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that possibility, fulton is flexing russia as a nuclear might, as a threat, might not be new or imminent, but it must be taken seriously. the spectre of nuclear war to try to stop the west from helping ukraine. inquire, richardson in berlin, and you were watching the day i or the talking about the possibility of sending nato military continues to ukraine. me a dynamic times. nothing should be ruled out law. we remember the fates the fate of those one sent their troops to the territory of our country. we will do everything to insure the bush at 10 knots when this will jump. the thing to the west is coming up with now what they threaten the world with it can result in a conflict with the use of nuclear weapons.
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also on the day lawmakers in hong kong, prepared to pass a controversial security law with hundreds of dissenters, jails and critical media silenced its opponents know they are fighting a losing battle for the whole power. scariest thing is the old of hong kong is gripped by fear. the people used to criticize csr, receive them public. hey, you guys know fuse because even if they are dissatisfied we begin the day with a warning of nuclear war. russian president vladimir putin says nato risks, a nuclear confrontation, if it's members and troops to ukraine, and made the comments during his annual state of the nation address. the stuff went up there talking about the possibility of sending natal military contingents to ukraine. no. we remember the fate, the fate of those one sent the troops to the territory of our country can get
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through to. i'm interested on the on the doors are used to if they should understand, then we also have weapons that can hit targets on their territory. but they didn't like everything that the west is coming up with now to see what they threatened the world with. pity. do more with this you. it can result in a conflict with the use of nuclear weapons to me is still serious. and therefore, at the end, the destruction of civilization, so is boards and even get you to know how to show as much of felicia and civil is. that's what it is. warning came after frances president and mind, while my client earlier refused to rule out the possibility of western nations sending troops to ukraine at a press conference in paris. earlier this week he said there was no consensus today to send the ground troops in unofficial endorsed and sanctioned a manner. but in dynamic terms, nothing should be ruled out. we will do whatever it takes to ensure that russia cannot win this war. and that idea was quickly shot down by other western leaders,
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including german chancellor, olaf schultz. but it clearly ruffled feathers in moscow. colin's leader says, hooton's threat of a nuclear war should be taken seriously. here as a prime minister donald task, let's just go to about the soul has to be taken deadly seriously from a group of those just done once again, i repeat what i've been saying and discussing with partners in recent weeks here in warsaw. but as of yet i'm a she is it also mitch, your must understand that this new arms race that rush or is imposing on the world? yeah. can those that sort of, yes, go through and russian aggression a great do crane a muscle caused an awakening, but in old european capitals, this keeps the bass case. and we should say that put in was speaking 2 weeks before russia holds presidential elections. if you want to call them that much of his speech, to touch on domestic issues as well, ranging from tax and pensions to the health system and he made no mention of his
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greatest challenger. i'll explain the vall, me, who is going to be buried on friday, with a little to no opposition standing in his way pollution is expected to sweep to another election victory. we can get more now from a jade mclinn and she is an expert on russian politics and foreign policy with the department of war studies at kings college london. and she joins me tonight from cube. her latest book is memory makers the politics of the past, and pretends russia. it examines how the kremlin uses miss and memory, and legitimizing repression at home and imperialism abroad. jaden, so glad you can join us. i'd like to start off with fulton invoking the possibility of nuclear conflict. this is, of course, not a new threat from preaching but, but we did hear donald tusk. they're saying that this should be taken deadly seriously. i'm curious. what do you think for me to think of course we have to take any nuclear for it at least seriously,
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there would be foolish not to i think we have to take the nuclear effect on all sides seriously there, including what happens if you allow nuclear block coming to a ton, a sensible security policy because it's only going to lead to nuclear proliferation . there already strong room is about poland, considering you know, developing nuclear weapons in the case of a trump presidency. for now they may be rumors, but let's be honest. it would be an entirely logical step if the american nuclear umbrella where perhaps to fade away from europe. and i think that the logistics comments around the need for a serious awakening in european capitals is the message that perhaps needs to be screamed across the loudspeaker. so in many got to get that, i don't know earlier in a parent response to my cons, comments that refused to roll out troops in ukraine. a russian lawmaker and member of who is in our circle, referred to napoleon, is invasion of 1812 saying that if the french didn't send troops now, they would meet the same fate. you written about miss and memory and russia and,
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and i'm curious if you could tell us why we see history being such a useful political tool for pretend i think this was because, of course, as the dictates and he's unable to rely on popular legitimacy received free debate, so history is another way of obtaining legitimacy. and this is actually quite a typical way of rushing me disclaiming legitimacy. going back to the romanovs who just to find that moving often the time of trouble is by saying that they were linked. there were a cabbage students, the which looks by the kids in groups. they team 12 restaurant is especially interesting because that's the 1st grade teacher to call the 2nd grade teacher, or of course being what we would call low point 2. and it's also interesting because he clearly states, we know what happens to foreign invaders who come to our country, but of course, he's talking about nato so which is in the country. if you crane, which is very much, no rush, it's got no russian territory. so it's also an interesting insight into his
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ideological view, which brings me back to the question, which is, why is history so important as a tool is much more than a tool that space, a contributing and complicating factor behind pretends well on your kind brushes, war and ukraine, i'm present or impossible obsession with ukraine, which is the importance of ukraine to russian restoring. it's apparently in his view dissolved position in the globe load. i'm curious, i put in as comments they are backed by some recent russian successes on the battlefields in ukraine. how much do you think that is helping him politically at the moment? slow and i think it of course encourages him as well. i mean, lots of people listening to today's address. so is the very, very didn't to view, but i can't help but think having just got back from dumbass and having being very near the front. but actually we also have a very versed in to view of what's happening here. ukraine is running out of man.
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ukraine is running outside munitions. nobody really knows if the a package in washington will cost. and if it doesn't, it's going to leave russian a very strong position, sir. yeah, some of his comments where he was confident the point of hubristic, but whether or not he is not justified in and having these positions that remains to be seen on various i'd say 35 at elections are also coming up in russia in less than 2 weeks, i'm curious when you look at how poor to is presenting himself ahead of these, how important the war in ukraine is for him versus the domestic social issues. for example. well, what's very interesting is at home in terms of the election campaigning. the focus is very much on what we've been cooperative about the issues. and this is a less than that they learn from the original elections that took place last year. because 1st of all, they went very hard in terms of the messaging on or read. it will harrison's both special minute shop is of course, and you know,
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references the heroism and the warranty cream. and it really was not resonating with states as people were not responding to the point to talk about, you know, issues such as inflation, food prices and so on. and so then the messaging changed to be more aligned to that . and there is much more of a domestic coast, which is interesting because in general, russian news is normally characterized by its intense increase on what's happening elsewhere in the world. and why everywhere else in the world is rubbish. that doesn't really matter. refresher is rubbish as well. mm hm. and we also saw fulton in his speech speaking at some length about the declining population in russia. why do you think this is such an important topic to him? so i think it's part of that broad ideological element. so the idea of rusher is a country traditional values that has about 5 and leave at casa, authentic t on like, you know, the last, the liberal west. i find it hard to believe that he does truly care about russian democracy. very because if he did, there's a very easy way to fix it,
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which would be to stop sending tens of thousands of men to the store to say that perhaps they could stay home and, and make babies instead of that money that's being spent on the war. machinery and on killing. no man, let's learn ukrainians. could instead be invested into making conditions easier to feel comedies. so i have to see it as an ideological element because it doesn't appear that you do have increases, for example, in the tennessee payments. for example, it doesn't, it doesn't really tale, you know, warm away seems to wind. well, thank you so much for joining us with your insight that has j mclinn from kings college london. we really appreciate your time. thank you. let's turn to hong kong where legislators are preparing to pass a controversial security law. they've been criticized for its effect on human rights. the laws long been demanded by china, central government in beijing,
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which has increasingly asserted its authority on the island of hong kong. in recent years, mazda of street protests in earlier years stopped the government from implementing the law known as article 20 for provision in hong kong constitution. but with many opposition activists in jail or an exile is expected to pass through parliament easily. let's take a look at exactly what article 23 entails. so the new law would be part of hong kong as many constitution, which is separate from that if the chinese mainland, article $23.00 requires hong kong to suppress, to send and threats to the government. the new law contains broad provisions against treason, insurrection, espionage, and destructive activities endangering national security and external interference . human rights advocates say it dramatically undermines due process and fair trial rights. the moment that changed everything, july 1st, 1997 when britain handed over hong kong to china,
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which promised to respect the principle of one country to systems. that method hall could enjoy many of the democratic freedoms they'd had under british rule. under hong kong it's own mini constitution. but in 2003, beijing tried to introduce security laws under article 23 of that mini constitution . hundreds of thousands of people took to the street test and the proposal was withdrawn. in 2014 a civil disobedience movement arose, pushing for more democratic organizers, fear that the police might track down and everyone has to stay. highly alert, riley has been peaceful. but now to your guys and plastic bullets have been transferred to the government headquarters. the us a soon after the police forcefully cleared protest caps and the government did not relent. setting the stage for future classes with democracy activists. 5
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years later, another series of widespread protests sparked by a proposal to extradite criminal suspects. the mainland china was met with a harsh police response. no one is the upgrade. we have more and more angry. you never know what the government will put on this. i'm, i'm just worried about the problem. rather than answering the protesters, demands the following year, beijing impose the new national security law, the defined many anti government efforts as the session and subversion and assigned life sentences for many of those so called crimes. that was it for many of hong kong pro democracy activists. dozens of opposition leaders were arrested, along with journalists and ordinary citizens. others went into exile. independent media was silenced, phasing signal that it had fully taken over in 2022 when jeez and ping arrived in
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hong kong to swear. and john lee, as the territory is chief executive or the ceremony happened on july 1st 25 years to the day after the british hand over to service, lee has said that the new security legislation is a priority and with the opposition vanquished, he's likely to get his wish i'd like to bring in a sunny tongue, a pro democracy activist who has left hong kong to seek asylum in the united states . he joins me now from washington. d. c. thank you so much for taking the time. i understand that one of the concerns over the new security law is that some of the crimes, particularly in relation to state secrets are vague. are you worried about how these might be enforced? yes, i personally. oh, i'm sorry. i was worried about the definition of that, just because of my specifications and the way he will be insult because the legislation propose a top 10, broad and face addition multiplication,
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disability from china is needles. being brook create and challenges on coming last system and raising, i'm also concerned about the role shouldn't alter ego certainty and traditionally dependent post i'll send you says like espionage. a stacy, chris has mentioned and be personally defined, increasing amounts of recess, football and businesses and intensifying control over you formation with implications for due diligence and freedom of expression. in addition to concerns for businesses operating there are there already indications of, of how this law might be applied. something like the law, the law about espionage of what that could mean. for example, for activists in hong kong. all right, so under the current proposal, i skim last cruise most of the options, ne, collecting the information to uh,
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so for any people that are useful to add external thoughts. and that is fair. we allow me because um, one problems to what, when you pass these back, they often combust these kind of life of due diligence for their automation. get home call. so when, as well, and we've dealt with cim, casita, got you all a painting information that can be useful for external falls and also like we feel some social situation and you cannot make situation in the china and hong kong. and you can actually pass approved. and you can use them cases and models. we see that actually china scuffling has weighed many fall on, on a piece in the city offices. that's creation i most of the uncertainty and concern . i'm a bit upset. and so, compared to when you left hong kong a few years back, you know what, what is the, what is the atmosphere like they're at today under, under the possibility of this taking effect? i believe i'm the one strive and civil society in hong kong west hallway. they
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don't call due to depressed down. and the article tried to free. and the previous a message was that people, especially in the feeder will actually i'm not all on social social, social groups like i'm medias on so being dismantled, due to depression. and only a handful of po task can be old. the nice, you know, home home under the scrutiny of the uncle police force. so this the freedom of expression and of freedom of us, that'd be, i'm not actually protected home right now. and that's actually pretty mellow. solve a multi sure to how to help them. government can implement this small uh, without checking boxes. so it seems like there's been only a handful of protests. is that, is that because you think there is less opposition to this law in hong kong because it has been more muted. and what we have seen in years previously or is best assign of the times. sure, if any manufacturer of my,
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i'm now actually the person behind the ball and personally i'm not also get mixed up. so the whole, the whole opposition and home home on the being like problem. i know. so the, i, you know, you can pushing or you mix on. so i would say when the opposition is not being paid using home home. so we cannot expect a home phone talk to him and he'll pull themselves are comfortable when he comes to you come into this kind of a nationalist, have people, especially a piece, the factual on chinese house. try me, stuck them and understand the measurements of it. so if you're speaking to an international audience here, so just before i let you go, i'd like to ask, what do you think western democracies and asian democracies like japan and south korea can do here? do they have any sway? i mean, i think there are like 2 layers of face, right? so of course, i mean try to, i'm whole just trying to escape from an all government accountable for their all
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foundation of the one country through the system. and i'm resting so many a political prisoners right on. on the other hand, i will say patient democracy, electric pad, stop career, or you can stop east asian countries. you have to concede to actually, you have to do. we support china. different on the fairly unstable economic situation and how tiny scotsman is increasingly adopting a put them back to national security understanding uh domestically. so i think this is a very strong signal for them to try to buy for a supply supply chain, a business involvement in order to minimize the weight with i'm doing businesses with china. democracy activists, sunny chung, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us. thank you. the now gone as a new anti eligibilities to plus legislation has drawn international condemnation
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with united nations, calling it profoundly disturbing under the new law, the promotion, even the promotion of rights will be punished with up to 5 years in prison. same sex relations are already illegal. in gonna activists, i've described this new law as a nother set back for human rights. as someone who knows about the difficulties of life and gone are for queer people is musician and activist. maxine inc, angel poco also just known as angel. maxine, she is gone, his 1st open we transgender musician and she thinks about algae due to q plus rights. the very pleased to welcome her into the studio here for more. thank you so much for joining us. you know, how did you feel when you heard the results that the parliament had passed this legislation?
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i failed investigated. ellis had broken. i haven't slipped. it's, it's, it's, it's painful to know that's your life as a human being is being criminalized the life you've always struggled for the life you've always struggled to leave you having to leave a decent life as any other human being. it's now being criminalized, it was very hard for me. and this is one of the topics that you, you think about in your music. i, it's become increasingly political over the years, much of it voicing anger at the government and gonna keep, could you tell us a little bit more about your work and the risk and it puts you out at to make music like this. so my wife awesome. after this is to speak for people who cannot speak, and i am the voice of the community llc each because i do my songs and those people have gone to understand the struggles that the community are going through. and my lyrics and the folks on my live experiences as a trust woman as
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a given you have given you trouble as it made you a target and gone out for the government. yes. that as meeting me, it's like it's always coming out to call them the option is always coming out to us to i'm not talking them, but i'm just telling them that we as list and we have been here and we have lived with you don't present. i said we were in the we a here and this a cell on voice. and it's us puts me in the lot of the danger in gun. now, this bill not only criminalizes queer relationships, but it also targets those who are even just supporting l g b t q writes. what do you expect that we might see in gonna if this bill is indeed signed by the president? if the bill is signed by the president, they'll be increase in valez in gun. and a lot of people will be that this already fall is going on in gun already. people
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are being attacked every day. people i've been beaten every day, the slow months going on every day in gun and is going to give people the freedom and deliberately, to talk with people because they feel about this free. it's, it's, it's, it's legal and it's ok to abuse. anybody who wants to because the 3 of us and all the rights have been taken from them. and this is what the deal is see. and you think that will happen to just be because it is legal that people will feel that they want to go out and attack clear people. are you worried about that is not even legal in gonna and people have already seen people up. so just abuse them to just human list and so block and build into bits that so this is going to same what they are doing. now. why do think that this bill has so much support in gonna what is what is behind these attitudes toward the clear community? so we, we want to say again that is, i really just country and,
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and growing up we are told that as a month and a woman and the i know or the human bees. but as we go off, we realize that the people who are also out the bus, we are not given the opportunity to, to, to love and understand this. people in a substitute. so it's, it's, it's, it's, it's very difficult, like for people to on the fund and that's, that's, that's this people as this. let's show them love this, show them. okay. let's, let's embrace them as human beings as we. uh, so this is yes. thank you so much for joining us with this message. we really appreciate you taking the time to come into the studio today as angel. maxine, thank you to and we can leave you with a nice bit of news. we end with a success story from snow. we scandinavia scientists in norway have a boost of the numbers of rare arctic foxes. climate change had left the endangered species struggling to find enough to eat and the wild population was down to just
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about 40 foxes. but feeling stations have lifted the count to more than 500 without the program, the animals were facing extinction. but the researchers are warning also, but it is still too early to say for sure that the species has been saved to and to that was the day you can follow our team on social media at dw news, i'm not clear of reports. if just the latest headlines you are looking for, there is always our website, dw, dot com, or you can find this on youtube to for me. team, thank you so much for watching the,
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