see if this slide spread races, depression, today, the screen we need to talk about here, the stories, shadows of german colonialism, the presidential elections in russia of the usual full gun conclusion was nothing left to chop, not even the death in jail as the leading opposition figure i'll explain about me whose name postern couldn't bring himself to speak. my guest is the russian commentary to andre kalashnikov, who heads the economy, he rush or you raise your sensor in moscow. wasn't a valid me such a serious threat to put in his regime because he had to be killed even to be imprisoned. that when it was a threat to pretend that competitor maybe invisible in an information field about the same time, quite my team, and way to compress it for, for the parts it was that population. and because of that, it was important to,

let's see, eliminate him from the political fuel. so what's it like to live with a government that kills its political opponents, unseen from moscow? why the southern space of warnings by nato officials, about a russian attack over the next few years. what does a know we done? on the right color slick of welcome to complex of excellence. it's much, it's time for presidential elections in russia, of letting me a put in once a 5th time. that'd be my food and always gets what he wants is this is close to absolute power as it gets in russia. yes. so this is one more step to choose absolute power. but so when we're asking our sales where it was 20 points for she seems as a decrease of michigan mostly because the development of his interview was somewhere in the year 2020. when he told the referendum about

some of the med, most of the constitution, the main think about 0 and copious present initial terms. and now she is over to the president. and after that, all the doors were open for any steps. functions sites like to this war of february 22, 22 unfortunately of no other means the same year 2020 it doesn't have much to do with democracy. it doesn't these elections, even mr. perkins spokesman, dimitri pest golf told the new york times last year, presidential election isn't really a democracy. it's a costly bureaucracy. so why bother with this show? because so this one more attempt to, to demonstrate to the majority of the rough can population that they, they are still the majority, which is obedience, indifference and ready to continue to accept the contents initiatives.

and this is important, that's minority minority is a must understand that they are still minorities and say can to influence and i think is this country because we have a majority which is in flash which supports proteins. so nothing to do with this political system. we can't change and i think because of that, so this election starts to no significance is the same times. it's just one more really rounds aflac. why not to, to repeat this kind of really and to refresher as a legitimacy or for the all to correct. oh, credible candidates of being eliminated way before the polling stations open bar is not just in the anti war candidate. he was disqualified by the states because some traction for a while. was he a, a threat? was he didn't that's right. edition was squares attracted to the public who

was liberal views and you're down in the rushes or millions of people who are sharing to liberal pro the critic pro western and to put you in a vision of the world. and because of that, in addition was kind of afloat for this people wednesday sun and it for she and i and it was understandable that's a criminal decide. it's not till ocean to participate because she puts it undermines the feeling of absolutes comes to the dish. and around put him in a case of getting, i don't know, 56, even 10 percent. uh, man into it. it could means that the paternity is not the only one who is so who deserves the supports and there are people with the enter your agenda not to mention the 10s of case. and that doesn't include demonstrates enter your agenda via television and the code. so shake because of use, so for the majority, which is still not connected to the tv set. so, so with no,

they decided not to not to risk you from that slide risk. i'm alexa in the bottom, a dad and a prison camp in the arctic circle. was he ever really electro threat to prove to or was it that he and others like him? we're never going to be allowed to get anywhere near that status. the only didn't have an opportunity to participate in the legal political process. but so when she did participate in the year 2013, during moscow's mayor's election, sky was extremely efficient. astonishingly efficient for kremlin. and after the items they decided to, you know, to allow him to participate in any kind of like options. so if it was a real threat to put an end to some moments, it's a moment to the means that pasta the whole political process reduced busy. now this

is fine between the fall knee and approach him and is that sense even being can prison that when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field about the same time, quite mighty and square to compress it for, for the parts of the population and because of that, it was important to let's see, eliminate him from the political field. do you by the story that he was about to be swapped for a kayla. so having time in germany, do you by that story of we don't know the truths maybe will know nowadays, but it looks like blows and bull story. and in that sense, simple, it wasn't requested dance. uh that she was, let's say maybe killed 90 points, maybe something else. so we have to wait for some results sofa as you see what

a search drew maybe is the gym to clear up some good deals. and i found this, ronnie is pretty clear and his colleagues are pretty clear that the state did kill him. you wouldn't seriously argue with that, would you? i would say likely. so the experience of this regime demonstrates that it's as possible. let's remember as a case of st policy or in any other cases and put in the several times to repeat it and you are anxious, courier. that's my pets, realty color oriented oregon. since people do that. but these and because of that, among people with uh, let's say liberal views, there is no doubt. that's why they put the keels. uh, no, no, we don't have the controls if evidence of it so,

but the feeling is very strong. comp, russian civil society. we know that they tried and failed to kill him back in 2020 and we know because the millions listened to a government assassin describing his previously unsuccessful attempt to kill him about me. little realizing that he was actually talking to him about the i'm being recorded by him at the time. so nobody's going to believe any government denials of a underscore. uh, you know, which means what do we mean by, you know, buddy to because of the majority to still prefers to believe freedom main unofficial version. or prefer us not to think about this. the horrible story you know, so low to for russian. so they didn't know about the place of things that i didn't know about that the so it's not what it means. it in this camp near arctic circle,

but the majority prefers not to boulder itself. uh uh, not to pay too much attention to, to this for us in order to keep for themselves mentally normal. um the subsea more old, but the majority prefers not to know. and it seems about uh like, uh, uh, casualties still with his uh does. so through it cetera, and because of that, that's more about the leaf with disbelief amongst people with the normal view space, a democratic fused record vibe from a lawyer at the human rights group. memorial said if they could kill nova on the baker, kill anybody else. if he's right, where does all this and all the killings all the political prisoners. why does this end? i know the real threat is to political prisoners. i'm sure we don't have

a political position in the appropriate sense of simple words right now because of a high level of for patients kyra's in the, in names of substitute new new orleans of last year or so for his existence. and i, i, i would say that unfortunately, for instance, people like to let him and cut them. it was a, really, a yes from could be under threats. um, not everyone in dissidence community, but uh, the main of the most local people from mazda political, a position, because barto was a political position as a broad sub parts. so for the looters are in prison. so for people who are in prison, so there is a real threat. i think unfortunately, you spoke of the found this funeral about moral resistance among the population, people carrying flowers and candles to his memorials. how much of that moral resistance is less than russia?

and it gets trends of sorts moral, because as i said, political position isn't so efficient right now. and this is more about a more resistant sanibel political resistance. this people can fight as they do not want to find full power. they don't have for literacy, they don't have organizations which are totally liquidated by the machine. even small in jewels about the dose of the demonstrates as a funeral and around it didn't go straight to that. this civil society still here with lots of different societies such which is very different. so i'm passive and full of calling for ms and civil society. the society of responsible citizens who us to who for the best, who was a country whore in a permanent order. because of this war, they demonstrated that they are here. it was actually route step for people club

for who were going to was a funeral because of the, the face recognition system is working and sometimes policemen are coming to to the plants. so it was people after a different kind of events, wolf, the funerals like the link flowers as a man, as a place or so from a man, there we go for political repression, so cetera, et cetera. so if you want to see the so civil society in the rush, we can overcome. for instance, the website over then for with the concrete statistics about persecutions, about the criminal prosecutions, administrative persecutions, extrajudicial persecutions. a lot of examples of these kind of problems for russian citizens, but she resist civil society, which is still ready to resist and ready to at least to

think of all the constitution, think about so as a responsibility, collective responsibility you, you talked about values, legacy. i'd like to know how long you think it will last, isn't it inevitable that as the years go by, that will be less and less opposition? moral or real repression works best and it progressions efficient yes for business work, but at the same time, no. this fatigue from regime is also sheer. and in the case of a minor successor for a civil society and demonstration that was to use uh, some people called hesitating corpus difficult for me says they can't shares of you . so for this x, if a single society activities, so in that sense or actually isn't hopeless and i think it was just like and so the attempts were when minerals people were ready for changes the wind guard,

which of key when government, which refers to the power ends is being a bunch of population is also ready for changes, but so, you know, in current circumstances kind of a single though must came from the very top. and the was out a change in the 1st person, i guess. so the serious changes in russia are impossible. veteran now, extraordinary efforts and you've outlined some of them to, to clamp down on even the slightest infractions of this expanding penal code that the authors keep adding to. we hear of teachers in schools reporting a 1011 year old pupils to the security police books, a band people are arrested on the metro because they were reading something. but the fellow passengers didn't like every case pursued with the utmost vigor and brutality. and i suppose my question is, is the state really that in secure about its, hold on paul and it's people,

you know, it smarter bells cell development of russian style. all sorts here is my would say this is not simply in a sort of terrorism is, it's more about him, it's high, but it's attached to it. and it's the same utilitarianism because the state is trying to infiltrate into all this for yourselves. a private plan for people you to want it wants to control, for instance, theaters repair to ours. uh, uh, book markets, libraries, etc, etc. but nevertheless, this societies mother in license, this is orlan, well educated society and people are trying to keep for the private space to see more and more or less normal situation. and it looks us to print it's some, some movies are pretty cool with appear in this such a strange hospitality or in space. so yeah. is there a difference?

the threats like denunciations from your competitor else, but i know it was a less, it is still, it is still civil society and i can repeat it as not so hopeless and get the chance survives this period. but the, the space of deliberate to you for freedom, my snare rooms, this is through but if you wants to do something, you can try. and some people are trying to, to write to articles, to be vocal and to, to, to talk at least to talk about the constitution. it's, it's not sales, or it's not help does it by the fact that so many ordinary citizens appeared willing to inform on each other on their colleagues and their families and their friends. how destructive is that to the fabric of russian society destroys trust of the yes,

a strong as to the trust is not the strong side of the society is a trust each other. but some people simply prefer not to talk with unknown persons . they prefer to talk and also who they are trying not to be so vocal sitting in congress for instance, to say prefer not to discuss political issues. this is true, but you know, it's the same time uh, again who, who wants to resist can try to do it. for instance, if there is such a new magazine which was initiated by the noble lord, it's a mr. moore auto for is a title going to be in a corporation with gorbachev foundation. and this is one of the attempts to, to, to, to, to create something to you,

even in the circumstances. there was some problems with this magazine, but it is still in the fields. so why not to transfer this whole thing? and uh, let's see it's, it's a, it's contribute. so something like hope for the future. when we talk about hope, let's also talk about the war in ukraine, which has of course, exacerbated the repression level. good cough leading russian sociologist says there's a high degree of support for the war highest among the educated and the educated in moscow does not surprise you. yes. is there a lot of surprising stories, especially in the field of mess, psychology and meso searching. and uh, you know, this is all about people who are afraid of changing their life. so they are trying to avoid problems with themselves. which means that as a full flip, say,

double thinking of a pretending the ward doesn't exist. so they can to avoid the mentioning fee to a sinking ability to box is a trained not to do it publicly, maybe the same people, but who they want to continue as a career, as for instance, in the university. so something like that. but as a, a private space seen their quizzes selected to us and sylvia time, so they can discuss freely the current situation with the core, with some assessments which are not public. let's see, this is more about privates assessments private life. so this is more about double thinking. you said, recent pay that pretend has made clear russia is fighting a permanent background war with the west. that argument gives his image rushing out his way to maintain power. that's put in one that war and you'll view

oh yes, she wants me. she's the main initiator, i'm sure. is that, and is this personal, this decreasing, put in was the main source of, of this war was this idea of the g, which justifies for the russian id was nation alanta in nationalistic and imperialistic ideas. the very archive that deals to the, to the, to tradition send the spiritual values since cetera, et cetera. and she must in advance of the goal for the society. so it's just not coping is more capitalism. and they invented some travelling, this permanent for, it was the best, the best was also taking us. so we must defense our sales. and even though we're expansion expansions, this is kind of, this is more about defense. and uh, but the reason the reports, reese, i'm sorry to interrupt you,

reset the intelligence reports in the west of suggested russia intends to double the number of its troops on the border with the baltic states and finland. and people have spoken officials, government officials in several countries have spoken of the fact that that could possibly be attacked by russia on the nato countries over the next few years. how plausible do think that these things is suspicious. p r. o to be so then to to, to, to, to look so mighty, so impressive. uh, uh, and i guess he wants to create i am, she's a political philosophies. this is a part of russian for sure. and she wants to return and strengthen as he says this territories. and she doesn't care about the baltic states freelance or, or pulled this as a lip service in my opinion. she will not have enough resources for one more flank,

one more front. uh, she simply wants to continue this permanent toward was the best as a goal for the society, but at the same time in the practical terms and apply it to her. and she doesn't want to take the, for instance, baltic stays because it will mean the real world was native. it would be much more serious. that's just sort of a tuition that was your brain. doesn't nato look weak to russia to pretend um, not so we could, but to what was this very majority of the society, which in looks like a strong man, chloe, who is equal to tomato. nicer is more of both a mature for the main enemy. united states of america, nathan, in europe, is kind of as such a line to of uh, of nato in the ends of united states. you said last months that despite old

a new career saved by rattling but we've heard from fulton, they don't want the afraid of nuclear war. what makes you so sure of that jose and also as you settled the messenger stand with that. so you're going to use so as a technical the ukes could be suicidal for us or say every gene for the country they want to leave for, they want to enjoy this life and because of that, so, yes, so the, so nuclear black mailing few square, it's impressive and quite effective as it is quite effective because it's presented to prevents as the west from giving the sophisticated weapons to you. correct? yes. as a problem for actually. so that's a very conversations that talk about the nuclear work became such a light. my talk, we can do it. why not? this is a main danger to proceed. so the domestic public's death. it is possible. this is

a danger. a british historian wrote recently that society is like russia, autocracies, don't bend, but they can break. do you believe that after all, russia has broken, the soviet union broke up the button wall came down, communism was denounced as a failed experiment. under what circumstances do you think russia could conceivably come apart? now, you know, when we're talking about this, the future is the behavior of our leads. they're behaving like that according to the drover up in order to look after us as it is a slot. and in that sense, they hopelessly, as they have enough resources to continue this work until the physical end of uh, putting them to his team. but uh,

the resources could be depleted. and the next generation though, for petitions they will have to take responsibility for the country for the european security, and this as an interest of the west coast call and interest. so no mutual interest of the russians at west said to have a new generation of people who can recreate discounts for you from 0 this, from a full count because the services i'm not to the terminal. so the bills are full. russia that's valid, like saying the value you talked about does exist somewhere down the line and you'll view it exists in the, in the soul southern brain. so for protein mccrae to russians as they are here and those they will be ready for changes when the time will count. i'm very classic of thank you very much for being on comforting, so. thank you. thank you for having me here. the,

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