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atkinson, as boone about the stories beyond the headlines world in progress. d w i. this is george lucas, and welcome to hollywood. luckiest directors. his 1st film was text $1130.00 i produced by francis ford coppola, next up american graffiti which to date has crushed over $140000000.00. then came star wars, the pop culture satisfaction, that changed everything and spoke to french eyes are what do you see from school? i didn't know anything about making movies. i was an anthropology major and i went there and my junior year and was interested in photography. i was interested in
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going to art school and my father wouldn't have anything to do with it. so i figured there was to be some photography in the school, a set of photography. that's what it was for summer. and i didn't even realize you could go to school or how to make movies. and i haven't really paid much attention to movies and you know, i didn't, didn't have television till i was like 10 or 11 years old. and by that time i was sort of getting interested in cars and things. so it's, you know, it wasn't something i thought about. but once i got there, and i saw what it was and i got exposed to the movies, i got suppose the process, i realized very quickly that i knew how to do this. and i knew how to do it well. and i loved it. so within a semester, if you have a few months, i was a fight made an award winning movie and i was on my way it was something you look at all the student films and whatever, but it was doing. and what i wanted to do, and i would make a film, and you know, i didn't obviously know that i was that good when i started. but i said literally,
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within a couple months i'd made a film that one doesn't international film festivals and everybody else. and this was the beginning class. i said, i know how to do this. this is easy. then the next semester i did a couple of more movies. one was uh, beginning project on somebody trying to escape east germany was about freedom. another one was a little told in palm, i was very much into alternative film making that came from san francisco. i was very much into the canyon settlement move and that is what i did do. i didn't really like movies and television, but i did come up to san francisco and hang out in kind of the clubs and, and go to canyon sort of a films and they were very experimental, very advanced kind of phone problems, you call them but sometimes very emotional interesting, i brought you here. now what i left became an editor, became a cameraman. worked for a while. was unhappy,
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decided to go back to school and see if i could get a masters degree in cinema so that i could also direct movies. so i went back, that'd be further before i did that, i got a chance to go back to school and teach a class as a teaching assistant in photography. this is, i did that with us navy and in the process of back class, i made a phone call to checks and that again, all the films, one of wars with that one like huge number of rewards. and then after that, i went to school, made a couple other movies for a semester, and then what a lot of scholarships based on the films, based on everything. one to work with carl foreman on a phone call. because his goal at columbia studio is another one to work with. francis copeland at warner brothers studio and film contains rainbow. at that point i had no interest at all in doing theatrical films. i was not interested at all. i wanted to be a documentary filmmaker, that's what i wanted to do. that's how it's working. i like to be. i like editing. i like photography. and i wanted to work as an editor and photographer and to send
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over to documentaries, which was the new thing at that point. and then at the same time, on the side do these little archie kind of told him home a non linear, non character driven non story driven films. that was my passion. but i wanted these scholarships and i said, well, i should see what this whole thing is all about. i might as well just, it's an opportunity mindful ticket. so i did, and out of that i became francisco pals assistant and from that i worked with him on the rain people. we came back to san francisco which is where i wanted to live cuz that's where i'm from. and we started a phone company up here and managed francis managed to get a deal to make a feature version of the checks and i figured well, so crazy archie told him home thing, but the industry isn't suff trimball. now i think i might have
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a chance to actually make it and i did, i managed to get the film and they didn't see it or read the script or anything i'm and i thought they hated it. but up to that point, i managed to actually get the movie made. the, the original idea was done by a friend of mine warmer in front of his mat robins who are doing their we're going to their senior workshop and they came up with the idea of a man trying to escape a futuristic city which was about all it was and i, and then they decided not to do it for the senior workshop so that i had a chance to, to teach this class. and i was say, gosh, i got, i'm going to come up with a movie cuz i split the class on half one part of the class made a movie and then the other part maple with me. and i was talking and are good friends of mine, and i said, i'm going to do a film and they said, well, we got this thing. and what about the guy trucks in the city? and he turned around and he can't get out. i don't think was even on the ground that they were just a guy trapped in
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a futuristic city. and i like that idea. so i said, okay, checklist basically a not a futuristic. no. it is about the what it was sort of a, a, a parable. but the way we're living today the the american cd again, started was for instance, thing to me to accommodate, you know, if you're, if you're going to go stay on the movie business. and so i said, well okay, i can, i can do a comedy or know how to do that. i've never done that before. and it was, but i said, you know, i'd always wanted to do a film about cruising, which is what the way i grew up. but i didn't with us though. that's why i didn't when i was in high school. and again, when i taught cancer apology, i realize the meeting rituals in the united states were extremely unique. because
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the same kind of ritual that goes on in mid most countries where the boys either sit on the benches and watch the girls parade around with the girls that on a bunch of the ones the boys played around um and that's the way they met in the united states that they all did it in cars which you know, in the fifty's and sixty's was unheard of in the rest of. well, no teenager couldn't afford a car as well. the very unique kind of thing. so i took that and said, you know, it'd be nice to document this particular thing, this particular ritual that existed really from the 30s up until us seventy's. and so that was the impetus of it. and i loved the music and i love, you know, i loved radio, i love destructors and i, that's how i really came to the store. got it. and. and, and, and mom,
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right. the thing about the 1st film, which was always episode for a new hope in order to write the ex extra. i wanted to start in the middle, which i liked to do. i had to write a backstory. i didn't say we're all these people came from. what was the rebellion? what was the empire where the empire came from? who are the jet? i went to the jet. i do. who is darth vader, where did he come from? you know, that's all the story. but that was all back story. find it right, all that in order just to get to writing the overland script. but i never intended that to be part of a movie. i always intended that just to be how i got there. but then when i had to do this, the film in 3 pieces, it kind of just a dissolved or dissipated. the impact of darth vader is the tragedy of darth vader . people in see because he was such a powerful figure. and so i kept thinking, gee,
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is too bad people to get. and you'll see the irony of this whole thing that i thought it was there. but then when you spread it out, it kind of displays the point where it's not there. so i said um, and the other part is i wrote the back story. the star wars itself was written very, very carefully around the technology i had did, i could make the movie. i knew i would pick like one technological break does that i had to get overcome in order to, in the case of the 1st, to make it cinematic make it move. be able to pam a spaceships to be able to create a, a fast paced editorial space bottle. but i had to figure out how to do that. but coming from animation, i had some ideas and i thought, i think i can overcome this. but the story was written very carefully of how i was going to accomplish it, financially and technologically. and i each one of those was done that way. back story. i didn't think about that back, but it was written like piece of literature. you know,
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just blue sky dreaming well and then they go to curse on. there's a 100000 spaceships and then there's, you know, all kinds of in, in the clone wars and the thing and the battle and, but i couldn't make that into a movie. and then forget it, like, you know, i can barely get star wars which it really takes place. and like 3 rooms, i mean, doesn't seem like it, but that's basically what it is. and it's funny and think about. but then in the process of doing far with advanced technology, i had started the special effects company and i sort of kept pushing the special effects company. they created more and more technology. i had started with star wars to use some computers. we started to continue to use of computers. i started a computer company, helped develop the technology to make films. and then we did things like those, you know, young sherlock holmes, which had a digital character. and then we did the terminator movies and you had digital characters in pretty well. and then finally, we did drastic park which had which was really a huge breakthrough for industrial light and magic. and we really were making
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a very realistic characters, digitally. and once we accomplish that, i said, hey, if i wanted to go back now and make that back story, it's actually possible because before it was just not even think about, you know, i could probably do this now. so then i started thinking about it and eventually came back. i had the what i after the return of the jet i, i just gotten divorced. i had a one year old daughter that i had adopted. and i said, i'm really going to retire now. and it was a point in my career, i could have really taken over the world because i was at the top of the direct oral heap. i could do anything i wanted. i had kind of, you know, that i had that moment in time. and i just said, look, i'm more excited about raising my daughter than i am about making another movie. so i took 15 years off, adopted to other kids, raised them. and then when i said ok, now they're old enough to where i can go back to maybe making drinking moves again,
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which was obviously my 1st level what i wanted to do so uh that's what i said. well, i can go back and finish the star wars story. now that action of technically i can do it until the tragedy of darth vader or i can go and make these are 2 films that i want to make. and i thought long and hard about and went back and forth and finally said, you know, if i don't do the star wars thing, i'll never get to do it. this is the moment time i put it off 2 or 3 years, it will be too late. so i just won't be able to do it because this is a 10 year commitment. and so, you know, i'm like, 50 years old, i said, and you know, if i wait until i'm 55 and i won't be done. i'm 65 and you start worried about things like that because i don't care, i'll finish star wars and might as well do it and get or so i think i always want to have done it. so i did that. and that's really how the other 3 star wars came to be. the murphy is the kind of documentary film, again, is trying to shoot
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a particular event. the particular kind of ritual re recreate it, but it was shot i shot with 2 cameras. i shot was available, like i shot it very much as if i were shooting a documentary and i staged it like a document or i put the camera's way off and let the actors play their parts. and so it was, i thought of it as a documentary of a particular kind of event has been recreated. the casting on on american city was a lot of work. i spent 6 months seeing actors every day, 8 hours a day. i see them for about 5 minutes and they were all kids. you know, i didn't have any that didn't have some of the work before, but most of them had. and so i had to make a quick judgment whether that was right for the part enough of the part. and then i take various steve possibilities and various lori possibilities and i mix them all up and let them play against each other. because my feeling was it was an ensemble
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piece, and i really need to see how the actors inter, related with each other, how they reacted to each other, how they fit together, how they play, that seems to go. so it took a very long time. it was a lot of work and you know, came up with the cast that i thought was fantastic and later turned out to be fantastic. $172.00 and started out with the darth vader coming in and killing everybody. and then halfway through the movie, a song realizes that he's the he wrote, but it's the villain as his father of that the end he'd redeem his father. that was the movie. well, it got so big that i couldn't do it. so i took the 1st act, and when i took the 1st act, i promised myself i would finish the other 2 parts of the movie that no matter what about how much this one failed, i would get that done. and that was my mission. so everything was geared for far worse to fail, and we have to fight to get this done. as a turnout is succeeded though, i didn't get the other ones done very rather easily. the
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shot, the movie in $28.00 days or nights we shot only at night. i think there was one day that we shot during the day and it was really hard because we had we couldn't start until 9 o'clock at night. and we, and it was in july and the 5 o'clock the sun came up. so it's not like a movie where you're working during the day. and as it gets late or later at night, you can sort of save a lot of your close ups. and then put some lights in to fix the day. when is the other way around? you can put up a, a curtain and stuff, but you're basically stuck because everything in the background, every year. you can't make it go dark, a scale. you can make it go light by phone. if it lights out there, but you can't make it go dark. so it was very, very difficult. and i finished the film. it was very difficult for them to cut
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because there was, you know, i was in or cutting 4 stories and trying to make that work. and i actually ended up cutting an hour and the movie out to the movie itself, not to 2 and a half hours when i 1st did it in, you know, when last that long i knew, so i had to somehow, but every time i took a piece of it meant all the other pieces had to be taken out to in order to match everything up. so it's very complicated. but in the end it was also uh, one of the 1st boost ever use. uh uh, just uh, music from the radio. and ever so you can't do that, you know, it's in, but i did it anyway and, and now all movies are done that when the going to a checks francis couple of was a producer. we were good friends. he was supposed to be over seeing the picture he did oversee the picture by letting me do whatever i wanted. the studio saw the picture in the, in the desert this, it was terrible. you know,
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what are we gonna do about this? and they were mad at francis and they shut down americans. oh true. they made him pay all the costs of everything back. then when i got to do america graffiti, and they let him be a producer because now it was a hot director because he done. god, father. he pretty much did the same thing when we were in san francisco is a very, very cheap, low budget movie in the studio. didn't want to bother to come up here to check on it. they didn't see it until it was finished. and they saw mary graffiti was finished, we showed it to, you know, a bunch of people who got sued more constant stuff just to test it. and they just went dessert. they loved the studios that we hated. it's terrible. you can show it to an audience. and they were going to put it out of the tv movie for a long time. and then, and they wanted me to cut it, which was the 1st 2 checks they wanted me to cut. so we argued back and forth and this i'm not gonna touch it. and so that came down to they took out 5 minutes, which made no difference whatsoever. and it just seems like them are very after.
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star wars wasn't dry and hit and went back to warner. brothers and said, i wanna put that 5 minutes back into it before you release it on the h. s. and i got it changed back to the way it was and i do the same thing. the universal was american fitness. i don't want my 5 minutes back. and after the star wars they let me do it. when i was in junior college, i was a social science major, basically an anthropology major. and i took a lot of anthropology classes, and one of them was on mythology. and i became fascinated with the default lunch, but it was very interested in anthropology. why do we do the things that we do? how does this lady construct herself? when i got to the time of america or cd, i was developing that script. but at the same time i was thinking about other ideas . and one of them was to do a republic, serial an action adventure film. and i was kind of amused, as i was what i have a habit of doing was a lot of writers have a habit doing is what you're supposed to be running on one step. you end up
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thinking about another script or somebody you don't know when to be great. if instead of doing what you're supposed to be doing. so that was my, what if my sort of affordance project, which was a saturday night and a serial project, which i come up with doing either a space film, a little flash gordon style, buck rogers sort of thing for a action adventure film in period, which was like bowman's was a navy or competitors lock and there's a whole genre there probably goes to john or is that was playing with. and when i went to united artist to say, i want to do this movie and really they said, okay, we'll give you the 10 grand to write the script. do you have any other movies which is about studios? do they want to hook you up for the rest of your life if you go there? so i said, well, you know, i got this idea for a kind of a, maybe a space, a venture, cuz i sort of picked that one out of the 2. that i wanted to do and they said okay,
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we'll make a deal for that too. so i have to picture deal when i got the deal from or cd. but of course when i took american city to them, they said no, we don't want that. and so married then i finished american graffiti and then before it came out again, it was sitting follow at the studio. nobody wanted everything to is it never to her? it was terrible. i said, well, i want to star wars now. he said, no, no, no, we don't wanna do that now. i said, okay, so then i had to take it to universal because they have the next, the fault pictures i had, and i told them because they hated me. at that point, i said, i want to start washington said, no, we don't want to do that. but fortunately, i don't that junior 20 century fox had seen american city and one of the screens. and he said, you got a picture. i think you're really talented guy. do you have something you want to do? is that while i'm in trying to shop around this little science fiction, it's more of a space fantasy kind of thing. soap opera. and they said aerospace oper. and he said, okay, well,
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i'll do it. so that's how i got that deal and explain the story to them and say, look, i don't understand what you're talking about. but i think you're telling a guy and i'll do it. the o art is based on technology. that's the whole point of art. it's just something that manders, which is it just the same as if you're drawing a cave paintings of panel. and you're doing some black charcoal. and suddenly somebody gives you some orange circle. somebody, a black and orange struggle and it just completely doubles your ability to tell stories. all artist bang up against that technology and when you do, it's extremely frustrating fantasy science fiction. these are literary works. these are things that you depend on people's imagination to conjure up dream like other
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worldly existences. the problem with sentiment is you have to make that real for a moment in time. my kind of like fantasy films. after i did start words, this was great and but i was constantly banging up against the technological ceiling and it was frustrating because of a lot of great movies and things that could be done. and. and at that point, the movie industry was trapped in this world. of, of basically contemporary movies. you can do contemporary movies, you couldn't do period pieces because that there wasn't enough in the audience there to do it. so we started breaking through using digital technology to see that we could do digital backgrounds that we could do digital characters. and then eventually when we got the fan of minutes that i could actually get the digital characters to act. which is a big leap of those things. well, it was that it was really a dinosaur and drug or banks. and once you did that, then i wasn't stuck with these funny masks, which is, you know, animal tronic figures which were not, we were advancing them because we'd also taken the leap with yoga and created the 1st animal tronic character that could actually be lifeline. but it was limited,
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you know, i couldn't get him to run around or anything. it was basically a puppet. otherwise you have to put a guy in a suit and it's very limited. but once you get to the digital level, being able to create a current, you can do anything in go anywhere, do anything. it's fantastic. and some of the whole world of, of new characters, of fantasy films, period pictures where you needed a 1000 troops marching over the hill. all kinds of things were totally opened up that you couldn't touch 10 years earlier. and so that was exciting and we thought progress, you know, every 6 months or so we come up with a new step. we go to the next step and we try another thing. and uh, during that period i was producing some films like well over pushing the envelope i would just, you know, say why don't we try this and see if we can get this to work. so a lot of it was experimental, but it was fun because i knew that i was freeing up the medium. so you could sort of think of all kinds of projects and all kinds of ideas and,
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and be open to big epic projects that were going to cost a huge amount of money that you could actually, you know, tell those stories the, it's hard because there's so many great, fantastic movies. you know, when i was in film school, my favorite movies were things like hard days night. talk to strange, love is 7 samurai and breathless. and you know, if you said today, i would know what to say is that was when i 1st got in the movies and my range was very small. i only knew a few 1000 movies, but now i knew 800000 books. and i would say at least $10000.00 more. fantastic. and i want to take more the i still love to tell stories. i still love sentiment.
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i still love to work in the medium and try to tell stories using the moving image rather than just words. and experiment to figure out how to do that and how to manipulate the images to do what i want them to do. because it's a very fascinating story telling medium that basically has not been exploited yet. i mean, 1st 100 years of cinema's. very crude and not very interesting as far as i'm concerned a what's gonna happen a 100 years now is what's going to really be amazing. the
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