you know, look for him in w, switzerland this year, just like last year, ukraine's presidential lensky deliberate, a request to allies. last year. it was weapons to turn the war around this year. its weapons before the war becomes frozen. i break off in berlin. this is the day i or the moments at the moment. we don't fire much, there's a shortage of ammunition. ukrainians losing their lives. ukrainians, applied to also for our freedom. we need the munitions. we need more man power. we need weapons. we have proposed to guarantee stable and substantial financing through your brain. if we don't get it now, we won't move anywhere. the

also coming up in nato is looking for a new secretary general. he or she should be a european, a leader prepared for any and all challenges from the kremlin to the white house. there is still the question of picking someone who could adapt to a variety of possible outcomes in washington. and some of those outcomes could be very challenging, politically for europe, and to our viewers watching on cbs in the united states, into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin today with warnings of a frozen war coming from the swiss alps. the world economic forum in davos, switzerland, is under way. the 1st major event of the year for global leaders, including ukraine's president zalinski. this week he reminded of the world of the russian invasion in his country and i use the word remind because attention has shifted. think of the crisis in the middle east and the looming us presidential

election. so, and he is worried that this homework could become a frozen conflict. going nowhere, especially if us weapons shipments stop. what is not stopping are the russian air strikes. we have more now and this report to the residential building in odessa hit by the debris a for ronnie and me drones used by russia. ukrainian authorities say they had to evacuate over a 100 residents from here after the building caught fire. a woman who lives here says she managed to escape the burning building. already it was of the entrance of my burning, so just me and my neighbor grabbed all the clothes and brown outside. i put my boots and jacket on when we were already outside. we just stood there, there was no way to go to a shelter. it's far away. then there was

a 3rd head. we crouched behind the buildings, but thank god, nothing hit us. other say they're on harmed by chance. this apartments resident was not at home. this is my apartment on the 2nd floor, the balcony, the drone hit it directly on the local military administration accuses rush of deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure with the boy am will. so certainly we're in a guest as downtown. as you can see, there are no military target and nearby, only civilians here which leads us to the fact that the enemy keeps terrorizing the civilian population somewhere in car keys, which was also targeted by overnight strikes, cleanup is under way after work crimes investigators inspected the scene, it's only the latest of many attacks as ukrainian said,

he suffer some of the worst bombardment campaigns since the start of russia's invasion in 2022. 7 more i was bringing military analysts marine, and marilyn down from king's college, london, marine, it's good to see you. ukrainians and foreign minister says that the priority of this year for the country is to gain control of the sky is now, is that feasible? and wouldn't make a difference for us any like a har key, which is so close to the russian border. good evening. well, we'll have to the construct what collab i saying because the ukraine of being able to control it. skies is a very complicated matter and what it means is that you create at least once a year. it's a very oregon meaning being able to operate in the sky without any prohibitive actions by the russians. and that would entail on 2 types of operations. defensive

content, air operations, and offensive content air over agents, meaning that the ukrainians would need to have enough aircraft to engage the russian aircraft and they would have to have and that to work off of ground based air defense systems. so i'm not sure how it is envisaged that the freight is going to achieve that knowing that the delivery effect succeeds has been delayed and that there was a shortage of your defense. of course, it would make a certain difference denying the russians for you over ability in the aerospace, even for bordering cities. but i don't think that you crank and the chief that the foreign minister deliberate was after world economic for him. earlier today talking, he described 2022 as the year ukraine defeated russia on land. you said last year was the year that ukraine defeated russia, etc. we'd expect you would think an update assessment from ukraine,

but does the rhetoric mask a conflict that i'm using? zalinski is word here that has become frozen as well. i think through a certain extent would have to separate the statements that politicians make from what is actually happening. and what have to bear in mind is the aim of collab a statement in davos, and also has landscape statements because they are, they are to garner support from the west. it doesn't have to coincide was a reality on the battlefield. then i think right now the ukranian armed forces are in a great difficulty containing the ongoing russian pushes combined with the rush in the air campaign at the moment. so i, i don't think that the conflict is frozen, and i think it is a political statement in order to get more weapons. and to show that ukraine is still willing to fight and to push the russians back,

you have to get more weapons. i mean, you've been telling us we've, we've heard this from other military analysts now for almost 2 years that no weapons system on its own will be a game changer. so we'll further deliveries of western weapons where they change the situation on the ground as well. and indeed, um, we cannot say that this specific weapon is a game changer and given ukraine's needs, it needs quite a lot of different sorts of weapons from howitzers, 2 tanks to aircraft, to air defense systems, ammunition i. e, w, electromagnetic war here, equipment. so it's a full spectrum of what the printing i'm forces would need. and i do not think that there was a big capability to deliver as those weapons. and wherever ukraine is going to get again, um, i don't think that it will be a major shift. yes,

it will help ukraine uh, with its long range capabilities, for instance. but i don't seem that it will be changing the situation dramatically unless ukraine gets off of what i have just named. you're considering the debate here in germany about sending in towards the tours to bait and say they're calling it is a landscape analysis here. is that the fear of sending weapons to ukraine, the fear of provoking russia with those weapons enabled this more in the 1st place. do you agree a well i, i was all due respect to mister. so ask, it would have to disagree because if we look back at the origins of this war, it started, well before of february 22, it's been going on since 2014 all over at lee was formations in the dom bass. fighting that ukrainian armed forces, and i think during that time it was

a time when the western countries could have potentially change the situation and could have stepped in, but it has been largely ignored. and a ukraine wasn't car, a student act, old source of reforms to join nato, which aggravated russia's behavior until what we have seen the full scale invasion of february 20, 2204. i think that the weapons or not sending specific types of weapons is not the real reason. right. let me just get your take on this before we run out of time. now, with the possibility of donald trump and coming us president, yet again we're, we're seeing signs that countries are hedging against that, and withholding weapons which they feel that they might need to defend themselves against a further emboldened russia that, you know, ukraine may be the beginning not the end of this. what's your take, as well,

i seems of here is of russia actually attacking in the country are over stated, i don't think that the russia is going to use its military force to attack. so both ex, for instance, because russia understands that it doesn't have that capability to do so. what i think and the problem is, is that russia will not necessarily limit itself to ukraine and not necessarily use military means, for instance, russia is about to sign a military corporation packed was a ran. so russia can influence politics in other regions of the world which are important to western countries, including the united states. and i think that is the real danger here, as well as russia's ongoing informational warfare. military analyst, marina barone from keys college is always learned. we appreciate your time and your analysis. thank you for having me.

the united states has been by far the biggest supplier of weapons to ukraine. germany is the 2nd biggest supplier providing battle chains and air defense systems . but for germany's opposition political party, the christian democrats, the country is not doing enough today in germany's parliament, the motion on sending torres missiles to ukraine, fell on the tourist cruise missile as a longer range than other missiles available to ukraine. it would allow you, great to hit targets across occupied crimea, including the cache bridge, which connex crimea to russia. i want to bring in our political correspondence. i mean young, he's here in berlin to deceive simon. what's behind that? the, the opposition? these christian democrats staging this vote on sending tours missiles to ukraine. what brand, i think there are a lot of politicians, even bill and who are concerned at that to the west. germany included is perhaps

not doing enough to support the ukraine, the cd. usually the freed rich meds has emphasized that there is a sort of style night on the ground in ukraine at the moment in the school. and he says, that's why he's brought full with this motion in parliament today. it to cause or force the government's hand and you know, get them to provide more. and they think that to this could really make the key difference in trying to push back the russian forces in ukraine. this a tourist weapon. this got a range of 500 kilometers and could really help to sort of take out things like munition bases and, you know, attack the supply line. so they think it could make a huge difference. and that so the reason to push the government, of course, there's also a political motif, it's clear, the government is somewhat splits on this child. so the shelves himself is hesitant

to deliberate taurus and some pro minutes. figures within the government parties has a role in reco. it is saying that you think it would be a good idea. so i think k as the opposition sort of attacking that political vulnerability as well. and so in this case, does no really mean no. does the fact that parliament voted against sending these missiles doesn't mean that they will not be set as well? not to perhaps in the long term. uh you, despite to the fact the channels we showed said um, fairly clearly back in october of last year that he was against sending these things. the government does say that the eighty's looking daily at every thing it can do to help ukraine when this war and not lose it. uh and uh, and the concern, by the way, uh with taurus is the ukraine might use these weapons to strike russian territory

directly. and that could lead to an escalation in the war. kia says it won't do that. but as i say, the governments, you know, looking at ways to help ukraine and they're also making demands on other countries . they're saying let's buying. busy let's produce more weapons. now there are countries out there around the world. he's got stokes, have some tea weapons that you probably could use. why don't buy those up and provide those in some a saying, well, you know, it's not just taurus there are many other kinds of things that ukraine needs. yeah, it's, i mean, you know, we remember germany would not send the tanks to ukraine until the us agreed that it would do that. and now we have the chancellor schultz saying that in the delivery of taurus missiles would depend on the united states. i mean, how do you explain this level of, you know, caution you 1st been us or yeah, well, i think, yeah, of course gemini, the does tell you it's position to the us position in particularly,

and so he has to take military affairs and uh, you know, i barely noticed that to the, to its the economic and military molly to the us. that's really the backbone of, uh, all the west and the lines. so keeping it step with washington is a pool. and i think the gemini, also, it's been important not to be, you know, split simple away from the pack, putting mice that sees on any, uh, you know, any um unique um action flights. you may decide, you know, that going further. and then becoming a policy to this war, and that could escalate things in europe independently from the us. so i think it's important for germany to keep in step with washington the same time. it's not any about that child specials. he's pressing how the european nations to provide more help to ukraine as well. dw, so many young with the leaves tonight here in berlin is always, simon, thank you. his

contract has been extended numerous times in stoughton. barry has been nato secretary general for almost a decade. he's expected to pass the baton to his successor and an upcoming summit in washington, dc to mark native 75th anniversary. he or she must have unanimous support but then the alliance. it's a tall order, the dummies. jerry schultz has been looking into who could possibly fit that bill. the place, it's been one of the most popular guessing games in brussels for years. who will replace again? stilton burge? the norwegian nato chief has been asked to stay on his head of the western military alliance, 4 times, once, even after he'd already accepted another job and it is time for nato leaders to find a good candidate. it's really important that a choice is made early enough and that it is d linked from both the european union

elections and the campaign for the united states elections. just why the alliance has been unable to find a suitable replacement is not exactly clear in part because there's no official procedure for doing so. there has been an unofficial list of desired qualities, experienced as a head of state or government of a country with robust defense spending from a southern or eastern ally and preferably finally, a woman. many names have come up and gone down. currently let be in foreign minister, christiana is current. as tony and prime minister kind of goal is and outgoing does prime minister mark route you all want the job, which is gradually emerged as the clear favorite, a see for choice with most goes more on ukraine dominating the alliance agenda. there is the sense that to having somebody from the baltic states to,

to be at the state to be somehow got the productive short term full. and it's difficult to see what exactly done. the problem is because the relations with russia are frozen at this point. in any case, mark, which is reported leave the only candidate who has been discussed by nato ambassadors. and while this all takes place behind the scenes, kind of call is, is making clear. she's notice that what used to be considered the desired qualities . and a new leader which she fulfills seem to have changed. take a look. it should definitely be from a country that has spend to 2 percent of the g to be on defense. and it would be nice if it would be a woman, so it's logically smarter than a stone use. defense spending will reach 3 percent of g d p. well, the netherlands won't quite hit nato's target of 2 percent. the nato dynamics are so closely watched that this exchange between a huge and call us at

a european union summit. lead to suggestions, he may have been using the opportunity to build consensus for the job. on the other side of town. we asked. no, no, no, no, no, no. but it's not only european support, a new nato secretary general will need with us elections looming. there is still the question of picking someone who could adapt to a variety of possible outcomes in washington. and some of those outcomes could be very challenging, politically for europe. yeah, stilton bank are into the title of the trump whisper. how? because he was so successful at manage and then us presidents, distain for nato, and route to m a already have an advantage there. should it become necessary? we've become friends over the last couple of years. and, but even though speculation has gone on for years inside or say it's still too early to predict the outcome, nothing is decided until everything is decided. the one thing that does seem

certain is against oldenburg will finally get to leave the post as the 2nd longest serving nato secretary general. so far, dw series phillips, you called the report, you join me now from brussels. going to see terry either. stonebridge is kind of like the duracell battery, but it just keeps going and going and going, i mean his, his contract you said extended 4 times. you know, why did they do that? why didn't they just give the job to someone else and see who you know, would qualified to leave today? the why extended so many times? you know, it wasn't always his own choice brand. he actually wanted to leave more than once. he took another job at the norwegian central bank, and then he wasn't basically allowed to leave. and so this is how it's gone after the 1st 4 year term you had trumped in office. and still them were, was somehow getting along with trump and managing to tamp down his temper tantrums . and everybody was like, ok,

let's renew his contracts. because we don't want to rock the boat. we don't want to risk someone coming in who can't manage trump. and then another 4 year contract, you're that came up and, and the war in ukraine started russians attack on you crenan. everybody was like, we don't want to rock the boat again. and so that was 8 years gone. and then there were 2 years between that and the 75th anniversary coming up this summer. and there was a big push to just extend him further. you know, he's a likable guy. nobody is really opposed to him. there are countries who would have liked to bring in another candidate, but it basically made sense and the world has been in turmoil, and they just didn't want to risk someone knew it is a requirement in data that all numbers be democracies. and you said the selection process here for a new head mostly takes place behind closed doors and private negotiations. i mean that, that doesn't seem very democratic, as i can see where the criticism comes from because nobody knows what's going on.

and again, this process is so secretive that literally when we were referring earlier to the time that sold him, but it was almost going home. his staff had applied for jobs back in also, and everybody was gossipping about it. then those job applications were pulled back and that's how we knew he was staying. that's how behind closed doors. this is no one, talks about it. and even those candidates who would like the job, don't really campaign for it. they're not really encouraged to talk about it. and mark, which is candidacy was basically the deduced because he said he wouldn't be opposed to getting the job. and he said, have been done on a local radio station. so this is really mark you this process. and you can see from that clip with a stony and prime minister kind of call is that she doesn't like that, but she, she came out on that to on that panel. and so yeah, i'd like to be considered. but you know, if she comes down to having to get unanimity and some countries veto wave more than others, and you have to get the united states on your side and the u. s. has wanted to keep

stilton berg and it seems they know mark want margaret to you mentioned to the trepidation in europe about the potential of 2nd trump administration of do you think the iowa result showing how popular he is? is that gonna have an impact on the outcome? it made a i would definitely say that this will just propel even further. the trends that we saw toward markovich and for the reasons that i mentioned in the piece that he seems to have a congenial relationship with trump. on the other hand, those people who don't want a push over for a secretary general could also point to the fact that we're to has argued with trump. trump once said sitting next to mark, we are to, you know, it'll be fine if we don't get an e, you trade deal a european union trade deal. you know, that works fine and marker to interrupt him and said, no, that's not ok. we need a trained deal, so i think that he basically takes those box boxes, although there are plenty of countries who would very much like to see a qualified woman would like to see someone who's not from northern europe. but it

doesn't look like they're going to get what they want it just as easy as i just started this at you. if we were talking about it, you take a term for president biden or a just another person, not trump being the next president. do you think that, you know, the possibility of the next had a native being a woman that there were not even be an issue here? i don't and if you had asked me a year ago, i would have said, i do think a woman would have had a much greater chance. and there were women in the past who had thrown their head in the rank higher cost isn't the 1st one. but it seemed that the trend toward re to started even before trump's tons, you know, lead became obvious. it, it just may be that you know, that the default is that people are comfortable with the man who has been in power for a really long time is marketed. it has everyone seems to be comfortable with him. yeah, that's right. the trump shadow tends to be along with that's for sure. terry hall, it's in brussel. it's terry. as always, we appreciate your reporting tonight. thank you. thank you. as well. the

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