secrets lie behind these discovered new adventures in 360 degrees and explore fascinating. both heritage sorry. dw world heritage 360. now the this week on the 77 percent street debate. i did not get that scholarship. i looked, i heard that they wanted, you know more people's more of your back to where trying to like w. and that was why it must be this month. you'd reach me that people, i haven't tried. it is just mine or what i have. i tried. i think, well, the other issue about what do you know about that not transitioning just is doing a lot round because what you're saying, you're doing nothing. the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent sweet debate this week. we are in lagos,

nigeria, and would you believe me if i told you that this country has over 300 ethnic groups? that's crazy to think about. and with that comes of a 500 language is making this one of the most diverse countries in the world. but that's a bus. it's because sometimes gets in its own way, resulting to tribalism. and the question today is kind of this country over coming . and what can the older folk learn from the younger people who better to ask the fellow nigeria and thank you all for joining us. but before we begin, i'd like to ask a general question. how many of you here have experienced tribalism, directly or indirectly? let me see by show hands in directly and directly. okay, so quite a fair amount of you. let's start with you. i mean, what was that experience like if you don't mind sharing it was very uncomfortable because essentially we are such a huge nation and we have so many languages. so hearing that you cannot have an opportunity to do something because your family might not to tribal from

a tribe that is not central. what's actually very uncomfortable for me. so was this something that happened where you were denied a service or you what do you night, what give us a few more details. okay, so these pictures i was, um, i wasn't a relationship with someone and i was not allowed to marry this person because he was from one of the truck. so it was kind of, you know, uncomfortable, it was back and forth between families. what you don't know if this person, i know him so it's about the people know about whether from what the people are like or what the people have done, etc, etc. okay, so we've been raised his hand. yeah. and he's actually a historian. so before we continue with people's personal experience is just take us back a little bit. where does the idea of tribalism begin to in they do, whether they show up, try bodies in the games. me at the pre colonial period. okay. as long as you make sure, and then do i is home to a multiple ethnic groups. so people exist that you do have different ethnic levels . and then we had the colonial period. okay. and where the, the, the clearly, almost as i'm in use use the,

the issue all try by using ok to rule the country forward. you have benefits. ok. and then we had it posted independence period as a postcolonial period. that's where we had the, the codes and then we had the codes i caused. and then of course, you know, the 1st cool was that there are different positions that it was a selective because i think be cool because of the selective targets ok of those that were involved. but they're also opposing arguments against that. well that's cause that's, that's, that's the history. that's how you came down. i mean, the program that followed up to, just to conclude it was, i am because i've looked at the 1st 2. i mean, lots of people from the eastern extraction we're guilty with with, with that. okay. and that was quite a problem on that has that has formed part of the whole fabric on the whole system of nigeria, of the country. yeah. so a very doc and sometimes violent history because of tribalism. thank you. so he started cutting, we used to do insights into loads pretty colonial period. there's

a lot of new fighting amongst your rust if i just not call themselves your rush it to all you try it. it's right to help the butte for the house has to. it is the same thing. they used to always spies almost themselves on the board, especially the boys because they will have you say that you, well i'm, i guess i'm on the bottom for that. and he bought it simply means that people have looking in that says they have no central authority. the address target was, let's say this is the town i don't know the talk and they always buy to for one talk to the other. so you raise a very important point to, oh, i really loved the enthusiasm here, but i have to send to buck the debate for a 2nd, walking around nigeria today. i mean, i kind of distinguish between unable i your bought a house. so how does it money fest in contemporary and they do in life go to the l as in lion and then someone, you know, says that the euro bought the euro, but try like, foamed or made, you know, nobody would, which is the 3rd because movie industry as well as people were saying, oh no,

this one was struggling is the ball was when the system said no, it's the houses and i was thinking about something, i'm like, why do we have to bring the ad, the, the whole nature of tribe into this conversation i'm from a minority fact, we don't even make noise. what does it mean that i'm less balance at? no right now and also show me that you can see people insulting themselves. people trying jobs that due to about when like i ask, where is humanity? yeah. okay. so you as a very important question, why that needs to identify along tribal lines and not just as they do as molly would as after beads. let's ask henry here because he works for a national agency or orientation which is basically supposed to unites nigerians. there's nothing intrinsically wrong with identifying with your tribe is the so where does the child is coming? no, that was, you know, said lots of things on up. you know, so shoot me that that's bringing a bunch of memories that i'd be he would do better about his impact into us. okay, let me talk to somebody who knows a little bit about social media. some of was a digital strategies. so does this imply that it's young people because the ones

who a majority of social media, who have been heavy to this disease of tribalism, major has about what's to be under ethnic groups, 500 languages. if you put people of different needs in the same place, it's bound to be a disagreements, right? i think you just didn't really natural that those days would happen. the young people let you know for oh, you said things like those people, people do your about people on it. it's what they knew on what i think ease if one of their i differentiate issue be similarities, right. and did you all got people don't really care about? the difference is if you ask everybody we don't really care, right. the younger people have their own cultural, don't these, these things, you know, and i think this, we try at the end of the day. okay. so i'm hearing here, i'm going to come to you just a 2nd. i'm hearing a lot of. we're really not try believes we don't care what tribe you come from. and yet you're telling me that in your politics, sometimes even in your relationships tribalism is sleeping through why is that? let me hear from someone of the back here. i would like to touch on the aspects of

culture. i think the culture is meant uniform, that mentally to integrate just as the people and the fact that he behaves. he's maybe able and i'm your by or he's how is that it doesn't change the idea. and the fact that there is an aspect of individually seeing everybody. so i said i'd be costs if i have, if i have a bad activity, for example, when i say that it is when i do and that made me have about that. you know, it is me, it's as you, maria, maybe, but i will. i didn't think that the training that my parents gave me, maybe i didn't listen to them very well when i was growing up. that is what makes me happy about attitude. ok. ok, yes i do. and because you mentioned, if i know you want to say something, but i want to come to it gets you cool for a 2nd here because we are hearing about the values of a sometimes of pride to you as part of your culture and your identity. fantastic. but isn't there room for national values for a night jury and i just for someone like me comes, are you not you? i don't have the, the, the loves we will be new. ty, buddies, i know is the reason why say this is because 1st i am able by size um delta and by

what we do, i'm going by by breast, and that's what i zation and how so by my reach, i know epic by my time i'll condition so i see, so how do you, how do i find myself and it's got a 40 so, and so how do i, how do i, you know, become type of these things? so i think it's, it has a lot to do with the individual as press when i, when i hear people see, especially besides the mind before the 9 julian i, i say something which is the highest social. you need to be a human before you belong to. we try now you hear the houses called into eagles. yeah. maybe no. the, what do you, i mean, you actually came from that same movie, which means give me, we'll talk when you try to get, try to tell someone that the, the, the 5 people that you're quoting, that my booking you'll have you saw with my friends or your friends it but this is so easy to see when you point the finger of someone so much is pointing out to you . let me hear from to bill for a 2nd here by the way. i love the choir that's happening in the background. yeah. yeah. yeah. so the few things that you've said, and i want to give you

a chance to, i just want to build on what you said, lack of the memory, you called me, was it something that money to is the slogan? dude, in the sequel. so you notice the way he's to be used to affects us. so this new generation of, let's see, all us that the don'ts see that us will fancy. so but um, when, when history is being taught to them, that's when do now we call that school. so this is what this means. so advocates in history from the party for a long done by the den presidents or disabled lessons a which is a 2 widths in the bronx. and i'd be too soon of these to be from the sea level as does to vehicle this. well, people who are seeing seemed to have bodies to upwards, to tease it away from the new edge. and it is on, well it's, it's done. it has its pros and cons. uh, let me get from it's on you for a 2nd because you've been wanting to speak for a while and i want to find out from you you that this disconnect between the young

generation and the older generation. the older generation being the ones who went through the civil war will really know about this cause of tribalism. yeah. so the, the big disconnect, i see that very or whenever people kindly during the election, these pos electronics, it was very, very over. it was very clear where the oh daddy, the oh that was the kind of like relax um, do you want to put too much pressure of the just comfortable where the way you get somebody like the very subdued you gotta do your thing to move forward. do you see what i think is on social media? how old are countries? i'm moving forward periods and everything i do want to make was help when you we have all the resources, you have everything while we still hear you get the whole and testing should how you need see is that you need is very, very you 90 most of the younger generation, the most name, pre id, um to get you, christine, got it outside the finished increasing type range. use them. got every right you guys. so it was this, it was a very beautiful for me to see, to weakness you get. so i think uh well that generations are holding those box

because of the, the things that happened to the breaches came and divided everywhere and, and did not say using that as the system is the more they put it on the system because he's not visible is that what you're thinking about us or are you on agency? i think we should need to, we need to be very, very black and white. the bulky very on this. if you ever on it's going to see things you read the and then be able to pointed out you. good. so let me get some practical examples. anyone here who has perez, who a very try, believes and it makes you uncomfortable, anyone of whose parents hold views that you are like i, i am, i'm a anyway my, that used to tell me at the time that you know matters when we purchased a lot like, oh, that'd be gone to what the way i back since the rough time she will not and some of you just tell me these don't go embody from that's right. i know, fortunately for when i go to my close friends, i was to be from from the tribe. so let me ask emmy because you started us off with

the story about marriage. what is a big deal in marrying outside of your community? according to the people who are against. okay, so i'm from bios that states and essentially my people are turned in my lord to try because we don't make up, you know, a large number of the people, the main syria. we have small tribes. so my re, somebody from my tribe, i'm just, you know, continuing the line is continue the culture. continue with the that's what they're going to risk marrying your cousin. you feel such a small try? it's actually helpful. yeah. so yes, it does happen. i don't think it's frowns on, it's just not too close to home. but i think after which i would say that that more has been work. how not because of what they did was because the 2 of us agreed much would be that we should not continue to eviction, should what they wanted was just so that i try can continue. and i think that personally, i fear my in the coming years if we could see me on my re like that, like that, like that maybe we might not have by also. oh okay,

let me hear from the general manager. all right, um i will start with this. i was frozen up or down before i became a nigeria and i was an engineer. and before i became on the board, pressing i work with most of the people from the north. i'm from the west. you and has done it when i, when i go back to up with you, i did the job, i'm supposed to resume from somebody who's on the not so my personal experience having to work with these different kind of people makes me one to know more about our culture or do i really join doctor? i just don't i never had, i've seen whenever i come across so important there shouldn't be died. dogs. you think that try bodies the you know, it doesn't make sense. younger generations. we need to put our heads together, get, go back to history, make research and you know, see how we can push to get on. i'm making energy at work. ok. so i just want somebody to clarify something for me because it seems that the issue of i believe them comes up when it's intimate relationships, right? so not microwaves. what about business? what about politics? to let me hear who somebody who wants to respond to our weakness and have values

and what else to let me check on the school in front of my who was my name sick, but he wasn't fault. it was the delta e both on the phone. the closing 9000 probably 9 to and we got to think about marketing and then engineering engineering to go through that. didn't get that question and it'd be that way through different places. i say hearing that because i'm from delta, i'm across the 9 job. i'd be more number under as microsoft, my cost would be higher than the 2nd level. so p paid to god's lives on the, on the on i am from the north, on 5 on every gets into school. and you don't get into my studying get, this is really imagined i okay. is happening on the secondary level, adult level, educational and imagine wasn't on politics, business every other thing. so i think national registry in jersey, they have not, i don't think they've address all these issues. well, here is the national orientation agents. no. okay, what i will tell you that i'm not sure about this or you're just is doing a lot where to go from what she's saying you're doing nothing. that's what i'm about to tell you. well, the only government suggest apart from security, jesse,

that's a suppressed sense. in all the someone that says the for the government, so we are programs out of sets in place to address tie bodies. and one of them is beauty before the government also outputs measures in place studies, some governments, it does. one of them is for the collector commission, you mentioned that time that you saw a pass by, by the name of the operating embodied use, entire initial. she's interesting such a hassle. love not only that, it doesn't pull you up with this. it doesn't really happen. the parties is the opposite government, 2nd, well goodness. as most these does not support a government addressing place to ensure that yes such things are quote to you. i, one of them is for, is that correct? okay, okay. i think we should do. i need to bring a little bit of history to that, so we should, we should lose sight of what tribes, by the way, let's just clarify that for a 2nd, because i only ever hear the words try in relation to africa. when we go to the northern hemisphere, they're referred to as ethnic groups. what's the issue? why? well, i think the, that's, that shouldn't be

a problem. i think we should focus on what tried these as a word i did say about being it is, it is group identity. the problem is try bodies and which is the behavior ok try it is a basic human instinct. is it best to just lay a whole guy just like um, i'll be tied for these off with that. okay, that's what's how human survived increasing seems to be like this out there. they have to come together. okay, so that's colorado. that's rates move from pre stabilizer, strong arrow to more than say that we, i know there's a tendency to find co thoughts in your community. okay. there's a tendency to find refuge in your community where you can identify with people. i think what we have to do is to report post that. okay, do i find safety, indiana, right? do i find safety intimate coming from euro by coming from people that say yeah, let me just read, you know, just just she wanted see, when humanity comes into the picture, you don't have to worry whether or not you will find safety in the hands of

a how is that person, or you will because kindness is supposed to be a universal think given that you're how is that your about your people? it should not be a problem at all. and i think that from the outside what i don't see us as the sales rep nigerians. and i think that we should carry ourselves in that one accord as one people because the truth is when i see you in school, i don't ask you what, what, what they do come from. oh my, my jerome brother, when i see in america, when i do, when i see and gone out, when i do and uh, hold on, let me give victor chance. he hasn't spoken. okay. yeah, um, well n y, c, think national, you'd save this quote called the 1st time i came to the west illegals and from that states because somebody keeps legos in the come, how do we fit them? yes. house. ok. but because it was like we knew new west, the south thing that's anyway that's from that we don't use those to natalie. how sort of experience um try bodies in industrial and i've seen a good thing. so it was, it was very rare to me because it was supposed to, like you mentioned mangee and bring us to get off what you've been via you have people that being said, ballistics. so you definitely also need to given us

a menu as individuals and to go back and re learn orlando i really interesting. so yeah, what i would like us to take notes of 2 things. now there is a particular time in the meet you were calling to implement, easy, not you probably move, i mean, cruise things like mostly i will this page, the process isn't going to jump, don't wait and it still good. now i don't want us to be totally on watts, for the most part time past, my job uses the 32 model. so let's go so that you split it up national melodies. and that's the way for if i see myself as in my dream, you see of it as we might do now we're up. oh, these people must on the usual side bodies. i don't do, i think so before we, before we move on to far, how exactly does government use tribalism to manipulate the let's start with power and it's such a call. i don't think the government plays a role in this. i think it is us. mix up the government, individuals who mix up the system, we're complaining about individuals. so this people, you, me,

you from one of the city takes one person to change the situation. you get your boss come in by boosting this. you not, you're not the most efficient you can might, of the nation will all be united. if i don't see this guy you are, but i don't see them down people. i don't see how would you mind? what? because with spectrum government is the government. i think we should just stop saying if you suddenly we have failed to mention to other very big institutions that play parts in tribalism. and that's our family and religion and the ink when so vital, using goods on principles into, you know, you go and then from your family, you're moving to school and from school while you're in school, you're also pop over religion like, you know, and i don't want to go to what we agree on. we know that until this all the institutions sick, the issue of try bodies and serials beyond the press around find a way to make sure that it is curtailed. even the government will trying to do guy pointing what time to investigate. now let me tell you, one thing i traveled on then was phone was telling me, oh, where are you from? i said, well, i'm glad you're in always states. i said, plus you boss. oh it be able, i said, i'm most people on this month,

a jude with me, that i am able. i have a try. it is just my know what i have, i tried is actually very insulting to just got like he said, because he's from a black to say this like he's how's that it's still on there. so this thing is, i said, i wish it was also play a good spot. we should learn and know that it was even all see about older. yeah, yeah. even some of you, you'd like to know the ot us 593 i bought from you both the most. it's kind of rough. you don't know. i'm a state i think was you all educate ourselves very well so that we know we took it to that with respect. all right, let me come to to you. so you see, i just, i said something and we just wait for yeah, right now. now she was offended because she's going across the bus, the dentist said she was able it's any crazy, valuable pieces actually does. okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on with it. i'm going to go back, hold on, i'm going somewhere a little bit. i'm a good i, i know i'm going some way you you do you. you got to be upset because you're trying to beat them on the stand that yeah. a lot of times outside 2 major types. right? no, that's is detail, but i don't see the reason why you should be upset because you're going to hold on

. let me see. no, it was all you say your name is i don't? no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. you kinda like like that. no, okay, okay. okay. okay, hold on. before we start throwing hands, let's, let's, let's take a deep breath. make your point. okay. so the thing is you're supposed to be upset. that's what is me speaking do identity, right? i do educate them. okay. i got you cool. let me, let me, let, let me, let me through the question back out to you, because it's, it's similarly to when you travel outside of the continent. and you say united julian and you're introduced to a canyon and you told, well, you all africans, there's something about erasing your identity. and i think that's the point that she was trying to me. let's hear from you victor, is i just want to say that i was, or what is the same to you just said it's, it's not about, you know, findig xbox. you, i didn't, i didn't see that, why you, we are like, my, like my, this is being shipped to, i don't like, i want to be called in for example. why? yeah. not because i'm not because just because as you know for me for the place to

go to in our lives, it's to re label. uh, let me give drill a chance. please let me to cause bucks with the jump issue. like my boat. i pointed out that, um, some that does uh, elected to side land, some people from some ethnic groups, its very politically, if you do got to the whole thing because that is not true. yeah. changes as throughout the data to make sure that you have the presence of social suits. right . and so, so please, because the federal commission has an out that's a shows that everyone is when represented in every government agency and thought i thought so. so yes, that, that's what appears to be, well, that's not what it is. because then deluca, i would say something that i'm going to be to. i applied for a scholarship and i got a phone call. they asked me, what are you from? your name is this, are you apply for them? like yes, yes, but where are you from? and i said by also states officials like okay, thank you. i'm like is that it's and i did not get that scholarship. i looked at

her that didn't want to, you know more people's more of your back to where trying to like really badly. and that was why most, it's so much time if it's not because they want to use it and mix it bottle and see if it costs they want to take you. okay. okay, so while i really, i'm seriously enjoying being susie, as involved this debate, we really need to come to a rough up and talk about some solutions. we'll see how tribalism is affecting us in different ways. how do we still, how do we still, i think, just like everything will be same individually thing. let's all see ourselves as individuals. let's all see ourselves as people. let's see. i feel as few months before we start looking at dr. i'm from here. i'm from day that is the 1st place to start from that i believe dots, spirits of muscle and all these in should be highly off out governments. how's the possible please really just need us to be possible to play as well as the additional need us. okay, in addition to being humane and kind, which is very, very important. we all, i, i will still keep hammering on education. because if you're a well educated need,

you know, like if you have steps and information, you will not be as close to things that i know supposed to be misconstrued. i think we have a lot of work to do in our rural communities. the closest we happen, either the error message needs to be driven down to those levels. okay. fine. you. yeah. so i think is 2 boys down to the government, the government up to really be presenting. what is those 3 present people respect on and follow the spam he did do our present very well. everybody does the same. ok . wherever they talk about, try bodies him on the negative side is actually you come from sophie's interest. let me tell you what the drive is all about. and i do recall there is this particular lot. no, it's not exactly a is actually run into west bus. it's in the north and celebrated in the east. so this is what drives the major. oh, i love. okay, so on that note, i've got to ask you all for a small favor,

because i know you're drawn from different tribes. i want you guys to show a little bit to share with our global audience, something unique about your cultural background. what i don't know, everyone who is that or the for line is regarding that's milk and also the ingredients that used to be paid. it is loved all over the world. what yahoo, a delta and the depth of the body, you will tell people know it is this the tire that's called up, which is a very beautiful that's why it is white. so it picks it up to a piece and you need to. yeah, let me hear about you and it's home to the bed. this is in the country. i mean it's, you can do, it goes up. all right, so the name to god bless the vision, dental we have very diverse beautiful cultures and you have the best where there and names. yeah. alright, so call me the angle of neutral. now j is the very beautiful please. so do not take what you see on social media, please visit nigeria and angela is a very beautiful place. so at the beginning of this debate, i ask a simple question. is it possible for the young generation to,

to use the older generation, how to overcome? try but isn't i think all of you here have shown resoundingly that the answer is a definite. yes. i have never felt so good up to discussing something so tenuous. thank you all for watching the, [000:00:00;00]

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