a lot dissipates from all over the world. from ladies you said there's donations. tend to shake tomorrow. join us and register now for the d. w global media for in 2020, for the phase where i live mid to kenning 7 for an aid workers in gaza. every in hopes that the humanitarian situation, my ease, and the desperately need of food can begin to reach the hundreds of thousands of risk of famine. for how realistic of those hopes, my guess is yeah. megan's head of them the wage and refugee council for decades of experience in the humanitarian field. he's also a former, diplomatically, was personally involved with a of low peace told between israel and the palestinians in the 1990s. how does he think his savage was connected? in 6 months the war must be over. i hope it's over in, in a week,

really. and, and that we sped for the blood boss and rough exelon says the power of a rising of garza now. right. so i'm, i'm the worst assault from any civilian population. in our time a day. why was the power on the stop before so many were killed? yeah. mega and welcome to come pick. so thank you very much. after the killing of the 7, the aid workers in gaza by israeli troops. that's the new hope that's the so the 8 situation might improve on the ground to some meaningful degree. do you think that hope is justified? yeah, the hope is justified. i i, we desperately need it. we haven't seen much proof of it. perhaps a little bit more trucks coming over, but the hidden shuttle on board,

the crossing in the south. i haven't seen trucks coming through the northern border crossings yet. and this then i left of restrictions on in terms of movement inside the south. that is red controls completely. now, except for rough, i in the south with the military troops. you mentioned rough. uh, if they uh on the slot, if they advance, is there any advance goes ahead and rafa, what would the situation be there then? i mean, they would be terrific beyond belief. i was there myself 51256 weeks ago. it's a, it's a place like nowhere else. and the one it's, it's in effect, the largest refuge account on us. 1.4000000 people crammed to get that in an area which is like once happens,

all the municipality of last row, where i live. these people have fled to 34, or 5 times. most of them, they have nowhere else to go because they cannot free into is red from where their ancestors pain. nor can they go into the chip. so the trap that a cook, they go, no. how's that good 3 knows what would meet them. there would be a heap of ruins. it's, it's, it's a horrific thing. it will be a black box to go into wrap up. that's why we're fight thing. this very idea. it's, and it's want to humanity to have a war in a refuge account. but even without rough or the statistics are pretty horrendous. are they those from the un office for the code? the nation of humanitarian to fast released on april 6, 1100000 people in gaza experiencing catastrophic food in security. there are

no quick fixes to that of the know very quick ones except that this is, there are hundreds, thousands of trucks that could go across the board across things in the north, to the common stricken north tomorrow every day that it but times can easily go in and out from is right. why couldn't 8 trucks go go in and out. this is the i'm at manmade department from 8 years that it's, it's, it's not the, the, the, the drought of somalia. and that's where this is an assignment made by a wall and made by a brocade that is rather has some post on the in us and does the sense that they not to the launched the, to the 99 percent not to participate in the horace of the 7th of october,

britton's father secretary david cameron said last week was we were told was previously impossible. event by the israelis suddenly became possible. i started port and the iris crossing will soon reopen water will be turned back on. more aid will flow through care of shuttle. um, um you see right. uh, do you see movement that would tell you that this is now happening, but that's be the change of heart on the is really side what i think finally, the united states read even german. it to some extent is accepting the pressure on, on the as rarely war machine to be paid according to, to the last a war that we didn't see. and that's in the 1st 5 months at, or we're seeing some of that now. and then comes to promises that the port stop would open, the border crossings would open. they haven't so far. it has been more trucks

coming over care rim shut on in the very south. yes. but it's been very hard to get enough trucks going north to that, or where fix it you haitian, where hundreds of thousands of people are in effect in, in them. and so what i hope is that those should provide the choose for this. the odds for this, the bombs or this indiscriminate assault on gossip. and they are the united states, germany and to a lesser extent, the u. k. and not the western countries they need need to really accept some really pressure and, and also stop providing arms to something which is on thought that they indiscriminate. we prove that from the past week in the response from is

read off to different reflect attacks. on the 7th of october, you seem to be citing the western countries which are on the one that i'm supplying . i'm selling on the other and i'm calling for it then to the, the 530 or at least a humanitarian pause. hypocritical is, is that 2 of you? uh, yeah, yeah. they uh, it, it, they all seen a super critical by the world but, but that's more than anything that the occupation and, and, and, and, and the plumbing of apartment houses and the turning or for electricity and water is that really bad in ukraine as we will on agree, but it's somehow or about what is well as doing the same. that's what the one sees as industrial, the scale it punk receive. what i would say is that they have been this problem thing lee, and put them in that the problem to save yourself

a is from they they must have seen because we provided the evidence for that that the assault was indiscriminate from for october, the 12th, the last yeah they, they know that we went never allowed access to to gossip as we stood as human at terry. and i want them my sons and let this to the us administration and to the you in mid october that if they allowed is red, which is a lick, your intent to controlling the port across things completely with the military stuff. it would never work in terms of human at their own access. so they knew all of this and it did very electric. but they continued to pride offs or all of this. what was best response when you gave them this morning? will to some extent we didn't even get an onset. but when we got tons this, they said when we take it for granted that this rally is uh,

is following the rules of what a warrior meant is having a law of conflict. we are asking them to provide humanitarian access. we will tell them again to provide humanitarian access. we are telling them to, to achieve the civilian population. and then we told them that you must see your stuff that not listening and upset sometimes to me it's like putting your fingerprints on over time. see if you provide 2000 pound bumps to place where one apartment house 1000000000 for the families is coming off to the other. how would you not have complicity in what's happening? how do you explain this diplomatic impotence as you call it from the west of nations? yeah, wait it yeah. i still have problems and understanding it because i think it was

strategic mistake of enormous proportions in the beginning uh that they didn't understand and learn from 911 in the united states where the phone went, went from having or sympathy with united everett body and then licked the ballot. people saw that there was water boarding and black sites and, and, and, and the, the, the us trust it's more of how i ground and it became some kind of mud wrestling match with the. so rick, pick the organizations the same thing. they must have had to see when they went to as well. and so what we all felt that the, what's the gross them, a mazda attack on the, on the is radius of bindham population and, and i,

i have come then those who say no, this was an operation in guest of to patient. this was live, ship the mid that it costs or what or that is renaissance. it was not, it was killing a women children concert go go was on the same kid but says it was horrific and condemn them but but, but then to, to go that and say, what behind whatever you do that was. but basically the message that it, that then the sort came and then it's very odd to say, oh oh, stop. what we'd like to start as the was going on, many countries have continued to repeat to the mantra that israel has every right to defend itself. because it suffered a run this casualties on october. the 7th. when you look at the statistics of this complex, particularly those relating to palestinian children nearly 26000 killed or injured sofa. according to save the children. is that in your view,

defense can be described as defenders. no, no. is poppy on legitimate self defense and n o cost is right as a right. so it depends. that's what on all those west and lead the pride and get on sites. it's legitimate sub defense and what the us even said from, from a relative really well on was that have been targeted operations against the how much i this what they decided to do was, and they made a mess visa, then that then you all government the most extreme in the history of israel, by the way, with ministers. cool, how cool? how cool have set things that that are on the rebate. they said we will make basically gusta on livable. we will change does have completely

we will not let in food. we will not let in electricity, we will not let in, in water. that's what they sent. early on. many, many minutes or so. all could have become a surprise when they saw what happened. you've seen plenty of conflict over the years, but you wrote in february to stand in the ruins of gaza is to be overwhelmed by the object failure of the international community for 4 decades. my work has taken me to many was old, but i've never be confronted by anything like this. what. what was the vase that confronted you and left such an abiding impression on you? yeah, i'm glad your your, your, your putting that question because there are some very unique features around garza and then there are some that are not boucher need. i've also been

a relate to the shot, shoot on board that and met the 10s of thousands of people up for let the object risk of who ensued don mass of sexual it violence, massive amounts of mass that goes and know 8 to speak of. and obviously beyond belief and minimal people live that kind of a reality in the shoot down. now, ben garza, so what's unique about casa is number one, there is no escape. there is no chunk o 4 o opponent or lebanon, or the palestinians trapped inside it, densely populated area. and that's the other one. i mean, this is densely populated without escape. sadly, it's

a more intense bachmann in this smart place vent in, in the place. and recent memory and then then lack of adequate access for you minute, terrance, to assist them. not because of lack of resources. because the, the, the border crossings are controlled with a belligerent that is not allowing it to go in. and then finally, what's that unique is that a general has don't us that high bus in ukraine and then shoot on and, and, and then so many other places the western countries are, are actually playing a very negative role here because they have that provide the tools or the attack, so we are at, out with the, with the governments that you, we are usually aligned with. but even without that being

aligned with is riley policy. even without that, you say they could have done much more when it comes to delivering aid to god. so you said, i would say to the countries like the u. k. and us, why haven't they organized their own con, voice into gaza? they come on the international law, how companies rel, is allowed to control. oh, going in, even at the egyptian gods border. international law says you have to enable enforced release to people who are stopping. if there was a belligerent who was denying it, they could of some pizza and up at the border with the aid and all that good, lied spears, riley stood to let them in or going across the different border. with that, when in, in, in, in cooperation with, with the, with egypt and set, hey eh, is read, are you going to bump this us, you take german con void that is going with fruit and other human and

relief that we friends of his friends have monitor ourselves, of course they wouldn't have done that. so a give you another example of them in, in syria there is an area controlled by, by on deposition groups. some of them of the name of a character. perhaps that would be a mouse. it maybe. yeah, it is slum it uh groups. uh, one of them which the legions to i tied up some. yes. back to that area, the convoys go over from turkey and there is a un security resolution enabling that and it's monitored by you and monitors. and it the, the, the, the, the a pro se very well,

and it's not like they are asking us that big the, the syrian government in, in the muskets spoke for permission. there was a lot of presidents that could have done this according to international role. and they did, and when you asked them about this, what was the response that the know we have to cooperate with this rug and the israel is interesting to control every single zillow that goes across the board even from, from egypt. so so, well i'm so type really weak weight where we're impotent, they admitted that that meant that, i mean that's i bought by it by also by, by that deep. i mean, i mean, not a single. the truck goes from egypt into directly into gus that without its having been monitored by yes, really pulses in the, in the your own on the as really side of the board that it's there we have

a you should go and see if set lying to come in the line to come in the queue to be monitored and, and fled to go back and into the no man's land to be reloaded in local trucks. to go to, to, to the starving children of the of golf site. it says it said it has been a different system from day one. you. i'm very glad. where do you see all this in another 6 months, more violence, most suffering? i. i really think them it will. it, we, we, we will not have this is short or read, but it's 6 months. the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week, really. and, and that we sped for the blood, the boss in rough up. but then we may have less

attention and the ruling casa, that needs on how to become live up, or what the people who may still be trucked there. most people with, well, i think want to leave that. that's what they told me when i was there, the, this, the fight this, the find, the own of these walls has made us believe this is no future for our children. we, we tried to go to your we will try to go which, but so i think that would be an extra this. i think that would be to let the resources for the rebuilding my organization that we serve refuge account. so has been charged by by leading b plus double gonna sation responsible for that. hosting. you're like, there are $400000.00 plus homes destroyed with

that much on but oh sion more than that. it's, it's, it's beyond belief and that needs to be rebuilt. and 6 months from now, one people will still be living at best intense. do you think many of the palestinians will get pushed into the sign? i that'd be robust. that egypt has actually been huddling over the price for accepting them. do you believe those rules or what i have, what i understand is that the extremist in is really politics and hispanic cabinet . you want to estimate clicked lens, people out of goss on in to see night from where they would not necessarily have the right to return to a rebuild. gosh, saw that, that may now even be, be colonized by this plus or celebrate thing in this run. the that what is happening and there, and hopefully a steaming up of the land from the,

from the policy. and so all of this we have to fight where it's, none of this is a given owner of this can be reversed and i hope that is well that needs to have recognition needs to be living in security. it needs to not be attacked by extremist as that. where on the 7th of october, i hope that is what would come to the census. i hope that the united states u. k. germany and this will on this time that it is out to productive for us, right? what has been done in the last few months? if they, if we want this right to live in security and peace and in recognition being recognized by the neighbors. that has to be a completely different that part of the policy problem is front. you were trying to stay involved with the peace talks that led to the oslo accords between israel and

the palestinians, and 1993 accords, which ultimately failed to bring a lasting peace settlement. but you have said, but the leaders who are now in key positions don't have the same stature onto the same color, but they were in 1993. the populace on both sides. what can you expect from those populace as you call them? yeah i, i'd say it's a, it's a complete lack of a believe the ship. of course an extreme is to happen. it's positions and is run and uh, and then on the policy and the side they all split and from mos shorted this route on the 7th of october and 10th hundreds of billions of the policy and administration is very weak and old. and so what i, what i hope is the fact that the is,

is randy or elliptical establishment will recognize that their ways had been counter productive for the future of his ride. i hope that on the policy in that side, there is a recognition that we need to be united thing and we need to have a new we need to cooperate as palestinians for a future that that would be new, need the ships on both sides and mo, most importantly, we need the united states, we need the european union and we need the gulf congress and n a and egypt and jordan, the 2 most important neighboring countries to cooperate in, in clustering or a solution. because i think a loan is ready to spell as it is. would it be in take the burden and unwilling to find it? common church you getting any sleep these days?

is there any kind of realistic hope that your managing to cling to? i wonder whether if that is on you, of all the suffering that you've seen close up when i, i, uh, i've seen that this has been one of the worst periods of my pope to. yes. so you're monitoring what good because the needs of growing so exponentially the resources available for us solid there at t. s level adults or gone down an international politics. oh, it's nice relations on not constructive nor effective, nor efficient. and but what not keeping up hope. yeah, big like we have to leave it that. thank you so much for big and complex. i appreciate your time. thank you.

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