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a sean, it's lisa, it's m e i c d w the which leak found the julian assault has opened his final u. k. a challenge against expedition to the united states american authorities wanted him on charges of espionage over his publication of classified us documents . 15 years ago, as long as his baffle against that extradition request is itself more than a decade old. and it could now be approaching resolution. i. my new group is mckinnon in berlin, and this is the day. the this case is an admission by the united states,
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but they now criminalize investigative journalism. if we news, it's very, very serious in the why does that mean it was doing his job has to be very right. so you have to be released and also coming out spanish authorities, investigate the killing of a russian helicopter pilot, who just fax it to ukraine, lost you? i mean, let's get up to that because i want to clarify that it's a case under investigation. so we can provide more information and yet we have to wait for the police and don't wanna do that. what so the investigation can progress and just be left the moment. welcome to the show which he leeks found the julian assault, which has launched what might be his last chance to stop extradition to the u. s.
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lawyers for the 52 year old, one judges of the high schools in london to allow an appeal against the extradition order issued by the british home secretary in 2022. now sanchez wanted by us prosecutors who intend to put him on trial on spying charges. he did not appear in court in person on tuesday, due to illness. i would cite the high court in london a heartfelt to message from a son to his wife, to supporters gathered to press for his release. we don't know what, what, what, what to expect but you are here because the world is watching the to day hearing could become a sondra is final battle in the u. k. justice system. but his lawyer say he was to on, well to attend the 52 year old has been fighting for more than a decade to avoid being sent to the us where he could face life in prison if
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convicted on spying charges. sanchez, being a wanted mind since 2010. after his whistle blowing for him. wiki leaks, published classified us army materials and supplied by an intelligence analyst. delete contained documents and the video footage from the wards enough, got us done and direct some of the footage with shocking, seemingly implicating us troops impossible. war crimes. you know, it's a sanchez appeal sales. his backers fear his life could be at stake. state many of his supporters believe he's being targeted for exposing serious criminal acts by us authorities on the military. he is not
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a 180 prison. campaigners pressing for his release warrant this case could signal a larger threat. he would be the 1st publishers trying under the law. john was in this way and that is why it is so dangerous. we've seen that law being used against whistle blower, but never before against a publisher like this. so what is at stake? it's really concerning. while it's not know when the verdict will come, menu already feared the possible effects on the free flow of information worldwide . if all else fails, intervention by the european court of human rights may be sandra's final hope. that's bringing the w correspondent, charlotte chelton pill who is in london. hi, charlotte explained to us what this hearing is about. exactly. well, i mean, this is nothing less this month. nothing less than the start of julian. a songy is
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not legal roll the dice in the u. k. his last chance to find extradition from britain to the us. now to understand what's going on in this to day here, and you have to really talk about what's gone before he was previously uh, the expedition was previously denied on the grounds that his mental health was such that he would be a suicide risk under us present conditions of that decision was a then over time dr. assurances from the united states and an expedition order was assigned to this to day hearing is now about whether or not he can appeal that. now if he is a successful, he'll be granted an appeal hearing. if he fails, that reading will be the green light for extradition that could take place within weeks. so the stakes were really couldn't be hired here for duty. and as long as
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i'm almost all the charges facing, as long as you in the united states, as well as paid stands trial, he's facing 17 accounts of espionage, one counts of confusing misuse. now these relate to which weeks of publication of thousands of links minutes we don't key minutes and diplomatic cables. many of them relating to the was in a rock and i found a strong now the united states says, then this is about the manner in which there's a link to material within obtained and the manner in which it was published. they have maintained throughout this as it's, it's puts lives at risk that has been key to that argument to em. but this is really extremely serious. his voice say that he would be facing a prison sentence of up to a $175.00 use in the us,
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which is support to say would be tantamount to a defensive. yeah, we've, i mean we've seen the footage of the protests that haven't, haven't, we won't have, as long as the support has been saying about the situation. what does he have seen in those pictures that there was a huge crowd that supports us outside the court today. protest is a john and some politicians as well all attending to his supportive. he's a here he is a scientist for free speech. they only see that he is being prosecuted for his journalistic work, exposing us rooms, and that's not the arguments. now when it comes to his lawyers, his legal team, they put for what a number of arguments today against the expedition just to give you a bit of an item. you had a lawyer said the case is politically motivated. if they say it should concern janice around the well say say that he could face what they called a flagrant denial of justice if he's extra going to them. then uh,
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one of the more to we say eyebrow raising hawks of today was his new way is arguing that he faced what they put a real with ex, traditional extra it extra it, it does show actions. now they were referring to an allegation that they raise, they claim that there was a c, i a pull to kidnap and assassinate a julian, a song. so that was clearly a significant names. they notes and new information is significant. the arguments that his lawyers made today, their roles, they've been a huge concerns about his mental and physical health. is why a very prominent outside the court today. she says that he is a political prisoner, and his said his life is nothing short of being at risk. and show that if the court does fines against him is that still any chance of an appeal to the european court of human rights, a legal team has absolutely put that on the table as a, as
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a possible next step, seeking an immediate injunction against the expedition with the european judges, but such a move is far from guaranteed. the bar is very high for an injunction like that. and there is concern from his support is that it might so should it happen? it might not come quickly enough given the fact that it's 5th, it's his support, his faith, it's expedition could come up with potentially within weeks. charlotte, thanks so much. so that might still be correspondent charlotte shell. some pills reporting from london. spanish police say they believe the body of a man shot dead in the country at last week. is that of a russian helicopter pilot who defected to ukraine. maxime cruise main off conspired with the ukranian intelligence services to fly his helicopter to ukrainian territory last year because mino said he was motivated by opposition to
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the war. he also receive money reported late hoffman $1000000.00 to all the crew members were killed during the defection that cause main off was found shot dead in the underground call park of a prophecy near la county. on february, the 13th spanish media reports that he was living under a fake identity, ukrainian authorities have confirmed his death. joining me now is investigative journalist andre. so that's all if he's the founder and editor of the i can to or a web site with trucks rushes intelligence services. and this is all sorts of does the killing of maxine because we know that the whole knox, of, of the russian intelligence services uh, yes, unfortunately it does. and actually uh, in default ive happened to be had education as problems approximately traditions that they uh they going to find him and kill him. uh so it is
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about a symbolic thing for there are some miniature intelligence. yeah. let me, we, um, we saw it today, the russian news agency task force at the head of rushes for an intelligent services as cooling cause, mean of a traitor who became a moral colts as soon as he started planning his affections. so that's as close as we're going to get to an official russian admission that they cut a killed cuz we know uh yes, absolutely about given the uh, the history of the russian intelligence agency is going off to the fact us, it's, unfortunately, it's reflects april the big cha, that's a valid russian, that those decisions is always trying to make a point that they can get to you whenever you are. mm hm. so have you seen an up swing in the activities of the russian intelligence of assistance the, the status of the ukraine will as well yes, unfortunately. uh well as a russian intelligence and special forces. uh, they,
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as we now, uh they felt confused and embarrassed at the beginning of the war, especially in the spring of the way to trance to bought by 2223. they regrouped, they found a new sense of purpose. now they think they are not in a walk, if you grade any more, they are in the wall with 5 gigs of west. and basically they think that to be at, in the 3rd round of his blog posts around who was engine lights and soldiers and forward you to send a bill. if a one goes wrong, they follow this uh, famous soviet, illegals and spies. they lost the 2nd problem, which it, which was a cold war. so now we are entering the, the felt dropped and that quite filed the term on the to we this one. can you explain to us how all of this works? i mean, these russian agents or they hired killers, and can i ask you, do you have the impression that western intelligence agencies are on top of all of this? or are you just, i think that, that is a sense of um,
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some arrogance thoughts. russian intelligence agency is especially because so many of us in spies about caught red handed. uh and uh, and the lady, the 1000 and pounds remembers it gets up st. paul, 2 guys for the other 25. we know the names of the oldest and lots of names of russian spies bikes to was active it yourself groups like that. and kat. so lots of for us in spies gets exposed. so be got this strange impression that these means the opposite of incompetent and unprofessional. they could be not extremely competent, but to kill people abroad. you don't need to be that competent. what also is important is that the russians that goes to services, they adults, that to the new reality offices will stop it. which means that lots of trust and spies were expelled from the emphasis over year. and they quite inventive. now they use for them. that's molson decorations i'm in and, and in such
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a nation. so that is to the directions. we already have an, an operation init today. and there are some national was saved from the court. it was actually transferred back to russia. be able to help off again golf fox. uh so band criminals. we also have several guidelines who got arrested in london because we had to walk in for the russian intelligence ages. so agents this, i get some more expensive and more resourceful. can i ask you about the timing of this? do you see any connection between the timing of the cause mean of killing on the death of the like st. of only? you know, i don't think that there is an immediate connection. the think is bad for the russian intelligence agencies and for the army to kill. a defector is very important. think it is because uh, russian and soviet intelligence agencies could use a disproportionate large amount of factors during the cold war and off the fat. so full them to find and kill someone who decided to the fact is and it's
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a very important thing because we need to prevent the others from doing the same thing. so it was quite important for them from that they want to find this pilot. okay, i'm looking at the bigger picture. i mean, does this prove the flooding that person can basically do what he wants within puna? see those at home and abroad? well, what you have now in the country is that people are extremely afraid. and the climate doctor pressing is, is horrible. you cannot go to the streets to protest, you cannot actually express your opinion on it. you should be extremely cautious. what kind of say and what, what you say public abroad. we already see a lot of attacks time between russian exiles, intrusion in europe. unfortunately, we have some incidents in australia, in germany, and it today now in spain. so it looks like what wasn't represent st agency is on
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getting more and more aggressive and adventurous russian investigative journalist andre results. uh so thank you so much for your time to speaking to us on dw, thank you. of the house or as he is in russia have opened a new criminal case against the brother of the late russian opposition. lita, alexei, novelle. and they all like novell name scene here in file for search with his brother was already on the wanted list for another massa in 2014 or like nevada. and he was sentenced to 3 and a half. he is in prison, the fraud, and a case that kremlin critics said was trumped up. now police say they have opened a new case but have not yes, on failed details of the charges. now this comes off to the mother of alexi on like the val, and he made a direct appeal to let him in person for alexys body to be released. his desk was
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announced by rational authorities last friday is am i spend the whole week behind me is the prism colony where my son alex st. of all new, died on february 16th for 5 days. i have not been able to see him. they have not released his body to me and have not even told me where it is. yeah, but as i appealed to you've letting me a poor 10 because this resolution of this problem depends solely on you this and you look, let me finally see my son. i demand that alex sage body. you released immediately so that i can bury him properly till age put on your wheels dw russia unless konstantin exit what he makes of the new criminal case that's being opened against alexei nevada. and these brought the all like to well, it is the, the element of this continuous pressure, it shows that the family will not be left alone. luckily, or like nobody, according to the russian media reports, he is living outside of rusher,
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i think it's cyprus, but i think we should verify that i think it's 5 years. um and uh, probably he's not getting to offer to be arrested. but if you look at the way, uh, for example, to cause regime use tried to use at least the interpol list, or as you move all the pursuit across the globe. so this is an additional pressure element. and this is an additional way of saying, well, i'm not going to leave you about russia has banned the us funded broad cost of radio for europe. radio literacy designating it as, quote, an undesirable organization. the move puts radio for your stuff and contributes has at increased risk of prosecution. one of its edits is also called the shape is already being held in prison in russia, pending trial for allegedly spreading false information. radio free europe is just the latest pro. acosta to receive this designation is the kremlin crux down on the sent over the invasion of ukraine. now this broad cost of
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d. w was also banned in early 2022 from reporting from russia, and was shortly lisa classified as a so called foreign agent. let's get more now from your a, russia. so he was the head of the w's moscow bureau before it was close down by all source, easy reports. now from rica. you're 8. can you tell us more about what this bond means to radio free europe for journalists and contributes, is of all the status of an undesirable organization. and you know, he's a pretty bad status, much more dangerous than to the status of a so called for an agent called duration with the for an agent is not the finest, at least in theory. of course, many people are afraid to work with the so called for an agents bought him paralegal term. so this has no consequences to this day. to simply means that the person organization is financed from abroad and carries out so called political work because the fact that the visa is interpreted differently, the practice is something else. it's a completely different meta,
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if you've work with a desirable organization. these can have serious illegal consequences. first warning is issued, then the person working with or supporting which much better and worse as they are, the so called undesirable organization is threatened uh with the criminal charges. the penalty can be a fine of the equivalent of 3000 to euros, or is a verse case up to 4 years in prison. there are now more than 40 on desirable organizations in the russia, and is it also media outlets such as the independent, investigate, different use, bartholomew's, and to the t, v. station, rain or dust and russian. both are not based as rushed about to pull it from exile . he had lots there and the lens and of course their employees are taking an enormous risk. yury tell us a bit about what happened to you and the d. w. 's most go stuff back in 2022 as
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well back in 2022. exactly 2 years ago. anya, we as died sevalla where classified as a so called for an agent in russia is added because according to the rational sort it is we are a for in the found that the organization that is allegedly politically active these affordable criteria for these classification. in theory, of course, that's not the case. we are north politicians that don't allow us by the interpretation of the law as to who is for an agent in russia and who is not is now still broad. the law is so vague and julie from boulevard it is that the just about anyone who receives even one year old from a foreign or a post, something on their account on social networks, for example, could be classified as a foreign agent. this list is now very low in the russia, and we as a w, i also, before we go out to the status of we will bend in russia. first our most go office was closed off the 20 is organization was withdrawn. and at the same time,
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our tv channels and our website to well blocked, but we haven't been silenced. we have continued to report on russia. meanwhile, for 2 years now, just in exile here in riga is a lot in capital t w's eerie. russia reporting from rica here a thank you so much. i the in israel authorities all working hard to help residents return to areas that were left mc off to the trauma of the terror. attacks carried out by home off on october the 7th last year. the w special correspondent, me and he said, visited the seat of his bus route, which is near the border with the gaza strip. a kindergarten. he has now reopened. as some families returned to the city. the voices
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of children in a classroom at the sound that had left the city for 4 months. around 90 percent of stables population fled in the days following the most terror attack . even children this young had heard from us rockets fall before the latest war. but october 7th, was a new kind of tear for the few families that have decided to return. it's an important day. substantiate what uh, what city and what is the teen. we're starting to go back to a daily schedule. it's feedback to sign it today after this catastrophe that we experienced on that side of day and all those months. we spend a way from here that you might of shane. i call it excel me quotes in judaism, it's called excite when you're away from your natural habitats. and the kids, as you can see, are having lots of fun being around their classmates, accounting in their natural habitat. guess i'm. it's their home, after all, they gave them a new tv that by turn on, what am i saying?
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the city is clearing the debris of a battle. this empty lot was the sight of a police station stormed and then occupied by a mazda militants. mural marks the stand often ensued when is rarely troops destroyed the building with the attackers inside. many of the scars that were left by the attack had been patched over but still 2 thirds of the cities, 30000 residents haven't come back. we stay with the deputy mayor expects that it will take another month at least before even half of the residents return. we are not in college where enabling and it's, it's a big difference but not a quote. people come here to is doing a lot. it's good for you because it's very personal. someone that is good for him and will come someone that is child is very afraid and advert posttraumatic a the store there. so staying out of the city for
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a long time. but where enabling everyone to come here to eh, eh, start again. of the military has assured him, the city is secure, and i'm aust hasn't launch rockets in this direction in 2 weeks. but many say they won't feel safe unless a moss is destroyed. little by little step vote is recovering from the horror of october 7th and returning to some kind of daily life, the explosions that you hear on a regular basis in the city. keep everybody on edge, but they know that for now at least it's a sound, it was a really sells, getting gaza, which is just over a kilometer away there. it's an active work zone and a return to routine is still on thinkable. and that's the show for today for the team on social media at c w news. and if it's the licensed headlines you're looking for, there's always, uh websites of the w till. com. so now from the entire team on the day, thanks very much for spending part of your day with us,
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this is dw news live from the and then the us visa is the un security council resolution calling for an immediate cease via and gaza. washington says the metro would jeopardize efforts to broke a hostage deal. meanwhile, the un says it is pausing food deliveries to products of gaza due to the slicing also coming out from the program. yeah, but i chose club lugging that puts it like say nevada needs mother fields directly to russia's president to release her son's body. is the kremlin, dismisses allegations that let them if those into.

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