to mr. president, thank you very much for your time. thank you so much. and i will put that question to the next panel. great ladies and gentlemen, don't use the life coverage of the munich security conference that we just heard to the ukraine and president below the mr. lensky. they're being interviewed by christiane amanpour before that he also gave his address. joining me the studio is dw political chief, political correspondent, nina has the nina i of, i remember 2 years ago. so lensky was at the munich security conference for the last time. that was just a few days before the russian invasion began back. then he was still wearing a suit. now, this is a very, very different time, a very different world. and so lensky seemed also much clearer in painting the picture of a ruthless monster calling put in a sob. and what i found very interesting in, in his whole speech, when he said,

let's not see a pretence destruction implying that some of those allies of the free will withdraw the c a compromise, then ending the war by actually or defeating, posted. what was your sense that i had exactly are you training president also said stopped asking him crane when the will will and start asking proof and oh, you ask yourselves why is present still able to continue this war? and he was really hammering home this message that the entire international order is i'd state and this is not about helping a small country defend itself against the nebraska or the bilateral conflict. and of course, this is something where people, uh, sometimes guessing that impression is it may be true that ukraine's dollars to date . and so he was trying to, and he said it's a miss, you know,

all of these explanations and coming out to rush for why that doing what they're doing and ukraine and, and what the message was was essentially we need to pull together and we can, we can still win this one. now he also spoke at the, to the munich security conference last year via video link. it did sound a bit more optimistic last year and he was saying, you know, to all his partners do send his weapons, sent them foster. this time around t essentially as to say, send them a tool. we, we have these big us a package with 56000000000 euros that's being held up in congress. so both the crazy president and the german song, so say very much to western allies, keep it up, you know, he can't win if he doesn't have the support from his fondness of what to what, what also sort of came through the, what we said earlier in the not of to le schultz has addressed this seems to be

a kind of consensus everywhere that. yeah, so eh, ukraine is going to be the bulwark to defend us in the free world from russia and to the aggressive there. and this goes on for years and years. i mean even in we meant a change between so landscape and, and determine the yesterday is a 10 year security agreement. so as you mentioned the pull ukrainians, they say okay, so we have support, but it's still us having to do the work that exactly is this is something that the people call a buff. uh, you know, this is not working, not strategy. which is why some people in ukraine, hopefully zeroes and we need concrete decisions. we need a concrete invitation by needs. so the landscape was very capital and courses. he knows how to, how to essentially tool to those leaders. and he understands that they're also at home that run the political pressure as well. so nathan members,

a very clear once the war is over, ukraine can become a member state that preparing the ukranian army. they giving them western style weapons. so they're trying to help ukraine build up a resilient armies. i've can then have this interoperability with western nations. so this is not the question of if it is the question of when a nature countries a very clear, we cannot let you crane become a member. why there's water is going on, because that would mean that we would be as well with russia, nobody ones what will 3? and we cannot do that. but of course, you know, these long, these long time security agreements that he now signed with them and funds, they do put all of that in writing that these countries have decided to stand by ukraine's side. now is that helping out at the, on the front lines now it's known, which is why is that landscape? he's very polite, but he again repeated that cool. a full long range missiles. he says he needs them

and of course he means the taurus may solve from germany, that has a range of more than 500 kilometers. which is the reason why gemini so hesitant to give it to your crime because they say we cannot root, they don't say that publicly, but that is the reason is that between the lines. so you definitely hear that. absolutely. it might reach russian territory and we cannot have a german lesson system land in moscow because we're talking about weapons and also nato, the secretary general of nato, against stalls moved back to this the from attending a panel. now, the munich security conference, and we listen to that now. okay. so i guess i have to ask you 1st, you know, what, may i just, 1st off, all of you? you heard a very, you know, you heard presidents lensky, talk about the death of alexi and of all me. and how this has been a warning or assigned to all of you sitting here as this

a very important conference opened. can i just get you to, can i just get you sent it to comment on the desk of nevada? and what signal do you think russia is sending the world? well, 1st of all, our thoughts and prayers go out to the family on, on this trip. and it just re emphasizes that, that are important to decatur, that decatur is, don't know, any rules. and that is why it's important that we remember that nato is here to protect our collective security against the dictators like vitamin. and just before i go to the prime minister, does it sharpen you intend to do more to support ukraine as president zalinski said, you know, isn't of only one day's ukraine and the rest of europe the next day. well, i think push evasion of ukraine demonstrated what his intentions are. i don't know that this change is our perception of food and we want news or bad guy. and so it just reinforces what we already know. i'll get back to the, the, you know,

the bill to 8 in a moment. i'm prime minister kid us. you are literally on the front line. you are being very strong in, you know, needing to maintain a credible defense and to tyrants. what is your reaction to the death of development and what it might mean in a big away? well, it shows the proteins, flavors hasn't changed. i mean, this is the way operates and this is the dictates is anthony in real life. so we, we should feel aware of this and like a present the landscape says let's not, this goes to do something. we have to do everything to stop him because history, right? so we have seen this already in 90 thirty's, the same thing. i mean american iceland, nation with me on the one side the, you know, there's not stuffing the aggressor when, when we have the chance to stop him and then seeing the aggression spread all over the world. let's do the right thing. let's learn something from the history and

just the frame is a little differently for you. secretary general, nato has said and actually key defense ministers from the front line countries. i've said that see your concern for the 1st time. this wasn't the case last year that within 3 to 5 years, even put in could test the result of a nato country. we're gonna have to take a piece for granted, but i think it is important to them that we don't see in the immune. i'm fed against and they, and they, to, a lot of the world has become more dangerous, but nato has to become stronger. and the purpose of night, though, is to prevent tura is to ensure that there is no room for the most go, for in the miscalculation about naples readiness under souls to protect the law. and to make you care, that's an attack on will not all will trigger to respond several little lines. and as long as we convey that message, claim into must go, no allied will be a card. so in order to enter means

a credible on the therefore we don't see any media tied up against the internet online. it just, i mean, our focus should not drift from helping ukraine militarily, because we don't have to talk about any nato country that if we stop putting in ukraine, and that's why we should concentrate our efforts that he stop there. okay, so what is it going to take? you've heard presidency lensky layout. what she needs will get back to the nature of tracking the 2nd. but it just in terms of anti defense is artillery. long range, all the stuff that they need. i mean, they don't have the, the way with all to control the skies or to stop, you know, the, the, the bonus from, from russia. but send it to rick it. this is now, depending on the united states, europe is done, is that when everybody said we're not going to, you know, past this bill, you're stepped up $50000000000.00 worth of other material to ukraine. when is the

united states going to do what the united states pledge to do at the beginning of this war? that is, defend democracy, make sure tutoring in dictatorship doesn't with is that? well, 1st of all, i'm going to respectfully disagree with you. you're still need to do more, right? so as of last summer or 11 of the nato allies, a reason to, to present gdp spinning. so that still needs be done. and i certainly applied what germany is doing to get there. hopefully this year, right, to get to that 2 percent. but there are still many in europe and allies get that done this with regard to united states. so we're democracies, democracies messing and it takes time and process to get there. every country has their own thing. so for example, there's mentioned and you know, the europeans haven't got to the 2 percent yet. so, but that's problem because of the internal politics to each of those different countries, right? so it takes time to bring democracy is along the same thing is going to happen the united states. we will get there with regard to making the investments in our

defense, industrial base to supply the weapons to ukraine. but it's going to take time to get there. there may be different paths to get there. i'm reminded of winston churchill as quote, americans would do the right thing. after exhausting all other possibilities. so i do think we will get there. it's just democracy's take time to process. so the 2 points i'd like to follow up on is there enough time for this? as you say, a messy democratic process. and then i'd be interested to hear from, from, from the, to your opinions here. what send it to angus king told me the other day on my program that actually the united states is 15 in terms of, of defense spending for it's g d, p, and other european countries are spending more relatively, frankly, not one of them. and i know you want them to get old to the 2 percent, but a lot of them off, and i guess you ascend to that is something that you should all take into consideration to write and wonder whether the united states or do you have an answer to the consequence of russia winning of put in winning. well,

i've absolutely believed just as to the financial. we're saying that if putting winds in ukraine, he won't stop. there is a dig sooner. dictators behave the same way, which is they tell you what they're going to do. and he's talked about a great, a russia, he's talking about russians living outside of russia. there's no doubt that the baltic states are going to be at risk or poland if we don't stop him in ukraine. and the other thing we should also remember is the geography is not gonna change. when he loses, a new crane is still going to be a threat and a danger, and that's why we're gonna have to continue to bolster our eastern flag, and nato is doing that right now. so i think that's part of what we have to do is make sure that we stop him here and ukraine and part of also what we do not just in the united states, but in all of our countries, is make sure we're reminding our publics, cuz we've seen decreasing support in the united states for ukraine from my m, how important it is that we stop putting here and really getting that message out.

building that support to be able to get to the weapons that ukraine is going to need to continue to fight. can i just ask you to pick up on the, the progress the nato nations and making in what your old, demanding for more defense spending. in 2014, a nathan made the important decisions triggered by a rush, also legal on like say, tional company on the tools that need to analyze of the years or reducing defense funding. we have to start to increase defense spending levels of that wayne's assignment and it will suddenly been waiting. so i remember i was there and i thought this was just an older plan should by politicians the made up in national me think and not so much we will. it's going to happen the yeah, let's see, is that a little pass happened the cold since then? all night follows have increased defense spending. and this year we expect ethan, i'll us to meet the 2 percent. the guards on spend 2 percentage in to be on the fence. that's up from 3 in 2014. that's a significant increase. i mean,

they also have been told to you to be knowledge and kind of added 6 on the b and fixed up for a defense and those all us, which i know. yeah, that's 2 percent. how fast in place to be there very soon. so there's an enormous difference, only depend on us. i mean is that top because they realize that there is a need to invest in high end capabilities, have more readiness, other forces and they thoughts implemented the biggest reinforcement so collect the defense in generations with the groups calling about the troops and nissan. part with on sort of 1st time, no history with a with a higher and this more forces and i'll pull to the new defends bonds. so i'm not saying everything is fine. i agree that there things have to do even more. but really on practice, something which is demonstrating and commitment will allow us, that the need to just on together prime is to cat us a you, you, her the send it to say that america would eventually do the right thing. in this case, the c i, a director has said for the united states to walk away from the conflict and

ukraine, that this crucial moment and cutoff support ukraine would be an own goal of historic proportions. do you feel as the atmosphere has been around the beginning of this conference, the as a, a worry about america? continuing to lead the alliance? one thing to be the leader, particularly if the administration changes off to the elections, is that a real anxiety or not? i mean, 1st of all, i want to just correct fun things that i hear everywhere it is. uh, mentioning separately point 6 and poland. i mean if it is like we are 2nd clause made. so members, there are only for later members when russia is going to attack nato, is going to attack all of us, not poland, not the boy 6. so. so let's not, my said then the 2nd, i think that of course we are only democracies and democracies.