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the lightest textile waste gets stranded here. all about the final stuff in the global fashion industry. fast fashion. watch now on youtube, the presidential elections in russia of the usual full gone conclusion was nothing left to chance. not even the best in jail of the leading opposition figure elect saying the valet whose name postern couldn't bring himself to speak. my guess is the russian commentary to andre kalashnikov, who had split kindly. he rush, are you ready? just center in moscow. wasn't a valid me such a serious threat to put in his regime because he has to be killed even to be imprisoned. that when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field about the same time, quite mighty, and way to compress it for the parts of the population. and because of that,
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it was important to, let's see, eliminate him from the political field. so what's it like to live with the government that kills its political opponents, unseen from moscow? why the southern states of warnings by nato officials about a russian attack over the next few years. what does a know we done and the color of welcome to complex of excellence. it's much, it's time for presidential elections in russia of id may i put in once a 5th time. that'd be my food and always gets once he once is, this is close to absolute power as it gets in russia. yes. so this is one more step to choose absolute power. but so when we ask yourselves where it was 20 points for, she seems as a decrease of michigan magic because development of history june was somewhere in
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the year 2020. when she called the referendum about some of the med, most of the constitution, both of may think about 0 and copious present initial terms. and now she is over to the president. and the after is that all the doors were open for any steps from his sites. like to this war of february 22, 22. unfortunately with no other means the same year 2020. it doesn't have much to do with democracy. it does it. these elections, even mr. perkins spokesman dmitri pest golf, tell the new york times last year, presidential election isn't really a democracy. it's a costly bureaucracy. so why bother with this show? because so this is one more attempt that demonstrates to the majority of the rough can population that they, they are still the majority,
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which is obedience, indifference and ready to continue to accept the pretest initiatives. and just as important as that's minority minority is a must understand that they are still minorities as they can to influence that i think is this country because we have a majority which is in flash which supports pollution. so nothing to do with this political system. we can't change anything because of that. so this election starts to no significance. it's the same time just as one more really rounds, aflac. why not to, to repeat this kind of really into refresher the legitimacy or for the all the correct. oh, credible candidates of uh, being eliminated way before the polling stations open bar. it's not just in the anti war candidate. he was disqualified by the states because some traction for a while. was he a, a threat?
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was he didn't the threat addition was squares attracted to the public who was liberal views and you know, in the rush or millions of people for sharing to liberal till the critic pro western the anti portion of the vision of the world. and because of that, in addition, was kind of a slope for this people wednesday sun and it's pushing it and it was understandable . that's a criminal decide. it's not a low ocean to participate because she keeps it undermines the feeling of absolutes comes to the dish. and around put him in a case of getting, i don't know, 56, even 10 percent a man into it. it could means that the pretend he's not the only one who is so who deserves the support. and there are people with the enter your agenda, not to mention that and zip case. and i didn't include demonstrates enter your agenda via television. and the code says shake because of use. so for the
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majority, which is still not connected to the tv set. so, so with no, they decided not to, not to risk. you run that slide risk. i'm alexa in the bottom, a dead and a prison camp in the optic circle. once he ever really i'm electro threat to prove to or was it that he and all those like him were never going to be allowed to get anywhere near that status. the one that didn't have an opportunity to participate in the legal political process. but so when she did participate in the year 2013 during moscow's mayor's elections, he was extremely efficient. astonishingly efficient for kremlin and death resistance. they decided to not to allow him to participate in any kind of like options. so if it was a real threat to put to getting them to some moments, so moment to the means that bus to the whole political process reduced busy. now
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this is fine between the fall knee and approach him. and is that sense even being can prison? that when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field about the same time, quite mighty and square to compress it for, for that part of that population. and because of that, it was important to, let's see, eliminate him from the political field. do you by the story that he was about to be swapped for a kayla. so having time in germany, do you by that story? of we don't know the truths may be, will know nowadays, but it looks like a little simple story and in that sense, simple, it was not a coincidence that she was, let's say,
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maybe killed maybe by some, maybe something else. so we have to wait for some results. so for his team of research to maybe use the gym to clear up some good deals and i found his family is pretty clear and his colleagues are pretty clear that the state did kill him. you wouldn't seriously argue with that, would you i would say likely. so the experience of this regime demonstrates that it's as possible. let's remember, is a case of st policy or in any other cases and put in several times, repeat it to your interest curry, or that's a my pets, realty color oriented ordering. and since people do that, but these and because of that among people with uh, let's say liberal views, there is no doubt that's nobody put the keels. uh no,
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no, we don't have the uh, conclusive evidence of it. but the feeling is very strong. come on. russian civil society, we know that they tried and failed to kill him back in 2020 and we know because the millions listen to a government assassin describing his previously unsuccessful attempt to kill him about me. little realizing that he was actually talking to him about the i'm being recorded by him at the time. so nobody's going to believe any government denials of a underscore. uh, you know, which means what do we mean by, you know, buddy to because of the majority still prefers to believe freedom main unofficial version or prefer us not to think about this. the horrible story. yes. a lot of russians. uh they didn't know about the police and things that i didn't know about
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. the gus, that's not what all names are in this camp near arctic circle, but uh, the majority prefers not to boulder itself. uh uh, not to pay too much attention to, to this horse in order to keep for themselves mentally normal. um, this'll be more old, but the majority prefers not to know. and it seems about, uh, like, uh, uh, casualties still with his does says that the red, cetera. and because of that, that's more about belief with disbelief amongst people with a normal view. so democratic fused glory viper, i'm a lawyer at the human rights group. memorial said, if they could kill nevada and they, they could kill anybody else. if he's right. where does all this and all the killings all the political prisoners. why does this end?
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i know the real threat is to political prisoners. i'm sure we don't have a political position in the proper sense of civil worth right now because of a higher level of impressions. kyra's in the, in names a substitute and una williams, the last year. so for his existence and i, i, i would say that unfortunately, for instance, people like to let him know cut them. it was a, or, yeah, yes. and could be under threats, but not everyone in dissidence community, but uh, the main, one of the most local people from mazda political, a position, because barto was a political position as a broad sup parts. so for the literacy are in prison. so for people who are in prison, so there is a real threat, i think unfortunately, you spoke of the found this funeral about moral resistance among the population, people carrying flowers and candles to his memorials. how much of that moral
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resistance is left in russia? i guess treasure schwartz moral, because as i said, political position isn't so efficient right now. and this is more about a moral resistance and about political resistance. this people can fight as they don't want to find for power. they don't have fully addresses. they don't have organizations which are totally liquidated by the regime. even small in jewels about the dose of the most rates as a funeral and around it didn't go straight to that. this civil society still here. we must be for a society such which is very different than the passive. and the full of confirm is and civil society, the society of responsible citizens who us to who for the best for, for the country, for in
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a permanent order because of this war. they demonstrated that they are here, it was a huge step for people who were going to to the funeral because of the, the face recognition system is working and sometimes policemen are coming to to the plants. so it was this people after a different kind of events, wolf funerals like the link flowers as the man, as a place, as of man, there we go for political repression, so cetera, et cetera. so if you want to see the so civil society of the rush, we can overcome. for instance, a website over the, in for with the concrete statistics about persecutions about the criminal prosecutions, administrative persecutions extension additional persecution spent a lot of examples of these kind of problems for russian citizens. but she resist civil society, which is still ready to resist and ready to at least to
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think of all the constitution, think about so as a responsibility, collective responsibility you, you talked about values, legacy. i'd like to know how long you think it will last, isn't it inevitable that as the years go by, that will be less and less opposition? moral or real repression works best and it progressions efficient. yes. for precious work, but at the same time, no. this fatigue from room is also sheer and in a case of a minor success. so for a civil society and demonstration of what to use uh, some people are hesitating corpus difficult for me, so they can shares of you sofa. and this actually, if a single society activities, so in that sense, rush is not hopeless,
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and i think it was just like and so the attempts were when minerals people were ready for changes when gorbachev k, when government were much referred to, could the power ends as being a bunch of population is also ready for changes, but so, you know, in current circumstances kind of a single though must came from the very top. and the was out a change in the 1st person, i guess. so the serious changes in russia are impossible. veteran now extraordinary efforts and you've outlined some of them to, to clamp down on even the slightest infractions of this expanding penal code that the authors keep adding to. we hear of teachers in schools reporting a 1011 year old pupils to the security police books, a band people are arrested on the metro because they were reading something. but the fellow passengers didn't like every case pursued with the utmost vigor and
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brutality. and i suppose my question is, is the state really that insecure about its hold on paul and its people? you know, it's smarter. bells cell development of russian style. all sorts here is my would say this is not simply and assorted terrorism is more about a name, it's high, but it's a tell it to it. and it's the same utilitarianism because the state is trying to infiltrate into all this for yourselves. a private plan for people you to want it wants to control. for instance, theaters repair to ours. uh, uh, book markets, libraries, etc, etc. but nevertheless, this societies mother in, isaac, this is orland, well educated society and people are trying to keep for the private space to see more on more or less normal situation. and it looks us to print it's some, some movies are pretty cool with appear in this such
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a strange hospitality around space. so yeah, is there a difference? the threats like denunciations from your competitor else, but nevertheless, it is still, it is still civil society and i can repeat it as not so hopeless and get the chance survives this period. but the, the space of labor to you for free to my scenario is this is through. but if you wants to do something, you can try. and some people are trying to, to write to articles, to be vocal, to, to, to talk, at least to talk about the constitution. it's, it's not a dresser, it's not help does it by the fact that so many ordinary citizens appear willing to inform on each other on their colleagues and their families and their friends. how destructive is that to the fabric of russian society destroys trust on the
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yes it's true, it's to the trust is not so the strong side of the society is the trust of each other. but some people simply prefer enough to talk with unknown persons. they prefer to talk and also they'll try not to be so vocal sitting in congress for instance, to say, prefer not to discuss political issues. this is true. but you know, it's the same time uh again who, who wants to resist can try to do it. for instance, if there is such a new magazine which was initiated by the nova, laura, it's a mr. moran, there's a title going to be in a corporation with gorbachev foundation. and this is one of the attempts to,
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to, to, to, to create something to you, even in the circumstances. there was some problems with this magazine, but it is still in the fields. so why not to transfer this whole thing? and uh this it's, it's a, it's contribute. so, something like hope for the future. when we talk about hope, let's also talk about the war in ukraine, which has, of course, exacerbated the repression level. good cause leading russian sociologist says there's a high degree of support for the war highest among the educated and the educated in moscow does not surprise you. yes. is there a lot of surprising stories, especially in the field of mess, psychology and my social g. and uh, you know, this is all about people who are afraid of changing their life. so they are trying
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to avoid problems with themselves. which means that as a full flip, say, double thinking of a pretending the ward doesn't exist. so they can to avoid the mentioning fee to thinking about it. so that's a trying not to do it publicly made is the same people, but who they want to continue as a career, as for instance, in the university. so something like that. but as a private spacing, their quizzes selected to us. and so we have time so they can discuss freely the current situation with the core, with the some assessments which are not public. let's see, this is more about privates assessments private life. so this is more about double thinking, you said recent pay that pretend as make clear russia is fighting a permanent background war with the west. that argument gives his image ration on
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his way to maintain power. does put in one fact war in your view. oh yes, she wants me. she's the main initiator, i'm sure. is that, and is this personal, this decreasing? put in was the main source of, of this war was this idea. ology, which justifies for the russian id was nation alanta in nationalistic and imperialistic ideas. the very archive and the deals to the, to the, to tradition, send us spiritual values, etc, etc. and she must in advance of the google for the society. so it's just not coping is more capitalism. and they invented some travelling, this permanent for, it was the best, the best was also taking us. so we must defense our sales. and even though we're expansion expansions, this is kind of, it is more about defense. and uh,
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the reason the reports re, so i'm sorry to interrupt you, reset the intelligence reports in the west of suggested russia intends to double the number of its troops on the border with the baltic states and finland. and people have spoken officials, government officials in several countries have spoken of the fact that that could possibly be attacked by russia on the nato countries over the next few years. how plausible do think that these things this is because p r o to be so then to to, to, to, to look so mighty. so impress if uh, uh, and i guess he wants to create i am, she's a political philosophies. this is a part of russian for sure, and she wants to return and strengthen as he says, so this territories. and she doesn't care about voltage states for any length or,
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or pulled this as a loop service. in my opinion. she will not have enough resources for one more flank, one more front uh, she simply wants to continue. this permanent poor was the best as a goal for the society, but at the same time, in the practical terms and apply it to her. and she doesn't want to, to take the, for instance, baltic stays because it will mean the real world was native, intimately, much more serious. so that's just sort of a tuition blueprint. doesn't nato look weak to russia to put in the notes so we could but to what was this very majority of the society, which in looks like a strong man, chloe cruise equal to 2 tomato nicer. this more of those that you mature for the main enemy. united states of america native in europe is kind of a set of lines of uh, of nato,
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in the ends of united states. you said last month that despite all the new, clear se but rattling, but we've heard from fulton, they don't want the afraid of nuclear war. what makes you so sure of that? held as a no. so as you settled the messenger stand with that. so you're going to use those, the technical uh ukes. uh could be suicidal for uh for say every gene for the country. uh they want to leave for they want to enjoy this life and because of that. so yes, so the, so nuclear black mailing fees square, it's impressive and quite effective as it is quite effective because it's present in fact, to prevent says the west from giving the sophisticated weapons to you, correct? yes. as a problem for actually. so that's a very conversations that talk about the nuclear work became such
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a lights. my talk, we can do it. why not? this is a main danger to proceed the domestic public so that it is possible. this is a danger of furniture story and wrote recently that society is like russia, autocracies, don't bend, but they can break. do you believe that after all russia has broken, the soviet union broke up. the budding wall came down, communism was denounced as a failed experiment. under what circumstances do you think russia could conceivably come apart? now? you know, when we're talking about this, the future ends, the behavior of our leads. they're behaving like that according to the drover up in order to look after us as it is the slots and in that sense, they hopelessly as they have enough resources to continue this work until the physical
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end of uh, putting them to his team. but uh, the resources could be depleted and the next generation though, for petitions, they will have to take responsibility for the country, for the european security. and this as an interest of the west coast call and interest mutual interest of the russians. the west said to have a new generation of people who can recreate discounts for you from 0. this one a full come because the resources, i'm not to the terminal. so the bills are full. russia, that's the alexa in a valley you talked about does exist somewhere down the line and you'll view it exists in the, in the soul. so in, in brain sofa pro democratic russians and they are here and those they will be ready for changes when the time will count. i'm very classic of thank you very much for being on comforting, so thank you. thank you for having me here. the
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