somebody. >> i will tell you somebody -- senator that i will not rush to

judgment and people will be held accountable and i will do so with integrity, and not rush to judgment and put people unfairly persecuted. >> unfairly persecuted? we have a person who is dead. >> we need to have a proper investigation into this. >> you said earlier that you have to make sure that protocols are followed and unless there is a violation people would not be disciplined. i do not care that much about your protocols. if your protocols do not provide for the fact that when a former president is shot and when an american is killed and when other rally-goer's and innocent people when they are shot at and critically wounded, if that is not a protocol violation then you should revise your protocols. >> this is where you and i agree, this is a ale year and we will get to the bottom of it. >> i hope you will do something about it. [end video clip] host: if you want to watch that hearing in its entirety at c-span.org, that is where you can go.

here is some of the responses to the exchange from your comments on social media. "the bottom line is whoever on the ground in pennsylvania approved the land for the rally even by the secret nervous or local police should be fired on the spot." m saying "enever i hear josh hawley trying to sound like a tough guy i remember him scurrying away from the january 6 insurrectionists." taking your comments on social media, this is tony and texas. -- in texas. morning. caller: i love c-span i cannot get it in hd. my question is did i miss a hearing? i have not heard anything from the butler county sheriff's department yet. do you know if there was a hearing or is there going to be? host: specifically with the sheriff? i know it has been with the fbi and secret service two hearings last w been with the fbi and secret service two hearings last week and one today. i do not know about future

hearing scheduled. what information are you looking for? caller: to me it is sounding like a typical rural territorial dispute. the sheriffs department is the one saying do not need the feds in here and we have it. i would like to hear what the sheriffs department has to say. evidently there were two guys standing there and they left because they were too hot or something like that. host: yesterday they moved inside and there were some reports that it might have been because of the heat and that was why they were not on the roof. caller: i know about the heat, i live in texas and it gets hot. bring water. anyway, i just wanted to say that. maybe i will just call cora and and see if they can -- cornyn and see if they can do something. host: you're going to call him? caller: and i will say maybe you can get the sheriffs office out there. they had the state police out

there. but the part that the fed is not talking about, and the secret service and the fbi will not sell everybody out and said the sheriffs department was incompetent but come on host: this is from " the new york times," one of their 3d images. this is what local law enforcement counter snipers saw from the window inside that building. a third group of three law enforcement counter snipers was stationed in the same warehouse complex that the gunman was on top of lead in an adjacent building according to local law enforcement. let me run through this for what is in the reporting so far. the building that they were in did have windows facing the side of the roof that mr. crooks climbed up but it was unknown if they were assigned to any of those windows that day. the law enforcement officials said that the counter snipers were tasked with watching over the other side of the building further from the gunman. here is that you from the

building and the gunman would have been out of the line of sight. they go on to say that videos and photos reviewed by the time show that what was most likely a fourth team from a local law enforcement agency, roughly 1000 feet away on that roof, was visible several times in the hours and minutes before trump again the speech. that is the latest reporting on that and you say we need to hear more. caller: there was not anybody in the water tower and that should've been the sheriffs department. that was their zone. it is cool. i'm just going to call cornyn. i want to hear from the sheriff department. host: tony and texas. norman in ohio, independent. good morning. caller: i am just wondering, can you show where trump was on fox news a couple of days ago defending his vice president

about a statement that he made. because if you look at trump's ear, it looks perfectly fine. so he was either grazed or something. shot is a bit too much. i mean, agreed that someone attempted something. but, if you can pull it up, look at his ear. host: out of curiosity, why do you think there has been so much focus on the terminology we use when it comes to his ear and the bullet grazed and shot? why has this become such an important part of the debate or one getting a lot of attention on social media? caller: i think it is because of the way that trump explained it. because he said it went through his ear and you know. and it grazed it, may be. it did not go through his ear.

his ear, if you look at it, it is just fine. you cannot even tell there was a scratch on it. i mean can you pull that up on fox so everyone can see that. host: i do not have the clip at my fingertips. but does it make a difference whether it went through or grazed his ear, or are we talking about how he described it? caller: well, with all of the rockets, you know -- ruckus, you know? i think the facts should be put out there. like, the head of the fbi said that it was scrap metal. and then the -- i guess it was the second set it was a bullet. all right. so, there are plenty of people out here with shotguns and they

know what the damage a bullet does. so why can't we just instead of -- why can't we just put that fact along with other facts that you are talking about? host: bob in california. good morning. caller: first time caller. i watched that investigation yesterday and i was so upset when they said they were not for sure if he had taken that ar-15 down and put it in the backpack. if you know the size of that backpack and the size of that weapon, either it water would not fit in there. if it would not, the witnesses that saw him climbing up there, they would see that on his back. there is no way he could climb up on that building holding and ar-15 in one hand and have the other hand able to get up.

it is really simple. that weapon could not be in the backpack and the fbi did not know the size of the weapon and how he could have that fit inside the backpack. host: so your point is you are saying if he was holding it climbing up the building it is just one more obvious thing that was missed, is that what you are saying? caller: yes because there is nowhere you climb up on a ladder or the being by the air conditioner with one hand holding your rifle and the other hand climbing up. so that ar-15, they know the size of that backpack and the size of a collapsible ar-15. i am so upset that they are still investigating that. anyone can look at the size of that backpack and the ar-15. you can either have it in their, or carry it up with a strap.

because it takes one hand to grab the rope to get up. i was so upset that they had not found that out yet. host: in wisconsin, republican. that morning. caller: before i make any comments, i watch the entire hearing yesterday. you need another telephone on there because independents, democrats, republicans and a text and nut jobs. the lady that called in the first time and said this was a hoax and the other gentlemen just disputing whether he got shot with a bullet or grazed or whatever. if you were in the military and you got shot in the year like trump got shot you would've gotten a medal for being wounded in action. it does not matter if you got shot through the year or if he was grazed, he was shot at and got hit. did you see the blood all over his face. tell me he did not get hit.

host: same question as the other caller, why do you think there has been so much focus on the caller saying whether it was a grays are through his ear? why do you think that has become a flashpoint? caller: trump haters do not want to make it look like any sympathy for the man because he was shot at. you know? you watch msnbc, cnn or the other channels they say that it was not a bullet, it was probably some shrapnel from some glass or plastic or whatever that hit him. they will not even acknowledge that the guy got hit by a bullet. they are all trying to spin it that this is no big deal. and you need another telephone number, call in here if you are a whack job trump aide her. that is what you need another telephone number. host: gordon in wisconsin. the acting secret service

director testifying about conspiracy theories that have been lodged against the secret service in the wake of this shooting. here's what he had to say. [video clip] >> i regret that information was not passed the congress and the public sooner with greater frequency and i fear that this lack of information has given rise to multiple false and dangerous conspiracy theories about what took place that day. i want to debunk these theories. let me address one conspiracy directly. the secret service counter sniper neutralized the assailant within seconds after the assailant fired his weapon. that counter sniper had full discretion to use deadly force to stop an attacker and did not need authorization to fire. i am immensely proud of this senseless -- selfless dedication. every day, across the globe the men and women answer the call to protect our nation's leaders and

the standard is no fail for a reason. during our current high operational tempo i want and need to ensure that the secret service workforce are uplifted so they can focus on carrying out the mission. they have my full support, and i am confident in their ability to ensure the safety and security of the people that we protect. they are worthy of trust and confidence and they deserve your support as well as the support of the american people. [end video clip] host: yesterday, the acting secret service director. again, in the wake of his predecessor stepping down after the attack. time for a few more of the calls and you can continue to call on it in the next half-hour but we will switch to open for them because there is a lot going on so i wanted to give you a chance to talk about other topics as well. mike and pennsylvania, -- in

pennsylvania. independent. caller: thank you. i just wanted to call and ask about the ones who said that the assassination was stage. i did hear that during the investigation that one of the officers we do not know if it was in fbi agent or law enforcement agent was told that there was a gunman on the roof and i think they were told two or three times. to me, that is not an act of being staged. that is like, to me, that is like i do not care. they did not care. because of trump. it is -- he is like the most hated president in u.s. history. so that gunman fired at trump, you know, he missed the kill

shot. but he got him a little bit in the ear. i am a man of faith. host: at that hearing yesterday, the secret service director was asked about the issue and said that the information about spotting the shooter was siloed and local law enforcement channels and did not get to the secret service protective detail for the former president and that lack of moving that communication to the people who needed to know it was part of the failures. caller: right. so to me, that is not something that is stage. to me that is being neglectful. i could be wrong, or they did not care or they did not take it seriously. host: carolyn, texas. line for democrats. good morning. caller: wow, we are worried

about trump lying. the billet did not do -- the bullet did not do what they should have done. host: when you say should have done i hope you are not calling for violence and death because that is not something we are going to tolerate. caller: he wants publicity. pray for the man's family was killed. he was not hurt. he is lying. host: melanie and south carolina -- in south carolina. republican. caller: i am glad that it was hot that day because of the other folks had not gone under the tree limbs they may not have seen the shooter on the roof. and i believe those folks going out, they probably would have in him and they were able to say there is a guy on the roof with a gun. if it were not for the folks there paying attention, that information might not have gotten to the other folks. so that was just something that

i wanted to bring up. you know, it is a shame that 100 people had to go to the hospital due to heat related problems, but there were a lot of people hot that day. and you have to look at all of the clothes that people were wearing when they work with the secret service. imagine how hot they were. host: is 7:30 so what we will do is open it up to open forum. any public policy issue that you want to talk about or many political issues happening right now, you can go ahead and call in on that or you can continue to call in on yesterday's hearing with the deputy -- with the acting director of the secret service and the deputy director of the fbi. 202-748-8000 if you are a democrat. 20748-8001 for republicans. independents, 202-748-8002. we will also look for your

comments via social media on x @ cspanwj and facebook.com.cspan, and then text messages. one of the stories that we talked quite about the new information and new developments, the trump campaign seeking more distance from project 2025 is the headline in "the washington times." that is coming after the head of project 2025 steps down this week following criticism from the trump campaign. this is "the wall street journal" reporting "the heritage official who leads project 2025, the conservative road map for the next republican administration is stepping down after president donald trump and his aides publicly criticized the group and democrats decried its proposals as radical and dangerous. paul dans informed the staff this week of his decision.

reactions from senior advisors from susan wiles and chrysalis evita -- chris lacivitia says that reports of project 2025's demise would be greatly welcome and should serve as notice to any group trying to misinterpret their relationship to president trump's campaign that it will not end well to you." this issue playing out on the op-ed pages of "the wall street journal," first in a form of a letter to the editor from the head of the heritage foundation, the group that started this project 2025. kevin roberts is his name. this is the letter to the editor today. he talks about the lies that were set about project 25 -- 2025 "such as the claim that it was created by both heritage -- by president donald trump. both heritage and donald trump have made their that it was not the case.

the truth is that since ronald reagan took office in 1981 heritage foundation has published a new mandate for leadership every four years to serve as a stockpile of conservancy positive -- conservative policy recommendations that our leaders can pick and choose. then as now summaries more americans can find some puzzles that they like and they do not like and that's ok. the border czar, ms. harris and her cronies continue to lie about project 2025, it will only underscore their own dishonestly and failure from our stagnating economy and the problem on the borders." and then, one of the lead editorials from the editorial board of "the wall street journal" takes on the topic. "donald trump various project 2025. you almost have to feel sorry for kevin roberts, the abbasid -- ambitious president of the heritage foundation. he steered the venerable think tank away from some of its

longtime conservative principles to court donald trump only to be spurned by the temperamental former president that he and his institution had courted. the democratic attacks on project 2025 are laughable because mr. trump is never going to have a governing platform. anyone who becomes a political liability to mr. trump is also expendable. the lesson for heritage and other think tanks is that it is better to stick to your principles rather than court the political flavor of the day. also never trust a politician." that is all about project 2025 in "the wall street journal" and other papers. paul dans who led project 2025 was on the program recently talking about the project. this is from that interview we had with him. [video clip] >> to what degree if any did the former president had these preparations or the development of the problem of the policy ideas? >> well, he was president for four years so many ideas are

carry-ons from his original work. i would like to think a lot of it is spring from the first term of trump. but with respect to the actual project, little to none. we came together as 501(c)(3) groups, nonprofit and try to work together and make it a candidate agnostic project. it is really we tailored it to be unapologetically conservative, but really also menu-driven realizing that there are divisions in the movement and where there are divisions we did not try to go one direction or the other. we put the ideas forward. that is ultimately the candidates and now president trump's job to set the policy. it is only recommendations but it is only president trump's team and he himself. >> you said little to numb so the former president had no

direct hand. so that is what it means? >> ok. [end video clip] host: that was paul dans a month and a half ago sitting at this table and now he has out at the heritage foundation. taking your calls again, it is open forum. any public policy issue want to talk about. alexandria, virginia. democrat. that morning. caller: i have not talked to you in a while. i want to take a second and talk about violence. and i really want to challenge the callers to to probably try to be more civil when having these discussions. unfortunately, someone shot at our former president. i do not care who that is, that should not happen in this country. it does happen, but it should not have happened. but what has spurned that is directly speech that he is known to give at his rallies.

there are lots of types of violence. project 2025 is violent, taking away a woman's right for reproduction is violence. donald trump has been known to withhold money from people who have done work for him, which incurs violence for them because they are not able to support themselves. i challenge everyone to be more civil and think about the things that you say on this network or in your personal life and ask yourself does this cause violence or help? most people who get shot at they change their tune a little bit. unfortunately donald trump has not changed his tune or tampered down his rhetoric. instead he has used that flare up a little bit more and get people more riled up. and we see this division. it is no longer between left and right but now between ideologies and such. and really doing damage to us.

no matter what i do to my enemy, i will still be more damaged. think about that, callers. good to talk to you and i hope that everything is well. host: aaron and alexandria -- in alexandria, virginia. holly and d.c., -- in d.c., this morning. caller: that was quite a comment about violence. it seems that the two major parties are vying for each other for which foreign country they can more enraged people about and demonize. and there is just so much going on that it is easy to be distracted. i was distracted, i called and originally to talk about the shooting and it seems like the local police had people stationed in the building at a window behind the roof and they

were for some reason called away from their post. in that lapse of time when they left their post, that is when he climbed up on the roof. if they had stayed where they had been originally assigned, they would have had a perfect view of him right in front of them. right. host: holly. this is rose in illinois. republican. good morning. caller: good morning, first i wrote down everything i want to say. so forgive me if i am talking faster than i should. thank you for your professionalism. you do a wonderful job on television. number two, the gentleman who called from wisconsin five or 10 minutes ago hit it on straight. his answers are perfect. also, trump was shot, that is the bottom line. he has the former president of

the united states. no president is perfect. clinton and kennedy were womanizers. the secret service failed and there was not enough coverage for former president trump. yesterday i listened to the hearing all day. mr. cruz asked the director question, would you specifically have given biden the same coverage that you gave mr. trump? and he was going around back and forth in the bottom line said the director said that president biden would have gotten more coverage. why? because he is the president and has control over the nuclear button. host: anything else you want to add? caller: i just think you are doing a wonderful job and thank you. you are the best news is forecast. host: las vegas, nevada. republican. caller: good morning and how are

you? host: doing well. caller: i want to say about that hearing, i think that director rowe is very dishonest and he has not being forthcoming. at the end of the day he wanted to bring in the butler police and it was not their responsibility. the secret service, that is their job. i do not know how people are keeping calling in and saying it is about the police and not about the police. they are there to assist and not there to be the snipers. so when they see something and they report it, and i am calling bs on the no communication, how do you not have communication. that is secret service 101 if you are protecting a former president or any person, i would. you have to have communication. you know, as far as them getting shot and people saying it was a

graze or this, it does not matter. a person was shot at and other people were killed. and it is really the downfall of our society when people are emotionally void and not empathetic or sympathetic people when these things happen. think it is a shame. and all of these people want to say about trump's rhetoric. i watch every single rally and i stay well-informed with everything because i like to see all sides. he does not say rhetoric. if you think that saying barkers country needs things like a closed border and we need to bring jobs back, that is not rhetoric, those things are facts. i do not know why everybody is against making america the way it is to be but i think it is foolish and people should do their research and really tried to do in word and asked themselves the questions why they feel they need to do instead of looking into media. host: if you are interested in

border issues in the next hour we will be joined by andrew selee, president of the migration policy institute. new numbers that they have put out tracking border crossing and illegal migrants living in this country and we will talk about that in about 15 minutes. 15 minutes left of open forum. 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans and 202-748-8002 for independents. kenneth in texas. good morning. caller: good morning. people might not understand what is fixing to happen. trump and them have states that will refuse to certify the election and they will cause so much chaos it is going to be a throwback to spring court -- to the supreme court and we already know they have been bought. no matter what happens come

november, it looks like trump will take the office because the supreme court has been bought. they are just going to throw it back to the legislators of each state. and those legislatures in the gerrymandered states will name trump their candidate, you know? and we are going to have the first president that was not elected but stolen. thank you. host: in texas. carla in missouri, good morning. caller: my goodness, some of these calls. i agree with the woman from illinois. i think you are doing a good job and you are very professional. you allow people to talk. i would like to call about the

they don't really listen to the news. they just make up their own minds. they call in and say outrageous

things. that is all i want to say. host: before you go, you have been a big consumer of the news throughout your life? caller: always. my dad was a weather caster. and he ran an airport weather station. in missouri. he really -- of course, there was no television back then. we listened to the radio. and then we subscribed to three newspapers and life magazine. my dad and i would sit down during world war ii and just plot where the troops were. i guess i have always been a news junkie. and i was a news reporter for a while when i was in college, and even after, when i retired, i wrote feature stories for a local newspaper. i have always been a news junkie and i love c-span. host: can i ask you about an

incident from the vietnam war and what you remember about it? i ask because this obit on the front page of "the new york times" -- the face of the new -- of the army up us for massacre at my life that horrified -- mai lai that horrified the world. he was the only person convicted with murdering hundreds of vietnamese civilians, an atrocity known as the mai lai massacre. he was 80. his death at a hospital was confirmed this week by the social security administration records. family members did not immediately respond to requests for comment. the washington post learned about it earlier this week. that obit coming this week. do you remember that incident, carla? caller: i absolutely do. host: what do you remember about it? caller: i think it was pronounced "me lie." it was a terrible slaughtering

of people in a terrible way. it was in all the newspapers and magazines and they showed pictures on the magazine and it was really terrible. that is about all i remember. it was all over the country. host: what do you think about his being the only one held responsible, a 24-year-old who had been in vietnam just a few months? caller: he led his troops to do this slaughter. i think photographers took pictures of it as they were doing. and those pictures were published. that is about all i remember. i think i was in college at the time. host: thanks for letting us make use of your 91 years. we will talk. caller: thank you, john.

you are doing a good job. host: thank you, carla. it was "the washington post" who first reported the story. about 10 minutes left in our open forum. we will have open forum again a little later in our program as well. this is scott in kansas, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning, john. like a lot of callers, i really do appreciate c-span. i am calling for a couple reasons. sunday, there was a man with the heritage foundation and unelected leader, and i honestly believe the heritage foundation -- earlier, you mentioned that kamala harris was the czar, but there is nothing in writing that gives her that responsibility.

the big point is that the constitution is the supreme law of the united states, and it delegates border security to the congress. i just find it weird that americans keep wanting an executive who writes executive orders that are temporary. each time we get a president, they write executive orders that don't necessarily last in the next administration, when it really should be congress that writes the laws that protect the border and understand labor rights, women's rights. but there are three things that i do believe. donald trump was shot by a bullet. climate change is real and man-made. and that congress should be doing its job, and that should be the focus of americans' ire, more so than the president. anyway, it is a beautiful day and i thank you for c-span.

have a great day. host: why do you think congress gets away with shirking the responsibility and that we focus so much on the president? is it because there is one person we can focus on versus 535? caller: yes, and i also believe media is to blame. the problems in america started with the abolishment of the fairness doctrine. i remember what rush limbaugh used to say, and other people. they would say terrible things about democrats. they would call them names. it is because there is not a balanced media that actually talks about the constitution and who is responsible for what. and yeah, it is easy to focus on one person, but it is really, in our supreme law, congress that has to do the job, right? saying who should be fired -- i

would say you should because you have not done anything about gun violence and everybody in america knows it is a problem. host: out for a walk this morning in the sunflower state. this is lloyd in west virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. i would just like to say that the woman that had the job in charge of the secret service, it was on her. how come they did not call on biden and kamala for not doing their jobs? host: she resigned. caller: either way, she knew she was going to lose her job. anyway, may your kiss, he never done -- mayorkas never did nothing. biden and kamala let these

people in here that did harm to people. they should lose their job. as far as kamala goes, she is going to want to be president. she did not even know who was our ally in korea. she said north korea was our ally. and she didn't do anything at the border, which was her job. what has she done? host: in chicago, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. can you hear me? ok, i have a suggestion, john. we have so many problems in our country, and especially in chicago. cannot people call in once a week just to give ideas on how to solve some of these problems? because we need to help the police and our schoolteachers. they are overwhelmed. we need to help solve these problems by bringing them up and

telling what we think should be done. host: what is your suggestion for the week? caller: number one, i was thinking we have a hundred people shot in one of our weekends. and also in america there is millions of dollars being raised for fighting and hating on each other in the political arena. why can't people raising all these money -- they have all this money to raise and fight and hate each other. why can't they take this money, build some homes, build some businesses, and set up some centers for these children out here, 12, 14, tearing up businesses with cameras, and robbing people, and stealing cars? why can't we raise money to help the people who need the money? that is one of my suggestions. in the second one is for people to call up and not say anything

nasty about anyone. if you do not have any suggestions to solve problems, do not call up. we are looking stupid to the rest of the world. we have problems and we are sitting around hating and laughing, putting people down. we are better than this. host: this is marcus in hinesville, maryland, democrat. caller: good morning. are there any updates about israeli soldiers caught sodomizing palestinian civilians? host: we do not have foreign correspondence at c-span. we go through the news each day. what are you specifically focusing on? you want to focus more on foreign policy topics? caller: right.

i came across an article. other than that, i have not heard anything on mainstream news networks. i was just wondering if c-span had any more information on it. host: marcus, you are welcome to go to your news sites and find the stories you are interested in. this is clay in wisconsin, republican. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call, john. yes, talking about policies, i certainly was disappointed and actually disgusted to see neither president biden or vice president harris showed up for benjamin netanyahu's speech to congress. i feel that was really disrespectful to our most important ally. we are finding out, and we will find out, more and more about vice president harris's extreme

policies and radical direction she would take this country, things like the open border, legal immigration, decriminalize it, free health care for illegal immigrants, student loan cancellation, and eliminate private health care. that is scary. the cost that will do to our country will be immense. title ix for girls and women sports, she opposes. just like we have found with some of the candidates here in wisconsin for senate, she wants to defund the police and dismantle ice. she supports sanctuary cities

and opposes parental rights for kids as far as sex education and gender reaffirmation. so i'm just really terrified what direction she would take this country. we are safer and more prosperous. we saw that with president trump . as a country, we are safer and more prosperous. and we won't be under another harris/biden administration, because where this is going is not a good thing for this country. host: what are your thoughts about the latest polling that shows kamala harris does better than joe biden was doing against donald trump in wisconsin? one of the latest polls, she has

a slight lead. caller: i think people, just like for the senate race for ron johnson, we found candidate mandela barnes. we found the record. that coronation or that honeymoon, as they call it, will be over, because the record is the most radical socialized record that could ever, or has ever been seen. i think people don't know her record, and that is why she does not come out and answer questions. that is why, and that is what we will find out. it is an extreme radical record. the polls can change, yes. right now, people are excited because joe biden was not in a good situation. we all saw that. this will change and it will change quickly. host: this is one needed in south carolina, independent. good morning.

-- this is juanita in south carolina. caller: this message i hope will be heard by some members of congress. i watched a little bit of the senate hearing yesterday on the aftermath of the shooting of president trump. first of all, senator hawley, please stop with the grandstanding. where was all this grandstanding after the uvalde children were shot? as tragic as it was, president trump did not die. but if he had, he is a 78-year-old man who has lived most of his life. those children in uvalde, texas did not have a chance to live their life. who is to say there may not have been one who grew up and found

the cure for cancer, or who grew up in composed great music? president trump had and has a chance to live 78 long years. those children's life was cut short. i did not hear any of this phony outrage from congress. if they want to see who is to blame for shooting president trump, look in the mirror. thank you for taking my call. host: south carolina, our last caller in this first segment. any public policy issue, any political issue you want to talk about. now is the time for you to lead the discussion. edna is up first in chicago. good morning. edna, are you with us? what is on your mind? this is open for them. caller: i would like to know why so many people are so upset

about people crossing the border. we need the help. when it legal, as you say. why don't these people stay and fight for their country? that is what we are doing. we are fighting for our country, and we intend to fight for our democracy here. why don't they stay home and fight? host: in chicago, this is cj in weatherford, texas, republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i am a resident of two different border states. i was raised in california and i moved to texas about five years ago. my father was a lieutenant commander for the los angeles sheriff's department. i remember back in the early 1970's, him coming home pretty upset about something, and he never brought work home, but this was one issue he brought home that i have never forgotten about. it was solidified by the removal of logistics.

it had to do with the border in the immigration. my father was a police chief at the time. one day, he would come home and talked about a memo that was sent out to every law enforcement agency in the country. a lot of people don't remember this. back then, green buses were coming and going, deporting people on a regular basis. that day that he came home and was upset, a memo was released to all the law enforcement agencies in the country by the federal government, telling them they no longer had the authorization to arrest and deport people. and if anybody remembers those green buses, it was like overnight those green buses disappeared completely. then when donald trump came in, he was running on a platform of

letting a wall. people seemed to be upset about building a wall. it just did not make any sense not to secure our border when the population of the world got to the point where it was at, when migration started going like that. this problem did not just happen. this problem goes way back to them, when we stopped the program of deportation. host: rashida is in chester, virginia, democrat. caller: good morning. i want to say that i truly appreciate the conversation about immigration. i am in immigration -- immigrant who came into this country 41 years ago with a visa. i finished school. i served in the army for 34 years. i was a foreign officer. i also retired.

my oldest son served eight years in the army. he was a police chief at an army base in germany. my younger son did eight years in the army. right now, he is finishing his law degree at howard university. my other son graduated from dental school in may. what can an immigrant bring to this country? i hope i did not butcher your name. you said we need to know the sectors that want to bring people in. wouldn't that also box individuals who want to come to this country? they all have potential. this should not -- this country should not be in the business of saying we need laborers, and therefore we are only going to bring people in those sectors. people's potentials cannot be

defined today. only god knows. host: why did you come to the country from senegal in 1983? caller: i came to pursue my education, which i did. i got a bachelor degree, and's degree, and i went to the institute of the federal government. my next step would be the executive service. i just retired from the army and spent time in civil service. i also served in afghanistan. i am a senior advisor at nato. from an immigrant perspective, that is a positive thing i think we need to focus on too. host: do you mind talking about your experience on 9/11 at the pentagon, just what you remember from that day?

caller: yes. i just left the section that was the side that was hit. we were working on some stuff. 20 minutes later, my wife called me and said, babe, i am watching new york. planes just hit the world trade center. as i was speaking to my wife, all of a sudden, the plane hit the pentagon. everything pretty much collapsed in my office. i am a survivor of 9/11 and i am an immigrant. i serve this country both in uniform and in civil service. that's all i have to say. host: thanks for sharing your story. deerfield, independent, good morning. caller: good morning, america.

this is chris. i went to miami to go to the justin timberlake concert. as i was leaving, i asked the police officer have to get the bright line. he did not speak english and he got me lost. also, i think the immigrants work for like $12, 13 dollars an hour. it's not that americans don't want to do the jobs. they just don't want to do it for that kind of wage. after taxes, you are not really making any money. let's crackdown on the people who hire illegal immigrants who don't pay into taxes, and you can go in the sugarcane fields where they are making two dollars an hour, for what i hear. host: this is sandy in torrance, california. open forum. what is on your mind? caller: how are you? i've got a few things on my

mind. i'm going to run through them real quick. i wrote them down. first, i think your guest was a bit disingenuous. i think he was a fast talking liberal. they go "right, right" after every single line they say. he is not right. the people freeing -- flaying oppression are supposed to go to the first safe country, and that is not our country. our first border is mexico. so all these migrants coming from all these other places, they ought to go to the first safe country if they are seeing oppression. also, the 14th amendment, when it was past or put in to be an amendment, was meant for the chinese people that were here, to make them legal. not to be best or diced -- bastardized for everyone who jumps over the border and has a

baby. reagan, the reason republicans are so cautious now because when reagan agreed to grant amnesty to like 3 million illegals in exchange for the border, liberals did not do it. they betrayed him. also, i feel bad. slavery was wrong. but it was people in africa who brought the slaves over to america. host: this is tony in arizona. good morning. caller: good morning. i have lived in every region of this country. i also have dual citizenship. italy. i like to deal in reality.