to the next, we have doc film for you, which takes a look at the issue of racism in health care. that's after the break. i'm told me. alrighty, buck watching the bees do for fun via do gravitational waves. please all body. how do i the drums until the feet and what's the perfect kill for approx side? find the on says yes, with dw signs, don't need picked up channels. a, b, b, c looked a bismark a for a is b, c. the gp has been working in a medical practice and kind of for

a year since he arrived significantly more patients with the mines in the background has been coming in the wood has gotten out that that will be well treated. apparently that's not the case every what over the course of the general population has a migrant background. almost 24000000 people. the it is everyone present the same in the gym and health care system. the hello. how are your? yeah, so in amman was case the don't was able to intervene after clinic to and to my way to to do it come every insight. yeah. to the 2nd. yeah. your kidney. yeah. a year

ago doctor for a diagnosed manual was to degree renal congestion. the condition can quickly become dangerous. you sent him to hospital for emergency surgery. and so when he arrived, he was turned away at the reception desk. even though he had all the necessary paperwork, he had to make an appointment with the wrong and you did pop tube was told he had no choice but to leaks i may see him outside the clinic and hell knows where it happened. oh sure. no, no, i was too full about 2 or 3 minutes. i don't have any possibility to go is or

what i have to do. he saw your emergency paper wise zone, and i'm, it is people who immediately drove up to the table to talk to a full retails, meet that he called the hospital to talk to the receptionist. he said it was a misunderstanding. the manual should go back to school because it worked fine. cannot be just for letting me as a block sometimes as a lot of discrimination with some don't have to forgive and then for cause you run blockage can result in kidney damage if he hadn't gone back to doctor for a emanuel's renal congestion could have been faithful a right to the hospital with questions about the case the answer. as a general rule,

no one will be turned away. someone with a medical emergency obviously isn't expected to have an appointment and won't be asked to return after like 2 days or something. but the reality is all from different says doctor, for a. yeah, the 4 weeks old. off wanna suspend some such man, i'm violent as he is on. i want to admit to patient 2000 and telephone background kind of, i really worry about them being turned away basically. and if i'm a deceptive using the other ones that has been mentioned, it's a kind of with someone with an african background. when i shut out the referral phones and i make a mental note to follow up. so i don't want to call one and ask if everything worked out in front of the for me on. and so i probably just clicked it all for me is ok. it's not the only example of racism in the gym and health care system will be coming across others. of course,

most of us have had some bad experiences with doctors, myself included. however, it happens significantly more often to people with a mind to treat back, correct. this is now backed up by the 1st comprehensive study on racism in the gym and health care system, commissioned by the federal ministry for family affairs and carried out but the send us the integration and migration research. the research team led by social scientists, she had sent a new evaluated move in 21000 questionnaire and conducted additional interviews. you by davia to try and verify can guide cynthia wherever we turned our focus, we saw problems costs. in some cases, these were delay right now, for example, in terms of getting help. we also saw in the qualities in terms of appointments yourself. to mean how can we as

a society should be alarmed about human rights issues in an area such as health and health care for lives are at stake. then it's a matter of life and death. the gluten time because i'm tired of certain groups are negatively affected, and even then we as a society, need to be concerned and garbage them to cook. and these are the coffins, intense items, stuff. that's because i just saw from my policy among the people affected in too many of those who identify as black ation or most of them submission phone. this is cover that's causing tax fees and see a government unless its another gazette shop. cuz i think the health care system is no different from other social institutions that are only adapting to new demographic and social realities. very slowly, i have an item, the biggest out of the media in the areas we examined because we see that there are still structures in place and disadvantage in certain groups of equipment that there's been off times 10. we want to know how this impacts

people's everyday. lots like journalists, so we ask the public via instagram within the day, people submission detailed accounts of negative experience. it's very common the very fact that black people are spoken to in english. so mostly women are addressed in a certain tone of voice. it happens all the time. when i arrived, the emergency doctor took one look at me, turned around and refused to touch me. a doctor who was taking the hippocratic oath would have let me die and it was because of the color of my skin. in the ambulance, the blue lights are switched off because our boys make a fuss about nothing. my partner doesn't speak german and don't just offices. he is often acknowledged by the stuff that ours over is adult as themselves say on that websites that they speak english now we only go

to the adult together. it's definitely human. the aging for him not to be able to go to a doctor's office alone. while researching i came across the case of ramsey, she had appropriate magic medical history but was fall off with painkillers again and again. a not given appropriate diagnosis until the head of the study about to 50 bucks a week. i'm not surprised. limited fitness in fact is we can also prove statistically that many muslim women are not taken seriously home items. the sounds, comments about the move in 2 thirds of the muslim women in the studies said the medical stuff, treat them unfairly, or worse than not, that's the face has consequences. 38.9 percent of most of them. women have change doctors because they didn't feel taken seriously. among women who are most affected by racism,

the stick it is 28.8 percent, the condition of the fortune street ductwork. i suspect them to build up. the research shows that there are certain prejudices regarding this with women in their passive. you have emotional, irrational. i've been known that there's also the clichy that they're very dramatic about pain. it was a key, she often apply to people from turkey, especially women. when it is that they exaggerate their clean symptoms or their hyper sensitive hide, it took off even though she had some to patrick at subscribed. we visit rooms here in low ascent sneak. she seems to have been a victim of exactly this kind of thinking. her family documented her experience for the fellow although she was seriously ill and spent weeks in hospital, she was given an accurate diagnosis. as a result,

she has lost in health issues. this has taken its toll. today, ramsey a can hardly walk into as quickly exhausted. she had to give up the job as a cleanup. she doesn't speak much jim and put on the stands everything we say it all began with a sudden severe back pain in january 2021. she could hardly move and was fractured by pain. in the middle of the night, her daughter called an ambulance ramsey was hospitalized for 10 days. and diagnosed with new rich compression seemed trying to come from the bcu them as to what ran them sent to me. that was the 10 this set

to me, but the test. nothing wrong with you. the get top hit on the and then everyone was saying, the results show you don't have anything. she gets off on the don't make such a fuss or the top load with the shelves, meal. my name, what type is my mother would call me at night during those 10 days and say we're not doing anything is i'm in so much pain that i wish i could die reversed. she was a screaming and pain on the phone at night and i'm saying please, but tell me they're doing something nurse, i don't want to live. i can't take it anymore. house they me named typical, doomed a treaty to me like that because i'm to can choose from it wouldn't have happened to a gym and a woman. so you begin to open the doctor's face to identify a life threatening heart valve. information either have or heart valve, you this, it doesn't mean by 3 d. c. to be a back pain can indicate serious organ disease. so that's why so diagnostics was so

important, the right to the hospital. the family filed a written complaint. the clinic is well aware of the case. a spokes person writes to me that there was no way of investigating how a nurse spoke to ramsey. and that's the back pain is not association with heartfelt inclination but there are now jim and hot central and munich disagrees back pain might well be a symptom of heart valve information. another indication that ramsey is compliance, we're not taken seriously. took place fits when hip pain didn't subside. the family went back to her doctor to try and get a referral for another hospital. doctor, my name, what's i'll see under 50 sick,

but to petitioners my mother back to the doctor to admit her to another hospital. he says the doctor got angry and said, you're not going to hospital, there's nothing wrong with you hospitalized in this. then we were simply sent home . we don't know how to go sick. so to kept all the paperwork, she contacted the practice 6 more times, becoming increasingly desperate by this point. and mother had tubes and fever. one come to from is in the puts you into instance, you can't keep bobbing off a patient to the thing. they just have depression, there are many possible investment. i can understand that even as a general practitioner, the 1st thing you do is look at the test results from the hospital, them on it before that the something that if you see something is wrong, you can say, okay, i don't know. and the issue biased, which is i'm going to refer you to hospital, i'm was kind of, that's not what happened to this home image become, or instead according to the family ramsey was told over the phone by the doctors

assistant. but she had depression and i'm in a proposal symptoms. it was only the point when she could no longer eat and drink that she finally got a hospital referral from the doctor. this time she was admitted to a clinic in her nose the 6 weeks after mc 1st complained of pain. she finally got her diagnosis, advanced hot valve inflammation, adult trip this call, special hard to kind of cause. she was indirectly involved with the case posted. it bounces on instagram a case of discrimination in the health care system that almost cost the patient to night. unfortunately, the hospital failed to carry out sufficient test, despite time levels of inflammation. instead, the patient was sent home with pain can let's,

she saw several more adults as because she was still in severe pain despite taking painkillers. she was told she was exaggerating the problem as far and as do eventually this family hired a lawyer then now demanding compensation from the doctor and the hospital. but how likely has a to win the case? i'm 50 and lucas from behind, full scale. and this um is kind of, we have the possible treatment error during the hospital stay here. they should have investigated earlier and more thoroughly and i'm getting a physical to him with the with the holes accident. then there's the doctor that i think is a when she heard there was a fever and chills. she should have reacted immediately on cummings. only about a 3rd of all medical malpractice cases, a successfully cold. racism really plays a role

a nice little so it's doesn't offline is done. so i'm dr. go from my perspective. there are explicit races. cliches, at play here with people with the migration background, supposedly exaggerate or even fixed their pains. but the fact is that racism and discrimination is very difficult to prove this, give it to the buyers. it's been proven. the racism is an issue for people applying for apartment, sol, jobs, racism in the gym and health care system has not been properly investigated. even though it can be a matter of life. so is it just a question of individuals who consciously or unconsciously behaves in a racist way? what is the problem systemic doctor or for his practice in hello is that as a general practitioner, he often uses a post oxy mesa. this measures the patient's blood oxygen saturation based on light

rays that penetrate the schemes. however, after years of experience, he no longer trusts the device. does the device look the same for every patient? a nice little come on, come back and 9. know clearly not. it's often not accurate when measuring oxygen levels in people with darkest skin tones. i don't always rely on it to 100 percent too much pressure collected in it. and i want to put $0.10 a whole bunch. would you use the pulse oxy mesa for a black patient to short of breath? very simple. you have it. i didn't know if a patient a short of breath, i'd say, based on the symptoms and why they need to hosp to check off. i don't was a lot of clear. i don't know. now that both of us do you have dark skin yourself? what is it? the device doesn't work. yeah, and then what happens if in case you're right at the end of the day,

it's not optimal for the i can also control tomorrow. then most likely. but if you know that the problem exists, you can try to work around this because of what i'm going to do, what you can, but so there aren't any negative surprise estimate on this. and we visit the the us study from 2020 show the dangerously low oxygen levels are almost 3 times more likely to go undetected in black patients. and then in want a serious problem. the became especially a change during the global cubic 19 pandemic. the, the reason why the costs oxy mesa doesn't always get reliable ratings is because it was designed for light skin. suppose it know a prime example, a structural racism in medicine. more on fixed like the dr. bismark of 40 is aware of the obstacles his patients face, and does his best to work around the, the giving

a patient the attention they need when it's a language barrier, for example, is time consuming. it can take longer to the 8 minutes a dr. spends on average with the patient in germany. get off. yeah. a according to the professional code of conduct, physicians, patients must be treated equally due to them. yeah. put all day and even within should bring them to the i'll come and talk to mike, tell the patients to come back with an interpreter with you even though most doctors speak english one. this can affect diagnostics, playstation, yes. most the diagnosis and how the condition develops. it gets much worse as a result, given the someone from in the waiting room, we ask patients about their experiences and the listening. yeah. then when you were alone with the doctor, they talked to you weirdly. like you're a foreigner in their house and then they you take and serious say here i'm gonna

guess i'm taken seriously and that's why i feel more comfortable here. part of our approved time sheet of these kind of thing, matching english on my cheese. also i see the recent study clearly shows the effects of racism among black patients. 62.8 percent too late treated worse than others. i just think of those of you mentioned on it. that's christ. tom. what about i think that we humans all have the right to be treated well by other people. we will need to be aware that we don't benefit from treating other people, was it doesn't make us better. i mean, the defense program, it doesn't make a strong distinguish because it is, it doesn't make a small to immunizations based off of it, it just homes on the people who can turn it into the facing or solve

a line for us on home interest. and also do not why does the health care system filed reflect out of the society? he's and medical equipment appears to be biased. and people with acute health problems of being sent home a system that's supposed to help everyone equally is actually pushing many at risk. it's a problem that needs to be addressed as it's routes. the gaps in the system start with gaps in education, giving rust all kinds of medical students want to change this. john asked as not to use his last night. he fused the 5 right, might talk a shame. the problem he says, starts with medical literature. his head off does to learn about dermatology and heart disease patterns, loops exclusively in terms of white skin, and it is

a contract. not all patients are going to be white twice on hold. this means we can overlook diseases you'd miss diagnose and in the worst case. so let people die comfortable football. just as any disease with this is particularly noticeable was but what you want to think of is containment about the media. it's an issue with lane disease and also with anemia. some people, some symptoms are detected using a visual diagnosis because these will look different on black skin. ok? how would they look on the different skin colors and it's something you have to learn and on the whole problem, because most one can see and how this was like a round top. you can, how do you incorporate is known as the sun? i talk unless i'm fond of, that you have to look for the teaching materials. so the research online has the students have to make an extra effort on the phone. and if you don't have the time and energy and the you don't learn it. remember the, the type of that as an educational gap and how it's on acceptable. and then look at the, i just want to talk about those ignites can be dangerous. take

a rush that could indicate the dangerous disease, like shingles, measles, i didn't mention it, but then if we overlook people, we overlook their problems. there needs assessment and but health care is a basic right corner. we've made this our mission. i'm viewing at least in german english of and you have the phonic, a sleeper sofa. only one medical school has adapted it's teaching in germany, most cost loads. the medicine considered too heavy over the is this documented office guns not argument doesn't told us not to go with the federal association of medical students has taken a clear position like that. we want racism to be addressed and teachers get to that . and then they have a vision belongs to the student initiative critical medicine milestone. they want to see the topic of racism in medicine addressed in present day,

which is historically in the not sierra the initiative is organized a workshop on discrimination in medicine. this is the 1st time that this topic counts towards the degree. everyone here says that being counted incidents of every day, racism in hospitals, but uh, yeah. to some systems as far as mobiles. this is tim for him to have how kind of a mediterranean does he have from figure code which was used in front of me and from took logistic stuff. but if someone says of a patient who didn't speak gym and looked at each this hour and look as low the taking, etc, etc, ratings, i hadn't no idea how to respond on stuff. i actually have a so the, the mean i couldn't see the patient is stuff didn't cuz it was i supposed to do with that client or the 1st time diet, which is this was a person by them who was in pay there. because when you have to cut some

mediterranean disease, a discriminatory and races to that's too bad to, to round back. but i'm on doctors often pre selected patients on the basis of 4 names. the idea is, i don't want to treat that patient because they probably don't speak german guns to withdraw. it sort of owns as of what names don't say anything about what the language of patient speaks to attitudes and medicine are only gradually starting to change. mostly cheese to cross roots, pressure mean single. so i just want medicine as an old discipline and elite this discipline. i think we're in the white discipline. i'm sorry about the wheels turned very slowly because the racism is sometimes very over and we have to ask them why is change taking so long to somebody

there is no excuse for racism in today's society. that's one reason. it's so hard for many to admit that is exist. well, making this documentary, we often encountered close tools when we raised the issue of racism, including if this meet bias, congress leads to press. department doesn't vote, it's a discussion about racism. once it says a, we talk to participant arenas, jury. hi, i'm your head of the past. the z retails is racism, and delivery rooms isn't warranty recognized as a problem. she hopes to change this step. this will cost us both my son for us to stay on. everyone that's, that's cool. i think that would, racism makes it home. i try that will. but if we use the term, it's the pressure to assume it would be easier to talk about. racism is something shipped to food topics. yeah. think of right wing extremist of as many of nazis in

vineland, stevens, but the most popular form really only these midwives have witnessed races in between to see who gets a place that can be highly stressful and strap have to cope with a lot of people under stress are more likely to react in a way that's racist. reacting in a sensitive way is not your a great different. you are paid to look after 5 women at once. i asked as if i'm, your 1st reaction is always, oh, why was being racist? i'm, i don't mean, but then when you think deeper, you realize that you do have to sit and ask them that's installed a new, a new still want to buy stuff taken good or that's fine league. and then i'd say

there are colleagues who have been in the profession for a long time, who don't have that self awareness is it can be very defensive. if you talk to them pointed out to them, they'll say, well, i didn't mean it like that is gonna be sort of mine. i think it's good if clinics also, ricky, let's training courses. and again, it's a question of time and money. and ultimately hospitals will to change the premises like hasn't been the same since the heart valve in fiction. she tells me today she has a mechanical hot files. the inflammation has become so fat. antibiotics didn't work after high risk operation and actually in her legs the st. and she had to have

emergency surgery since then her right leg has been up. she has to be careful not to strange. that's one of the reasons why she had to give up work and leave worship like beam scientists and appreciate you helped me have them get this on shaky the can i feel empty inside the gym. useless. i have nothing to do. i know what it was. my 2nd time, now it's gone. bush took place to do it. them can today she's at a checkup appointment in the same hospital with she had heart surgery. yeah. this i look to be receiving is to be honest, i mean, she doesn't have hopes the testing. so she thinks things won't get better,

just kind of loosely, it's led to a mazda resort. it seems as if they had recognized her her problem earlier for like would be okay, this way, please enter that. you can put your things that i'm able to. she was insisting ramsey has ruptured leg gosh, rates. the doctor checks the blood circulating properly. this looks good. it's turned out well placed equal partners to it. i'm so glad. i can't believe there's positive news because i know you can see the pub circulation is fine, but when you press on the great, cuz the good news and thank you very much.

but the trauma runs dates to the family, hopes the lawyer will make sure ramsey is compensated for who's suffering each kind of good service. you have to have couple for mind them. all the money in the world won't bring back my mother's heart valves into the for the, for us, it's about these people being penalized but they might not get what they want. a lawyer ma, so silly tells me the doctors are unlikely to apologize for medical malpractice out . of course, if they did that, liability insurance might refuse to cover the costs besides the community. and this means that they usually refrain from comments and don't apologize psycho in the sense of admitting responsibility. let's see. i understand what's the 1st question the this is why patients often end up taking the cases to quotes the

feeling when done. so there's no mishal on the many clients wouldn't take legal action if doctors admitted responsibility. gonzagos vazo, it's about a medical malpractice, almo, but it's also but this ignorance and this lack of sensitivity on the part of medical personnel. m. c, a for example, law school sites and heard that lack of trust is reflected in the gym and white study which shows the 12.8 percent of both of them. women avoid or delay seeing a doctor for fear of not being taken seriously to seek it is 6.3 percent for women who are not affected by racism is in front of them because on tests because we see especially in the health sector fall in the matter when someone experiences discrimination and racism to kind of see if they're trust disappears up and we're losing these people and they're turning away from the health care system

to suppose to protect themselves from what i mentioned, it should say, i don't know maybe on mon did get an apology for what happened to her. in december 2021, she went to a hospital in frankfort with severe stomach pain. a scene you talk to sold or have ms. i saw his eskimo mishaps of the mileage mass and so actually he just didn't take me seriously. i told him how i was painting in my by have the impression that he was taking it seriously and, and i so yeah. then to afford us to his insight, i kept insisting the pain wasn't no, no, hold on. he said to me, well, be glad you're here. haven't because we know amans. you'd be dead by now. if you were in africa twins tech. i was upset by the idea that i should be grateful. i'm allowed to be. so was i the sounds like us to use lines of can she grew up in

germany but knows all too well what it's like to be perceived as different items and slices. and by listening, vickery says, they asked me if i knew it was serious because i was in so much pain. and then he said that your jasmine is really good. that's high. i think it was like, you haven't listened to anything like that. and what else will assist in this? all i noticed was how i spoke jim and my knowledge. and that's a problem that's as best as best to blame that from a local politician. mine was so shocked that you posted a video and instagram from the hospital test this how? it's how you do smoke this also no. my, i asked him is the pay numer schmidt and he said, you know, my pain is never normal. but you will come and actually it has come out with it better than other people. so it's terrible to be at most of these people can you put most of the political scene was

a human being called pet expensive the video got hundreds of thousands of views and a barrel of hateful comments to upset the don't. i shouldn't put you down the monkey, you'd have like a pre historic african with that face. are you walking upright yet or on all fours? like a primate mon also received hundreds of messages from other people who had experienced racism in the health care system. then me a good amount of glass of hoyt, if it happened to me today, the snow i do is to get some excess drawing attention to the problem is the only way we have against racism and the glass on trust the top as well. and the values on and the impact on the her story took an unexpected turn. the

doctor apologized. mont is convinced that this only happened because she's a politician. she also managed to get the hospital to organize anti racism workshops for stuff. this is the main, the all stablish dicey might tell us cuz pointing out what's happened is on an individual level between people and that when this is unacceptable and ignorant. but the problem is also structural. it's institutional, it's one, it's the university's is the hospital knack, like body's happy life humanized, like colonial assembling. and this was an mentally spice of scientific progress medicine. it seems in many ways to be stuck in the 19 sixty's. it's norms, no longer a flags out of the society way and do the district, however on kids that make change so difficult come from

some of the contemporary health care systems in equities have deep brutes. as medical historian, city boston explains this and stuff this across both pieces yesterday and we couldn't, science can advance very quickly once there's new research on about it can take a long time for structural change to happen in god's found it as a sort of using those in germany's, until the end of the 19 sixty's, only a few people have to say in hospitals, had unlimited power in your st. they made all the decisions. that's in the 1st months that changed in the late sixty's. but it takes generations to change the structure, just resources for one done even to get into that. and of course in a system in which people are earning very well in the future is going to be very hierarchical. indeed, as soon as the opinions tutton x s t n c if he hi sir. so you have to look at the medical history museum and handbook sleeve. austin should slice on milky chapters

in the history of gym and medicine. d. that's it. and that's for this shift to then be the to use, for example, the history of racial prejudice and one fever, an article, alms of german science, contributed to racist views of black people, the opportunity and kind of take renown, jimmy physician and micro biologist rather call he conducted drug trials in a form the british colony in east africa. many people here suffered from sleeping sick. this call experimented on them using a remedy containing arsenic. his goals together dos for the german pharmaceutical industry once and will not be until the p desktop concord table. but call to should robert cox experiments with sleeping sickness. patients led to blindness, the trials to police and what he called concentration comes. patients were crammed

together and treated until they no longer showed symptoms of the disease. kind of people try to escape and that's why they were held by force. so suppressing massive forces misfiring for one must even call test if he's remedy on more than a 1000 people a day. many died in the process to precise figures, unknown sheer degrees. she stood that thoughts, these experiments play a very important role in the history of the german pharmaceutical industry has been full. it was a precursor to antibiotics. one's an active ingredient is still in use today. i hate to this a nobel prize went up robot call, conducted research to treated black patients, a sub human simmons. we should be the 1st of them from the on gives us some snaps. i'm afraid there is early evidence of this idea that black

people are insensitive to pain, taught all it was a factor in the beat legitimacy of slavery high spots i mentioned to them. and the idea was widespread up the time that black people were insensitive to mainland incidence, that it was used to justify physically harming them as a target this somebody is missing. so if it were already scientific arguments against that idea, come said people, sensitivities of them are all the same. size of these ideas are assisted. he's a student is a flushed at them, the height is unsigned in, and they remain damaging. as illustration by merely on mom's case, the problem of racism in the gym and health care system has come to the attention of the handbook. shame that the physicians president pet drum and mom is it's starting to be discussed

this all the tests here in his own todd space. and in this case, i'm quite, i think that in the health care system as a whole, we often have difficulty embracing change with the to a certain extent. there. and there are society in society as a whole. does this have to be done to is find it easy to deal with painful questioning progress. this means that we need us a veterans for the future going on with it. so quite certainly won't be easy to most, most one off to shop for a living by the saudis of houston office on from the organization now has an anti racism, counseling center cases of discrimination are reported from all as a germany in particular by doctors with problems that work to allow me save as a general approach. describe it as this and ends it, there should be like this feel free to of a tough and then i think it's very difficult. by default tony for those affected

has most control. so for those who hacked and racist ways to all knowing the or not, it's not always easy to be confronted with it. yeah, that's exactly what i think we need to be careful with all the criticism that we need to strike the right tone. so we don't tiny, and i my whole zones and on and otherwise of is nothing will change me to the lot of people will become increasingly upon the right ones for how to fund off on the parentheses. family, any changes or ready to light the damage cost is give us a simple it's still not clear with the show ever get the apology. she wants to get us started and some people should be listen to only no matter where they come from. no one should be putting to sign them, but you know, i want is my health to face didn't jim niece,

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