of the young people of the world are we? what impact because the change doesn't happen the make up your own mind. me the as with so many african come fix. the latest fighting into don has brought death misery to huge numbers of civilians. this time, even the un has been shocked by what zip code the unprecedented speed of this integration. whatever happens to africa's low loss promise to silence the guns, but we bring him 6 ounces to such questions. he's a sudanese born bridget millionaire with the foundation, the researches africa's problems and rewards those who tried to solve them. cuz he

ever lose faith in africa, the feedbacks in some countries. unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for one of the core of africa's problems he says is by governance. and why is it still so prevalent? how was it that african leaders voted themselves immunity from prosecution for the most serious crimes and what's behind the refuse or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine. is it paid back for the rows of colonial, occupies the suff most welcome to come fix a thanks, dave. so you've tried so many years to promote a governance in africa. in some countries you've had some success, but the violence never seems to go away. in sudan, the country of your bus decades of fighting another killing has become again,

an honest how personal is this conflict to you? is the very best at standard work. and i wouldn't be able to have this, i've done this. and what we have here is 2 sides. um, so this fighting a button in, in our cabinets, each side wants power and was power comes financial. this was, this is still a blessed story. and this is tory of for yes, i made it to the cause is essentially old story unfortunately. and enough is enough for all those guys, despite the treasures by both sides, to respect humanitarian principles. that hasn't been the slightest effort to avoid civilian casualties. why is it okay? absolutely. i don't see the shift issue of them think they can somehow

when this don't the kind of be a we're not here to kind of be one of the only who was us able to find this losing do so that these people are losing the list of infrastructure we have is being destroyed, detective easy is in a mess, and most civilians are buying the soldiers. it's, it is, it is very sent. do you ever lose faith in africa? no. despite to this, that's going to get, but that's when can 3 out of 54 guns accordions on index in the last, over the last 10 years. you know, we would use an index, somebody, you have governance in africa. the majority of episodes of applicants living in a bit of government countries that 10 years ago. so are moving forward that feedbacks in some countries, unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find

a way for what but this conflict is you've also said is taking place against the really dismal tapestry of back, sliding democracy as the number of states, bad governments. you quoted africa's own goal. and you said we are responsible for how much of africa shit is your sense of responsibility for this week. okay, this the funding governor, governor. it's a z d. i bought a number of of, of deliverables. one of them, of course, is human rice delivery. a bunch of patient is here today. i don't have boxes, you know, corner me then is the human developments. and so there's a ruler of security. and the bitch of the bishop is really mix yes. to course, over the last 10 years after got made the point of progress in the area of infrastructure and human development, vintage occasional based on hand does not secured no security on the root of low is

going down and actually why, why is the connection between the 2, that the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes a. so it's a truism, a creative assessment. uh. then you have also extend an effective as like climate change with your end up with conflicts between they have those of the farmers. and if that's not to manage, it ends up, it's a basic, a conflict. so that happened in the for i didn't have a claimant on legitimate, but she is then using the dish just to sort out the probably that end up and see $100000.00 people get. so it is, it, is, it mismanagement also of natural disaster habiting because of climate. that's one element you. you said earlier this year we started to see qu data,

which we saw it was something in the past. we started to see this phenomena of a strong man. it's something we need to fight back against. how do you fight these so called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across our african, protected sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal gangs that kill for the sake of it. how. how do you fight back against these? i think young young people are looking at what's happening in capital. we had a strong balance of that and for the test to use in to the general, but she was infection about 430 is created for this military organizational. and i was just no time off for him to have an army, he couldn't get into the support forces and called him him id. you know, it just hasn't. for him, it is my board section and the, the collision center just has an army. his party has the main issue. he had all the stuff which is just kind of just chords. so to use,

hit the same kids who grew up on the he's or go to the guys what volume you the city for them. oh gosh, a. this is a and b will will give us whole because they will not accept the soldier. they will not accept a tyler and he will not accept the death of ships and you went to the city to 3, it is now green solution. so then, because the young people would not accept this or just you, you say, you say that you say that, but that's one of the more depressing by products of conflict and by the government . it seems that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics according to afro barometer report last month. that view is particularly strongly young people, 18 to 35 year old. after a barometer reported that over the last decade, opposition to military rule has declined significantly. now, a slim majority, there's a majority is willing to accept military intervention if elected officials abuse

the past that has to be dangerous. for them, at least it is dangerous as the problem is you take guinea for example, we have to have a difficulty abusing fall off his power and then trying to do with the constitution someplace the, the, the, the position i'm fed and a guy who was the democrat, before getting follow, then power gets to his head and now being def data. when electrical care, my game is this guy, you understand why people say, oh, as one, definitely good friends of him. so down, know 3, this important political. happy to get rid of the really the corner of civilian who really up using the constituent and that losing his body if uh yeah its spectrum. good for me though. so, but then, but then the problem is you are,

you are a blessing the south down was a different, i mean that, that is, it doesn't work like that. that's why i, i us be, will need to live that to is lives in los, to, to seek z for of the bad z that it's also important to know what you're going for. and this is, that is instead of ending up meant as somebody giving me the typical again, is that somebody else, but the, tim, tim, about about the, the, the, the strong man. unfortunately, this is something we can passion about. look only in africa. our guys in africa look at out. i'm lucy or just string, been strong, mean all over the place. you know, and we have probably not states will have delta t last. russia will have china web for the beans. what. how many strong men are

then? we see this fraction of a song people is, is coming back again. one of the best i was, i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, are already about why i cannot be like to order those out. and why cannot be like, this is a time for strong man unfortunately. and we need to wake up to that is not an african phenomenon. it's a global phenomena. i'd like to talk back and go back to the bottom of this has taken place and done at the moment um, one to violence according to the un, which should both sides trampling on humanitarian. now, back in 2010, the new york times bureau chief, east africa reported on how come back in africa have moved from soldier verse a soldier to soldier versus civilian the most domestic as fight as he said, what bevels with the cause they would predators. and for them, tara became not just a means,

but an end. to what extent is that still it is. it is unfortunately, paper that a number come with some countries are, but i think i'll have seen like a blank was in the list in the last few years. unfortunately, we thought we finished. i'm thought that was cool. you know the disease at a, in the 70 sixties and seventies where every morning we used to have a cool with some living ethnic. we thought that this finished unfortunate is coming back and something we need to be careful about this. then that gives us an extra division question. i mean, i know it is estimated to say this, but in all honesty, do we need armies in africa? why do we do that? what does the job of items the item is suppose to protect you on the board? who is it and the applicant can to be so i think that most of applicant categories to, to have any, was the between african countries. i don't recall any why you need the arms who's

been though, is this money to get those guys, bags and guns an arrow blades when i want with the i'm, i want to come on to that to. yeah, i'm in a moment to, to i, i just, i don't think we need it needs is all nice and those guys has big goals as many of them. and then they come much with us with the copy that. i mean, what is this last week? so those government told the un human rights council that it was basically none of the u. n's business. what was happening inside 2000 was an internal affairs. they said, i'm assuming these armed forces. so of course of launched attacks. and this strikes intensely populated subsidiaries in the capital, as you said, they were simply doing their constitutional duty. what do you say to a government like that? does it make you angry for the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constituted by the government? that's not. that's not the shipment. what causes those guys government? it's the only government they have the address is people just took it by paula by guns. dad looking lifted that note to drive. look at it, but yeah, i mean,

those guys just, you know, making themselves lot of shows in general. those on the f. i never things act announcing this while the african states, the data applique on union actually is, is, is suspended. so then that's it. that's all they've done. what else comes into? what, as the problem is applicant here and it hasn't. well, just on the bottom, me, for a long time, english at this time, the force of the african you any action be finite and should be on, then it is able to go and deal with all of those claim and as of categories and whatever. unfortunately, actually comes in and it hasn't been hasn't good. it has pentium good. you, the tensions doesn't to but it doesn't realize all the motor power. what. what, what happens assignments for guns by one and t? 20. yes. what happens? what? what's the last 6? what are the concepts? so there's a plastic on, you know, what about security because what it is including accounts. i think a lot of people forgotten about the security because is defined by the veto is that the 5 cause, i guess, is for her lice. but what is the whole bubbly or the, is it

a mess? the whole public, the whole, or the whole world of this, you know, or the global inspection? i miss you curious accounts. it is important. cannot do anything. yeah. for, can you open the dfcs? they don't have the means to accept it. they've had all that so blessed at least more of the wage, which included the accounts of kind of even the. so we're not seeing much of that as for the, this is that the, that, and finish is on the date. we have the confidence, 2 weeks of all i've had most of our keywords or now guys in the conference and just clear what the stand ones you want to do. that if it's, if it is, comes to kind of to see what i can look even if the but it's on obedient and what's going on for them. shift for you have access all over the come to do you, have you talk to either of the generals that are causing this concept to sit down at the moment? i know i, i don't have enough common ground even to start the conversation. i believe was

guys of goodness that should end up and take will they of i to i whole thing. i hope so. what's the, what's the chance of 11 day it would come one day look that she had ended up in prison. i'd be able to sit all what but, but she and asserted, nobody could touch him. he was in prison. so what happened to me, i'm excited about what happened to african quotes, pushing for african solutions, and offering african accountability by what happened to that i thought from guinea and central african republic, where the trial i think is important to support the i. c. i o projected to there was an attempt to replace icy without an applicant court. so i don't think that was the right decision actually. and again, you look at the weight. that quote was good you too, which is, which is cannot. it cannot, but it's cute but is it is yes, i came on cells and the other 2 for me. exactly. so i, as i said,

why is i yeah. is this going to end up really was getting taxi drivers and official men, but they're not my good. it's gotta do that. why was this special court? it's, it's, it just, it's city. it just some, but it says wants to executive sense from vice to see. and that was a bundle of what to do a i'm sorry about that. so then no quick fixes for this was done that's going on and it will spread to the region. so maybe spread to west stuff. what has that? what about south sudan? is that next? okay, is it a different institution so that i've come to it, but i think we cannot give up. lots of them. we'll have to deal with it quickly before the fire splits. fluid was all these will continue to hold. what i mean as it is very encouraging to see united states is involved sodium it'd be as involved both of them. phantom shows up the ethnic i do and you have this in volume

and yeah, it does involve the cost is invalid. so our messages, yeah, most of those guys would have to be conference in that will be our foundation. i noticed as guys was there and the message to everybody is we need to speak with one voice now or the other voice. or do you know about kansas was one voice. and we need to ensure that we would this fire out. we need to wire any extra, most of our to the division of death. and we need to, to be able to look either we have or we're going to go often. you to you to util, telling me about foreign armies being in african countries. i think there are 13 foreign armies actually at the moment in various african countries. how healthy do you think it is for africans to, to welcome in rushes musson to the group. of course, um, bob from the for instance, victoria as a new crate and not expanding its footprint across from tops of students that are

acceptable. and you'll notice who invited them many of the ships in the number of western countries. this being comes to nation, that some african countries have been ambivalent to, in the case of south africa, mutual over russia's invasion of ukraine. is this payback for the west for the, for the wrongs of the colonial era is that while i know the rule is the colona, the deputies be fact judge illusion. america is usually called for the a, a good game in the violation of this over and see what else i can think of. you create of your claim and maybe african people said, excuse me. what did america do? any of that was actually good. was that not breach of security?

so for the other countries, so why did they condemn both but from us to woods. this is a new show for what was a little bit media on the lice, i think you had mentioned have was the sort of the ocean because your money objected to the invasion of that. but is long for us to, which is it is usually because any, excuse me, you have him to correct that is neutral, really the size, the as it is kind of use your boy either as it is either the collection of rules or those you can me the out of the rules only applies to russia. look us this look, be hey, book this is appropriate. this is the problem. we need to look at the middle or sometimes and the relies. what can we say and what you do? what happens in libya would then blogs is company, we never would you to be able to get is this acceptable? what do you make?

look i, i that has to be honest, i'm dealing with this stuff. so it looked like the width is the why it on or romantic? nobody side. okay. so, so don't, let's you don't collection of other people and say, you look icon them and i think it is a problem. i'll acceptable for russia to evade euclid. and there's no question back in the same place i have condemned american invasion of over that because this is, is equivalence. and we need to remember that i just hope that people, when you talk about the natural rules just applies to everybody, you know, exceptionally molly. but what do you make of america's charge last week that south africa had loaded onto a sanctioned russian freight to if you make of that child i,

i'm really confused. exactly as to why the bus that i will just as well. we only have south africa's version. so saying he apologized that he did not know what was your tell? he didn't apologize in public. oh, i saw a guy who wrote that in bbc website actually that he didn't nice know south africa says he apologized to that but, but then they denied the judge. but when it, when they did to night, the wording was on big us. they said we didn't approve any arms to russia. it wasn't sanctioned or approved by us. i suggest that was something to some place that i paid with would. i'm afraid that sales advocate has a number of issues i think and where is easy? where is the government? i think in c, broberg we is losing it's, it's

a grip on power effectively as it some somewhere today that is possible is that to them before they even know that we have of what happened. they cannot admit that because they say ok, this is terrible if he's at with as he's in light, is also terrible of the medical group. what's wrong with those? no. a medical reports now a more accurate zone before. uh i mean, drink act. it has a web as of mazda and a section on the, which is a tim, probably actually budgeting throat in the world. the amenities have been very accurate and i bought it. so i did it. so it's not, and i don't know what does to. so what happened death, but i notice danger to innovation of governance in south africa was big public about this. right?

in the time we have left, we took to learn about what african countries have or haven't done. what do you, what the west fate briefly, what do you want the west to do? 5. i think i think the west need really to we have in a much with that way. look at what is happening here. go with the game. i don't have the problem. all you will be on the this 20 you'll be at least i think at least that was signed and that's out of published in 50. nobody see if i'm this ever. what do you see if i think i need support? we need to $100000000.00 budget and then nothing happens. good with, but not it's nothing done. then be able to hold. holding coffee, it's an excellent nationalist and this other seeing the guys, even in our headset, the supports nothing. okay. and that was the, the bad behavior tv, but at this job,

because then then we'll see if i'm this everybody see if they know that so right. know and gauge now for the same as i know it's after you left for the summit. 60 you africa. so yeah, that's what this you have to confirm. it was good it, but you can see the different a more that's a very important look at the after got that. so there's no cover it $23000.00 out of said yes, everyone get a money in america. us and, and bridget also seen is $23.00 young dollars. africans cannot lives in their money . okay. and now does it say, what is happening when you create has a problem? when greece has a financial problem, the fund will it bank immediately searches out now what's happening in zambia, what's happening instead of the other 2 years? does it act as you want them to get um and you want them to come down also on the

list it cash and this is financial loss. it's a $100000000000.00, a $100000000000.00. they get most living on advocate will wisdom companies like united pricing and the best pricing and broke it down. you know, a lot of, of shifting. i do know that i'm sick, i just wanted to act so with these really the bits, i'll be heavy. i'm for my friends of the was really is a bit of what it or the bits of financial institution because these financial institution, i'm not said of in this house that dominated by width and most do know some ideas on the boards it's, it's a, there's no voice in the board decision institutions from the guys are supposed to be the customer of the clients of this, of these banks. that's why these banks would focus on greece or focusing on your

credit. right? but so they like go with it. so that's why is that what the board that doesn't know, what is, what does that be a small avery and we run out of time. thank you very much indeed. signing on the complex, i'm going to give you his talk to the,

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