the goals we say they're never giving up every weekend on dw hello and welcome to another edition of the 77 percent of the show that gives voice to ask because you, i'm your host to live. so i can't imagine what it must be like to be forced out of your hometown or country because there's a war going on or because prolonged droughts have made it impossible for people to grow crops or feed the animals. so that means that is the harsh reality of millions of people in sub saharan africa. so in this show, we'll dive deep into the causes and effects of forest migration.

coming up on the show, our straight to base takes us to the complement refugee camps in kenya to discuss new ways of managing wreckage. in homecoming, we need to identify hamilton, the woman who wants to re tell the story of sarah leon and, and cyprus, we get on the card with a refugee team trying to link the energies to best to africa is a continent on the move. now, some people may be moving voluntarily to do trade or to get an education or for job opportunities. it's many of the don't have a choice. they leave the place they go home because it is no longer livable. over 31000000 africans live outside the country of birth, the majority stay within the african continent. so what are the reasons for leaving home and what is the current situation?

let's get a quick overview from okay to 110000000 people. that's the number of people who have been forcibly displeased worldwide by mid 2023. now, just to put it into context, that's a lot more than the population of germany. the leading causes for persecution, conflict, violence and human rights violations. disfigure includes 36400000 refugees. 62.5000000 internally displaced people. 6.1000000 asylum seekers and 5300000 people in need of international protection. there is a lot of confusion about the exec meeting and definition of these terms. so let's get to the bottom of the internally displaced persons. a person of groups of persons who has been forced old lives to see the homes as a result of the effects of conflict, violence, violations of human rights, or natural human meat to sauces,

and who are not cross ending to nationally recognize state border refugees. refugees of people who have fled to countries to escape conflict, violence, or persecution, and as sort safety in another country. an asylum seeker is someone who's requests for centuries has yet to be processed. people in need of protection, the need for international protection arises when a person is outside of their own country and unable to return home because they would be at risk that the country is unable or unwilling to protect them. what's the situation in africa? around 30000000 internally displaced persons refugees and asylum seekers live in africa. this makes up more than one 3rd of the world's total refugee population. millions of new displacements were recorded in the democratic republic of the congo

. if you appear central african republic, substitute done, and my julia, she good by increasing insecurity and human rights violations, yukon to host with the largest number of refugees in africa as of 2022. so don followed, and if you appeal of to that the eastern africa in great lakes region host, most of the refugees on the continents, nearly 5000000 at the end of 2022 conflict. and so don, beginning in april 2023 displays a 2600000 people within so done and 738000 others who fled to 2 neighboring countries by july, 2023. the number of effort comes for us to migrate has been rising over the last years. millions have found refuge in cam, such as the couple of my refugee camp, which is located in the north western region of kenya for more than 3 decades. it has been home to people mostly from south,

so them if your pm and so miles. yep. and the 6th street debate we ask should society, we think how it deals with reference to use my colleague of mine. it was granted re access to the couple of my camp and had a lively discussion. the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent street debate this week. we are in the coma refugee come. this is one of the biggest and also oldest refugee comes in africa created in 1992 when a group of young boys lean warranty done arrived here. and you would not believe me if i told you that some of those boys, no man us, do this, come on. the question we have to do is should society rethink how it handles refugees? and i mentioned earlier, the lost boys from sedan. one of them is here, jacob, it's been a long journey since you arrived that of so many years ago in 1992. if you can

reflect back to that time, can you take me back and tell me how you must have felt when you arrived here for the 1st time. when i came here, i found it very hard to leave here because i didn't know anybody here in the long way to say it was not familiar to me. even english, i was no, no what you mean by that time? since we went on living, heading to come, we, we went to school and to do as many people now i couldn't speak. what are you feeling? well, if you had any of the other people around these area, we will, if you had any. but as we went on, you know, we begun to leave because the security was put on the scene for these around and we were living, we were living like the whole. so you grew up in discomfort basically. but the lean you through is likely defense because you weren't able to leave the comp and then come back again to talk about can you take us through the journey a spent the last 15 years in calculating to come in those 15 years, i've been able to go outside and, and study um for my secondary education and then come back to the come, how did you get used to hearing this? what associated with you?

refugee at 1st, i didn't know about that, that those are things you, but as a, grew up, i started to know that your, if you g, you can to have the same services given to you like the nationals. and then again, there's this, there was a stereotype that's refugees, are poor refugees and not well educated. so growing up i, i knew i could become better then you know what people are saying about refugees. so let me hear from diana briefly because you started interacting with people with not coming from a very early age in primary school. right. so what was that like? i'm so i said it's best when we why? yeah, we couldn't come to benefit you come because our parents, they were very skeptical of asking, directing with the fiji. so you would just say at the village unless you go to school and meet them there. but we knew that that if it is would boy less because we were young children. we used to be so scared to go to the account. but after growing up after play by the school in high school,

i came to know that. and if it is just not possible like me and we, i know that the friend so then let me come to alfred basically if he's one of the local leaders here in this community and do a very instrumental in helping can transition from an incompetent kind of hosting to what we all know aspiring to something more trans the integrated, tell us a little bit about that when the war broke out didn't sound so then there was a lot of influx of revenues for themselves then. and then we waited, come to them, and the land was given. i mean, you know, it's sad a for to communities whose the positives are really fine. i've said that to begin staying together without their conflicts. so we took them to say that if the positions and their zones on how to stay together out to share, what did they have? like what like food like lives,

a social amenities whose benefit is it? when you know the refugees, i just sort of held it in one area. you've told me that you're seeing no integration of communities exchange of culture. what are we missing by not integrating costs essentially. that if you just feel like that not to put money into. yeah. so most of them build houses of i own sheet. you can never find them building with blocks. so like, i think we have dragging backwards because of the fact that they think that's the notes here for long. yeah. and yet that's somewhat live deal for even more than 20 as diana. that took you late to what's the community could benefit from, from a more inclusive policy and approach. let's talk about documentation for us. that can jacob, you've been here the longest. tell me about that process when you arrive, you obviously don't have any paperwork to see where you are and where you're from. where do you begin this document or you don't need to start it and you have to follow them. that was one that if you were to just say, i want to show it again and then i do it. but i just, you know, actually when we leave internet,

we thought that there anything that is given to know, you know, what do you suppose we could get into this? but the idea that we are having no, we cannot access some of the services with it. we cannot move with it unless we think for drug and don't want to go out of that. come. so i want to introduce you briefly. what are the challenges in not securing your documentation because i'm sure that sort of suffocates you from getting other things done. the refugee card is essential in self reliance, economic inclusion. so refugee cods, and i'll essentially very integral, i think, to the refugee community is because at the same time, i mean as much as, um, uh, we've had um, some sentiments from the host of community that that's so freelance is very important also to the host community also to the government of kenya in the able to come you contribute to the economy. so uh, also do you have something to say to me? i mean, yeah, you know, integration also has to aspect these days that the,

giving them uh, these, the mention of ladies know the areas with this. we bought it from different international lives and add those by the menu. what some people like about is about maybe in these come, easy, easy to get to know is government installations. i need to do that actually then get us in even for the government. okay. so a believe the people will accommodate and take visual their, their social economic integration because that's why i'm actually promotes that thread between these 2 communities. so they will go on with that to one, give me a chance to speak to the lead here a little bit because it must be difficult for you to hear. some of the sent to me is the text best buy people from the hosts, community festival that have to say the whole community are very privileged because they can tell them freely in this country without a lot of constraints,

like foss refugees, they have the luxury of going to get land elsewhere, but for us, for people who have been born here lived here, we just want to have a home. yeah. and we just want to feel like we are also part of the, of the community. why not just go back home, you know, looking at a country like yours one day. it's easy to imagine, but it's as easy as picking up your bags and just taking a bus home. is it? it's not so going back home means a lot, especially for families where they still think of going back home. they don't know where to start from all the land, the wealth is gone, so they can go to start from scratch from their own countries. so let's now start looking at some solutions and i've been very curious. what do you think it would take for the sentiments here to be eroded completely so that the other thing stops us of us as them. i know a lot of, um, i think and use an entities are trying to really engage in desensitization was for

the who is communities and for the refugee communities in, in relation to pieces building and social cohesion. not only that understanding that you know, uh, the benefits of votes parties being granted equal of what you need to use. and i think that would be a good step in the right direction. you know, let's talk with a lot of this. some conflicting views. yeah. yeah, at the beginning of this debate we us, a simple question may be, is it time for us to rethink how we deal with inclusive matos? regarding refugees? the answer is the result. and yes, in fact, what i'm hearing here is it, it should have been done a long time ago, but thank goodness that, that's already in motion. thank you for watching. the thank you for that wonderful. the bait from kenya and well, kind of discussing ways to include refugee is more economically the how and when is feel very unclear. but discussion actually went on for half an hour. so if you want

to see the entire debate, go check it out on our youtube channel. well, the people who did spoke to never went back to their home countries. other refugees do. just like identical hamilton, she is a filmmaker who decided to move from the united states to sierra leone. her country of birth, nick and her family had to flee sarah leo. and when she was a child, what brought her back? let's hear from her a piece that's holding africa back is the day of spring, and we that were born in africa and that's left the missing part of what's wrong with your countries you, it's basically a gaping hole. my name is identical hamilton. most people call me in the care. i'm a sarah leo, you an american. and i'm the recent returning back to sierra leone. i am a story teller. i'm a filmmaker. i'm the founder of 3rd culture kids production. i'm left several of

them when i was 5, as a refugee i moved to the gambia, where i lived for 2 years before we're settling at the age of 7 in the united states. i remember them moments. i remember when the war happened. i remember like getting ready to leave and we actually left my boat in sierra leone and it was actually a interesting story because uh what was supposed to be a 30 our boat ride us, leaving from fairly own to the gambia became a 6 day ordeal at sea because we were lost at sea for 6 days and never thought the boat ride would end in when we finally landed in gambia. it was like the 1st time i knew that everything in my life was gonna change. so when i 1st moved to the states, it was tough because whenever they heard that you were there with the union, this was during the time of the civil war and civil union. so everything was blood diamond. oh, child soldiers, yours or you

a child soldier. and he said so candidly and it almost becomes a moniker that you wear on your neck. and so that was the 1st kind of time i had to grapple with my identity. i think my story of home coming started when i was 21 years old, almost 22 and it was the 1st time i returned back to 0. you then i just wanted to come back a lot more. i would come every other year or so. and it wasn't until 2020 that i made a conscious decision to come back to several there were a number of things that inspired me to come back. i went to this event called africa, chop house, the american investor for the a u. r. o connor ship, i'm quite, she gave a talk on words. why the missing piece of africa? a piece that's old in africa back is the diaspora. and we that were born in africa

and then left and she just gave a very moving speech. she said, you are for kids that are always saying, this is wrong with africa. you're not know that they're missing part of what's wrong with your countries. you. it's basically a gaping hole where you're from and you, it's never going to be healed unless you make an effort to re unite with your countries. at that point, i had already started my production company in new york. i registered it and i've been doing little things. and then i said, you know what? i'm going to, i'm going to figure out how to just move back. i don't know what's going to happen . i don't know if it's gonna work out, but i'm just going to try i didn't want say we're leaving to only be her be be known as the bullet place the blood diamond place, the war place, the child soldier place. i just, i wanted to just tell a different kind of story about 0. yes,

we are with you and changing the narrative. that is why we've had a number of uplifting stories from center alone, like one on the countries on the surf club. go check it out, are back to our main focus of the day refugees. when they leave home, they tend to take many belongings, but what they always have with them is their culture. and traditions at the like a refugee camp in malawi, refugees and the local community get together once a year for a one of a kind culture event, the 2 mainly festival select a refugee camp is home 250000 inhabitants. since 2014, the camp has hosted an annual odds event to showcase the talent and rich heritage of the people living that the festival is known as to my email, which is swahili for hope. so because this would be put together because every one would be invited and that

we were and i said, oh, what do you see got to get the news because the issue uh the uh the uh the, the book. so somebody, uh yes, the one, the the, to my, you, the festival was established in 2014 bites. and so i would also known as many lab tube as land how it was supposed to leave the democratic republic of congo due to his work and political activism. as the festival approaches it's 10. yeah. there is of the celebrations. for many, it's a welcome distraction from the daily struggles. and for some young people, the music delivers a pause to unlock meaningful opportunities. music is one of the things that

i can use. this was an insight b t but this year it doesn't help me or not. last year we also had to my, i of course met a lot of new people. i found many friends. and this is what healthy mall was that i receive a small amount of money which helped me pay for my school fees. my school, the link our camp was established in 1994 in response to the thousands of being genocide of one to and was a burgundy. and the d. r. c, to my email is found to believes that the festival has done more than just keep residence at the lack of tactful for music. it's given those in exile a way to connect to today hope rich energies duplicated.

pro uh show me the version of the deductible the higher but we added these measures to my to the so hailey word delaney hope is carrying us all the way to the mediterranean island of cyprus. the situation for many african refugees is dire. there is little political will to integrate them into society even after they have been granted asylum. just like umbrella and his friends are channeling their frustration in a positive way on the basketball court.

joshua come by law is a true fight to the captain of the hook, or if it's the basketball team has been fights in all his life. a flag, the democratic republic of clinical, due to conflict, arriving in cyprus in may 2020. why is this? even if i explained my situation to have a friend who advised that i come to cyprus just as a refuge. first i went to turkey, then entered northern cyprus, and then i crossed over into the south. what was supposed to be a new lease on life soon turned into a nightmare. the 17 year old was arrested by separate police and thrown into an adult's prison for 4 months. despite being am i know i a zip. i see a new window because me saw yeah, a little on the 1st. i was kept in the police station and in the morning i was taken to the court. and i explained to them that i was a refugee as well,

but i was told i had violated the lock down. and could you regulations, i'll see the progress good traffic today tried to on tennessee for probably guys. it was not easy for me because i had never been in prison before all the thousands of asylum seekers full combined as root each. yet the arrive installed in cyprus from touchy once here. they must spend months out of full, not our reception center, located about 10 kilometers outside of capital nicholas the. the come is overcrowded. sanitation is pool and access to social services, limited. many of the residents here rely on donations from groups like generation for change. a to knows assess, he started a group after witnessing the opponent, conditions faced by refugees. so we usually get people to, uh, donates, uh,

close uh, food in any other things, the blankets, especially in the winter period. and then we direct and distribute these items. so uh, the individual them to come to find something that can, uh, do you have 2 month period before you are able to really receive your benefits? and because there might be different delays when it comes to the benefits and the vision might not have access to food or hygiene, essentials or close. is there any of those where i live with the cap that come in contact with us and tell us about their needs? and then we tried to attend to their needs and those meets many after repeated criticism of living conditions asked for not to come. the president of cyprus, for me, is a more humane treatment of my guns as the planned, the next move, several young africans a truck on this beautiful mediterranean island, unable to leave the bucklin courts, basketball helped combine his teammates to forget all the past trauma. here,

the full cost is one thing to be the next basketball style and we wish them all the best. now we started the show with the question whether society should we think the way it looks at and deals with refugee is. these are human resources, with lots to contribute to the economy, to culture, and to society as a whole. today we showed you examples of how individuals or host countries do or don't allow refugee is asylum seeker, as and internally displaced persons to play a constructive role to. so what do you think about today's show i'd love to hear from you? so send me your feedback and remember to follow us on social media and i'll leave you with the proof that drafted you can make it big in whatever profession they chose is a sham taina fled somalia as a teenager and later became us far. here he is with the refugee

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