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casual times in the amazon, yet the automobile industry doesn't care about the supply chain. profit. all that much. illegal leather stats may said on d w. the, this is feet up in use that for to coming up on the program. 800000 people murdered in just a 100 days, 3 decades off to the ones in genocide. can they ever be completely reconciliation? it was mass killing audit from the top, meticulously planned and executed without listen to things and moderate horses, master kid with machetes by vigilantes. that broke brooks with husbands even killing their wives. many flipped to churches, hoping to find sanctuary. but there was none. we made sense how to manage to escape
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the killing in a church that became a mass burial ground. and we told to a one didn't full make those who discovered the colonial roots of the genocide, how germany and belgium sees and used one to at the start of the 20th century. sowing the seeds of division and deliberate policy of divide and conquer the hello cassim adult. welcome to this special edition of the program. we're looking back at the 1994 genocide in one to the east african nation is mocking 30 years since the start of a 100 day mess because in which 800000 people were slaughtered. the killings were mostly carried out by extremists, from the country's majority,
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instantly quarters against the influential minority towards the population, but also moderate. which since his a reminder of how this brutal civil conflict shocked the world. and just to warn you, much of what you're about to see is distressing. april 1994. and that playing carrying lawanda is presidents. just bermonte and counts of parties shut down. it will kick all the juvenile happy you. ramona, and slippery and a hatch shamira. a killed along with everyone on board. those made the ethnic hutus the next day. the genocide begins over 100 days, gangs of many who 2 extremes, slow to hundreds of thousands, mostly ethic touch sees, orchestrated by the rewan denobia militia. neighbors turning on neighbors. the clubs submission these thousands heads of churches,
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many up to being offered assurances that they would be safe, but nowhere is safe cheese. the lights are recognized as the science of numerous mass killings. the extreme threat to life pushes masses of people to one does borders. sexual violence is also used as a weapon with as many as 250000 women raped during the genocide behind the bun, safari islands, subpacket for power between one. this ruling hutus and the tootsie dominated lawanda patry. i'll take fun. triple great. for the mass. mad. you eventually coming to an end. we now p. f fights has reached the capital pic ali in july 19. 94 may have to do lead by pull to gummy. the wind is coming presidents in the days that followed up and takes control of the country. arresting those
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accused of being involved in the genocide over the years since tens of thousands of, of london's have been convicted. but 100 small suspects are still at large. ringback the numbers of the data are impossible to comprehend. take the example of the yeah, my son genocide, memorial sites. a single church with $5000.00 people, limited over the course of 3 days, the w's. mario miller reports from the side of one of the worst mess because of the genocide it's not often that sometimes finds the strings to come here to a former church. now a memorial to the rhonda genocide, she says this is the place where she refused to die. i'm going to tell me, were you coming back to this place 30 years later? i think it is still a big wound,
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but it helps me to remember many of the people who died here, man, according to their belongings, are still here frozen in time. and each piece tells the tale. a person's elbows tightly tied behind their back before being executed, toddlers killed with their parents. the killings had started a few days earlier, many to 2 families, including sent out and had children to refuge here, thinking that be safe. this looks like it looks like i'm a good and not the 1st stay through grenades into the church and many people lost their legs. i was so much screaming. those who tried to leave the church were hacked with machetes. the place of saying to me, turned into a burial ground. the remains of more than 45000 people rest. at the memorial side, someone display a reminder of domestic shuttle
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managed to escape. a judge was injured at a corner in that we fled to a nearby school when i felt something hit me in the mouth and other parts of my body where i was holding my kids. i think it was a grenade. then i saw that one of my babies had been killed and that able, she had a nearby bushes at the end, at a home with the who to munitions committing the genocide found her intact her with a machete to a rock. i to her had a friend lying next to her hiding under banana leaves was done to life this one does when he came back often they rammed a spear and to me, mocking us saying you cockroaches don't die easily. i stayed in there for some time . my wounds were riding, hovering head maggots falling out of them. days later has been found and brought to safety, 30 kilometer se. another community is trying to reconcile with
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a past and move the move in its former perpetrators and the families of the victims left side by side mean noises. 2 brothers and a cousin were killed during the genocide. these quin knobby but they were brutally killed hacked here and here in the head in the throat. all parts of the body shred it is. oh my god, brothers. i loved the hands that would have supported me down, as the man who killed them supreme at that bottle was tried and one of wanda's post genocide tribunals and spent 12 years in prison. on his release he asked to be useful forgiveness and she accepted. now the regularly participating group activities together with other former perpetrators and victims. it's all part of a government program to create unity among brandon's re establish trust following the genocide that split communities would. would that work for sion tied to could
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see, forgive her attackers and killers of her baby what, what do we have a good country and that has brought us together and we loved each other. but it does not rule out the possibility that there could still be remnants of genocide, audiology and some people's hearts you can't see and people's hearts and all day long. her son was killed during the genocide would now be a grown like other kids and finish up some kind of hopes that generation would be able to put the genocide and the divisions of the past behind them. but some say the desire to overcome division has come at a cost. polk odami has played a leading role in run to since 1994 becoming president in 2000. and there are no signs. he intends to go off position vida vic swat in a b ray is one of click on this fits this, chris exceeded these morale. let us set down with her into the gully and aust,
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how fall has one to come since the genocide with president to come me he, i say or was the he was the deadline to pay this on to the right to mention that it is, it was he was the mind that's the one that needed to of the genocide by to today actively to use. i think that's we need the new fresh bromwoods in our than the session. so, but i'm afraid not to have it but to you. there's some activities in to this and a new beer didn't give me to daddy. you kind of see that to me. they was so much of a man to me to getting bought into hot. we need it to be the also they have to for one does, that's it. that's why i say it's a few years because what we actually that i don't get didn't get it close to the ocean, is the sources. we need to have a longer way to go. so what is needed in order to achieve that reconciliation? what's needed is to, to can nice to autumn one eyes or is story i said one does s one admissions. because on to 2 days or, or to start, that is 35,
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our country divides us onto today before the genocide that gets it to cease. and during the genocide in the after the genocide that are so kind of guessing money to come into the it's a simple just those of victims until today's nobody to talk about it. but they have a lot of tapes and they know that is they need to whom to express, they find open nitty publication. we've talked to that to we've had to 6 and you've been a long time critic of president for cut on the end of government. you also challenge the official narrative as it just mentioned, of the genocide. what happened before and during the genocide. so could you if plane of its size, what do you mean by that? what kind of atrocities or crimes against humanity has been committed when they total the kind of get some money. they talk about the number of citizens where the kids, when day was due, and in the, for just comp inside deland, when did they was in de homes. when did they home sort of destroyed into and kids summer,
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so just and most of them committed to those crimes. and if i say to they say you got a full rise policy middle on that, that isn't the choose that is it over the auditability yet it's for wanda. if we need to really to bid and nation to have is to send a bit of different from the company have edited. so spend a bit of development if we are not the north trust a month, as i said, one downs, because we need to be full to be one in nations. why? where you bought from the next election? because i was going down by one the quotes, even if the after can the court has cleared to my name, but did want a government refused to colonize this. the decision of the one that i quotes and a they bundle mental suspects into an extra. do you think that is out of fee of because you are dangerous? well, the government did or didn't get bye t o as to say the to the candidates because the company is so popular among the
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london and the i see if you, he's so popular. why do you order for that to being a competition to me for someone that has, i don't a lot on distant. why do to susie me to participate in the edison bought the story short. the answer is that they know if i'm going to in the competition for london, run down, submitted new, fresh a blog and they, they know that they can easily with extra. and this is why they bundle mean to buy support. thank you so much. you have come one done so make of samuel issue with parents were killed in the genocide. he was 2 years old at the time and saved by his many. he's recently co produced a documentary where he sold to understand what led to the mass murder. i'll be talking to simulation with off to this except off his phone, which is called reclaiming history. the colonial roots of the genocide in rwanda as
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the this is around a 1000, the hillsburg dies, the country i was born in 30 years ago when it was 2 years old. the journalist said, was committed here. my parents and the big pots of my family. what killed i'm on a journey to find out about the roots of the 1994 genocide against the to see and rhonda. my name is some way to ship. i'm a friend america. while my parents killed, i knew it killed by the militia, but i didn't know why. and as a kid, i just thought he was war between us. 131450. that's. that's we asking questions. somebody from the ends reading books. and yeah, that's what, that's how i start understanding our kid with children because of their customers are too close to to see if we speak to some language show to some culture. so i'm confident, how do we become, what was the identity before germans in the villages,
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jim, scrutinizing rhonda gender, demetrius, i'm sure we divided us to, to talk to a sales or was it the cleaners the to see twice already existed before community it is around one percent of london's called themselves twice the colonizers, defend them as picking these natives who lived here before the who to and to it's just going to clint, approve of do it to, to, to, to a phone, to speak, dressing in the service ship doing a this was like 1 o'clock because it isn't a sunday so, so high the meaning of for to, to, to, to are infrequently or rhonda. this is debated among custodians to visit one. they
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applies it to me or to, to cisco s good on predictor of a more sort of, if you have tablets and nope, either one separate community basically switch. you've got to use the shockey 15 wheel presumptive sequences also around directly to the way us it, it makes it is apparent compared to, to other teams. so i said to, you need to do should, is also going to swap the ebc isn't too good to, to see that. what it, what is going to press the ideology of damage. can this was introduced to run the, at the end of next century by european researches, the colquitt that to the, to see where the so called negro highlights who had integrated from the north end admitted to this of course, the indigenous which was for hundreds of years the, as i was researching for this firm, i came across the recent german to run and study. we've added that new it around
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$900.00 human scholars kept in germany. there was told from rhonda in 19 or 7 and 19 o 8. most of them are appropriate to buy an actual purchase, to named youngest. you kind of skipped for over a 100 years. nobody knew one than you about the existence of these 2 months. because the new c, d is used for classifying a good one that's just to prove that there is a new city in need. one in the cruise, the cruise is being the genocide, but the trip to the games fit to it. so i'm running a lot about how my identity force destroyed, how these divisions came about and of quote, recorded history is the need. so my next step now would be to go to this the, for myself,
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the ability of the significance place for many reasons. first of all, the so called co conference in which africa was divided like a piece of cake and given to colonial powers, took place here in berlin, in 1884, in 1885. the rest your theories to divide to your mind if you have to race is worth very popular. also at the museum for storage, director of the african ocean, the departments fillings for lucian, instructed aconia researches to appropriate mode. the 9000 human remains from germany to put on use most east coast, but also for skeletons. whatever did that open grace took out the scouts. normally when you just go with this racial studies, measuring the type polo g bas goes and the rest of the body, but it's not important because you quickbook detect races when history isn't run
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that ran it, pointing the finger, i think someone's saying when the 1st was to introduce retro curious its own classroom picture, think that somehow in germany it can be held responsible in some type of form of the truth. i do on a 94 in the way. yes. because they brought this, this division between could see what to question is another one. is it the must that off to this division, which the trim and brought to run the? was it the must that 100 just later? genocide happened to the dentist of my journey is belgium. the 1916 dimensions to quote and you're confronted from the germans jingled. will one products can machine gun give a 1000 run of troops to the germans to fight that guess they've been gems. but the builders wonder will have to control for under, under the monday affiliate of nations, systematically dig so the division of a to,
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to central, to, according to the, for me to can me, did you almost have to go to run the was talking to me to run that so, so that was the initial to be fixed from clear powers was actually, this is to magic dictation peach. this is a george and some if i people, induction will cause a to these people believe that there are some different and i am joined institute here by their funding. so make has some real issue with who we just saw in. that's sort of the, it's really good to be talking to. you're welcome to data views, africa, sam. i was particularly struck in fact, surprised to learn during the documentary that actually the what who to into, to identity was rooted into,
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sought out was clause. right. so this was not sort of an ethnic difference between these 2 peoples. it was haves and have nots. but as you then take us through this documentary, we learned that the colonizers actually pushed the notion that said that there was a difference. yeah, absolutely, that's right, and it's, it's one of the biggest, i think, misconceptions i think in history where you witness a profile creation of an identity that is not there before in which i read the consequences and run the inbound in some of the original countries and yeah, in many of the general defense, we to go to the, to the source of that's of when did this difference come from? yeah, so we, so you traveling across rwanda coming to your number of countries here as well. you missed a lot of people, you spoke to a lot of people. a lot of research went into this by the end of the project. what was the one thing you would have said stuck with you?
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so we'd have to tell because a lots today just in this, in this uh process. uh, but i think one of the biggest thing that stuck with me is there is look know that's the, was a creation of from the skis and to run the and of the cars. and there was any casual, actually occurred on your intention to occur in your project to actually push differences from the creating differences, but also to politically push differences and to make these people seem to have been different. and that was for me there. and they said that the biggest thing that it was look at these papers looked like just the actual project on the stage was, are we political? we have to divide people. yeah. 3 race track striking to discover that. yeah. because we have people in the arguments about colonialism, you hear people making the points and you highlight this as well. that, oh, but colonialism wasn't all that bad. it brought civilization. there it is really stupid the arguments because that clinician position was ordered by the stocks today with all that's introduced to actually dealing with the consequences of that
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is lucky to only the genocide in rwanda even today and 2024 some dealing with that's we come to borders identities, destruction of a casual structures. duties of that is something that still has, she was cause of course is on the african continent to that. so i don't, i don't see any positive outcome from coordination or examination was there before, you know, send your parents were both killed. you are 2 years old and that time a lot of your family members would to, the city is on. right. i'm just wondering what more you feel like you lost me, but also way you are at, in the sort of like the heating process would. would you say that today? city is on as a parent yourself, that when you're at peace with what happened, that you were all you in, in this whole like process often having to confront what happened and then also
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having to move on. it's a, it's a very interesting thing because people of my generation where there was a young thing, the genocide is now and today that's one of those that was just starting to confront the history. i mean, there's a generation of people who lived. it's an over the time, hadn't had the time to we under a move on from me or dealing with it. and for us, i think starting now that's what adults that we were having to do. all of our own stuff. mostly now dealing with all of this, so i'll say, i don't know it and we try to move on of course, and to be positive in the countries moving on. but the personal and emotional level is something that is still uh it'd be a big thing to explore and to do with it on a daily basis. so i think it's an ongoing gap, a journey with the, with the heating. yeah. yeah. well, thank you for taking us on that journey with you. i thought the film was a standard, a standard projects and we just learned so much about what happened and you'll kind of free and how it is still
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a real present reality today. so thank you. so much for coming into thank you very much. and that is it for now be sure to check out our other stories on dw dot com. forward slash africa were also on social media. now you may have noticed the plaintive music and the phone or the that was sophie zeiss saying, the singing, the song, rwanda will hear it isn't full. and we'll see you next time by the, the the
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