the bill, if you have the time, please fill in the survey on the on screen link or in the description. thanks for watching and take care. the offer is rarely admitted. kidding. 7 for an aid workers in gaza. that'd be in hopes that the humanitarian situation. my ease and the desperately need of food can begin to reach the hundreds of thousands of risk of famine. for how realistic of those hopes, my guess is yeah, mega and head of them the wage and refugee council for decades of experience in the humanitarian field. he's also a former, diplomatically, was personally involved with the last piece told between israel and the palestinians in the 1990. how does he think this savage was connected? and 6 months the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week,

really. and, and that we sped for the blood fox and rough, big alonzo as the power arising of garza now. right. so i'm, i'm the worst assault from any civilian population. you know, time a day. why would spend the power on the, the good stuff before so many were killed? yeah, mega and welcome to come pick. so thank you very much. after the killing of the 7, the aid workers in gaza by israeli troops. that's the new hope that's the. so the 8 situation might improve on the ground to some meaningful degree. do you think that hope is justified? yeah, the hope is justified. i i, we desperately need it. we haven't seen much proof of it. perhaps a little bit more trucks coming over the hidden shun on board the crossing in the

south. i haven't seen trucks coming through the northern border crossings yet. and this, the left of restrictions on, in terms of movement inside the south, that is red control was completely no except for rough and the south with their military troops. you mentioned rough uh if they uh, on the slot, if they advance is really advanced, goes ahead and rough or what would the situation be there then? i mean, they would be terrific beyond belief. i was there myself 5 to 56 weeks ago. it's a, it's a place like nowhere else in the one it's, it's in effect, the largest refuge account on us. 1.4000000 people crammed to get that in an area which is like once happens,

all the municipality of us know where i live. these people have fled to 34 or 5 times. most of them they have nowhere else to go because they are not free and 2 is red from where their ancestors haine. nor can they go into the chip. so the trap that a cook, they don't know, i'd say good 3 knows what would meet them. there would be a heap of ruins. it's it's, it's a horrific thing. it will be a black box to go into wrap up. that's why we're fight thing this very idea. it's and it's one to humanity, to have a war in a refuge account. but even without rough or the statistics are pretty horrendous. aren't they? those from the un office for the code, the nation of humanitarian to fast released on april 6, 1100000 people in gaza experiencing catastrophic food insecurity. there was no

quick fixes to that of the know very quick ones the, except that this is our off hundreds, thousands of trucks that could go across the board across things in the north to the time and stricken north tomorrow. i mean they that it but times can easily go in and out from is right. why couldn't 8 trucks go go in and out. this is the, i'm at manmade fireman from h is that it's, it's, it's not the, the, the, the drought of somalia. and that's where this is, and simon made by it well and made by a brocade. that is right. it has some post on the in us and does sense that they not to the launched the, to the 99 percent not to participate in the horace of the 7th of october.

britton's father secretary david cameron said last week was we were told was previously impossible. event by the israelis suddenly became impossible. i started port and the air is crossing will soon reopen water will be turned back on. more aid will flow through care of shuttle. um, um you see right, uh, do you see movement that would tell you that this is now happening, but that's be the change of heart on the is really side what i think finally, the united states, rick and even germany to some extent is accepting the pressure on, on b as rarely war machine to be paid according to, to the last a war that we didn't see. and that's in the 1st 5 months at, or we're seeing some of that now. and then comes to the problem is that the port stop would open, the border crossings would open. they haven't so far. it has been more trucks

coming over care rim shut on in the very south. yes. but it's been very hard to get enough trucks going north to that or were fix it, you, asian by hundreds of thousands of people are in effect in, in them. and so what i hope is that those should provide the choose for this. the odds for this, the bombs or this indiscriminate assault on gossip. and they are the united states, germany and to a lesser extent, the u. k. and not the western countries they need need to really accept some really pressure and, and also stop providing arms to something which is on thought that they indiscriminate. we prove that from the 1st week in the response from is

read off to the of a riff. it attacks on the 7th of october. you seem to be citing the western countries which are on the one that and supplying comes out on the other hand, calling for it then to the, the fighter you or at least a humanitarian pause. hypocritical is, is about to view. uh yeah, yeah, they, uh it, it, they all seen a super critical by the world but, but that's more than anything that the occupation and, and, and, and, and, and the plumbing of apartment houses and the turning off for electricity and water is not really bad in ukraine as we will on agree, but it's somehow honorable, what is what it's doing the same. that's what the one sees as industrial, the scale it progress. see what i would say is that they have been a this town thing lee. and put that in that the pro, the save yourself

a is from they they must have seen because we provided the evidence for that that the assault was indiscriminate from october. the 20th. the last yeah. they, they know that we went and that's the allowed access to, to gossip. as we stood at you a minute terry, and i want them my sons and left us to the us administration. and to be you in mid october. that if they allowed is from which is a lick your intent to controlling the port across inch, completely with the military stop. it would never work in terms of your minute. they're not. so they knew all of this and the did very electric, but they continued to pride offs or all of this, what was their response? when you gave them this morning, will to some extent we didn't even get an onset. but when we got tons this,

they said when we take it for granted that this reality is, is following the, the rules of what a war human is having a low of on conflict. we are asking them to provide humanitarian access. we will tell them again to provide humanitarian access. we are telling them to, to achieve the civilian population. and then we told up what you must see yourself that i'm not listening and upset sometimes to me it's like putting your fingerprints on over time. see if you provide 2000 pound bumps to place where one apartment house 1000000000 for the families is coming off to the other. how would you not have complicity in what's happening? how do you explain this diplomatic impotence as you call it from the west of nations? yeah, we didn't. yeah, i still have problems and understanding it because i think it was strategic mistake

of enormous proportions in the beginning uh that they didn't understand and learn from 911 in the united states where the phone world went from having more sympathy with the united states. everybody and then licked the ballot beeper so that there was worked at boarding and black sites and, and, and, and the, the, the us trust it's more of how a high ground and it became some kind of mud wrestling match with these horrific organizations. the same thing they must have had foreseen when they went to as well. and so what we all felt that the, what's the gross them, a mazda attack on the, on the, is radius of been in population then. and i, i have come then those to say no,

this was an operation guest of 2 patients. this was legitimate that it costs or what all that is renaissance. it was not, it was killing a women. children concept go, go, was ominous, and keep up says it was horrific and come down about it. but, but then to, to go the insight. what behind whatever you do that was, but basically the message then that then the saw, okay, and then it's very odd to say, oh oh, stop. what we like to start. as the was going on, many countries have continued to repeat to the mantra that israel has every right to defend itself because it suffered a run this casualties on october. the 7th. when you look at the statistics of this complex, particularly those relating to palestinian children nearly $26000.00 killed or injured sofa according to save the children. is that in your view defense?

can it be described as defense? no, no. is poppy on legitimate stuff depends and, and of course is right, that's a right of self defense. that's what on, on, on those west the lead the pride and get on the site. it's legitimate sub to fed. and what the us even said from, from a relative really well on was that have been targeted operations against the how much i this what they decided to do was, and they made the list visa, then that then you all government the most extreme in the history of israel, by the way, with ministers who have set things that, that are on them. but really they said, we will make basically gusta on level, but we will change casa completely. we will not let in fruit. we will not let in

electricity, we will not let in, in, in water. that's what they sent. early on, many, many minutes or so. all could have become a surprise when they saw what happened. you've seen plenty of conflict over the years, but you wrote in february to stand in the ruins of gaza is to be overwhelmed by the object failure of the international community. for, for decades. my work has taken me to many was but i have never be confronted by anything like this. what, what was the vase that confronted you and left such a binding impression on you? yeah, i'm glad your your, your, your putting that question because there are some very unique features around garza and then there are some that are not that unique. i've also been

a relate to the chat, to don for that and make the 10s of thousands of people up for let the object risk of death who ensued don, mass of sexual it violence, massive amounts of mass that goes and know 8 to speak of. and obviously beyond belief and minimal people live that kind of a reality in the should done. now, belin gusta. so what's unique about casa is number one, there is no escape. there is no chunk or full or opponent or let been on hold. the palestinians trapped inside it then stood populated area. and that's the other one. i mean, this has been split up related without escape. sadly, it's a more, inc,

and it's on boardman in this smart place vent in, in the place and recent memory. and then then lack of adequate access for you minute, terrans, to assist them. not because of lack of resources. because the, the, the border crossings are controlled with a belligerent that is not allowing it to go in. and then finally, what's that unique is that a general has don't us that high bus in ukraine and then shoot on and, and, and then so many other places the western countries are, are actually playing a very negative role here because they have that provide the tools or the attack, so we are at, out with the, with the governments that you, we are usually aligned with. but even without that being

aligned with is ready policy. even without that, you say they could have done much more when it comes to delivering a to gosh, or you said, i would say to the countries like, do you can us, why haven't they organized around con, voice in the gaza. they come on the international law, how companies rel, is allowed to control. oh, going in, even at the egyptian gods border. international law says you have to enable enforced release to people who are stopping. if there was a belligerent who was denying it, they called of champagne, tugged up at the border with the aid. i'm not that good. lied spears rarely stood to let them in or going across the different border. with that when in, in, in, in cooperation with, with the, with egypt and set, hey eh, is red, are you going to bump this us, you take german con void that is going with fruit and other human to them

relief that we ran. so this red monitor ourselves, of course they wouldn't have done that. so a give you another example of them in, in syria. there is an area controlled by, by on deposition groups. some of them of the name of a character. perhaps that would be i'm us. uh, it may be just a slum it uh groups. uh, one of them which the legions do i tell you that some? yes. back to that area, the convoys go over from turkey. and there is a un security resolution enabling that, and it's monitored by you and monitors. and it, the, the, the, the, the a pro se very well. and it's not like they are asking us thought big the,

the syrian government in, in the muskets spoke for permission. there was a lot of presidents that could have done this according to international role. and they did. and when you asked them about this, what was the response that the know we have to cooperate with this rug and the israel is interesting to control every single zillow that goes it across the board, even from, from egypt. so so, well i'm so type really we wait where we're impotent, they admitted that that meant that, i mean that's i bought by it by also by, by that deep. i mean, i mean, not a single. the truck goes from egypt into direction to gaza without its having been monitored by us. really pulses in the, in the, your own on the as really side of the board that it's, there we have

a you should go and see it set lying to come in the line to come in the queue to be monitored and, and fled to go back and into the no man's land to be reloaded in local trucks, to go to to, to the starving children of the of golf site. it's, it said it has been a different system from day one. yeah. america land. where do you see? oh, this is another 6 months, more violence most suffering. i. i really think them it will, it, we, we, we will not have this is short or read, but as 6 months the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week. really. and, and that we sped for the blood off in rough,

but then we may have less attention and the ruling casa, that needs on how to become live up, or what the people who may still be trucked there. most people with, well, i think want to leave that. that's what they told me when i was there this the fight this, the find the own of these walls has made us believe this is no future for our children. we. we tried to go to new york, we will try to go west, but so i think that would be an extra this. i think that will be to let the resources for the rebuilding my organization that we should refuge account. so has been charged by by leading b plus double cannot station responsible against that. hosting you're like, there are $400000.00 plus homes destroyed. what

damage on, but oh sion more than that it's, it's, it's beyond belief and that needs to be rebuilt. and 6 months from now, one people will still be living at best intense. do you think many of the palestinians will get pushed into the sign either be robust, that egypt has actually been huddling over the price for accepting them? do you believe those rules or what have, what understand is that the extremist in is really politics and hispanic cabinet? you want to estimate clicked lens, people out of goss on in to see night from where they will not necessarily have the right to return to a rebuild godsa that, that may now even be be the colonized by the settlers or us having the right thing in this run the that what is happening and there, and hopefully a steaming up of the land from the,

from the policy. and so all of this we have to fight where it's, none of this is a given. one of this can be reversed and i hope, but it's well that needs to have recognition, needs to be living in security, needs to not be attacked by extremists as well. on the 7th of october, i hope that is what would come to the census. i hope that the united states u. k. germany and this will on this time, that it is out to productive for us, right. what has been done in the last few months? if they, if we want desperate to live in security and peace and in recognition being recognized by the neighbors, that has to be a completely different uh, product policy problem is from you. one expression is very weak and old. and so what i, what i hope is that the is,

is randy or lifting establishment will recognize that their ways have been counter productive for the future before i hope that on the senate side there is a recognition that we need to be united thing. and we need to have a new we need to cooperate as palestinians for a future that that would be new, need the ships on both sides and mo, most importantly, we need the united states. we need the european union and we need to go to congress and en, eh, and egypt and jordan, the 2 most important neighboring countries to cooperate in, in plus string for a solution. because i think a loan is ready to spell as it is. would it be incapable of an unwilling to find a common church? are you getting any sleep these days?

is there any kind of realistic hope that your managing to cling to? i wonder what the effect is on you of all the suffering that you've seen close up when i i uh, i've seen that this has been one of the west periods of my hope to. yes, i said you were monitoring work. yeah. because the needs of growing so exponentially the resources available for us solid there at t. s level adults for gone down an international politics. oh, it's nice relations on not constructive nor expected, nor efficient. and but what not keeping up pope. yeah. big like we have to leave with that. thank you so much for big and complex. i appreciate your time. thank you

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