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you're a great addition to the crew there. my faith, i have complete faith in the system. dominion, voting machines. what was it? $800 million settlement against fox for false claims against their machinery? so, what does that tell you? it tells you a lot, unless you don't believe in the law, unless you don't believe in the court system, unless all of a sudden when mr. trump emerged on the scene, all of a sudden there's a big question about our laws and four order and how, you know, it's not accurate and how our elections are not accurate and all of a sudden -- only because he lost. so, you know, he's not a businessman. he claims to be a businessman. he was a tv reality show host.

he's an actor who plays the role of a businessman on "the apprentice." his father left him over $200 million. he inherited a huge fortune that he did not earn. he's not his own man. you know, you put money in the bank every six to seven years, it doubles on its own. how long ago did he inherit that money? 30, 40 years ago? host: so rob, to the question, your level of faith, if former president trump were to win re-election in november, do you still have faith in american democracy? caller: say again. host: would you still have faith in american democracy if former president trump were to win the white house again in november? caller: of course. you know, his family, when he passed the tax cut, his family, if you calculate it out, he didn't take a salary but he made

between $100 billion to $300 -- i'm sorry, $100 million to $300 million in tax savings between himself his daughter, his family benefited from the tax breaks that he put in place when he first got into office. that's how he got paid. host: all right. got your point, rob. we'll go to mark in scottsdale, arizona, on the independent line. good morning, mark. caller: hey, c-span. how are you doing? yeah, about democracy, let me just say i'm an independent but i am all in for trump. i guess ultimated to talk about democracy. that's fine, i suppose. i thought it would be open line, but really, it's the abortion issue and the supreme court and voting system. if these politicians could

really focus on those two things, very simple, i mean, our democracy will be safe. let's just state that fact. all that's hyperventilating about saving democracy, it's all going to circle around the supreme court, how we reformatory, if at all, and then the voting practice, which we definitively need to reform. and i don't understand why people in this country, our politicians don't just take wholesale with certain countries do with other policies. why not adopt plans from the rest of the world that actually work? and i apologize for being a little nervous. host: that's all right. thanks for your call. we'll go to pat in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, on the republican line.

good morning, pat. caller: good morning. how are you? host: great, thanks. caller: the democra

free speech to question the war, free speech to question ukraine and gaza and now, you're seeing big tech, which was all in on the destruction of donald trump from 2017 on, and they changed all of the machinery, all of the search engines, all of the mechanisms of google to make sure that the dystopian democrat meeting cartels were in the front of the line and the american people were in the back. and now what is happening? we're seeing these manufactured polls in order to create the illusion of the democratic party being in front. i can absolutely guarantee you this. when i changed political parties in 2020 to vote for trump, i never imagined that we would be at this place. so if you are african american, if you're a gay person like i am, you better run to vote for

trump as president and if you're an african american, you better run to vote for trump because democratic establishment will literally destroy you. look at gensler and the treasury. all of the rights of the american people are evaporating in your face in real time. being from pennsylvania, you better vote like your life depends on it because it does. host: good morning, annette from the independent line. caller: good morning. i'm here. thank you for having me. thank you for taking the call. i do believe that democracy is on the line. i believe that the promise of america is on the line with this next vote. the trump administration, the trump candidacy has said that

they want to suspend the constitution. they have said that they want to render people indiscriminately to deport them and do a number of things. i think frederick douglass said it best, the problem is whether the american people can be honest enough, loyal enough, honor enough, patriotism enough to live up to their own constitution. i think the promise of the constitution is at stake. i believe that the harris administration will be one that does intend to live up to the promise of the constitution. i believe that vice president

harris has lived her life for the desire of freedom, justice and the american promise. i believe that both of her parents were people that were academics and fighters for freedom. and i believe that this constitution is at stake on all branches of government because donald trump has said that he wants to actually replace people even down to the lowest level of career civil service. i believe that the supreme court has ruled in an abominable way and unethical way to not live up to the constitution. so yes, i do believe that we are -- that the democracy is at stake and the former caller said something about african

americans needing to vote for trump. the idea of voting for someone who by his own -- by his every word is a liar, a cheater and someone that has said that he is against ethnic diversity and ethnic affirmation is a tragedy that you would think that someone who is african american would be ignorant enough, foolish enough and self-loathing enough to vote for donald trump is an abomination in and of itself. host: donald trump spoke about democracy during his acceptance speech at the republican national convention in wisconsin last month.

here is a clip of that. [video clip] mr. trump: this election should be about the issues facing our issues and how to make america successful, safe, free, and great again. [applause] in an age when our politics too often divide us, now is the time to remember that we are all fellow citizens. we are one nation under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [applause] and we must not criminalize, dissent or demonize political agreement which is what's happening in our country and that fitter the democratic parties should immediately stop

weaponizing the justice system and labeling their political opponents as an enemy of democracy. [applause] especially since that is not true. in fact, i am the one saving democracy for the people of our country. [applause] and very big news that you probably just read. on monday, a major ruling was handed down from a highly respected federal judge in florida, aileen cannon. finding that the fake documents case against me were totally unconstitutional and the entire case was thrown out of court. [applause] thrown out of court.

if democrats want to unify our country, they should drop these partisan witchhunts that i've been going through approximately eight years and they should allow an election to proceed which is worthy of our people. we're going to win it anyway, but worthy of us. host: we are hearing from you this morning about your level of faith in american democracy. you can give us a call. you can also tweet or send us a text. some facebook comments coming in. this one from ann green. she says i have faith in america and good people donald trump and republican leaders care about neither. he will lose again. first the election and then his freedom. ordinary americans will save our constitution and democracy. jim dahmer says i have total faith in our republic and our constitution. unfortunately i cannot say how it is implemented by the federal government and certain states.

and dave says democracy that democratic leaders and media are proclaiming for 18 million people voted for one person and two months later forced out, is that democracy? we'll go back to the phones and we will hear from sandra in alabama on the independent line. good morning, sandra. caller: good morning. i would just like to state that i am -- i do think democracy is on the line. roosevelt said that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. and fear is a fragment of our imagination that appears to be real. and that's what donald trump projects on us. be afraid. be afraid of your neighbor. be afraid of the democrats. just be afraid. and i just feel that if he's back in office that we will lose

our democracy. if kamala harris get into office, our democracy would still be at risk because donald trump is not going to stop. he's going to protest. he stated in one of his rallies about the electoral, people in georgia. he calls them out. you know, saying that they have everything under control. they have put people in place to challenge the electoral slate that will be presented. we had mike johnson who will do everything in his power to prevent kamala harris from being elected. so i would strongly suggest to everyone to get out and vote. just come out in large numbers, not to allow 2% victory in none of the states.

we, the people, have to rise up to the occasion and fight by voting. and i think that's what we need to do. and thank you for your time. host: steve, anaheim, california, on the republican line. good morning, steve. caller: good morning. i got four videos i think people should watch. farewell, iran -- 1913, the seas of conflict, made in 2015, pbs. 1945, the savage teeth, 1948, the catastrophe. since i got that off my chest, i think everybody should watch those.

you can stream them or you can buy them on amazon or whatever. ok. democracy. the problem with democracy right now is that the voters does not elect the representative. you may get them nominated, but the contributors do. and with the last, i don't know, since clinton, you have the globalization of -- which is basically with democrats which has caused, i don't know, millions of jobs, and tons of poverty. and then you have the republican, my party, which are the conservative, which doesn't want to pay for nothing. and that has brought us to the situation that we have now. trump is right on this one. it is important about the issues, not about what race i am, what color my skin is, what gender i am or what sexual orientation i am. that's what the democrats are putting forward here. and they're avoiding the immigrants -- excuse me, they're avoiding the issues.

a little background on -- she came out and made a lot of promises which she never delivered, such as i'm going to reduce all the federal charges against people that have low gun charges, and instead, she increased arresting people. the other one was during the housing debacle. we're going to look into all these fake banks that borrow these loans and stop you from kicking you out of your house, which she did nothing. that's basically what -- it prevented -- because i'm all over the place here. host: yeah. we'll give somebody a chance to

chime in as well. we'll go to jeffrey in las vegas, nevada, on the democrats line. good morning, jeffrey. caller: hi. this is jeffrey. yes, i have great faith in democracy, and i truly believe that through democracy of the people that we will not elect someone that's been found guilty of a crime to be our president of the united states. so i have great faith in our democracy. host: you're in las vegas and you're a democrat. are you going to be seeing the vice president today? are you going to attend her rally? caller: i probably won't. my wife plans to go, but i'll probably be working. host: you can watch it on c-span. we'll have it live here. john in north carolina on the independent line. good morning, john. caller: yes, thank you, ma'am. i can't believe these democrats

wanting to -- they complain about all these -- to our cities like new york, chicago, and all of that. i don't understand if they didn't want it then, how come they're wanting it now? that's amazing to me. i mean, they'll call good evil and evil good. we're all going to have to stand and give an account in what we do through you and me. so i don't understand how in the world when people love her so much when they didn't love her before. i mean, just overnight, they kick joe biden out. i'm republican. i'll never vote for democrat and they kicked him out. i mean, is that democracy? nobody voted for kamala harris to be president exempt for these -- except these few -- and look who she picked for her vice president. somebody wanting to put condoms in fourth grade bathroom for boys. i mean, have people lost their mind?

host: ann in sydney, ohio, on the republican line. good morning, ken. caller: yes, good morning. i'm getting tired of democrats mischaracterizing that immunity case that they decided in the supreme court. and i even heard democrat politicians saying that trump could order seal teams to murder somebody and he would be immune from it and that is not true at all. it has to be a whip -- his presidential powers. and he would be held responsible. in the democrats like to characterize themselves as great protectors of democracy when they tried to keep trump from being on ballots falsely in the united states.

that's not democratic. telling us who you can vote for. and they schemed and stabbed joe biden in the back until they got them not to run. -- got him not to run. what about the 17 million people who voted in primaries for? and i don't support him but that's not democratic either. it is hypocritical on the democrats part. in they mischaracterized the roe v. wade decision, too. they say the republicans are taking women's rights away from them. when in reality, it just goes back to the individual state and some great man said that democracy is best when it's closest to the people.

how much closer could you get than the people of each individual state deciding their abortion laws? host: this headline from abc news. the article is from may. says democracy is a top concern for many voters. we asked them why. and the article says voter feel -- voters feel unrepresented with little recourse. across the board, voters were deeply frustrated over the state of democracy suggesting that the country was off on the wrong track and expressing pessimism about whether it could improve. they were also dissatisfied with the candidates they had to choose from. democracy won't get better in our lifetime, one voter said. several participants expressed the idea that the government was not representing the will of the people or the need of middle class taxpayers.

many also said that democrats and republicans need to work together more and were concerned about what they saw as deep partisan divides in both washington and across the country and perhaps unsurprisingly for a group of voters who had fully committed to either candidate, they wished they had more choices in whom to vote for and believe democracy would be better served if there were more than two major parties. we'll hear from harold in illinois on the democrats line. good morning, harold. caller: good morning. i'm very scared for our democracy. i'm seeing some very bad things happening and i don't think our founding fathers or any politicians since then have ever imagined that we would elect a president like that and to nominate him as a major party candidate. my main concern is these secret documents.

i would like to -- we've had two presidents that have been charged with these documents. one of them kept the documents even after he was subpoenaed to give them back. the other one went and looked for documents to make sure he didn't have none and cooperated completely with the justice system. i would like to know who's in charge of our secret documents and why boxes of secret documents are out there for anybody to hold on to? the librarian at my local library knows where every book is checked out and who it's checked out to. i'd like to nominate her to keep control of our secret documents. and i think that the documents that he didn't give back after he said that he gave them all back, i would like to know what those documents are because i don't think he's in a historical, a political

historian just reading over these documents. i think he's selling them to other countries just like he drifts off of everything he does. he sells flags, hats, he sells shirts with his picture on it. he sells parts of his suit. he's a grifter. he's wanting to make money off of the presidency. host: all right. got your point, harold. host: ryan in massachusetts on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. the question was about faith in democracy. first about, we are not a democracy, we are a constitutional republic. that is a liberal talking point. since 2020, the liberal party of america, the democrats, used covid and covid shots to violate our medical privacy and first amendment rights. they worked in conjunction with

the social media websites and lecture us about democracy, but the dnc has had a nonworking election. local governments who are liberal, and colleges, have frequently violated free speech. i had it happen to me twice with a trespass order when i brought a trump flag to college. as far as i'm concerned, under biden-harris and harris in the future, our free speech is on the line, and so is our border security and our economic security. host: on my prompter it is showing you are an independent voter. it sounds like you are a trump supporter? caller: i am a registered independent voting for trump in massachusetts. i am going to a trump rally this morning. host: john in ventura, california on the republican line. caller: good morning. it is an interesting question today.

one of the things i want to point out is in democracy you have to live within the constitution. the constitution is a very thought out, difficult document that you have to reach compromises to do that. the people that are going to destroy the democracy is the democrats because they want to change the constitution. they don't want to live within the constitution. they want to change it. they want to pack the supreme court. they want to get rid of the filibuster. they want to have immigrants, noncitizens, voting. they have no primary in their democratic -- there is no primary. they just coronated kamala. if you are looking at actually

getting rid of democracy, it is the democrats that will be changing the constitution and not living within the constitution. that is why this whole thing about save -- no, they are not going to save democracy. they are going to destroy democracy and they are going to make the playing field not equal. so, be very wary. i feel so sorry for the black community because the black democratic leaders are so bad. the black democratic leaders have voted to keep illegal immigration. that takes the black american's jobs. it destroys the black american poor communities. the black democratic leaders are complicit in destroying the constitution, bending the rules, and putting everything -- and who suffers? the black people as a community. they are being led like sheep

and i hate to see it. host: steve in texas, next on the independent line. caller: good morning. this is a fascinating discussion. thank you for hosting it. i am hoping i can talk for a couple of minutes on institutional problems. we are not having a donald trump problem in this country. we are having a maga-ism that has replaced the republican party. we need two strong parties, we need three strong equal branches of government, and that is with the -- that is what the threat to democracy is now. it is not donald trump. it is not the squad. it is none of these people. it is institutional problems that are endangering free and fair elections in this country. that is what needs to be the focus of people. stop talking about the man with the camp on -- tampon on his

ear, and about the experiment of independent united states work for 250 years. there needs to be friction between these groups. it is the only thing that has made our system work. host: you mentioned institutions. give me an example of something you would like to see done with an institution. caller: obviously, we have a problem with our supreme court not having a code of ethics or method for controlling them. that has put the balance out of power. the supreme court is giving significant executive powers that have never existed before to the executive office. they are giving immunity to anything that a president does in office. by donald trump's own words, joe biden could order donald trump to be assassinated tomorrow and he would have complete immunity

because it was done under his presidential orders. host: that was steve in texas. harold, earlier, one of our callers, brought up the documents cases. in june, house speaker mike johnson announced a strategy for cracking down on the alleged weaponization of the department of justice in some of these issues. here are his comments from that press conference. [video clip] rep. johnson: something is happening in the country right now, and i have been traveling around the country. i was out this past week and the rust belt, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, illinois. when the verdict came down against president trump there was something palpable. i don't know if you sensed it where you were over the past week, but people realized we have reached a new low. when you have activist prosecutors, and the democratic party, who are so desperate

because of the presidential campaign and the way it is going, they understand donald trump in the polling is crushing joe biden. they are in panic mode on the democratic side and are so desperate to stop donald trump. he is winning in the swing states, winning among the people, winning among new demographics that have never voted republican before. they see this happening and are so desperate to stop him they are willing to use the judicial system to do so. it is a new low and a dangerous one. because what they are doing is they are eroding the people's faith in our system of justice itself. as leader scalise said, you have to believe justice is blind, that there is equal justice under the law to maintain a constitutional republic. this goes to the foundation of who we are as a nation, and that is why it is bigger than just president trump. it is bigger than these cases. it is about our system itself. because of that, there is a backlash. president trump hit a fundraising record within 24

hours of the verdict. we did as well on our fundraising platforms. we raised record amounts of money because people understand what is at stake. this is not just a contest between two individuals for president. it is about if we will defend the integrity of the system itself. and we will do everything within the scope of our responsibility to address it appropriately. i announced to our conference we are working on a three-pronged approach. you heard leader scalise and others reference it today. we are looking at various approaches to what can be done through the appropriations process, legislative process, through bills we will be advancing through our committees and putting on the floor for passage, and through oversight. all of those things will be happening vigorously because we have to do that. the stakes are too high. people are losing faith in our institutions, and that, at the end of the day, is something

that should concern every one of us. host: we have 20 minutes left in this segment, hearing your thoughts on the level of your faith in american democracy. a couple of texts. sandy in bloomington, indiana. if trump should be elected he will do everything he can to do dismantle our democracy as we know it. he is surrounded by sociopaths who will help him and his goal and damaging our great country. can our democracy survive him? i think it is a tossup. as an independent, and i feel democracy will survive. worried if harris-walz gets in, trump follows the constitution and laws. tired of the lies of the dems and how they constantly want to change the constitution and laws when things don't go how they want. they have become the threat. look what they did to biden.

joan in minnesota. we will go back to our phones and hear from christopher in detroit on the democrats line. good morning, christopher. caller: good morning. i would like to think you all do such a great job at c-span. it's really the -- odds are -- host: we are having a hard time hearing you. we are only hearing every couple of words. do you want to try to call back? caller: can you hear me better now? host: now i can. go ahead. caller: joseph on last week, professor from texas. talked about the responsibility of all of the racism from the

republican party. i would encourage all of your listeners to go back and listen to that. your callers talking about -- a president shouldn't be about -- host: we are still having a hard time hearing you, christopher. try to give us a call back and we will see we can get a better connection. we will hear from jerry in broadway, virginia on the independent line. good morning, jerry. caller: good morning. i have a message for all of these people out there claiming to be democrats. socialism is not democracy. socialism is communism. they did everything in the world they can think of to try to get

rid of donald trump. impeach him on made up lies. tried to bankrupt him. try to put him in jail. now they even tried to assassinate him. that is democracy? host: scott in texas on the republican line. good morning, scott. caller: thank you for having my call this morning. i am scott from texas. just a big, big time election. really worried about the future of america. we really need to come together as a nation. i truly feel that donald trump is our option. he's not a great character, but his policies is what america needs, especially for all of the border states. and it's just, you know, a really big election and it's

time to come together as a nation. thanks for the call. host: manuel in inglewood, california on the democrats line. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. a great subject this morning to speak about. the question being, what is my level of faith in american democracy, i would say that my level of faith in democracy is high, although i question whether going forward -- i believe it is in danger. i thought it was interesting listening to the statement by mike johnson, who claimed the republicans were winning in every state. i am inclined to believe that he was encouraged to say that by his almighty leader to let

people know there is still hope. i think they are surely behind. the democracy part, i must remind people i don't think it's in question that our monetary system that we operate under it is still on our coins and dollars, "in god we trust." my trust is in god. my trust is in the constitution. which is the foundation of our republican democracy. we have a declaration of independence. i do not believe regardless of what side you want to be on of the aisle that a one-man rule is anything close to defining anything remote similarity to democracy. so i think we are in a place now

where we have to redefine what democracy really is. host: how would you define it? caller: i would define it as, we have one vote per citizen, we have a single-rule, we have a system by which we have an opportunity to all weighing on through our votes. democracy is the pillar of the will of the people. and the people right now, though will, are crying out for things we are not seeing. the supreme court justice trying to declare total immunity to one person to shield him from prosecution, i don't call that democracy. i call democracy the will of the people. as they ruled against and ruled

against roe v. wade in abortion rights after 50 years of being in effect, we know in every state where they are putting it on the ballot the people are saying contrary to agreement to that. they are voting for, yes, we do need some form of abortion. although i do question the limitations. and i am not 100% for abortion-rights unlimited. but all i'm saying is this. we have the foundation, which is the constitution. and we do not have a one-man rule. we have a rule of law, which we are trying to get away from, which is deteriorating our democracy. we have a rule of law based on a set of laws and the will of

the people. host: i got your point. let's hear from toya in ohio on the independent line. caller: good morning, good morning. i want to go back on the california caller about four to five calls before. he said black jobs. ok that is a racist comment to me. it is a dog whistle. i'm surprised he was able to finish that. what is a black job? i would ask him what is a black job? if he thinks immigrants are taking black jobs, black people work everywhere. we are the vice president. you have a person who won a gold medal, simone biles. myself, i have an awesome job. my brother is the head of an electric company.

we should have asked him, what is a black job? immigrants -- he is making it seem like we are supposed to work in the fields. going back into the decades of picking cotton. this is what these so-called -- i am not a racist person, but the certain maga far-right people, racist white folk will say a black job. you see the former president of the united states talking about a black job. another topic is, people are voting for a convicted felon. a regular person who goes into a job, they try to get a job and they have a felony, they are not going to get a job. here is part of america voting for this guy and he is a

convicted felon. and the reason why i think his fear. fear of the unknown. what policies has he given? people forget what happened four years ago. we had this country four years ago. no, we did not. people were fighting for toilet paper in the pandemic. he got slighted the pandemic and people were fighting for food and toilet paper. host: bringing it to our question, what is your level of faith in democracy? what you just brought up, how does that make you feel about it? caller: the president of the united states, the former president, wants to take away the constitution. as a very scary thing. look up project 2025. people need to get real and really look at that, because everything in their this man, trump, is really going to enforce that.

you know what, he might be playing golf, but the people under him -- the first time he got it wrong. the second time he won't get it wrong. if he goes into being the president he will be a dictator. host: we will hear from clark in peach creek, west virginia on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning, ma'am. first of all, i have very little confidence in the democrats of this country. first of all, these candidates preach that they love america. they are dividing this country. it is going to be one sorry shape before this is over with. i think that all four candidates need to back off, stop their rhetoric on both sides, and let someone who is faith-oriented in

the constitution, in god, and their neighbor. these people. i am like the lady. there are things going on now in america that should never be. i don't even want to speak about birth control. that should be up to the man and woman to make sure that they don't get pregnant or things like that. but they need to back off. let somebody that is really qualified. not old and decrepit. i'm not saying that either one is, but -- it would take another 15 to 20 years to get this country back in shape where it was when i was a young man. in 1952 i was born. i can go back and show you statistics of what things cost then and what they cost now. also, a price freeze should be

initiated now before they go to some other country and get away from america, because they are not fit, neither party, to be president of this united states. host: let's hear from robert in raleigh, north carolina on the democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning, c-span. you were talking about democracy. we have to stand up for our democracy. we have to be able to go to the polls and vote. we cannot be suppressed our vote. people have a right to speak out and speak up. harris and biden will get the cease-fire deal and bring our hostages home. we look at hard work. it's good work. democrats focus on the future, with affordable childcare, paid leave, owning their own home, building wealth, lower cost-of-living. we have to bring down the prices in the grocery stores, put the

middle class first. harris says that she will build a strong border with security. and so people can get their citizenship. have freedom to vote. i look at roe v. wade. we cannot deprive any person of life, liberty, and their property. we have to continue to stand up for democracy. host: that was robert in north carolina. he mentioned voting rights. this article from nbc news, the headline is georgia gives local officials new powers to investigate election results. the headline, trump cheered on the appointed official who approved the rule change at a rally last weekend, calling them pit bulls fighting for honesty. a move that could delay or derail future postelection

certification processes in a 3-2 vote. the republican-controlled state election board voted to define the certification of election results as "attesting after reasonable inquiry that the tabulation and canvassing of the election are complete and accurate and that the election results are a true and accurate accounting of all votes cast in that election." the rule does not define reasonable inquiry, which means that different counties will likely interpret the rule differently. it is expected to allow county election boards to request information and potentially delay or block certification results if they see fit. shirley in beaver falls, pennsylvania. caller: first of all, we have to pursue something other than the

democrat party or the republican party. one person governing this world. freedom, paying all of these utility bills. freedom, paying high taxes and knowing how to leverage it all. we need freedom from all of these high-priced gas bills. we need a new model car that doesn't put all of this pollution out here in the world. we need someone that understands foreign affairs as well as usa. we need someone that want to control this world and the people in an ownership manner like -- dictatorship to do

something, they have the upper hand over god and jesus christ. they have not done what they are supposed to do from day one. -- they have starved for years because of it. he didn't want to pain people, like the atmosphere that was going on in the world. they want smaller homes, smaller this. we have gigantic homes. right now we cannot afford it. host: leah in anderson, south carolina on the republican line. ♪