is there another way officer rules? the environment is not responsible. make up your own mind. dw, made for mines the israel, how boss was moved briefly to an open courtroom with the hague. as the international court of justice hud accusations of israel had committed genocide, gaza palestinians, welcome to move, including my guest, who stuff about booty and the west bank who heads the palest city of national initiative, was the one from the court immediately to allow me is to say that there is a mission of genocide and so give, is it an or death to stop those popular to close violence against all civilians. but he was of special combinations of israel. so how will and how will the hatreds

of good faith? can garza ever be rebuilt and the better future be salvage the little, the suffering of destruction? let's talk about the welcome to complex of. thank you, but to be with you. you've said that as well is failing. it's declared items in the cause of war, but jerusalem exists it. how much will be liquidated? and the fighting will go on until that happens. do you seriously doubt israel is ability to achieve as a absolutely, i'm not on the mean. i think the media isn't really that is like as in god was a number of the and what had been a thought saying the same as an in the nothing you know is trying to create an impossible mission by trying to display how much, how much is not just a minute that is structured, it's much this is much bigger than that. and the, i don't think the, this, this is

a goes up to should be pursuant. i think that i have which is to ask, what can be done to and just for the situation. yes. but let's go ahead and there come by, my boss is a minute to find a city. a group is classified as a terrorist organization. jeopardy, the you, us, do you really think at some point as well, we'll just give up the fight against it is all right, and we'll have to make these was all the listing is including time us. there is no other way. eh, montane book, your patient is not the solution. thinking of ethnic cleansing as a solution is also impossible. so there is only one way in and the, to my knowledge, how much would it be to do to accept the listing and steve, within that. and so that expected to step solution after design launched. but to continue with this occupation would not be plunder solution onto piece. i want to get into just what kind of future you envisage for the palestinians

a bit later. but there's been a huge debate around the world about the force of israel's response to what happened on october. the 7th you have, of course, condemned that responds to but on to me this, if you will, if a single day, how must must have good hundreds of his race in the west attack of jew since the 2nd world war, women and children of people would murder some or even right to a sexually abused for some of the we're actually in the peace movement. is it time that how was there as well? supposed to react to that press the let's, i agree that i do not accept the can you go to the engineering, go to the human near to mississippi and all that kind of thing on, on as of right. but i don't think that the fact that csr isn't it, the children would come that the just unacceptable is, are drops execution functioning,

$10000.00 posting in children. that is an acceptable but you're not the, i'm the, i'm the has to do. you did not started from this event supposed to, but the big question here is how many pundits doing ends up being killed since 1948 and what happened before the 7th of october. if we have time, i can describe that. but i think the message that by this thing is we have this evening that isn't as does not belong to. these does not belong to an hour. and a students do an integration. and the start in the united nations and kind of the model is showing the annexation of small on the west bank, also garza and the cdn to buy the heights. nothing, you know is declaring company do not choose the best prime minister to prevent a listing in states. so often investigation planned on violence. is it to continue the environmental guys which has already taken the lives of 29000 people?

if we include the people on the in order to find a different monthly winter, you have allowed. so my question, which was how was israel suppose to respond to what happened on october? the 7th, we could get it to the history we will get into the history. um, but, but what kind of response would you expect as well to have made? i'm didn't how boss expect that it would be exactly what happened. exactly what happened? look at it, how is it as responded with boom, vitamin to discuss continuously for the see leaks using on types of aspects. there is like 70 percent of all the houses income, you know, according to the most recent events during the 2nd world war, germany has on the 10 percent of the homes and does that and get unlimited storage unit on 2nd. what is it?

i'm not the proportion of the different sorts of different options, but what would have been proportion? that's what would it be that point of, you know, what would be proportional just to say to the world enough is enough with this set up and violence. we don't want this to continue and the end of the patient to, i'm going to conduct the thought and i know that you can come to the patient if you concentrate on the symptom of that event, the cause of the disease. you're saying, you're not saying that's how boss is a was as i said earlier, to provoke israel and to doing exactly what it did, provoke, must've been that tree retaliation. i bent them as well for it. no, i don't think so. i don't think i must expect to have this kind of an edge. i don't think so. or maybe if they knew what, what was what going to happen if it would have to revise the plans? i don't know. i'm up in 10 months. but i know that we've been living so 75 for use of oppression of the displacement of ethnic cleansing,

which affect up 70 percent of the palestinian people. i know that 70 percent of the population of guys that have bills if you use the live buyers that are in the 1948, i'm the one that goes it has to be on the siege for 17 years with no electricity, no water, the water, no no, no economy, 80 percent of the people. what i do kid live on, employee and 70 percent. what on the positive and what, what did that lead to? i know that kind of thing and sign the agreement piece. i agree, mental is or what they accept. it a very painful compromise. i stayed on 22 percent of the, of the historic palestine. all the united nations said we shouldn't have 44 percent . i'm still isn't it. and wouldn't accept. i know that nathaniel was needing this was. may that right? mention wait, wait, like wait a minute in december, 2000 and president clinton, that who at excuse me, israel and who would back over to

a state on 95 percent of the west bank, a 100 percent of the gaza strip with land swaps to compensate for the sacraments control of our barriers of east jerusalem divided sovereignty over the holy sides. provision for the return of many palestinian refugees to the new state. it was even by the reckoning of palestinian company. the data is the best deal that you, what ever offered of yasser, arafat turned it down. so you can blame the lots of things, but you have also missed opportunities along the way. this was the largest opportunity that you did miss, wasn't it? you sent them. this is the sort which you have just described. no, it's a global narrative. actually. i know it's not because what demands that the negotiations send them is that is that it was not accept this thing and saw that i need to over is to have something that was the main cause. why that these

negotiations fence and visit my accept by this to me, i'm going to don't over the waters in the joint on friday. and this is not except exactly that they would with 0. that's how much time though to bite the sign. we spoke about the one side, the not there is another side of that. the deal certain said have you had a better off? no, no, that's good point. i'm just my, my question is, why is it an up to now? does not say to the world until you have money to buy the studios. what are they about? this is what is the only country in the world which refuses to identify it's bought this. nothing now is saying, i mean, we find most likely him until destroyed. so starting, nothing, yeah, the man may have the dimension of his life to can also until the potential for the state solution. okay. well the, that, that, that is, that is your narrative. that is the public speaking the barrier to if you just

because you accuse me of pushing israel's narrative. but that's yours. i want to ask you how important to you is the judge of genocide against israel brought by south africa at the international court of justice. do you do respect that court? absolutely, and i do think that south africa is clinic about the bidding disputes, and it does not go incident that south africa that i'd have to call out to get the quotes, throws out the south african accusation of genocide. will you accept that or accused the cause of bias? we will not have to learn it by deals by us. you will continue to set our good to make the world understand what's happening. but if you allow me, when 29000 people in those by the studios out of cuz most of the civilians win 10000 children outcome in less than 3 months. i'm doing 75 percent of the of the horses are destroyed and only of us citizen are destroyed and most trusted because

i've destroyed and the of my stuff. so it's now says i'm have little fish in the room, but the buyers that are in a good many of them and 104, i'm dealing with this like this is general side and when, when nothing. yeah, and money out of that is that it really does declare in the very beginning of the war that's on palestinians must be evicted. but i'm going to sign on that there's an intention not only posed to conduct ethnic cleansing, but to conduct the general side bible embodying the city and population. israel has rejected the judge on many occasions, and we'll have to wait about several years for the court to give a final decision that may be interesting provisions that there's a bounces. but it could take a long time with the lovely luncheon of the court immediately. if you allow me is to say that there is a suspicion of,

of genocide. i'm to give it as an add on or the stop door, or do you will slow resent the quotes if it doesn't do that? no, no, no, we just stick the we, we haven't been feeling well then, but less than a criminal record for us. now, mr buckley, when he, what kind of society, you talked about all the horrors that of been going on and gaza, the destruction, the desk, the injuries, the lack of basic supplies, what, what kind of society can emerge from this war? after all, the physical and psychological damage, especially to children, i do. what do we have such a funny been amount of damage and destruction we have to is one is to make it that isn't for the events or another way is to make it the front. i believe and making it, don't know what's on it yet. it might be, it was just an idea this

a comfortable lot, but the point is he built it and we kindly built over the country, but we cannot city built our company when we are okay. buy advisor, and in my opinion the whole world must see us as equally human beings with eyes of it. when the, when the boy was, sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you when the war ends. you want to see palestinian elections . you set the current crisis, you wrote to show the need for palestinians to have a unified leadership and unified into the national unity government. the majority of power standing forces groups agree with this vision. really, they've never been able to agree on anything like it in the past that allowed unity between rival sections, how many promises were made about elections and then broke. how many publishers about publish the new the t decade after decade? yeah, after yeah, never happened. was it going to happen now?

because we've never been in such a difficult situation as we are to the i'm any responsible 1st duty on, on addition, must accept. the unity is the only out of this mess. you know me, i've been, i've looked at, i'll tell you consideration between fire and how much i even redid them between them. and i was, the person who managed to convince them was creating a nation that even if the government in 2007, if that government stayed on, if the board cut it, we would have been now in a different situation. we went fed that in 2021. we were just about to have the democratic connections for the 1st time since 2006 unfortunately is the obstacle to prevent the elections. they did not allow elections enjoy those of the city and also to use that as an excuse to cancel the elections, which was a big mistake. how do we have elections in 2021?

not think about the impact of started without government. absolute majority, we would have had to have a democratic coalition and then a government control invoice with the bank and gaza. i've been continuing to struggle have independence, identical to mention. you say this without going to but the you've never showed that the palestinian authority in particular is never sure of much of the way of democratic credentials have. if you look at the flagrant human rights abuses committed by security services, the torture they abuse the club down of free speech. the interruption was that whole israel fault. yes, it was the corruption. they made them to not, not, it's not isn't as full alone, but it does. lot of really isn't and it falls because because that i didn't want to step on this thing and also need to be on the security code on them. this is what i as, and the united states fault in particular that if used to allow us to have democratic

3 elections. ok, let's talk about the united states for a moment. because the view seems to be that any agreement must contain what they call a political horizon for the palestinians and ultimately a palestinian state. do you trust america to insist on that or done? it hasn't been part of the thinking for a very long time. has it unfortunately, the states of america has lost them, me an opportunity to be a total me do you understand me the kind of between us on visitors and that's why i don't think they can play about and why they are supporting this optimal city against us. and why they are about to see people in the themselves by sending americans longer to participate and then on dominican advisors and, and planes it's, it's that's, it's not too late. i don't know if i'm in. do you have time? you have to be in boshamp, in this case the united states cannot be in boston because it, this becoming a total and complete strategic support. federal is a, it's an edition,

i guess the student, people just about 13 by you don't have a choice here. you don't have a choice here, whatever you think of the, by the administration. a victory by donald trump in november wasn't exactly the hans, the palestinian position would. so you're going to need to work with by now, whether you like it or not to the palestinian groups on the stop that the reason i refused to work was by didn't it's mister biden, who, upstairs from doing and fulfilled his duty during the 3 years before the war started when he continued to save the post. this solution is what we need, but it's not time for that. and when the 9th of states of america did nothing to for us, is it, i have to start building 7 months, which is a united states of america mex, it's the main office to control the possibility of the 2 state solution. so it's not our problem, is that a problem? but let me tell you what happened with that and guess a union to these, this is very dangerous for the whole one. why?

because end of the entity is the united states out of 10 in the world that we don't have international law anymore. and that's what the, what is done by those of jungle. you know what that would mean to other countries in this world. it would mean if you have the problem, you can do it if you want. well, that's a bad. okay. can you guys look at that closer, closer to hope with you. if you reject violence against civilians you've made that perfectly clear. but if the gentleman by him, i'm not who i've been advocating environments all my life. i understand. but opinion polls in the west bank and gaza show growing approval for violence. what's going on resistance, just 2 months into the war. 60 percent of public opinion said they'd back a violent struggle up 10 percent from before the conflict on palestinians tired of fighting really want more. i assume you have supported the resistance.

it's through and then be documented that existence of this time is a big majority of the think that many times it is this does is more effective mainly because it's an outcome the other way which is b is so when you go see issues, then what's missed that i bass, this government, but i didn't go through yet. what is there any sort of have to use signing that agreement, making us compromises and get the nothing but human emotion. and as it is violation even of the stigma and also to has depriving get from i mean, also to, to whatsoever inventing all the policies and citizen, those back include the what you were talking about the about guys about also about the west bank, you know, and the west bank, the army has, could probably be more than $540.00 people since the beginning of last year. and it goes on and set the packing gust on said lot about receiving work on sundays,

early government. so that's what i'm, how much does the government be? yes, but the from the other side, whatever israel did from us was committed to its destruction. wasn't that the august 19? $88.00 governor made that clear. there's no solution that set for the palestinian question except through g. od initiatives. proposals and international conferences are a waste of time. factors from us never wanted to talk. it only wanted the fights and by all accounts, it still does is not the truth. not exactly because yes it will have such statements before, but i know exactly how from the states because i met with them and all the bushes we had, i even managed to convince them was non violence of the distance for more than 5 youths during which time on that it was peaceful demonstrations and they went back to me by the side. yes. i do you what they can't accept. what was included in the

national unity program of our national unity government and 2007. and it was a clear up under simeon state on 1967, but that's including these drawers. and then i add up location of that. do you want? i'm just using of other items to the dental, but a see now this, which is just the bottom of the see if they got it. of course, of course, it's not the 2017. they said there shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the zionist entity. so again, nothing to discuss the final lift meant to do what mr. this must have said. who is the finance minister needs through a new concept. he's not in the government, not to the minnesota and the government. he said he called him says he wasn't shy lambert, i'm calling from central office on the floor. and he said that we, he said the business from the, from the bank would settlements on this. so that kind of thing is, would lose any of the staples that on. and then they would have one of the options

either to leave which is that from the cleansing auto accept a life of subjugation to is that is which is i thought died or died. which is which is genocide. the minute the, all fine the, i'm, what you said wasn't able to get that by the time you know, i, on, you could sit down and look for the position that was expressed as it's hopeless. i hope in a different way. i see the reason of the people on both sides who could try to get that to find a way or out of the situation, but to accept i may have a principle which has application of international which say is, occupation must end as an entity point. so piece between both people, how like, how long is that, how likely is a day of that's very low your, your, a low voice, and the very big will do this on to step by godaddy. when i, i,

that's funny. i was asked this question many times, but i just spoke to them by asking the question, who, who would have never thought that gentleman's unfinished people would companies and such a way and they will be in union after having so many words. i think i miss daniels lives. jewish people are very much alike. we could build a field trip together together not have them to continue to fight each other. because each of you, you, you wrote, you wrote in may last year that a great number of palestinians believe the only solution left is a single democratic state on the whole of what you quoted started palestine without occupation, a positive or discrimination. in other words, a one state solution where all citizens have equal rights of equal duties. what are the makes you think that something like that is even remotely possible? because in that situation, like we have to do on the lines of historic,

by this time we have about 7000000 jewish people, about 7000000 people living on the same land. one site is powerful, the other side is weak. one side is i know to buy or the other side, this will to bite. what is the solution? one of the reasons, the 1st one is to state solution, which is the most problem. the 2nd solution is one of the democratic states literally kind of live together equally and, or exist peacefully. the only have the option because if mcclintic or 1st thing, that's exactly what nothing, you know, i'm smart village of trying to do. and that's what, that's what i have to do in government. but that's what i love to work. so that's why we have one or 2 options. i have the one of the book that i could speak. why not? and as one of my best friends daniel button on the literature, the waiting on the musician told me once, sometimes then boss of it is easy of the difficult. and that's why i will never

stop believing that and wondering what kind of steps going to be possible. i know it looks now impossible with all these feelings over the advantage of vengeance, etc. but my view with you as a leader is somebody home to people. but other than be picking them depressed very briefly because we're running out of time just literally what, what if you comp 5 the don't find the solution that you're looking for is october. the 7th is going to happen again and i hope not. i don't think violence is the solution to any other violence. i think that the action items, it isn't of the people on smart have to be, but look, always look for another type of dispatch and that's what i would continue to 2nd floor so that i would have people eventually be free. i would have people who would be accepted as equals human beings and we would have all the lights on top of which should be freedom on different stuff in fargo too. thanks very much for being a complex. so thank you. thank you.

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