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be of more aid to the people in the gaza strip. it does not call for a pause in the hostilities between israel and tomas. and despite this resolution the head of the un, antonio gutierrez, pulled note, punch it. so when he described the situation on the ground saying once again that no place, nowhere is safe in. gotcha and bring coffin berlin. this is the day the humanitarian ceasefire is the only way to begin to meet the desperate needs of people in augusta and in their ongoing nights. man, let's be clear in the coming period. unless we take drastic action, there will be famine in garza today. this council provided a glimmer of hope amongst
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a sea of unimaginable suffering. also coming up ukraine's troops had high hopes when they launched a counter offensive against russia earlier this year. those hopes are being tested like never before. i'm optimistic because and so only why the way to don't understand why i say i'm gonna still share frequencies up to you to uh, the liam. but uh, if janet and also include it was for which of our viewers want you're going to be as in the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome. we begin today with the un security council resolution that may have more to do with words then with real deeds. on friday, the counselor passed a resolution calling for more a to be delivered to the people inside the gaza strip. the resolution does not call for a suspension or a pause to the fighting between israel and tomas. well,
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how can humanitarian aid reach more civilians if the hostilities of the bomb and things do not stop even for a limited period of time? the answer, if you are headed the un, maybe this, there won't be more aid reaching more people because they won't be possible. here is human secretary general antonio cherish. many people are measuring the effectiveness of the many teddy and we'll put ation in gaza based on the number of flux from the ships interrupt progress and un involved that product moves the thought a lot to unload a across the bottom of this is mistake. the real problem is that the, what use ratio is conducting these will fantasies is creating massive ops that goes to the distribution of humanitarian, they've eaten side. gotcha. so from where i want to bring in military analysts,
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frank ludwig, she is a former british military intelligence officer. he joins us from oxford. frank, it's good to see. we appreciate your staying up on this friday night to talk with this the, the resolution it has passed, but we just heard antonio gutierrez, they are single out israel's offensive as being the real problem here, creating massive obstacles to age shipments. this resolution is not going to change . that is yes, well then they also be a problem inheritance. and a terrorist group that, that close on the 1300 people a few weeks ago that refuses to surrender. notwithstanding the fact, it's been probably will certainly be militarily defeated. but there is some truth, of course, and the other one great deal of trends that the damage should created by israel's offences whether wilfully or otherwise is continuing to cause problems that because they took what it might be. and it does seem that most state officials are saying
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that really this will make very little difference on the ground. and you can understand why, if you are responsible for a team of people to going into such a place when you and also to show that the bombs won't be long, do you want to read your facility or palm you? you may be very reluctant to send that to you, man with whatever i have, and those very bright people will have to make that decision over the next few days . i will say one thing though, there is a positive setting appointment to the un coordinator will create mechanism. so i think it should be very, very poor going forward. you know frank days like today at the you when they are considered a field day for cynics. i mean we've got is real being judged by the international community being judged by it's p yours. but in this a symmetrical conflict. gaza is not, and it'd be, it makes you wonder to what's the whole point of it and what, what do you say do this or yeah,
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well as well as the judge save every single day. and i think there's a great deal of to say in this statements as well as people forget why this is happening in the 1st place. i'm not going to repeat myself about the choices of the still inherent. it was still open to how my soul, the fact that they use their own people as a human shields. and it's still hiding a 100. and so at least a $130.00 hostages. but you know the you and can only do what it could do. there all signals i think that they've given today and particularly of rigatti, i think we must have regard to the signal given by the united states and what it, what is that i think it would appear to a new deluxe over is that united states was offering a bonus, it was to those looking for c spies also sending a strong message to, to is riley, come on this and that talk you can send yahoo on his team to the fact that you see
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many i to us at your peril. and then i'll support, you cannot guarantee absolute non questioning support going forward, whatever the president says. now, i was quite surprised, not stunning. the fact that there was no seats, fine in the, in the find the resolution. i was quite surprised that the us us did not veto this again. and i say, i've attempted to do over the past few a few, few years in fact, decades on behalf of it as well. so i think this will have provided some form of the warning. is it what ways? well, if not even the stop on the wrist. mm. uh, but something reasonably significant. i mean, as you said yourself in the introduction, what's the prompt? yeah, we are quickly approaching the end of this year. this more is 3 months old. i want to ask you as a military man, what does the id f, what does it have to show for its efforts the past 12 weeks as well?
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the idea says today is it that close, they start to close to clear rate pops up. no other than what they say, no gosh, i don't think that's the case. the coast fighting as we speak and con you this above as a dropping note to us and have dropped in the time that i have been speaking. they have revealed a se, hundreds of tunnels, and they've discovered that headquarters are full of the headquarters. but look, the key objectives have not yet been obtained. they have not killed or captured any of the seed. you come on just involved in the atrocities of the 70 i. i suspect they will in due course, we've had some fault stones that on the, you know, in a sense, to go into a famous roman general. you know, we, we, we may have victory, but we, we preside, other ruins. and those ruins, of course, will need to be dealt with a due cost, which will require a military strategy necessarily to deal with a relatively unimportant matter of the buildings. but the vital issue of the people
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and by conducting the campaign and the way they have, which some might say at the very best is that a searching on the reckless and others may say, well, at the very least settled deliberately. and i would very deliberately kick killing civilians. what they are doing is creating a situation over the next few years where they're going to have to be dealing. we all know this with an insurgency. now whether you can co lot to success is highly debatable. so it's one thing how big or tiny your tactical goals, which they probably the only do you have probably will over the next month or 2 will probably be 3 months. not starting the funding made on the newest. god forbid, into leather on that seat. but this, the strategic tell them with the long term political element, how many insurgents have they created and they might not of, of, of victory. and without a political strategy, something to hang on to something for the people have gone to entity to people if
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the palestinian territories to look to some kind of future that looking really at a political wasteland. and i think still the americans are putting pressure on them to come up with some kind of workable strategic solution to this with very limited success. so look, they're all tactical games that doing militarily what they, what we all thought they would. but i think strategically were still us at that end with their analysts. frank language is always great. we appreciate your time and um, you've been with us throughout all the year. we appreciate your candid analysis and very valuable. there's so many flash points around the world. thank you. thank you, but it's been a pleasure now, israel's military campaign and guards. it has been described as one of the deadliest and the most destructive in recent memory, comparing us intelligence estimates to historical data. israel has dropped more
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bombs on guns in 3 months. then germany did on london during its 8 month blitz in the 2nd world, war, bombs have become more precise since that, but the recent intelligence estimate finds that many, that israel is dropping, our unguided dw security and defense reported william blue cross looks now at the date is rarely officials have repeatedly said they take care to avoid civilian deaths even in the best case scenario. however, that's a challenge to stick to because gaza is one of the most densely populated places in the world before this latest fighting broke out. more than 2200000 people lived in a space of just 365 square kilometers. that's smaller than many mid sized cities. some military analysts have been skeptical of israel's targeting efforts, new information costs even more doubt about them. a recent us intelligence report
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estimates that israel has now dropped more than 29000 air to ground weapons on garza. and as much as 45 percent of them have been what's known as done bombs, these are weapons without gps or another sort of guiding system, making it difficult to direct them against a specific target. israel's tactics have led us president joe biden, a staunch supporter of israel to call the bombing campaign, quotes indiscriminate the nation's estimates. 90 percent of gauze as population has been displaced and 45 percent of all homes, too damaged to be lived in. again. satellite imagery suggests well over 100000 buildings, have by now been damaged or destroyed. and we can show you some of the satellite images from the us company, max, our technologies, the show neighborhoods before and after is rarely airstrikes. you can see
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from these images, just how much whole neighborhoods have been damaged before. after that the physical destruction gives us an idea of the human tall sconces. how mos run health ministry says more than 20000 people have been killed so far. many of them civilians and about $8000.00 of them children. many more of course have been injured or faced secondary risks like hunger or disease. conflict researchers say there is little recent precedent for this level of destruction, an impact on non combatants. now, despite this level of destruction is will says, it will keep it up until the mice has been wiped out. there was william blue cross reported there. i want to bring in now major john spencer. he's a retired us army officer and chair of urban warfare studies at the modern war institute. he joins us from colorado, springs major. it's good to have you. let me get your take on the report, the just aired and the numbers they are. how. how do you read them back?
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i saw you shaking your head. yeah, because it, some of them are just straight, not accurate. and then all of the others of them are missing, telling a story to try to get to an inference of idea of action that i don't agree with in studying urban warfare across the history of time to include modern history with other western villagers. now it's gonna give you an example that says places on it's as, yeah, so that, that comment that goes is one of the most dentist places on here, or the comment that there are $20000.00 civilians. which i'm not questioning because nobody can know. but the fact that no, not one of those numbers are perceived desk is that from us militant, or the fact that 45 percent done bombs means that they don't hit the target. that's actually a very false statement. you can fire hundreds of thousands of munitions, the determination of whether it's dom as in it has this advanced modern technology
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called precision, guided munitions, or gps does not mean that every round doesn't hit where it they're aiming. so that like the ideals of the bullets on london, which was indiscriminate bombs and bonds were dropped out of the sky and hit anything that they fell on would not be. you'd just carpet bombing unintended on your directed munitions. but i can fire any type of music from a motor round to a box and i will hit what i'm shooting there. so that's the idea of the, the, the use of the numbers means that well, 45 percent of these rules. airstrikes have been indiscriminate, which is a very false statement. well, it's in tell me, didn't mean what does it mean? does it mean that 45 percent of the bombs that have been dropped, have not hit a deemed target? or is that what the thing is, is they basically have just been let the fall and they, you know, they hit what they may as no. no. so the inference is that they,
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they're not hitting what they're supposed to, the only difference between a dumb bomb using modern weapons. and a guided precision is the probability of error, where a precision guided munitions public goods. the error might be one meter which is very accurate in his great no military as a result of battle, only using precision guided munitions in the us military's support to the bottom of my thoughts we ran out of hellfire missiles was as a prison, precision guided munitions a dunbar will hit, but it may have a higher probability of hitting and there are 5 meters to 30 meters from the target . but most of those are getting where they are at the legal military target. it's not like they're flying off course in hitting an unintended target. okay. that's the problem where the, the, you're the, what were to bombings would hit a city, but they weren't hitting a mean at a building. they might just be on the city like london. well, i mean, let me just make sure i'm clear on this. so you're saying to that if, if a bomb is,
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let's say, a meter or 2 off target, it can be considered a dumb bomb, which it still actually hit its target wouldn't beat or may not be a big difference in my understanding. you're right. close. yeah, i mean the difference between precision guided mission have done long as the technologist on it, but the accuracy and the probability of error, you can have a dump bump, be as accurate as a precision guided munitions for probably or the chance of error is higher. well, maybe let me ask you this, you know, we, that report was done based on us intelligence. let me ask you about the value of us intelligence, because really be the only people who can tell us for sure whether or not every bottom has hit every target. that's the idea and we're not privy to that information. so what do, what do we make then of us intelligence at this stage and this conflict? i mean, i trust us intelligence. i think that statement of the difference between pete
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precision, guided munitions and i don't like the term dunbar is an accurate statement, but the ways being used to infer is inaccurate. right? so it's good data, it's good intelligence. but it's inferring a false statement, like, you know, and also the use of the term like most disruptive war of the modern era when it compares, maybe a battle against one city in combination to all the cities and gaza. there's no military in the world who is face the challenge. the israel has, is facing right now in the war against some us, me, ace a, an entire underground war where the enemy is using the civilian population as it strategy to try to get the other side to stop moving forward for the military strategic objective. no military has based a military who is shooting added civilians behind them in the midst of the operation. because of the $13000.00 must walk, it's a 100 percent of those have been done. they do not have precision guided munitions
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. nobody's talking about that. so just, well, why aren't people talking about that statistic and i'll ask you as a military man, is the ivy yes. dropping the ball when it comes to the, the, you know, the public relations campaign that, that it has been very open with since the beginning of this conflict. i mean, the information we get most of the information, if it's not from us intelligence, we're getting it from the idea of, i mean, what great would you give them in their p r campaign mat? i mean, at least i'm not a school teacher, but a high grade. yeah. but yeah, i mean, they have been calling it is, it's the, it's not on them to decide which bits of information get more media attention. other, they put out how much demand terminate goes in how much of a mazda rock is landed on had till a be today. i mean, it puts out that information, but it's, it's on us, as in the greater world on which bits of information like those, 13000 mazda,
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blah goods that are dumb and civilian targets. our work prize and all of them. but yeah, there is an ownership of course, the idea is a western military following the laws of war. uh, but the way the media treats them is that they are looking for data that supports a narrative. that's a fact. and i mean that, but so would you say you're saying that the media many times is trying to push a story that what that puts the idea in a, in a bad life? correct. so how do we get to as close to the truth as possible, major? because i mean, i could, i can tell you that me and my colleagues, my colleagues and i hear you know, we want to do that. what is the truth about this conflict? now? 11 weeks into defined. and the truth of it is it is the greatest test of the western way of warfare. this ideal that
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a war can be fought within the bounds of international humanitarian law that and created this will were to, to reduce the suffering of civilians. despite the modern wars, let's say the last 4 years, 90 percent of the cavities, amount of work are civilians. but that isn't inherent nature of the fact that wars are moving into cities despite everything that the world have done to prevent harm against civilians invoice, but they are the causes of war. but this is actually the greatest test in where that the, if the perception of the use of force is more important than actually following the rules of work. the world will change. how do you get to a better? i mean, you're asking me, the question helps, asking people who can identify when a piece of data is being cherry pick to tell a very specific narrative, but you're offering debates and finding that the people who are explaining like know these are actually the rules. major john spencer. unfortunately we're out of time. um, but i appreciate this very candid discussion with you. um i think that a lot of people around the world will be grateful that you spoke your mind and i
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really appreciate it. thank you. thank you. the, the people of ukraine are ending 2023 still defending against russians invasion, and after a counter offensive that has not met expectations. russia still occupies around one 5th of you crates, territory, and the ukrainian army is unlikely to attempt another major push any time soon. the w correspondent, i mean, sat down with soldiers and medics on leaving the capital. keep to talk about what that means for them and for their country every where the disappointment of, without success will but in they added to them in defense against huge army. this is autumn, it is they have some chemical nuclear weapon. it's
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not disappointing. the, i'll tell you why we were, we were simply, we were defending a strategic points in of, of your trans defense. we have massive attenuate in placements that we're protecting and the enemy hasn't been able to get anyone yet. they would like to destroy those in placements because if they could, they could walk through the next. i could walk into as lobby on, so i could walk into kind of task and we've stayed firm and we felt them through massive casualties. we stood for them and, and they started everything of us and went on talking about everything. anything that explodes or bins can be called to airplane bombs and missiles in that she knew the name we're heading of the lowest. so yes, sort of nice the case because of the many by does he have to lose. so we have so little to stay at the beginning, so i'm was level was level the voice was led to the incipient,
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the young miss dom, seeing if in the book you know, the soonest i knew the in the front. yes it unless if the kid you cartridge sits in the chest, so live them louis to the heart of those of what you for them because of the heart of those are what you duck saw more budget the so even today those in the that, that get the sort of glitch in should, if those are which in that will your vin number is, the question is i think it's a so yeah. can we do a guiding not between entries have put them on the i'll uh, it shouldn't be show cuz i, you know, foreclosure. so we're saying within the crash and we'll do tomorrow with one question of how many lies we kept a span for this. and so, and so what are the difficult to, and this sounds like a you or it's in a claim, you have to green all these some territories, much accept the lose freeze, 100000 people is enough or if you can compare is,
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is that the result of people lives i don't know if i'm optimistic because and so only why the way come to the same line. hopefully the future. assume castillo's here for produce up to to, to uh, to real. but the if chance and i sound good with it was for the thought of safely view the ya play, you call us of the magenta for you. the full school was a lot of sla. yep. yep. the whole of the cabinet for school. so we accomplish that i so when they get not sto, list upon the bull, platinum book, and ottoman, but advising him so that even though the niece has been wasteful his ah, yes,
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