so we'll eventually do the right thing, in this case, the c i a director said, so the united states to walk away from the conflict and ukraine at this crucial moment. and cutoff support ukraine would be an own goal of historic proportions. do you feel as the atmosphere has been around the beginning of this conference, the as a, a worry about america continuing to lead the alliance, wanting to be deleted, particularly if the administration changes of to the elections? is that a real anxiety or not? i mean, 1st of all, i want to just correct one thing that i hear everywhere. it is a mentioning separately for 6 and poland. i mean, it is like we are 2nd classmates. so members, there are only for later members when russia is going to attack nato. is going to attack all of us, not poland, not the boy 6. so. so let's not make that then

the 2nd i think that of course we are only democracies and democracies. we don't get to choose the leaders for, for our, our allies. and we have to work with our own, the allies. what we have to understand is to learn from the mistakes from the history and, and you know, one thing for europe. and i was just in one of the central european countries and they was like, they had the attitude, but you know, the wars far from them and i took the exact geographic go kilometers the distance is, i mean your much closer to the war than we are and, and we should all be worried and, and so it is true that so we have to ramp up our defense spending and, and do it. not only for lady pledges but actually in real life. so in this, so now we have invested or are investing it over 3 percent of our a g, p to defense, and we encourage everybody to do so. but there's also one thing that i've,

i've thought about then this is that, you know, when i came up with the proposal over the one round a one minute rounds artillery initiative for, for ukraine, then it turned out that, you know, our defense industry is not capable and we don't have enough, so uh, but we have in australia, for example, a very, you know, vibrant tech sectors. so. so why don't we put those tech sector and defense industry together to make, you know, a really big progress not producing what you know was there for the 20th century, but actually what should be in the 21st century so that we could make advantage by this technology, technological part, also uh, in the techs, a, in the defense industry. so i think there's so much we can do all together and, and together with the big allies, the small ones,

everybody bring something to the table. that is what the alliance is all about. i'm so digital prime is the kid has talked about the 1000000000 right? one point in munition, rowing in 1ww. okay. well, at the moment, us intelligent says that while you can deliver, even 1000000 knows career is be busy to delivering maybe half a 1000000000 to russia right now. is that right? so i think is, i think is a 1000000 also from mine. well, okay, so that means getting, what do you need? um, can you today be certain that nature can defeat russia if it comes to that is all we're hearing is that you're not ramped up enough. you don't have enough to do what you need to do. and ukraine, much less if you were to confront russia and you've said that if you've steps on your territory, every single inch will be defended. 9th wise is the

strongest military power in the world today we. we meet up since 50 percent, roughly over the world. so totally me into the mind. and meantime we are stronger than the restaurant. but at the same time, i think the war in ukraine has, has demonstrated that there are some serious gaps. for instance, when it comes to sustainment. the thing is to have all the advanced weapon systems, but they need a spare parts of the maintenance on a piece that need to have a nation and the beginning of the war and ukraine. we defeated our stocks, but now they are running quite low. as on now we are focusing extremely, also very much on how to ramp up production. we have some good news. there are new factors being set up. a production costs increase but but these urgent need to do more. so yes, i think we will have doing some serious lessons uh about the work site. uh, also for nathan lynn from from the war uh in uh in ukraine. then of course,

i was speaking about furniture a unit piano. let's have a have more to do when it comes to tulsa defensive spending. but actually we, when you look at the support for ukraine and european olives and kind of how providing more support in ukraine in total, then united states. and of course, the united states have done that often as a particularly comes to military support to train. but the problem now is, of course, the lack of decision in the us congress means nothing from, from the, from the, from the us has gone down, and that's in direct impact on the front on in ukraine. so of course, there's a note on there about making the rock decisions about the smoke making the right decision early as quickly as possible because it's urgent. every week. we wait means that there will be more people killed on the front line in line in ukraine. so it's not for me to get his advice on how to pos registration to the us congress . but what i can say is the vital an urgency for the us to decide on a package for you. okay?

and because they need that support on the habit burner, shooting between the bank and not, not the states. so now it's one of us to deliver what they have problems. and you just took that message in washington last week. and john specials went and you know, he's just broken ground on a new i munition factory. so let me to into again then us senator rick, is you voted against the senate plan? i wonder whether anything you've heard today may maybe stiffened your results to go and convince your colleagues not just in the senate, but in the house. and particularly what president zalinski said that he would, you know, really request all these weapon systems. if he could directly address um and you hud, and also to the questions that he wouldn't even invite a former president donald trump to the front line so he could see the danger and see what's going on. there's anything you hit today, stephanie resolved, change your mind. well, i think again it goes back to democracy is, are messing every country, has its priorities. so for example, the united states right now, we have a pressing national security issue in our southern border. over the course of last

3 years of 8 half 1000000 people have either entered our country illegally or attempted to enter our country illegally. put in that perspective, that's more than 4 times the population, my state. and that's the number one consideration for people in my state. and frankly across the united states is what's going on at our southern board. and so that's what my colleagues and i were attempting to do when we were trying to pass this bill is to get a package that would secure the board force present by any change of policy security board of ultimately we're not successful. it doesn't mean i know support what we're doing to support ukraine, but again, it gets back to every country's got its own policies and his priorities getting back to getting them why, you know, says 2014. the floor was supposed to be 2 percent, and here we are. last year in 2023, almost 10 years later. now 2024. and we're gonna have either 11 last year or maybe 18 this year. countries that have their priorities, they have to get their democracies messing to accept those. and it shows that

actually the administration came to a very conservative and very conservative and strict immigration proposal based on what the congress wanted. and these congressman torpedo did the republican lead congress i told to alejandro my own because the secretary of homeland security yesterday. who said he never seen anything from the democrats, so strong. so my question to you is, and we know that the american people by a considerable poll margin support nato, the polish prime minister, donal test treated dear republican senators of america, ronald reagan, who helped millions of us to win back of freedom and independence must be turning in his grave to you today, i'm sorry to add, he said shame on you. so i wonder what you think about that. and whether you are prepared to see a world in which america doesn't lead anymore or one i asked you before and which russia wins. yeah, so 1st lot but actually to say what the message came for was on the board was not adequate, didn't get the job done. they set the emergency level at 5000 people per day

entering our country in the past. that number was below a 1000 and in fact, brandon john, who's the president of border patrol council, who's, you know, on the board there said a thousands emergency, 5000 catastrophe. so again, that's why the bill didn't go anywhere is because what surprised it was one who was not adequate with regard to uh, you know, again, i understand people are anxious to get this done. it is a democracy, it does take time and we have other issues that we gotta deal with as well. so as i mentioned, we're going to get there is going to take time. it's going to it democracy is a process, and we just have to continue to work to be able to get to the answer for how we're gonna invest our defense industrial base, our supply ukraine, the weapons they need to be able to do it. but i'm top of united states will get there. so they going to get there. yeah. but it is that time is working in favor of, of, of food and of course so, so and, and against the,

the booth space daughter really so, so of course everybody's looking at at united states so, so, um to, to speed up the site i understand you know democracy takes time, you have debates, but at the same time there is a lot at stake. i think in the world again i turned back to history and, and i think 3 things we learned from, from the 90 thirty's and, and, and the 2nd level or was that 1st everything spreads very fast in, in europe. the 2nd is that a, if a america isolates itself lead to eventually is, is going to cost you more. and, and the 3rd is that this aggression pays off somewhere. it serves and it as an invitation to use it as a square, which is a threat to the proven security. the

kid's time is to kill us secretary general stolen birds. thank you very much. now opening it to the audience for questions and i understand china, many other issues on your, you know, on your agenda this weekend. i saw you 1st and the questions, not speeches. the looks are going to be a member of the problem. and if you grade, send this senator you said democracy takes time. the problem is ukraine does not have time where dying every day and that is so important. so please come see days. and one more message us present, zalinski a message to a say the republicans, my message is very easy for us to messages to really want to have a gun. this done one more and that will be a consequence. second, if it will be needed, who will be with americans in trenches near to around ukrainians already. but please support us now. and the last thing is the president of can we turn migration

and refugees of the problem, interest them to the council of europe. we're ready to help you with the border. we are ready to help you to but do really think that if you grand would fail, that will help american border. thank you. uh, was there a rule against speeches versus questions. so i understand your frustration coming from your current absolutely. your country's being invaded. you've got 300000 russian soldiers on your territory. put in perspective of again, the millions of people trying to come to the united states illegally. not quite the same thing, but it's a pressing issue for our country. but it's a pressing issue for the united states people united states, right? so again, when you're talking about dealing with multiple issues, you've gotta be able to manage this. all your brains got his own political issues you're looking at. for example, your transcription taken down from 27 to 25. i understand it's a difficult political issue and ukraine right now as well. so i think is again,

we all have to have a little grace, we're all democracies. so we have to understand that getting our populations to where we need to be as a matter of time and process matters. and so it's what sets us apart from the bad guys like putting that we just can't order people to do stuff. right. so certainly understand your grade in saying, hey, we need the assistance now i get it. it takes time to work his way through a democracy and that's what we're going through. i will get, we're going to get there. it's just going to take time for you. thank you. i'm to put on a former minister and some of my name's government. it's clear that york needs a credible and that strong deterrence, looking at your brain on beyond chance of assaults, pointed that out earlier this morning. do you think that we can achieve that by conventional means only? or is it time you to discuss? but you up tend to be a bit on us. i think this being discuss,

currently in general, what are the expectations, especially across the atlantic, 6 asian, late to house of all established a new code to turn and it has worked for decades. it's something in the united states and us together with you to be in the allies. we have agreed. come on the control, we have the exercises, we have doctrines, and that is actually something we do together as nato. and i think that's a, any, was a, a questionnaire about the turn is we would only undermine me to in the time we really need to credible the titans so. so of course we have united states as a new people. we have problems on the new k, but the deal developing some kind of high level joint and utilitarian amongst all nasal allies. nothing through the united states and the u. k. either that's not helpful and it will only undermine a new to the $10000.00 us worth. well, for many,

many years over the, the a thank you very much. deed, tobias l with united kingdom following from a foreign minister, a sentence or understand this is the biggest delegations with united states for 2 generations to come to munich. and that's really good to see. i hope the message goes back. that part of europe is on 5 lines on the map, the varying redrawn. and we are absolutely baffled as to how this is being tied in with what's going on in the mexican border. my quick question, if i may, is to do a standardization of nate, 2 rounds, because if you take a how it's from united states and you put it with the munitions, missed on there as ukraine found it one way. and we need to be building more artillery pieces and cells as well. but until we standardize this equipment, it simply wouldn't happen solely that must be a prior to. it's a nice a. thank you. yes, absolutely, i'm the good news is that again,

we haven't gotten some very serious lessons on the water than crime. this not only is the only on a how it says or, or ammunition from us that doesn't to work together. it's also we have the joint deduction, german brigade, where does go with the exact the same. so we have too many examples where allies have made some small changes in naples, doctor's pocket, i guess, to protect their own industry on this doesn't work. so therefore, we have done a lot in a tool to actually reinforce, i'm to, i'm to implement the degree and that was honored. so this will reduce costs and it will ensure interoperability. piano. so that's a weapon. so i'm nations are interchangeable. so there was this lady here. thank you very much. my name is lynn clark and i'm transitioning to i think a think tank in washington dc. my question is directed to the sentence that says the both the full, the trumpet, ministration,

as well as the curb. by his administration. the inter pacific has been identified as the priority area of the united states and china. the main challenge. how do you think the sluggish approach to ukraine might impact on the east find policy priorities and challenges? yeah, absolutely. so there's no doubt that she is also a dictator and he has his own territorial ambitions in taiwan. and so we know that she is watching very close to what's going on your crime, which is again, one of the reasons why it is important that we support you can give them the weapons they need and then also work with. i want to make sure that they've got the weapons they need to be able to to, or she from trying to take taiwan by force. so we absolutely get, this is all in a related, which is one of the reasons why i think it's important that need to establish some of the relationships we have with regard to our indo pacific partners like korea and japan and so forth. of i support of, of trying to set up

a needle office in tokyo, so we can really open up those lines of communication to keep it very coordinated. i actually believe that what happens in the north pacific impacts europe and vice versa. and that's why i think that again, for our collective defense that we need to be thinking, you know, nato's got its own mission. but extending those lines of communication and cooperation is going to be important to be able to deter she from taking time. want in the future, can i just add a question to you about this to both of you actually because you've been using china more, more new arguments to us lawmakers than others have told us that this does. they're watching, you know, the lawns, watching china is watching. everybody's watching what happens on the battlefield of ukraine. and others have suggested that there is actually a new access of anti america, a nation's, you're on north korea, you know, russia joining to really challenge the united states. i'd like to hear your, your, your view on that and then your on through on that i think i remember that just

a few days before the russian and full scale invasion of the ukraine back in 2022 preston, 15 winds to badging on his signs and agreement to the with oppressed, i'm sure you would have promised it shoulder a partnership with all the and the limits on what we see is that the time on rush hour coming closer and closer. so of course, if a person put in wins in the ukraine, it's not on the charging for ukrainians, but this sense of message don't fall into put in, but also the she's that when they use mentoring forced to get to what they want. so what happens in ukraine to they can happen in 5 on tomorrow, and then if i strongly agree with, that's it. it's a good deed for the night that states to support your claim is don't charge the it's investment in their own security because it makes it less likely that the she uses forces for instance, against it's all wrong. but also because by spending a fraction of the us defense budget,

it's are going to be due to pin hollows. we have enabled the ukraine this to destroy a substantial part of the russian, a fighting power. so this is actually in our interest to ensure that the to, to invest in between nope, is because we are concerned about china on may learn if he wins in your brain. so therefore it's urgent that to us and make a decision on competing support. do you have and also i know you talked a little bit about china. right? yeah. but i would agree with the secretary general here. i think the world is polarizing between these also are tearing dictators. who don't she, committee and i read comes on and in north korea, they are the ones who are trying to up in the system that we created since world war 2. this led to the, all this peace and prosperity they're trying to change that and, and that's where it is up to us in the world that we see these liberal values that are so important that we have this, these democracies that allow our people to,

to get that piece of prosperity to work together to oppose that and it's gonna be for while the world has changed, you know, the, the piece that we've had since the soviet union collab to the 19 ninety's that's gone. it's going to be a very dangerous world. the next 10 or 20 years, and that's why it's important that we default our defenses in during the cold war, you're a regular spent over 3 percent under g, d, p. we in the united states have to look at the same thing. you know, our defense budget, least the vitamins ration defense budget look to fall below 3 percent. we need to get that back up. and we also getting, getting back to we need to talk to our people about what's happening, why it's so important because they've got to move to have they haven't lived in a world where we've had a situation like this since 1990. i was talking to a mother and my state fair. she said, center. i don't want my 18 year old fighting in europe. and i said, ma'am, that's why we're giving you credit weapons. so that, that doesn't happen because if you find loses and putting invades in one of our

nato allies, then your 18 year old will be finding a job. that message hasn't been out there in a long, long time. we've got to get our folks or people's all across these nations to understand the world has changed and we're going to have to step up to fight these dictators. one last me. yeah. that's good to know. uh, just the thoughts about your migration. worry it just in comparison, we have 6 percent of our population now, the ukraine and the refugees, and that would be calculating into america. that would be $20000000.00 people so that we survive. you will, you will, i guess, survive as well. but what i want to, what is, what i wanted to say about europe and america, i think it, you know, it's also important to, to understand that, you know,

majority of investments that come to america are, from europe. the 45 states out the 50 are dependent on, on the european, the, you know, job creation or, or the export import. the relations, the trade relations. uh, then it is more, i mean, to 2.7, the times the american companies profits from europe. more than they do in asia, in asia, whole of asia. so. so if you think in, in, in this kind of what's in it for us terms, then europe is definitely, you know, profitable for you. and that's why you as definitely has to see this. how, how this is affecting you as well when there is a war in europe. i'm sorry, i'm being told is the end of the it's the end of the session. thank you very much.

like the general parameters this done. thank you very much. i a thank you. thank you very much. yeah, nice to meet you and you are watching the news. a live coverage of the unique security conference on the way it's de tubes there. and we just had a panel discussion with pete re, kids. us sent it to committee on foreign relations, the estonian prime minister kind of tell us and nato secretary general eons stultz back in here in the studio with me is again dw chief political correspondent in the not has it not i've, i've been looking at you at times throughout this discussion and i feel that you probably share the same feelings that i have. it's 8 was somewhat so

bring discussion, certainly for somebody who is a based in europe listening certainly to the us senator explaining the democracy and that thinks take time. but also listening to the nato secretary general saying that nato is stronger, military, stronger than russia. i hope so. it's a military alliance that should be stronger than one nation. so what i thought was interesting with kaya colors, the sodium prime minister, who is also a different generation, which was notable there, pointing out that to nato, if, if you're not attacking a country, a member. but if one of the members like the politics being floated a lot is attacked, then you attack nato. and i thought that distinction was quite interesting. but i wonder what, what did you make of this discussion? it was interesting to hear this was frank discussion between european

representatives of nato and an american representative of native because of course, that walking this type of book, right, they're trying to send this message to funding that puts in in moscow. they just items united nato is very much behind ukraine and they are delivering weapons. they're giving the political support. but they all having a hardware and how the time to actually sell this to their own voters. and that is becoming increasingly clear and we are dealing with democracy. so it's very much how it's in the open unplugging. the person is sitting back looking at what's happening in this discussion and the trying to do these 2 things on the same time one. so unity and give you credit what it needs to defend itself and defend the international uh order and to the same time also pressure each other hopefully that they have to do more and that they have to take this seriously. because this is not about a small country defending itself against a no grass. so this is about defending it says the,

the international world order. and it, they were talking to the a, the a, the american representatives a essentially pleading with him to understand that you crime really desperately needs. there's a package that's being held up in congress was 56000000000 euro. right. and we're also joined by a dw chief political editor. i missed you la cruz know, who is actually at the security conference in munich. uh, michelle isla. you went there and listening to the speeches that we heard bosa by the gym, and chancellor will actually buy ukraine and president of a lot of mr. lensky, and also this discussion just now just give us a sense of how all of that went down a, with a participant. and so with the members of the munich security conference, it went down rather well, and it was standing ovation. so no, to me is the lensky and i just want to highlight one sentence by pete richard,

jesus, us center for nebraska who was on the panel that you just referred to. and the key sentence really was we will get that. and that was in reference to that package of aid, both ukraine and for israel, that is currently stuck in the us congress. so what we're seeing in the united states is us domestic wrangling between the one of the next present, donald trump, and the comp present. joe biden, blocking essential the policy making that used to happen across the board. but the good news i take from that panel was yes, you write it mapped up the, the acute urgency of the western lines to the really not just project strength was actually to demonstrate the strength to loading it printed up. but that one sentence we will get that does suggest that there is a lot of talking going on behind the scenes and that even the democracy with all of those complications can eventually get the and be strong. and that's exactly what

go to me is the lens your cold for. you said, don't ask ukraine when the will will end. ask yourselves um, why a lot of the pacing can still continue this one. this is a very casper, the frames and phrase it cool on the allies of ukraine, the, to, despite the many things that he delivered here as well, to do more on to do it. now a to prevent this, eating further into the security in europe that may not end up doing more quotes also includes. 5 a real game changer, a know goal for, for decades assessing a year in mainland your of namely eh, and you clear weapons a it's, it's a suddenly sort of, uh, been mentioned a few days ago. suggested that you're uh, uh, so it's sort of have its own nuclear arson. now what's the ceiling of the munich security conference?

it was also something that was discussed and also asked in the follow up or for the 2 addresses that we heard from the gentleman and ukrainian leda. what's the overall sense about that issue in munich? well, that's a base that's very much in the early stages. i think it's notable that what i've sold the focused on ukraine in his speech here and, and the q and a a. but he's still clear of that very issue. and you will also, when you hear the german defense minister spin key will talk of it being no necessity. that's the nuclear sharing with nato is sufficient right now at the same time. that is this offer on the table from the french present, the monument, my call, we sell it. don't tell us the post prime minister who was in berlin meeting last hold last week, pick that up as an issue, but also not coming forward with a specific policy. and i also spoke to the po, this farm and as to hear the security conferences we, it's quite clear that opponent also hasn't figured out quite yet what.