and the doctor, so in the clouds that it's time to, to us. and then when generations class this week on dw, the, the israel, her boss was moved briefly to an open courtroom with the hague. as the international court of justice hud accusations that, as well had committed genocide, gaza palestinians, welcome to move, including my guest stuff about gucci and the west bank who heads the policy. the national initiative was the one from the court immediately to allow me is to say that there is a mission of genocide and to give as an add on or the stop know, faculty deploy as violence against all civilians. but he was a special condemnation. israel. so how will the ball and how will the hatred of good faith? can garza ever be rebuilt and the better future be salvage the little,

the suffering of destruction? let's talk about the weapons are complex of. thank you, but to be with you. you've said that as well is failing. it's declared items in the cause of war, but jerusalem exists it. how much will be liquidated? and the fighting will go on until that happens. do you seriously doubt israel's ability to achieve that fe? the absolutely. yeah. not on the me. i think the media isn't really that is like, i think got was a number of the what had been a thought saying the same as an in the nothing you know is trying to create an impossible mission by trying to display how much, how much is not just that many thought is structured, it's much this is much bigger than that. and the, i don't think the, this, this is a good that should be the sort. i think that i have, which is to ask,

what can be done in this for the situation. yes, but let's put in a come by my boss is a minute to find a city. a group is classified as a terrorist organization. jeopardy the you, us, do you really think at some point as well, we'll just give up the fight against it. is that i wouldn't have to make these was all the listing is including time us. there is no other way eh, montana and book. your vision is not the solution. thinking of ethnic cleansing as a solution is also impossible. so there is only one way in and the domain knowledge, how much would it be to do to accept the listing. and steve, within that acts of that expected to step solution that's design austin. but to continue with this occupation will not be plenty solution onto piece. i want to get into just what kind of future you envisage for the palestinians

a bit later. but there's been a huge debate around the world about the force of israel's response to what happens on october. the 7th you have of course, condemned that responds. but on send me this, if you will, in a single day, how much must have good hundreds of his race in the west attack of jew since the 2nd world war, women and children of people would murder some or even right to a sexually abused for some of the we're actually in the peace movement is it time that how was there as well supposed to react to that perhaps the next. i agree that uh, i do not accept that. can you go to the engineering, go to the human near to mississippi and all that kind of thing now known as the name. but i don't think that the fact that the csr isn't any of the children would come that the just unacceptable is their job certification. for could in 10001st and in something that is unacceptable. but you are not the, i'm the,

i'm the has to do. you did not start from this event of october. the big question here is how many pundits do you guys have been killed since 1948 and what happened before the 7th of october? so we have time, i can describe that, but i think the message, the other thing is we have receiving that isn't it? does not belong to these does not belong to allow of other students, students and intuition and nothing else felt in the united nations and kind of the model is showing the annexation of smoke on the list. ben, also garza and the cdn. okay. by the heights. nothing, you know is declaring company do not choose the best prime minister to prevent a listing in states. so what is the best solution to plan on violence? is it to continue the environmental guys which has already taken the lives of $29000.00 people? if we include the people on the federal or to find a different monthly winter,

you'll have an ard. so my question, which was, how was israel supposed to respond to what happened on october? the 7th, we can get it to the history we will get into the history. but, but what kind of response would you expect israel to have made? i'm didn't how most expected it would be exactly what happened. exactly what happened. look at how much it, how is it? as responded with bombardment, gets continuously for see leaks using on types of s dikes, the dentist line, 70 percent of all the houses income. you know, according to the most recent, because the points during the 2nd world war, germany has on the 10 percent of the homes and does that in germany dislike unit on 2nd. what is it? i'm not, does not do anything the proportion of the different thoughts out of this,

the button that says what, what would have been proportion, but what would it be that point of view? now what would be proportional just to say to the world enough is enough with this setup of violence. we don't want this to continue and there's the end of the patient. so i'm going to conduct the thought and i know that you can kind of the patient if you concentrate on the symptom of that event, the causal disease. do you think you're not seeing that? how boss is a, was, as i said earlier, to provoke israel and to doing exactly what it did provoke, must've been that tree retaliation and then condemn israel for it. no, i don't think so. i don't think i must expect to have this kind of an edge. i don't think so. maybe if they knew what, what was what going to happen? maybe they would have to revise the plans. i don't know, i'm up in the mines, but i know that we've been living so 75 for you as a function of the displacement of this nick, lindsey, which effect of 70 percent of the cdn people i know about 70 percent of the

population of guys that have builds if you use this list by is that in the 1948, i don't know what that goes. it has to be on the siege for 17 years with no electricity, no water, no running water. no, no, no economy and 2 percent of the people, what i do kid live unemployed and 70 percent were on the positive. what. what did that lead to? i know that's kind of sticking on, signed an agreement. i piece. i agree mental it is or what they accept it a very painful compromise. a state of 22 percent of the, of the historic palestine. all the united nations said we shouldn't have 44 percent . i'm still isn't and wouldn't accept. i know that nathaniel was needing this 1 may have that right mention. wait, wait, wait a minute. in december 2000 president clinton, who had excuse me, israel and who would back overdue. a state on 95 percent of the

west bank, a 100 percent of the gaza strip with land swaps to compensate for the sacraments controller that are barriers of east jerusalem divided sovereignty over the holy sides. provision for the return of many palestinian refugees to the new state. it was even by the reckoning of palestinian company. the data is the best deal that you what ever offered of yasser arafat turned it down. so you can blame the lots of things, but you have also missed opportunities along the way. this was the largest opportunity that you did miss watson, that you sent them. this is the, it was showing what you haven't got. this could, i know it's a global narrative, actually. i know it's not uh because what meds, uh the negotiations and then is that is that it was not accept listing and stuff that i need to over is to have some that was the main close. why that these

negotiations fins and did not accept by this to me, i'm going to don't over the waters in the joint on friday. and they did not accept exactly that they would withdraw. that's how much time though, to bite the sign was the one inside the another. there is another side of that and you had a better deal services have you had a better off? no, no, that's no problem. because my, my question is, why is it an up to now does not say to the world. and because you have money, i have to buy the studios. what are they about? this is the only company in the world which refuses to identify. it's bought this. nothing, you know as say, i mean we find most likely him until destroyed, so slugged him. nathaniel, the man made it the mission of his life to can also until the potential for it to fit solution. okay. well the that, that, that is, that is your narrative. that is the public speaking of narrative, you just because you accuse me of pushing israel's narrative,

but that's yours. i want to ask you how important to you is the judge of genocide against israel brought by south africa at the international court of justice. do you do respect that court? absolutely, and i do think that south africa is clinic about getting the skis and it does not go into the south africa that we have to the quotes, throws out the south african accusation of genocide. will you accept that or accuse the court of bias? we will not have to learn it by deals by us. you will continue to that are going to make the world understand what's happening. but if you allow me, when 29000 people goes by, this thing is i can mostly civilians. and when $10000.00 to the different outcome in less than 3 months, i'm doing 75 percent of the of the horses are destroyed and all you invested does are destroyed and most trusted because i've destroyed. and the of my music stopped

us now since i'm having a fishing us out of them by just by is that i have, i'm a good many of them. and 104, i'm dealing with this like this is general side. and when, when i send you out and money out of that is that it really does declare in the very beginning of the war that's on palestinians must be evicted. but i'm going to sign on that there's an intention not on the conductive mckinsey, but to conduct general side bible involved in the civilian population. israel has rejected the judge on many occasions, and we'll have to wait that several years for the court to give a final decision that may be interesting provisions that there's announces, but it could take a long time. we've got the court then what do you want from the court immediately if you allow me is to saying that there is a suspicion of,

of genocide. i'm to give it as an add on or death to stop the door. or do you will slow resent the quotes if it doesn't do that? no, no, no, we just step the we, we haven't been appealing to the less than the criminal court for the mount vista bug. what do you, what kind of society, you talked about all the horrors that have been going on and gaza, the destruction, the death, the injuries, the lack of basic supplies, what, what kind of society can emerge from this war? after all, the physical and psychological damage, especially to children, i can literally have such a 100 even amount of damage and destruction we have to is one is to make it that isn't full of events. or another way is to make a tunnel percent. i believe in making it i know, but strongly you had in mind. it was just an idea to invest a comfortable lot,

but deepens the bill to us. and we kind of a bill over the country. but we cannot do the business over the country when we are okay. bye bye. as and in my opinion, the hood was, must see us as equal human beings with as it is when the, when the boy was, sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you when the war ends. you want to see palestinian elections . you set the current crisis, you wrote to show the need for palestinians to have a unified leadership and unified into the national unity government. the majority of power standing forces groups agree with this vision. really, they've never been able to agree on anything like it in the past that allowed unity between rival sections, how many promises were made about elections and then broke. how many publishers about published in unity decade after decade idea of the never happened? was it going to happen now? because we've never been in such

a difficult situation as we are to the i'm any responsible 1st duty and politician must accept that unity is the only out of this mess. you know me, i've been, i've looked at, i'll say the constitution between 500 and how much i even redid them between them. and i was, the person who managed to convince them was creating a nation that even if the government in 2007, if that government stayed on, if the board cut it, we would have been now in a different situation. we went fed that in 2021. we were just about to have the democratic connections for the 1st time since 2006 unfortunately. is there any evidence of stucco to prevent the elections? they did not allow elections, enjoy those. and then the stigma and also if you use that as an excuse to cancel the elections, which was a big mistake, how do we have elections in 2021, not think about the in front of started with i've got an absolute majority. we

would have had to have a democratic coalition and then a government control in both west bank and gaza and then on to not just have to have independence, identical commission. you say this without going to, but the you've never showed in the past any of the authority in particular was never sure of much of the way of democratic credentials have. if you look at the flagrant human rights abuses committed by security services, the torture they abuse the top down of free speech. they and that's the way the interruption level is rails fault. yes, this was not part of the know the wrong. they made them to not, not, it's not isn't as full alone, but it does. lot of really isn't and it falls because because of that and once the student or somebody to be on the security code on them, then it's, it's in the united states font in particular that if used to allow us to have democratic pre elections. okay. let's talk about the united states for

a moment because that view seems to be that any agreement must contain what they call a political horizon for the palestinians and ultimately a palestinian state. do you trust america to insist on that? again, it hasn't been part of the thinking for a very long time, has it. unfortunately, the states of america has lost them me an opportunity to be a total media, and that's gonna be the kind of between us and visitor and, and that's why i don't think they can live. that's why they are supporting this optimal city against us. and why they are about to see people in the themselves by sending americans on the part of the zip and it's on dominican advisors and, and planes. it's expensive to plant. i don't know if i'm indeed do you have to be in boshamp in this case, the united states cannot be in boston because it is becoming a total and complete strategic support. federal is are, and it's an addition, i guess the constitution people just about 13 by you don't have

a choice here. you don't have a choice of whatever you think of the by the administration. a victory by donald trump in november wouldn't exactly it, hans, the palestinian position would. so you're going to need to work with by now, whether you like it or not to the palestinian groups on the stop that we live. others used to work with by didn't, it's listed by then who upstairs from doing and fulfilled his duty during the 3 years before the war started, when he continued to say that the post test solution is what we need. but it's not time for that. and wednesday night, the states of america did nothing to for us, is that i have to start building 7 months, which is a united states of america mex. it's the man office to can pull it up, was the ability to state solution. so it's not our problem, it's not a problem, but let me tell you what, what, what happened with that, and guess a union these days is very dangerous for the whole one. why? because the team isn't on the united states,

out of 10 in the world that we don't have international law anymore. and that's what is done by those of younger, you know, what that would mean to other countries in this world. it would mean if you have the problem, you can do whatever you want. well, at the very end. okay. can you just look at that closer, closer to her with you, you reject violence against civilians you've made that perfectly clear. but if the gentleman by him, i'm not who i've been advocating environments all my life. i understand. but opinion polls in the west bank and gaza show growing approval for violence. what's cool down resistance, just 2 months into the war. 60 percent of palestinians said they'd back a violent struggle up 10 percent from before the conflict on palestinians tired of fighting, they really want more. i assume you have supported the resistance. it's through and

then be that many type of resistance of this time is a big majority of the think that many times it is this does is more effective mainly because isn't and can the other way, which is the sony go see issues then what is missed that i best and his government, but i didn't go through yet. what is there any sort of head to use signing that also the theme in making us compromises and then get the nothing but human emotion . and as it is violation even of the stigma and also to has depriving good from emil sorted to whatsoever inventing all the policies and citizen, those back include the we've talking about the about guys about also about the west bank, you know, and the west bank, the army has, could probably be more than $540.00 people since the beginning of last year. and it goes on and set the packing gusts on said lot about receiving work on sundays,

early government. so that's what, i'm, how much does the government be? yes, but the from the other side, whatever israel did, her mouse was committed to its destruction. wasn't that the august 1998 governor made that clear. there's no solution that set for the palestinian question except through jihad initiatives. proposals and international conferences are a waste of time. factors from us never wanted to tool. it only wanted the fights and by all accounts, it still does is not the truth. not exactly because yes, little with such statements before, but i know exactly how from asked states because i met with them and all that mushy issues we had. i even managed to convince them was non violence of the systems for more than 5 youths during which time was that it was peaceful demonstrations. i'm doing that back. there's supposed to be by there. is there any side? yes, i tell you what they can accept. what was included in the national unity program of

our national unity government and 2007, and it was clear, i found a simian state on 1967, but that's including these drawers and then i ended up location of that. do you want? i'm just letting you sion, of all that i took to the den, followed by the student, obviously, which is a very, to the bottom of the see if they got it. of course, of course, it's not the 2017. they said there shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the zionist entity. so again, nothing to discuss the thought lift meant to do what mr. this must have said. who is the finance minister in these through a new concept. he's not in the government. that's in the minnesota and the government. he said he called him says he wasn't shy. lambert, i'm calling from central refreshes on the floor. and he said that we, he said that as from the, from the bank would settlements on this. so that kind of deals with lose any of the staples that on and then they wouldn't have one else. any options either to leave,

which is there from the glazing, auto accept a life of subjugation police. that is, which is i thought i ought die, which is which is genocide. this is the minute the all fine the i'm, what you said wasn't able to get that by the time you know, i, on, you could sit down and look for the position that was expressed as it's hopeless. i hope in a different way. i see the reason of the people on both sides who could try to get that to find a way out of the situation. but to accept, i may have a principle which has application of international which day is occupation must end as an entity point to piece between both people. how like, somebody isn't got, how likely is a day of that's very like you're a low voice and the very big will that this onto stability. well i, i just want, i, you know, i've had this question many times,

but i respond to that by asking the question, who, who have never thought the gentleman's unfinished people with confidence in such a way. and they will be in union after having so many words. i think we have the promise, daniels, lives, jewish people are very much alike. we could build a field trip together to gather the van to continue to fight each other. and each of you, you, you wrote, you wrote in may last year that a great number of palestinians believe the only solution left is a single democratic state on the whole of what you quoted started palestine without occupation, a positive or discrimination. in other words, a one state solution where all citizens have equal rights of equal duties. what are the makes you think that something like that is even remotely possible? because in that situation, like we have to do on the lines of historic, by this time we have about 7000000 jewish people,

about 7000000 people living on the same land. one site is powerful. the other side, these we, why decided these, i know to buy or the other side, this will to fight what the solution. one of the reasons, the 1st one is to state solution, which is the problem. the 2nd solution is one of the democratic state. where do we kind of live together equally and, or exist peacefully? the only have the option because if mcclintic or 1st thing, that's exactly what nothing you know on smart, but it's out of things to do. and that's what they try to do in government, but that's what i'm up to work. so that's why we have one or 2 options. i have the one of the book graphics, the why not. and as one of my best friends, daniel button boom, the user should talk to me once. sometimes then bust him is easy of the difficult. and that's why i will never stop believing that one democratic states could be both

of them. i know it looks now impossible with all these feelings of revenge of vengeance, etc. but my view with you as a leader is somebody who hope to be, but other than be picking up the best very briefly because we're running out of time just literally what, what if you count 5 the don't find the solution that you're looking for is october the 7th is going to happen again, and i hope not. i don't think violence is the solution to any other violence. i think that the action items, it isn't of the people on smart have to be, but look, always look for another type of dispatch. and that's what i would continue to 2nd floor. so that's i would have people eventually we'd be free. a lot of people would be accepted as equals human beings. and we would have all the lights on top of which should be freedom on different stuff in faculty. thanks very much for being a complex. so thank you. thank you. the

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