it adds, it's all about saying it's loud as you guys would have being nosy de la. good. everyone to king check out the award winning called called the called back the presidential elections in russia of the usual full gun conclusion with nothing left to chalk. not even the death in jail as the leading opposition figure. i'll explain the valley whose name postern couldn't bring himself to speak. my guest is the russian commentary to andre kalashnikov, who heads for economy. he rush, are you ready? just center in moscow. was the found the such a serious threat to put in the regime because he had to be killed even to be in prison. that when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field about the same time, quite mighty, and way to compress it for, for the parts of the population. because of that, it was important to, let's see,

eliminate him from the political fuel. so what's it like to live with a government that kills its political opponents, unseen from moscow? why the sub space of warnings, by nato officials, about a russian attack over the next few years. what does a know we done? on the right color slick of welcome to complex on excellence. it's much, it's time for presidential elections in russia of letting me put in once a 5th time. that'd be my post and always gets what he wants is this is close to absolute power as it gets in russia. yes. so this is one more step to choose actual power. but so when we ask yourself, where was this 20 points for she seems as a decrease of michigan mostly because development of history june was somewhere in the year 2020. when she told the referendum about some of the med,

most of the constitution, but the main think about 0 and copious prison essential terms. and now she is over to the president. and the after is that all the doors were open for any steps. functions sites like to this war of february 22, 22 unfortunately of no other means the same year 2020 it doesn't have much to do with democracy. it doesn't these elections, even mr. perkins spokesman, dimitri pest golf told the new york times last year, a presidential election isn't really a democracy. it's a costly bureaucracy. so why bother with this show? because so this one more attempt to, to demonstrate to the majority of the rough can population that they, they are still the majority, which is obedience, indifference and ready to continue to accept the pretense initiatives

and the system ports and events. minority minority is a must understand that they are still minorities as they can to influence. and i think is this country because we have a majority which is in flash which supports proteins. so nothing to do with this political system. we can't change. and i think because of that, so this election starts to know significant is the same times as this one more really rounds aflac. why not to, to repeat this kind of really into refresher as a legitimacy or for you to correct oh, credible candidates of being eliminated way before the polling stations opened bar? it's not just in the anti war candidate. he was disqualified by the states because some traction for awhile. was he a, a threat? was he didn't that's right. the edition was squares attracted to the public who was

liberal views. and you're down in the rushes or millions of people who are sharing to liberal pro the critic pro western the anti portion of the vision of the world. and because of that, in addition was kind of a fault for this people wednesday sun and it's pushing it and it was understandable that's a criminal decide. it's not till ocean to participate because she puts it undermines the feeling of absolutes, consolidation around putting in a case or getting i don't know, 56, given 10 percent. uh, man into it quick means that to pretend he's not the only one who is so who deserves the support and there are people with the enter your agenda not to mention that and zip case. and i didn't include demonstrates enter your agenda via television. and the code says shake because of use. so for the majority,

which is still not connected to the tv set. so, so with no, they decided not to not to risk you from that slide risk. i'm alexa in the bottom, a dad and a prison camp in the arctic circle. was he ever really electro threat to prove to or was it that he and others like him? we're never going to be allowed to get anywhere near that status. the only didn't have an opportunity to participate in the legal political process. but so when she does participate in the year 2013 during moscow's mayor's elections, he was extremely efficient. astonishingly efficient for kremlin. and after that, they decided to not to allow him to participate in any kind of like options. so if it was a real threat to pushing them to some moments. so moment to the means that pasta the whole political process reduced, busy. now this is fine between the and the fall knee and approach him.

and is that sense even being can prison? that when it was a threat to pretend that competitor maybe invisible, you know the information to feel about the same time, quite mighty and square to compress it for, for the parts of the population. and because of that, it was important for them to let's see, eliminate him from the political field. do you by the story that he was about to be swapped for a kayla. so having time in germany, do you by that story? of we don't know the truths maybe will know nowadays, but it looks like blow simple story and in that sense, simple, it wasn't requested dance that she was, let's say maybe killed maybe by some maybe something else. so we have to wait

for some results. so for his team or research true, maybe is the gym to clear up some good deals. and i found his family is pretty clear and his colleagues are pretty clear that the state did kill him. you wouldn't seriously argue with that, would you? i would say likely. so the experience of this regime demonstrates that it's as possible. let's remember as a case of st policy or in any other cases and put in the several times to repeat it and you're anxious, courier, that's my pets, realty color oriented, or again, since people do that, but these and because of that among people with uh, let's say liberal views, there is no doubt. that's nobody put the keels. uh no, no, we don't have a conclusive evidence of it so,

but the feeling is very strong. comp, russian civil society. we know that they tried and failed to kill him back in 2020 and we know because the millions listened to a government assassin describing his previously unsuccessful attempt to kill him about me. little realizing that he was actually talking to him about the i'm being recorded by him at the time. so nobody's going to believe any government denials of a underscore. uh you know, which means what do we mean by nobody to because of the majority still prefers to believe freedom, main unofficial version or prefer us not to think about this. the horrible story? yes. a lot of russians they didn't know about the poisonings. they didn't know what the does us know what all names it in this camp near arctic circle. but

the majority prefers not to boulder itself. uh, uh, not to pay too much attention to, to this for us in order to keep for themselves mentally normal. um this of tomorrow, but the majority prefers not to know anything about uh, like, uh, uh cuz you know, if he's still with his does so, so to read cetera. and because of that, that's more about belief with disbelief amongst people with the normal view space, a democratic fused record vibe from a lawyer at the human rights group. memorial said if they could kill nevada on the baker, kill anybody else. if he's right, where does all this and all the killings all the political prisoners. why does this and i know the real threat is to political prisoners. i'm sure

we don't have a political position in the proper sense of civil worth right now because of a higher level of depressions. kyra's in the, in names a substitute new new orleans of last year or so for his existence. and i, i, i would say that unfortunately, for instance, people like to let him know cut them. it was a, or, yeah, yes. and could be under threats, but not everyone in dissidence community, but uh, the main of the most local people from mazda political, a position, because barto was a political position as a broad sub parts. so for the looters are in prison. so for people who are in prison, so there is a real threat. i think unfortunately, you spoke of the found this funeral about moral resistance among the population, people carrying flowers and candles to his memorials. how much of that moral resistance is left in russia?

uh, i guess transit schwartz moral because as i said, political position isn't so efficient right now. and this is more about a moral resistance and about political resistance. this people can fight as they don't want to find the full power. they don't have fully addresses, they don't have organizations which are totally liquidated by the regime. even small in jewels about the dose of the most rates as a funeral and around it didn't go straight to that. this civil society still here with lots of different societies such which is very different. so i'm passive and the full of confirm is and civil society, the society of responsible citizens who us to who for the best, who was a country whore in a permanent order. because of this war, they demonstrated that they are here. it was actually

a route step for people club for who were going to to the funeral because of the, the face recognition system is working and sometimes policemen are coming to to the plants. so it was this people after a different kind of events, wolf funerals like the link flowers as a man, as a place, as of man, there we go for political repression, so cetera, et cetera. so if you want to see the so civil society of the russia we can overcome, for instance, a website over the in for with the concrete statistics about persecutions, about criminal prosecutions, administrative persecutions, extension useful persecution. spent a lot of examples of these kind of problems for russian citizens, but she resist civil society, which is still ready to resist. and i'm ready to at least to

think of all the constitution, think about so as a responsibility, collective responsibility you, you talked about values, legacy. i'd like to know how long you think it will last. isn't it inevitable that as the years go by, that will be less and less opposition morrow or real refreshing work stuff and it repressions efficient? yes. for business work bonds at the same time? no. this fatigue from room is also sheer. and in a case of mine, they're successful for a civil society and demonstration of what to use. uh, some people are hesitating corpus difficult for me says they can't share the view sofa. and this actually, if a single society activities, so in that sense or actually isn't hopeless and i think it was just like and so the attempts were when minerals people were ready for changes the wind guard,

which of course, when government were much referred to, could the power ends as being a bunch of population is also ready for changes, but so, you know, in current circumstances, kind of a single though most came from the very top. and the was out a change in the 1st person, i guess. so the serious changes in russia are impossible. veteran now, extraordinary efforts and you've outlined some of them to, to clamp down on even the slightest infractions of this expanding penal code that they authorize. keep adding to we hear of teachers in schools reporting a 10 to 11 year old pupils to the security police books, a band people arrested on the metro because they were reading something. but the fellow passengers didn't like every case pursued with the utmost vigor and brutality. and i suppose my question is, is the state really that is secure about its hold on paul and its people?

you know, it's smarter. bells cell development of russian style. all sorts here is my would say this is not simply in a sort of terrorism. is this more about a name? it's high, but it's a failed to it. and it's the same utilitarianism because the state is trying to infiltrate into all this for yourselves. a private plan for people you to want it wants to control, for instance, theaters repair to ours. uh, uh, book markets, libraries, etc, etc. but nevertheless, this societies mother in license, this is for the well educated society and people are trying to keep for the private space to see more on more or less normal situation. and it looks us to print it's some, some movies are pretty cool with appear in this such a strange hospitality or in space. so yeah. is there a difference?

the threats like denunciations from your competitor else, but nevertheless, it is still, it is still civil society and i can repeat it as not so hopeless and get the chance survives this period. but the, the space of deliberate to you for freedom, it's in that range. this is through, but if you wants to do something, you can try. and some people are trying to, to write to articles to be vocal, to, to, to talk, at least to talk about the constitution. it's, it's not sales or it's not helped. is it by the fact that so many ordinary citizens appeared willing to inform on each other on their colleagues and their families and their friends? how destructive is that to the fabric of russian society destroys trust on the

yes it's true as to the trust is not so the strong side of the society is a trust each other. but some people simply prefer not to talk with unknown persons . they prefer to talk to canal, so they are trying not to be so vocal sitting in congress for instance, to say prefer not to discuss political issues. this is true. but you know, it's the same time uh again who, who wants to resist can try to do it. for instance, if there is such a new magazine, which was initiated by the nova, laura, it's a mr. moore auto for is a title going to be in a corporation, was the trip foundation. and this is one of the attempts to, to, to, to, to create something to you,

even in the circumstances. there was some problems with this magazine, but it is still in the fields. so why not to transfer this whole thing? and uh this it's, it's a, it's contribute. so something like hope for the future. when we talk about hope, let's also talk about the war in ukraine, which has of course, exacerbated the repression level. good cough leading russian sociologist says there's a high degree of support for the war highest among the educated and the educated in moscow does not surprise you. yes, uh, is there a lot of surprising stories, especially in the field of mess, psychology and meso silver chain. and uh, you know, this is all about people who are afraid of changing their life. so they are trying to avoid problems with themselves. which means that as a full flip, say,

double thinking of a pretending the ward doesn't exist. so they can to avoid the mentioning fee to thinking about it. so that's a trying not to do it publicly. maybe is the same people, but who they want to continue as a career, as for instance, in the university. so something like that. but as a private spacing, their quizzes selected to us. and so we have time so they can discuss freely the current situation with the core, with the some assessments which are not public. let's see, this is more about privates assessments private life. so this is more about double thinking, you said recent pay that pretend as make clear russia is fighting a permanent background war with the west. best argument gives his image ration on his way to maintain power. does put in one fact war in your view.

oh yes, she wants me. she's the main initiator, i'm sure is that since this personal list decreasing put in was the main source of of this war was this idea a legit which justifies for the russian id was a national land, nationalistic and imperialistic ideas. the very archives and the bills to the, to do, to tradition, send us spiritual values, etc, etc. and she must in advance of the goal for the society. so this is not co municipal capitalism. and they invented some kremlin, uh, this permanent for was the best, the best was also taking us. so we must defense our sales. and even though we're expansion expansions, this is kind of, this is more about defense. and uh, but the reason the reports re, so i'm sorry to interrupt you,

reset the intelligence reports in the west of suggested russia. it intends to double the number of its troops on the border with the baltic states and finland. and people have spoken. officials, government officials in several countries have spoken of the fact that that could possibly be, i'm attacked by russia on the nato countries over the next few years. how plausible do think about these things. this is because p r o to be so then to, to, to, to, to look, so mighty, so impressive. uh, uh, and i guess he wants to create, i am, she's a political philosophies. this is a part of russian for sure. and she wants to return and strengthen as he says, so this territories. and she doesn't care about voltage stays for the length or, or pulled this as a loop service. in my opinion,

she will not have enough resources for one more flank, one more front. uh, she simply wants to continue. this permanent poor was the best as a goal for the society, but at the same time, in the practical terms and apply it to her. and she doesn't want to, to take the, for instance, baltic stays because it will mean the real world was native. it would be much more serious. that's just sort of a tuition that was your brain. doesn't need to look weak to russia to put in. um not so we could but to what was this very majority. it was a society which in looks like a strong man. chloe cruise equal to to tomato. nice. so it's more of those that you mature for the main enemy. united states of america nathan, in europe is kind of as such a line to of uh, of nato in the ends of united states. you said last month that despite all the new,

clear se but rattling, but we've heard from fulton, they don't want the afraid of nuclear war. what makes you so sure of that held as they are not so as you settled, they must understand that. so even the use of the technical uh, ukes uh, could be suicidal for uh for, for the region for the country. uh they want to leave for they want to enjoy this life and because of that. so yes, so these uh, nuclear black mailing fees square, it's impressive and quite effective as it is quite effective because it's present in fact to prevents as the west from giving the sophisticated weapons to you, correct? yes. as a problem for actually. so that's a very conversations that talk about the nuclear, where it became such a light. my talk, we can do it. why not? this is a main danger to proceed. so the domestic public so that it is possible. this is

a danger of furniture story and wrote recently that society is like russia, autocracies don't bend, but they can break. do you believe that after all russia has broken, the soviet union broke up. the button wall came down, communism was denounced as a failed experiment. under what circumstances do you think russia could conceivably come apart? now? you know, when we're talking about this, the future ends, the behavior of our lights. uh, they're behaving like that. according to the drover up in order to look after us as it is the slots and in that sense they hold. this is a have enough resources to continue this work until the physical end of uh, putting them to his team. but uh, is there a services group digital,

if it's the next generation of for petitions, they will have to take responsibility for the country for the european security. and this as an interest of the west coast call and interest mutual interest of the russians. the west said to have a new generation of people who can recreate discounts for you from 0 this summer full come because the resources i'm not to the terminal. so the bills are full. russia that's valid. like saying the value you talked about does exist somewhere down the line and you'll view it exists in the, in the soul southern brain. so for protein mccrae to russians as they are here and those they will be ready for changes when the time will count. i'm very classic of thank you very much for being on comforting, so thank you. thank you for having me here. the

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