the, the, this is the, the news coming to live from berlin report to details. israel's use of artificial intelligence to select targets and gauze of the report comes from it. outrage over and is really attack on an aide con boy in which 7 workers died. the founder of the n g o world central kitchen says they were deliberately target. also coming up, nato moves toward long term military aid for ukraine. foreign ministers discussed proposed support as the alliance marks it's 75th anniversary, and occasion highlighting the think of role nato members or demanding of germany. plus the w speaks to women in ukraine, volunteering to clear minds about 30 percent of their country is now contaminated

by concealed explosives. the hello, i'm terry martin. thanks for joining us. pressure is growing on israel from its closest, analyze over a deadly attack on an aide con boy and the gaza strip. us secretary of defense lloyd austin has 1st his is really counterpart to take concrete steps to protect aid workers and palestinian civilians and called for a quick and transparent investigation. australia is prime minister, has any albany easy has criticized israel's explanation for the attack? and australian citizen was among the 7 people killed and these rarely striked on the vehicles carrying aid workers from the world central kitchen. we need to have a can ability for how it's ok and what isn't good enough. is the stipends to the

they might a including that this is just a product of war. the founder of world central kitchen has accused israel of systematically targeting his workers when it carried out, the strike is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu, so the workers were killed, unintentionally. the incident prompted world central kitchen to suspend operations in gods. so transporting the bodies of aid workers, they were killed and then is really air strikes well overseeing the delivery food aid in gaza. the us base and g o released the names and photos of palestinian australian, british polish, and us canadian staff killed in the attack. the remains of 6 were taken out of gaza to egypt to beaver patriot or to their home countries. the founder of the charity world central kitchen set. the convoy was targeted systematically,

one car after the other, who they were targeting hands. you know the confidence on eric months old idea then knowing that was our team's moving on that route. $77.00 people that they are 7 on top of a lease. so what i know there 192 money dining workers that they've been to over the last 6 months. israel's government said it regrets the incident and promised to insure it would not happen again. but its conduct in the war has come under mounting criticism, not just abroad, but also at home. tens of thousands have taken to the streets in antique government protest, any guns, a member of israel's 3 man, more cabinet and prime minister benjamin netanyahu, whose main rival is now calling for new elections to be held later this year.

i believe that the, these really society needs to renew its contract because it's leadership and i think the only way to do it and still maintaining the national f. 14 fighting come us and there was group and other secure with the challenges is by having an agreed election date that we have to discuss when and if the early election proposed would have to be backed by the majority of israel's parliament where families of hostages held in gaza, continued to protest. maybe the investigative report says israel is using artificial intelligence to identify targets in gaza at huge cost a civilian life report in an independent, this really palestinian magazine said the ai system called lavender targeted tens of thousands of alleged militants in their homes. was really intelligence officers told the magazine that a human review of the targets would only take a few seconds. military officials reportedly allowed dozens of civilians to be

killed in pursuit of each to organs. in response, the ideas said it followed international law and that it does not use a i have to identify suspected terms. for more of this, i'm joined now by marina mirror and she's a military analyst and associate professor at kings college one and go to see you again. marina. israel says it's truck, be a condo in gaza by mistake, that it was a case of miss identification. how likely is it that a i played a role in that? good morning, terry. well, we'd have to understand, is there a lot of moving parts because um, the lavender a system that you just referenced, it would identify is a target. but then you have a human agent approves these targets. so one of the problems here is, how long does it take for the human agent to actually verify the outputs that this

ai system would present? and the as a problem here is specifically in the case of the aid workers as well, the con way of 3 vehicles. i believe the, the 1st vehicle was marked. the strike took place. it was a precision strike which took place applied, meaning that some, those and operatives would have been involved and would have used supposedly drains for tracking the target before striking it. meaning that they might have seen the designation on the roof of the vehicles. so it can also be due to human error as well on that. and so there is a combination of factors. you've got to just say a, i is a full here, but also the human factor comes in where you are a drilling operator and you are seeing that sign on the roof. i'm not seeing depending on the resolution of the cape camera. and depending on the light setting, and as, as i said, it was, the lights are more investigation unnecessary,

but certainly it is a problem. so you say human verification of a information is needed it. but is it possible marian for israel's military, or any country's military to properly evaluate the information that a high provides our mistakes, not in the inevitable or the 1st problems that we have here is that the idea for such a system to be used is in order to shorten the so called kill chain so you can react faster to the intelligence provided by that system. so you have that list and you want to move in as quickly as possible in order to eliminate those targets. and from my understanding, some of the rules of engagement were dropped or changed after october 7th attacks. meaning that the process of reviewing the targeting information is not as rigorous anymore. therefore, i think that whatever happens at that level needs to be carefully examined because

on the one hand, if you do rigorously examined the target to use time and potentially use those targets can escape so time here is a question and finding the balance of verification. but not losing the target is a problem here. there's also an issue of accountability. if a i is involved in falsely identifying a potential target who is then responsible for the consequences as well. the problem here is you cannot really blame me, i and say, well a, i told me to eliminate the star given it turned out to be an aide worker or a civilian. of course, whoever approves those kill lists has ultimately the responsibility. and so for operating in the field, they have been given the n, okay to eliminates a target unless, as i said, they see some sort of sign like a red cross or

a red question. whereas they say, well we, we shouldn't strike it. so they have to also use their brains, obviously when they're tracking the target before striking it, it's not like you were conducting a strikes straight away. you have to track a target for it on time. so that's, that's the person who would be responsible. i high in find the higher in the military hierarchy, but yeah, thank you very much for talking with us today. that was maureen, a mirror and i'm military analyst, associate professor at the department of studies were studies king college fund. thanks for having me. right now, nato foreign ministers are discussing a proposal to provide a 100000000000 euros in support to ukraine. the proposed fund would help bolster keeps defenses over the next 5 years. it's part of a push for the western military alliance to take over from the us led group. the currently coordinates weapon shipments to you right now to also wants to make

support for key of less reliance on contributions from washington. because of the months long impasse in the us congress over $60000000000.00 ukrainian, a ukraine. a proposal is being debated as nato marks it's 75th anniversary. nathan was founded after the 2nd world war to counter the perceived threat posed by the soviet union. and as the alliance looks to future challenges, one member states changing role is come into sharp focus. tomatoes for secretary general lord is may famously said the alliance was created in 1949 to keep the soviets out, the americans in, and the germans down 75 years later, the doesn't. the original members have added 20 more. they're still focused on keeping russia out as it wages award that borders of the alliance and the americans in as a central guarantors of europe, security. but the original desire to keep germany down is long gone. and some

observers accuse berlin of using history as an excuse to under perform in military spending and readiness. being down off to the end of the gulf war really became the thing. and it meant free writing. and what you can see now is an increasing number of countries gaining f on germany, and rightly so, because they've got the memo, they've understood what needs to be done. that point in that purpose and how to do it until berlin gets that though we won't see the necessary unity in europe to actually achieve that goal. that message that any crack in need of cohesion or capabilities could encourage crow. an aggression is regularly reiterated by frontline allies feeling more vulnerable since moscow launched full scale war and ukraine in 2022 countries like is sonia, where it's not just the 75th anniversary as nato's founding after world war 2, but also of the brutal soviet exile of thousands of citizens. my mother was deported. on her 15th birthday hung on default of march

1949. my father's family. it had the farm on the islands that was hit by a gentleman born been 9041 show perfectly example of how it seems to be caught in the middle. these days, the middle for european allies may feel like it's between moscow in washington due to concern about declining us support for trans atlantic ties, especially ahead of november elections that could bring the anti nato. donald trump back to power. the 1st term to them. of course was not an easy time on, but to at that time you could still hope but as fresh as also staking his relationship by weston, by a peasant motorized think effect on its behavior. nowadays, no longer my case. i'm going to bring it that i decided to conduct a special military operation. got this out. well, we helpful when the bowling ball came down, clearly, no, jamie,

she saw plenty of anniversaries in almost 4 decades nato. his last post dealing with emerging security challenges to be fit for future birthdays, she says the alliance needs to also see beyond russia. elolize a face of a forms. that's right. and if nato doesn't help them a deal with those of a crisis, right? what would be climate change or cyber attack? so, you know, critical infrastructure protection or whatever it will be less relevant in those particular capital was for almost 75 years. basically the lives has shielded our nation's out of this center bursary. though, amid all the praise for nato's longevity, there's broad agreement that the best way the alliance can defend itself against future russian advances is ensuring there's a russian retreat now in ukraine. are brussels bureau chief alexandra phenomena is covering nato 75th anniversary. i asked her what reasons the alliance

has to celebrate. so, while the in stoughton back, the nato secretary general has described the alliance as the most powerful and successful alliance in history. and from the perspective of its members, it is true. during the cold war, nato was able to prevent a hot conflict with the soviets. off to the fall of the berlin wall, the number of its members grew constantly. now in the face of the rushes wore on, new crane allies have remained united. so this is from their perspective, a very successful story, of course. and they have to, is facing a lot of criticism. many countries in the so called global so so have been accusing can nature of being aggressive of having doubled standards of being too much you ask, dominate to it. but from the perspective of its members, it is

a successful story. but of course now they needs to get ready to meet the future and collins challenges how to deal with the rise of china, for instance, and how to support ukraine in the future. those are the questions that they need to answer today. help nato's relations with russia have deteriorated rapidly in recent years. is that clearly a result of the expansionist ambitions of russian liter, vladimir protein, or the nato itself makes some missteps of its own dealing with russia as well. that is, of course, what the russian defaults russian narrative is that the annexation of a crimea that the war on ukraine is the result of nato's aggressive behavior. that's the point is that nature has been communicating with

russia not so long ago before the annexation of crimea was in nato, russia council. they were an exchange. they were talking about important things. so from the perspective of natal member as it is solemnly, so letting me put you in to be blamed for what for what sort going on in ukraine for the war that is raging on nato store, step. speaking of ukraine, to what degree is nato's future? the alexandra depended on the outcome of developments in that war. while we hear that every day here at nato headquarters, how important it is to support ukraine, so that the restaurant is not winning this war so that ukraine is able to defend its independence. it's 17 and a, it's might seem a bit strange to countries who are far away from this war. but for those members of

the lines who are very close to the board of ukraine, they understand that they could be next. and of course, they don't want it to happen. alexander, thank you very much. that was our brussels bureau chief alexandra phenomena. staying on the topic of ukraine authorities there say about 30 percent of the country is now contaminated by russian land mines. unexploded ordnance and other explosives up to 174000 square kilometers of land are thought to be contaminated, posing a threat to civilian life and making it off limits for farming and other uses. according to a survey by un archer published last year, minds have been detected in 11 of ukraine's 27 up last. among the most contaminated regions are meeker, live chess on the nets and khaki. human rights watch points out that ukrainian

forces have also deployed land binds against russian forces. the area in need of tracking and clearing is larger than greece. dw, i abraham's travel to body and northern ukraine to meet some of those taking on this dangerous job. the year ago, victoria was training to be a pastry shop. now, the 20 year old is helping clear ukrainian soil from unexploded russian mines is doing so in the northern ukrainian village previously occupied by russia. this work is crucial for life to come back here. i'm gonna go to my brother is currently serving in the army for 2 and a half years already. my father was also called to the army budget with of course, are you positive commission but was not draft annually. i also wanted to do my part, so i came to work here the course with you a little bit. they have

a younger brother, and i would like him to walk on clean land and the course you mobile and so would my future children do proceed with me due to the course or victoria says not far from key of you yet. who used to work in an office trains new d miners. when you for the to i'm just delighted when they come the next day. and can tell them what i told them yesterday, including this record. that's why i like being an instructor. but we have many women whose husbands are at war and these women are not standing by and crying and not waiting for them or rather, they also take the position that the more we work on this, the sooner we will finish it all with you, with the civic income, some estimates suggest it could take hundreds of years to clear all of you creating of landlines. these women are making start for more of this,

let's bring it in. greg crowd. there he is. director of programs at the mines advisory group which helps train ukrainians to spot and remove mines. the joins us from more say in france. greg, during the past 2 years, ukraine has become the most heavily mind country in the world. can you put that into perspective for us? yeah, and that's all. thank you for having me and focusing on an important issue. um, you know, there was a period of time of mind 70 personalized particularly were being used extensively and a number of civil was around places like i go there. and number the, during the 19 seventy's and eighty's, early ninety's, which led to the, to the, to the mind boundary to you, i was my, was a family member. and, and since then, we have seen a decrease in the amounts of, of, of, unsurpassed unknown minds to being used in this context. in this world we've, we've, we've, we know that this been an extensive use of the bus on the bus. and i went on to tank lines, huge barrier mine fields being late along a very, very long uh,

front line. and uh, something that will take, unfortunately, when we compare it to similar line sales, which a much less deep and much less long, but have already taken me or in some cases, 10 or 20 years to clear. we noticed you've kind of taken off a long time to get rid of your organization is helping ukraine with the task of clearing minds. but how do you go about d mining a country that still it war? obviously it's not the only country in which your work, richard, fortunately is still affected by contract. you work closely with the or for a case that the guy in, you know, far these to understand where you're able to work. you work in areas which have been previously occupied and which are now been liberated and you work within a security framework that ensures that your staff, aside from the people that you work with the site. we know from other countries, including germany, that unexploded land mines and bombs continued to pose

a threat long after the fighting has stopped. how is this likely to affect ukraine's ability to get back on its feet once this war is over? as you say, the mining and the removal of other unexpected ordinances is a long term job. it's about building sustainable, national capacities. it's important to remember that in countries that you mentioned, germany, britain, friends that are still affected by unexploded ordnance throughout institutions which respond to those in the long term. organizations like ourselves, like mag we, we read that to do stuff in a short time to help the immediate, pers confident reconstruction. but it is about building sustainable national capacity is be institutions inside your crime himself that could respond to this right? now there are treaties against using minds. you mentioned that, but not all countries are on board and even those that are don't always respect treaties. ukraine itself is said to be an example. does this not show that treaties

anti mind treaties are essentially an effective defined on treaties. been probably the single most effective to solomon treat teeth of that as, but doesn't have to be included into the large scale use of anti personnel mines in numerous complex the end to the production of mines. in many, many countries. the enter, the transfer lines and shrewd amounts of work has been done in terms of destroying stop files. the um, the use of, of, of anti personnel mines. bye bye bye. russian voice has been well documented. 12 hasn't been noticed signature to the trade to you guys and, and it does, it, does it, does it show that the need to ensure that this kind of truth is universalize the use of these references stigmatized on the people that are signatures respects. but conventions, craig, thank you very much for talking with us today. that was great crowder of the mines advisory group. i'm driving right now. my is now to taiwan and authorities. there's

a dozens of people are still missing or stranded following the strongest earthquake to hit the island in more than 25 years. at least 9 people were killed in 1000 injured when the quake struck while the end said he on wednesday morning. emergency crews are working to clear roads and secured damage building the earthquake ship all of taiwan. but the city of quality inn on the east coast was the worst hit. rescuers had managed to save all residents from partially collapsed buildings and from under rubble in down departments. survivors and damaged homes are being moved to temporary shelters. now it's time to prepare for the aftershocks teeth and not that i'm afraid of aftershocks, and i don't know how bad the shaking will be and then the house is already mess. okay, how do you get in that?

there's no way to get in. didn't you post quick, major roads are still blocked off in other areas. tie ones, president elect says they're working to bring everything back to functioning. median one song song, we're aiming for 2 way traffic to resume by tomorrow evening. as for the water and the power supply, those will be restored quickly so that people can resume normal life as soon as possible. taiwan lies on a fault line. the island is used to quakes view, and recent history have been the severe. more than a 100 after shocks have already been recorded. so you're watching dw news. just reminder the top story we're following for you this. our nato is marking it's 75th anniversary with the ceremony in brussels. we're looking now at the live pictures of the event. representatives from ukraine are in attend, are, was nature discussed, was a propos and

a long term aide fund. that's our key. that life goal is something that old men and women in uniform. stay with us. we have business for you next to with made in germany. i'm terry market for me and all of us here at dw, thanks for watching the

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