in 60 minutes on d w, the words people have to say is too much. that's why we listen. because every weekend on d w, the hello and welcome to another episode of the 77 percent. my name is edith kimani, and this week we are in come from a town location in northwest and kenya on this week. so we're talking about what it means to be forced to leave your home and adapting to a life of not knowing if or when you ever go back. here's what it's prepared for you. we meet for a few days and see how they're living in kenya and beyond. in south africa,

we'll find out what drives been appropriate. you said in communities and we'll meet with zillow, because while i take a pop would be a career, you've got an office living in brandon. so let's begin right here in talking about . it's a small town, a few hours from the border to south to done, and it's home to one to 10 years to largest refuge account. now the camp was established in 1992 and it's home to nearly 200000 refugees and asylums. because when we some of them during the show, but for now, this is nancy mckennie. she's an aspiring model, and students who have lived here for 7 years and wants to be a voice for her community. so surely. who went to then her to show us around my name is when i'm a student and what else? and this is my tone. we're in customer, small town in kenya is very remote,

and i read all the time and look at the sound lies in the homeland of the past release to kind of community. but in the last uh, 2 years, it has to come to around 200000 refugees living in the sacraments of coma and kind of bringing the hash climate to discuss it to you over sources like water and food, make a couple months, no easy place to leave for both locals and procedures with people from places like south to down. so mind you and d. r. c. customize a mix of people each with their own markets and community. this is one of the main markets and customer. this is where you can get any of the applicants, and i'm also of the others that coupon good time. but maybe you, if you want to blow sorry for your house, with new people arriving each week, kuchma is a place in motion. run by the canyon government together with the u. n. the combs have become a long time home for many once registered here, most refugees leave within the comp and tones boundaries on the troubling 2 other

parts of kenya if they get special travel permits. nancy lived here as a refugee for 7 years. at the age of 18, she and her 2 younger sisters was separated from their mother and slept their home in south to done her life change too much because she grew upfront. but when i used to have someone is telling me do this to that. i know, yeah, it's me who's doing the opposite. i'm, i'm self serve and i'm done now telling my siblings to do this and do that, do that, but this is good. so you should follow this bus instead of the other, like many young refuse here. her life as she knew each was put on hold. before the war broke out, nancy had almost completed high school, but she and kenya agreed to i to accepted. she had to come all the way back to 6th grade. to 1st gets her kenyon from the school certificate. i said to you guys, home, cause a sorry to it's ridiculous like i chose, but for me to restart from criminal and your toes are in high school and finishing

cause most finishing my high school. so it's been a tough scanning. this is vice quoted price times a great secondary school and we host close the rough edges under which community. we are prepared for tenure and less, renee, some nation. it's a fine, a, a for us, the phone size and it's, it's such a kid that determines that you enjoy in college or university. when good grades can be a good tweak to a better future. the one thing that nancy has 90 and kuchma is to be resilient and speak out for ourselves and others taking part in local beauty pageants and for presenting how come easy has given how this platform. and it helps me the i wrote a murder to young guns out that the women out there. what was to have like today's, to the end of the cultural practices where they say women are dominated, then they will have the voice to speak out for themselves. holding the ball law is not an option financing. she has to be enrolled in order to her siblings and stands

out, whether it's through modeling or as one of the only women on the basketball court. this is where she spends her evening playing gold canyon. and as a thank you for letting me show you around hope to see you next time by most if he's here dream of live else with maybe 2 left or hardware, they could get a chance to go abroad. it's happened before. and so the use of customer and kind of way keep the goal. wow, thanks nancy. so we've just seen what a vibrant place the customer refugee camp is the split the fact that most people here have both with some dramatic experiences. but we wanted to meet a few people living here, so we've come to see every hassle of a very, very, very special project, the cold cock, them a sound, and you're going to hear them before you see them. so

the, the, we've just heard from customer sound and here with me is felicia, i hope i'm seeing your name rates. all right. and you have the chairman of calculus sounds. we've just been listening to. right. yeah. tell me a little bit about the group and the instrument, but you playing this little piece combined on us and then cities and uh, we call a sale of customer sound bad. yeah. how many nationalities are represented here? so we uh of, uh, 6 and us and 94 of us, 6 nationalities. i'm seeing here, republican democratic of congo. and i and deal from uh,

rudy. so when we get into the house. yeah. oh fantastic. so how did you come up with the ideal for me, the group here at the refuge account? you know, uh because uh we are coming from a different dimension. that is, you know, i know it impacts on some, some of them. but the, i don't know the, the kind of chair. so now we're coming with the idea how we can just, you know, tell us then, to the band that you've gotten. and now i know each other, i knew that i could do. i'm not done. i know everybody is kind of yeah, yes a, but when i walked in here, i'm looking at your face now you only look so joyful. you know, is that what does music does for you, or why do you do a? yeah, this music, somebody named me just to be very, very happy because now i'm enjoying at the odyssey called the this i don't go now i'm enjoying to play somebody's music on this also that. yeah. so don't go anywhere because we are coming back to with a few more questions. and because we're talking about music, we're going to cross over to you again to i think you're going to like the story of

this. incredible guitar is, let's watch. we go by the got it our the missing get that is in because i was told number one the know came of the of the my my, these in 23 came in 2004. i was in go my at that time, that is how i was for i was supposed to leave home. then you're going to be came home, just select that, the idea i like you have to be seen, pull you up to be home where you have to behave with people because value from your,

from me you are alone. and how do you create your, on your own from out to be able to people out loud. how about people in the lives up to land, a new life? the where does it, does the company be a bit of version of me so hard to start searching? how can i continue being a bit by the terrace, which i became because since i came in and got that, to be honest, you weren't crowns bridges. that has been a multimillion that people want to give up on life. just want to give up on the dreams thinking it would never happen. no, to happen by doing it to happen because i've been there. and i'm here to tell you that or dreams, this is the

. all right, so we've just had some of the incredible guitar is what he was doing in the country, but we're still here with fitness. yeah. and the beautiful sound of kuchma. and i just wanted to ask you, you know, you have so many nationalities here with so many background. and i know the to see piece is what is uniting all of you. what, how do you marry all these cultures together? when you're making decisions, when you're writing your song. yes, uh, you know, when we, when, you know, i know a beginning, there was a very, it was very, very, very hard for me to, to help with this or less another 2 together. but now to music, when i was playing my music, i met with the company. people that knew operating together. yeah. so i love you for the i know, thinking about that sound died now enjoying, i'm guessing change, right? so when you look at the state of the world right now,

a lot of people are fighting because of one reason or the other. and what do you think kuchma can teach people about leaving harmonious be together despite your differences? and you know, uh what, what's a couple of my phone been come to the point in the one is just when you don't know somebody is. gotcha, this is amazing. you send us, send some people at the destination on a sunday because they don't know each other, you know, because of now we are leaving to get on to be offended. music to get that. now when you adopting that, the correct. uh, i know now the product that i, they know my culture, that's what i will know. we are even going to home when you wait on this piece. yeah. yeah. and you told me how long have you been cling together, use it now. it is now to yes to year. yeah. so maybe you could tell me the role of music when it comes to integration. you've talked about the host communities, has this made it easier to have conversations between the 2? yeah. seems to be such a disc. this music oh, at least a bunch a couple my sounds, ideas. you split our life to because yeah, because we've ad before. why not know how to hands on to the kind of leaving. now

to me is if we're not staying together now we, i know you said exceed sad that the now we sat together and we just have a good conversation under, you know, one another. now we have a good, a good relationship with this. yeah. yeah. what's the biggest thing that you've learned since you joined this group? what i have for you 9 that's to music. i kind of just to be just a nice place because way i came from dell, i mean many stuff, but in fact my father died in this in genocide in london, 1994. something happened to me very, very sad now to music when i'm playing this music to mention you to just to forget what festive to my life and that night i have i have i would think it back to my to take go used to going to be but uh yeah, i like that. and speaking of the future, what's the vision for the good? so now with the vision of the difficult to down the, we need, we, we, we want just the want to know. now the messages are going to find out. if this is the same, like i bet people we have like we have, we can have the same right?

because we'll do this the same thing. what other people. ok. yes. is it ok say requests for one? so yeah, it's okay. we are now. wow, i will happy to kind of enjoy india on use. okay. let's go. the, the, the

so speaking of cultural mixes, it's no secret that south africans have long baffled. the problem was in a full view. in the recent past until you, me going to movements have gain significant traction. i mean, even some people from within these movements and now questioning these extreme ideologies. so all calling the south africa met some of the young people who up to actively running against foreigners in the country. i know mobilizing for integration for these same for nationals, black on black racism, immigrant versus citizen, that's become all too common in south africa with the way that our parents speak to us today of labels put in those as people who come into this country, antique. what actually belongs to us to provide here experience these, right? these people have pets and on how things was done by 2. by 30

a can the south africa's younger generations over comes in a phobia. now is becoming less than was split deeply that setting each other. so went to south africa, see, put them, show nice. what has been looking for jobs since you finished school 3 years ago without experience or a degree. it's mission impossible in a country with the will. the 2nd highest youth unemployment rate is so nice when i started planning foreigners living in this community, believing that they are to blame for the misery of young people. these thoughts, he knows today didn't come from no way, took them over from his parents. so with that, i grew up with the new south african. yeah. and that's not, that's. so when i, when i, when i found out the motive of this is out of an idol on employment.

you know, and i thought to myself know, this is being shown use for a joint operation do though, which means kicked out or push back. the radical empty immigrant group, which recently registered as a political party, is linked to vigilante is a new things and general violence against foreigners. they blame foreigners for setting drugs, taking their jobs away and occupying social housing the budget. so nice. well, have 2nd thoughts when you witnessed how this shop was brutally new to people claim to pakistan. you shop on a sold drugs to children. they still on the premises and stole everything on the truck. i would like to use uh, i'm not proud at all. cuz when i think about this, it makes, it makes us less, you mean? yeah, it makes us less, you mean and to, to,

to think about the way we talk about is that the freak hands. yeah. but now if someone comes and tries to make a living and you see that as a negative theme, ok, that means we are not doing the same page as of we can well, but to means i am because you all, i can only be a human being if i treat others with dignity and respect, this is also the principal. so key. so i'm tom, go live by who we meant at home. and so went to every week. the 21 year old student is making food for people the need for the elderly, the young for south africans and foreigners because they come from the we have uh from up the african continent or whatever they come from to get help for my the neighboring from other neighboring countries, so if we don't have them then who will hate trade against foreigners has

a history in south africa, deadly riots and 282018 guild scores of people. sadly xenophobia is on the rise again with 2020, to accounting for 117 shops looted and searching a debts back home. again, tango it says she believes that xenophobia is connected to a laundry generational conflict. she is a born free. someone who grew up on the democracy, her mother though live to apartheid a racist regime that brutally oppressed and exploited black people. the mother recently joined operation to do to the horrible experience of oppression and tongue believes is part of her mother's hatred against foreigners. her mother still remembers the don't pass a racist identity card that determined with black people could work and live. now i'm still fighting a 5 day 5 to work for my life.

because my, i was just as a fighting for the bus. now i'm fighting for the stocks to, to my desk it out. we once had our freedom so bad. now if you don't hear now from fights and freedom, you have to fights and things of what come things that come with the freedom to austin. so nice. why left operation to do law? he finally found a job. so nice why it helps out in a corner supermarket, owned by a mozambique and trader. the owner does not want to be film shop has been looted a few months ago. and he fears this might happen again. the fact that the new swat has been given a job by people he once blamed for his misery is underlining that migration in many cases is not a burden. but the benefit for the economy of south africa. we are all i say can, and if we are, or if we all want to eat to, we should. we should put it. we should be in a table around it just in

may. 2023. you're going to pass one of africa's most draconian laws against them was sexuality which can result in long jail sentences. and in severe cases, even the death penalty is just cause more and more members of the eligibility. few i plus community in uganda, just because i live in countries like kenya go into hiding. i'll try and make a living an as though, like half a day, are you going to an artist and career rights activist who they are? cuz what i was lucky enough to get what gemini, with a now living together with that child i'm, i mixed into my own country, you know, to be able to get my visa thoughts. it in many ways it just felt like we have somehow become like, become refugees in our own country where you're kind of staying to you know,

safely, villa a property. i was the 1st open, the non veneer with clear photograph from uganda. it's been a few years since dw 1st met papa d. back in ken, paula, i'm building a photo career. put tranquil life in uganda. since then you got into which has always been a difficult place for members of the eligibility care community has become a virtual no, you guys are in april 2023, uganda costs an antique a lot. which can sentence anyone, dean does gate to at least 10 years in prison. and can in extreme cases, even lead to the death penalty from outside the country. poverty became one of the most vocal. you can voices against the new norm. what do you have any any, any basic needs that one we sold out

. so i'm attain, you see the pop of the south african visa was running out and they had to secretly return to gather to renew us, leaving that child miles behind. they want to me that if i retire and i, we will be a reset of the airport because of, you know, my work on is with the advocacy that i was doing. i, i was like really sad wired and i, i, i've been named d cuz i knew this was probably that i come back. but it was like a 5050 chance both knew that like us knowing the same as when i go for a week, you know, to watch and we know that i'm coming by. but the same is just like what if anything happened? you know what if anyone recognized me and decided that you know, that was the i chose to get rid of me. papa d made it out. and just months later,

they started another chapter of them lives. they moved to building from here for a year, and i'm doing the notice residency they've continued the photography released the film and want to start a postcard and we have people leading an excellent so overall of projects is about documenting. clear, mike runs especially people of color from different backgrounds. you know how they come together in um, realizing and navigating spaces away from home. i know that these a lot more people that uh, one thing to leave the home country is because they have been forced to be refusing that one country or like the feels persecution you know, because of their identity and sexuality. and while different gender and sexual identities are definitely more accepted in the mean, i think it comes with its own challenges of fishing in as a migrant getting the right paperwork, finding a new school, a place to stay. 3 properties work they have a year long residency permit,

but what happens after that is still in session? i don't have any plan be so i have to push forward. but a site level would definitely be the last last thing i would ever tools for possible from uganda. right. if they hear that, oh my god, papa d is in dumber and right. they don't know the details. when has it ever been easy for you or anyone? to pack up and leave your family, leave your life or the life that you've known, your livelihood. to go to us range for any place that you've never been to start over. the news from uganda, worries, poverty, people being charged with homosexuality. others evicted from their homes and communities. poverty continues to speak up and support where they can well building a new life for themselves and miles. and i got to my home for me and miles is to continue being free. you know, to continue leaving

a lot of things. it's like well, we wish papa d o the best and that marks the end of us. so good news is you can find lowball shows. yeah. and while you're at it right to us, well, and youtube is to grab and 2nd talk. so i know it for me. see that would come back with a musical elements of sunday's. yeah. listen, i did not disappoint and i did not lie. do you see what's it up behind me? you're never, ever going to forget this lock. why was thank you for watching by the,

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