in the us house of representatives patch legislation that gives tick tock and ultimatum culture ties to china or be cut out of the american market. altogether. i bring golf and berlin. this is the day the we're on a cold war with china and some of my colleagues want to ignore this back. but i disagree with this approach and build that can impact 170000000 americans to use take talk. our intention is for tick tock to continue to operate, but not under the control of the chinese communist party. a state wide tick tock band has already been caused by a federal judge on 1st amendment ground issued being alarmed every tick, tock, user. there is no reason why the chinese communist party should be in control of an app that can access information on a users phone. also coming up, groundbreaking,

unprecedented history making the european parliament today took action to protect people from artificial intelligence. and to protect a eye from itself is never good or bad. the same algorithm can be used to boost type of offer as well as do cancer detection. so it's all about what does the use case the eyes use for and who is using a lot of innovation comes from small startups. and so the more regulation we put, the less the innovation of and see from the small companies, which our viewers watching on cbs in the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome. we begin today in the us where the days could be numbered for tick tock. on wednesday, lawmakers in the us house of representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill that could band the social media platform if it refuses to sever all ties to the chinese government. lawmakers both republicans and democrats, every just concerns about trying his ability to access tick tock, user data via the platforms,

chinese parent company by dance saying that this could pose a threat to national security. and the legislation now goes to the us senate wherever and faces an uncertain future. however, us president biden says if presented with the bill, he will signed into law check talks. future in the united states is in jeopardy. the us house of representatives has given its owner by dance and ultimatum divest from the app within 6 months or risk of ban across all us devices approved by the house. the bill now goes to the senate, where it's fate is on certain. it's a rare occasion where a piece of legislation has strong bi partisan support as well as opposition. any ban on tip top is not just banning the freedom of expression. you're literally causing huge hard to our national economy. we have small business owners that are here as small business owners from across the country.

they used to talk an estimated 170000000, tick tock users are based in the us. it's reach as part of the reason why intelligence officials are concerned. the head of the f, b i n c, i a have warned that china could use it to influence us public opinion and that it could compel by hand to hand over data on its use or is it you're getting? there have been no reports of beijing having done this, but the possibility of it happening has prompted lawmakers to take action by dance denies any connection to the chinese government. china is warning the us, but the band will come back to bite it. president biden, who joined the app last month. he says he will sign the band if it passes the senate and ends up on his desk. it would take talk, responded immediately to the us houses, the colleen legislation in out white van, here's house, minority leader, hockey and jeffreys. i don't support

a band on tick tock. the legislation did not band tick tock. it's simply a, the rest of your of tick tock so that this social media platform can be owned by an american company that would protect the data and the privacy of the american consumer from malignant for an interest like the chinese communist party. for more now, i'm joined by lindsey gorman. she is a senior fellow for emerging technologies at the alliance for securing democracy. she is in washington dc where she joins me tonight. it's good to see you again. let's just talk about what happened today. the us house passing this legislation. do you for see the us senate doing the same? yeah, it's good to see you to i think the us senate will be definitely less of a foregone conclusion than the house. it might take a little bit more time. but there are some encouraging signals. today the chairman

and ranking member of the house and tell her the of the senate intelligence committee came out in support of the bill. the bind administration has said that the president will sign the bill if it passes the senate. so there does seem to be a ground swell of support, even as, as, as you noted and from, from people like representative jeffreys who do not support a ban on tick tock. this is a, this is a measured response and so i think, well, we'll see what happens. there is a good chance that this makes it through you as president by this is that he will signs of legislation into law if it makes it to his desk. and you know, that struck me when i, when i heard that today, because the white house just a month ago, joint tick tock. how do you explain that? i mean, that sounds like you're talking on both sides of your mouth. they are mr. president . it sounds that way a bit and i, but i would, i would say that it wasn't, but the white house story to talk. it was the buying campaign, the drawing,

tick tock, which i think to many read does a distinction without a difference. but in terms of federal law, on these boundaries, it is somewhat different in that that this is a campaign activity, not a sudden executive branch activity. but while i'm heartened by is that despite the campaign being on tech talk, it does seem like the administration is still willing to pursue aggressive action to resolve the national security for the government visit. don't you agree? it looks even worse though, for a and official campaign to join take talk as opposed to the white house itself. i mean, you know, we hear all the, you know, fits what 2016, about 4 in interference and us elections in here. you have, you know, by joining tick tock saying that and he'll sign the walter to ban and if he gets yeah, i don't think it's great that the buying campaign is on tick tock despite the fact that the administration clearly recognizes it as a national security threat i'm hopeful that the campaign, like many americans,

will be able to continue to use the platform once these national security issues are resolved through a defense that you are cuz it's clearly a popular platform is clearly something that political candidates want to use to reach voters. we just have to deal with these abstract inquiry concerns so you can carry on not. yeah, and take talking belongs to a chinese company um bite dance. chinese companies we know are required by law in china to supply the government with any and all information if it is requested. this is really what congress finds disturbing, isn't it? to that's right, and that's part of it though i think the other part of it is, it's important to remember that in china there really is no such thing as a private company in the united states and in europe when other democracies were accustomed to seeing the separation between companies and the government and china, ultimately, all companies are implemented at the state. and so, yes, we're talking about the data risk, but really i think what's coming up even more clearly now in this conversation of

this past week, is the influence of propaganda. and the ability to target american voters and voters around the world with content to influence their views on candidates on elections, and on public opinion. what you're talking about is maybe subliminal psych ops being executed or aimed at the american public by a company that happens to, you know, be owned by a chinese company that answers to the chinese communist party. i mean, that is, that's a huge deal when you think of it that way. right? that's exactly right. and it's not us the radical risk. and we, we saw in united states very clearly what russia did, using facebook and russia did not have a controlling interest. i had no ownership of facebook, it was still able to succeed. imagine a rush. i had own facebook back in 2016 and it's, it's, it's in its actions in europe even before 2016. and we already do have evidence of,

of china interested in meddling and us elections, particularly when a chinese this event has been on the ballot. so this is not a theoretical risk, and it's just to re a tool to hand over to an autocratic power whose interests are degrading the us position in the world. well, what about these us big tech companies platforms? i'm thinking of facebook and twitter used to be x, i mean, they still exist. these are u. s. companies, but have, do we have regular regulation in place to ensure that they are not used by, for example, russia again to influence the outcome of an election? i mean, it's easy to point our finger at china, but are we looking in the mirror? and i think a lot of people would say that we're not looking in the mirror enough and they might be right. and it's true that facebook and twitter and many of these platforms have taken major strides to crack down on foreign influence activity on their platforms. and every month, every couple of months, we hear about

a take down of chinese accounts or russian accounts on facebook on, on twitter, coordinated and authentic behavior that is rooted out by the platform. and that's encouraging. i think there's still definitely a threat there, but the key difference is that mark locker berg as far as we know, is not taking orders from the chinese communist party. yeah, that's a very good point to make. you know, you and i have talked over the last couple years about attempts to regulate a social media. what do you make about with this legislation? i mean, this legislation was present in what just a couple of weeks ago, a few weeks ago. i mean, it's made it to the, the vote in the house very quickly. is this political washington waking up to the responsibilities that you and i talked about 2 or 3 years ago that seemed to have been neglected in washington in some sense. yes, i don't think this is, anyone sees this as a bill, that's a panacea to solve all the problems of social media. it is very, very narrowly targeted to dealing with tick tock by dance,

and potentially other or an adversary controlled autocratic apps. so this is not wide scale social media regulation. let's be clear that said, i do think this question on tick. tock has been brewing for a very long time, and that's driving some of the expediency i think that we're seeing with which this bill has been able to pass the house and were received uh 500 boat out of committee in the manner of about a week this is a part of bipartisan initiative, one of the signature initiatives coming out of the house, select committee on the ccp. and so i think we're in because we're in the election year, there's that extra added urgency where we want to do something together. we want to do something by partisan, and the reality is people are starting to use take talk to talk about the 2024 election in the us, and that's a problem that needs to be solved right away. very good point. lindsey gorman with the alliance for securing democracy in washington, dc is always good talking with we appreciate the analysis. thank you. likewise,

thanks for having me. now to this side of the atlantic european union, lawmakers today approved the world's 1st ever legal framework on governing artificial intelligence. we move the active supporters say that it aims to protect you citizens from the risk posed by the technology or at the same time promoting agreement. a i innovation 8 by on the european continent. and it's been about 5 years in the making. and it could be seen as president making for countries struggling to control a i's. rapid advance is close, or i'll be talking to an expert on artificial intelligence of just a moment. the 1st this report explain what it is and why it's proponent, say it has the power to revolutionize the world. and while others say it brings great risk as well. whenever computers do jobs, the previously required human intelligence, we speak of artificial intelligence,

i crops up in many phones from the algorithms that decide what we see on social media to programs we use to generate text or images or software that helps doctors to spot cancer. an x rays, but it can also be used to supercharge this information online, or enables surveillance on an unprecedented level. so many countries are looking to regulate artificial intelligence. europe is leading the way. there are fundamentally 2 sides to the debate. many developers are concerned about having too much regulation. we need to make sure that'd be done overrides related right now, because that will hinder innovation. so awesome as was that helps found the german, hey i association, which represents some $400.00 companies. i is never good about the same, i agree with them can be used to those type of offer as well as through cancer detection. so it's all about what is the use case. the eyes use for and who is using a lot of the innovation comes from small startups. and so the more regulation we

put, the less the innovation of it see from the small companies. but while the opportunities of a i a vast. so with the risks, and that's the other side of the debate. digital rights advocates want top rules to mitigate the risks, the artificial intelligence, machine learning and all these. let's a complex complex algorithms and data sets. are jeff placate the biases? that's v humans have a systems used in recruitment, for example, have been shown to be biased against women. facial recognition technology has been proven to be less accurate for people of color with people being arrested for crimes. they never committed, and algorithms used to by public authorities have wrongly accused thousands of families of welfare fraud. so, you know, make, is a seeking to balance both sides of the argument. their answer regulate a i systems according to their level of risk when the risk. so limited, like when

a high is used to fill the emails for spam, only a few rules apply, but for potentially life changing applications like deciding which students qualify for higher education, the rules will be strict to some applications will be benz completely. the aim is to reap the benefits of a i while limiting its risks. i know i want to pull in daniel permit here. he's the executive director and the care center for a i risk and impacts any joints is from san from cisco. daniel, it's good to have you with this. do you think this artificial intelligence act? does it tackle the, the biggest risk that a i pose is the people in the you, i mean, is this a day that the world, particularly europeans, should be celebrate? thanks for having me. yeah, i think so. it, it tackle service that we're facing today, at least when it comes to a i, i'm not sure it will get us all the way to

a i safety forever. i think more will need to solve it. but assessing in a historical day to day. this is, as he just said, the world's 1st comprehensive se aggregation and i think it turned out surprisingly well. it's not perfect, but the, you did a pretty good job here. i think it at a big reconciling, defend needs and requirements that different stakeholder groups had. so there was a need for innovation, we need to stay competitive as, as europeans. but we also one safety and we don't want to compromise on that. and i think a lot of that does a good job with that. well, what talk me through this and help us understand exactly how are people being pre texted now by what was past today are right, so, um, originally the, this law, the act was conceived of as a purely sort of a user focused r r. i use specific law, so there are a lot of different rules for a i in medicine, a i, in law and a,

i know all these very different specific sectors. and you know, you can argue about whether in some cases it's a bit of older regulation or on the regulation. but i think overall it's a clear commitment to protecting users and the you. and then i think we've been very clever as your kids to also add later on rules for general purpose models. and so these are the g p, t, the chats, if he's of this world, this is how i have been taking the world by storm. and we added rules for these general models that don't really fit in any of these use categories because they're so general and so broad, they're very potent. and that means they can also lead to a lot of risks because they're so strong and putting. and i think it's great that the act has binding requirements for the developers of these general models as what you used to speak of over regulation. i'm sure you would be suspicious of anyone who is out right now saying that this is over regulation,

because this is actually the 1st attempt at any regulation of a i. and i'm wondering because of this is, is big tech in your opinion, likely to comply with these regulations, or do you use for see big tech trying to find loopholes in ways to circumvent the regulations? oh, i mean, i certainly think i expect them to, to try and look for ways to, you know, keep the compliance costs as much as possible for them. um, but they're going to have a hard time because there's an, as you said, is binding. it's, it's hard law now, and if it's companies are not going to comply with it, they will have to pay signs. so yes, i expect so both overall efforts to compliance, but also the big tech and companies in general has it's kind of natural for them to to look for a new pulse. a lot will come down now to the implementation phase. that is basically beginning now. so that means translating

a fairly high level language of the law as it's been passed into very concrete and detailed standards to tell companies exactly what they have to comply with. and i think we need to make sure that the standard setting face this implementation face that's coming now, goes well, so only on the 1st half of the, of the homework that we've done. and there's more to come. yeah, it's definitely new territory for, for everyone. daniel permits here with the kira center for a iris and impacts talking with us about this groundbreaking, the artificial intelligence act to your last thing is like so we couldn't really hear what he was saying. i know why why we did not want you to hear what he would say. i guess it was not a public event, so they want us to listen. then, what do we know? why mister e? long must decided to take the trouble of traveling to germany to visit his factory . well, it seems like you have to boost morale a little bit at the factory. it been a week. the with workers left not being able to work because of the arson attack that happened close to the tesla factory and they basically had to shut down

production. so it was last week, right? yes, exactly, a week ago. so i imagined that there were some concerns also among the workers there about, you know, what is going on here some, some, some worry also do people actually hate us because we work at that? well, what is going on? i mean, it was sabotage, right? yes. we've heard a group claiming responsive ability for the sabotage of the power lines leading into the tesla and effected the tesla factory. but also people who live in the area who were without electricity also for a week. so it's been, it's been quite an impact for, for it has let itself, this company has said its loss up the hundreds of millions of dollars or euro is because of this. and so, you know, a long mosque was there to boost morales to tell the employees there that he's not giving up on the test the project in germany, and that 0, they actually want to continue with plans to expand the factory. what is there? is there a hostile environment right now between i guess the people who live around the factory and the capital management or? well, we tesla has plans to expand the factory and this is an area that is full of for us

. and we've seen that last month, residents in the area, 65 percent of them voted against the expansion of the factory. they're concerned that they basically don't want more for us to be torn down, but they're also concerned about the water supply. is an area outside berlin that is already has scarce water and they're afraid that because the plan to use is so much water that they'll have problems with the water supply in the future, especially in the summer is where we see droughts quite often in the area what do we know about the group, the claimed responsibility for the, the, the, i guess the power outage and sabotage last week. so this is a group that is classified by germany's intelligence service. as a far less big scream is grouped with an arcos leanings and they, we don't know much about them really. they know that they were formed in 2011 and that they've been carrying out arson attacks in berlin, in the area around berlin. and it's not the 1st time that they actually went after

tesla already. what are the, what are they against? what. 8 they are sort of like an antique capital list, a group of they've attacked testers specifically because it's supposed to be a green car, right. the electric car that's well, this is something that i heard for example, from another group of protesters who have set up a protest camp just outside the factory in the force that is meant to be torn down by the expansion. and they have distance themselves from the arse and the tax. they don't agree with that other group that is going against those law. but the protesters and the protest camps, they call themselves anti capitalism. they say what tesla is doing with electric vehicles is not the solution to the climate crisis. they say that the way that tests would produce is it's electric vehicles is exploiting, for example, countries in the global south where raw materials are taken to produce the batteries for the electric vehicles. and that this is actually causing more in the quality of more injustice in the world. instead of actually bringing forth a transition that they say should be more fair. when we know chinese car makers

right now, they're also going to let you know about to lead the way when it comes to e vehicles. i wonder if they're being targeted as well. what about the one must, do we know it does? does he have any buyer's remorse is a big investment to put a factory like that. here in germany, wages are high here. i mean, it's not. it's not an expensive to do business here. and now he's got sabotage to do with them. this is the only tesla factory in the whole of europe. yeah. so it is quite a big thing also for germany. what he said today is that no, he doesn't have buyer's remorse. what we've heard that came out of this meeting that he has at the factory today that he's ready to go ahead and he sort of, you know, tried to give a morale boost of the workers. but certainly he must be asking himself, is it worth going ahead? and this is also a question that is probably also working for the german, local and federal governments. because germany is not an easy country to invest in . the salaries are high,

the costs of labor is high. labor laws are very strong and protecting workers, and also red tape is notoriously, pretty terrible. so if protests also come into the mix, i'm sure that some big international companies might start questioning even more. is germany a good choice? yeah, well, he said he came here. we got, you know, they were highly skilled workers. a huge pool. high school work is here which, which he needs what we'll see. i mean, he says that by and twitter was not a bad idea either. so, you know, i guess the jury is still out on that show you. thank you. thank you as well. the day continues online and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see you then everybody, the,

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