the bills, if you have the time, please fill in the survey on the on screen link or in the description. thanks for watching and take care. the is where i live, mr. king 7 for an aide work is in garza. that'd be in hopes that the humanitarian situation, my ease, and the desperately need of food can begin to reach the hundreds of thousands of risk of famine. for how realistic of those hopes, my guess is yeah. megan's head of them the wage and refugee council for decades of experience in the humanitarian field. he's also a former diplomatically, was personally involved with a low peace told between israel and the palestinians in the 1990. how does he think his savage was connected? in 6 months the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week,

really and, and that we sped for the blood boss in rough excellence has the power of a rising of garza now ranks among the worst assault from any civilian population. in our time a day. why was the power on the subject before so many were killed? young welcome to come pick. so thank you very much. after the killing of the 7, the aid workers in gaza by israeli troops, that's the new hope that's the. so the aid situation might improve on the ground to some meaningful degree. do you think that hope is justified? yeah, the hope is justified. i, i, we desperately need it. we haven't seen much proof of it. perhaps a little bit more trucks coming over the am shutting them on board the crossing in

the south. i haven't seen trucks coming through the northern border crossings yet, and there's still a lot of restrictions on, in terms of movement, inside dos out, that is red controls completely. now, except for rough. i in the south with the military troops. you mentioned rough. uh, if they uh, on the slot, if they advance is rarely advised, goes ahead and rough or what would the situation be there then? i mean, they would be terrific beyond belief. i was there myself 5. 056 weeks ago. it's a, it's a place like nowhere else in the one it's, it's in effect, the largest refuge account on us. 1.4000000 people crammed to get that in an area which is like once happens,

all the municipality of us know where i live. these people have fled to 34, or 5 times. most of them they have nowhere else to go because like i'm not free into is red from, with their answers this paid nor can they go into the chip. so the trap that a quick, they don't know, i'd say good 3 knows what would meet them. there would be a heap of ruins. it's it's, it's a horrific thing. it would be a black box to go into wrap up. that's why we're fight thing this very idea. it's and it's want to humanity to have. it will enter refuge account, but even without rough or the statistics are pretty horrendous. aren't they? those from the un office for the code, the nation of humanitarian to fast released on april 6, 1100000 people in gaza experiencing catastrophic food insecurity. there are no

quick fixes to that of the know very quick ones that step that this is there are hundreds, thousands of trucks that could go across the board across things in the north to the time and stricken north tomorrow every day that it but times can easily go in and out from is right. why couldn't 8 trucks go go in and out. this is the, i'm at manmade fireman from h is that it's, it's, it's not the, the, the, the drought of somalia. and that's where this is simon made by it. well, and made by a brocade that is right. it has some post on the in us and does the sense that they not to the launched the, to the 99 percent not to participate in the horace of the 7th of october.

britton's father, the secretary david cameron said last week was we were told was previously impossible. event by the israelis suddenly became possible. i started port and the iris crossing will soon reopen water will be turned back on. more aid will flow through care of shuttle. um, um you see right uh, do you see movement that would tell you that this is now happening, but that's be the change of heart on the is really side what i think finally the united states, red, even germany to some extent is accepting the pressure on on the as really war machine to be paid according to to the laws of war that we didn't see. and that's in the 1st 5 months at or we're seeing some of that now. and then comes to the promises that the port stop would open, the border crossings would open. they have been so far. it has been more trucks

coming over care rim shut on in the very south. yes. but it's been very hard to get enough trucks going north to that, or where fix it you haitian, where hundreds of thousands of people are in effect in, in them. and so what i hope is that those should provide the choose for this. the odds for this, the bombs oh, this indiscriminate assault on gossip. and they are the united states, germany and to a lesser extent, the u. k. and not the western countries they need need to really exit some really pressure and, and also stop providing arms to something which is on top of the indiscriminate. we proved that from the 1st week in the response from is read off to different riff

it attacks on the 7th of october. you seem to be citing the western countries which are on the one that i'm supplying. i'm selling them. yeah. that i'm calling for then to the, the 530, or at least a humanitarian pause. hypocritical is, is that to view? uh, yeah, yeah. they uh, it, it, they all seen a super critical by the world but, but that's more than anything that the occupation and, and, and, and, and the plumbing of apartment houses and the turning off for electricity and water is not really bad in ukraine as we will all agree, but it's somehow or what as well as doing the same, that's what the one sees as industrial, the scale it punk receive. what i would say is that they have been, that is totally thing lee. and put that in the pro, the save yourself

a is from they they must have seen because we provided the evidence for that that the assault was indiscriminate from october. the 20th. the last yeah. they, they know that we went never allowed access to to gossip as we stood as human at terrance. i want them my sons and let this to the us administration and to be you in mid october, that if they allowed is from which is a lick your intent to controlling the port, the crossings on politically, with the military stop. it would never work in terms of your minutes or not. so they knew all of this and the did very electric, but they continued to pride offs or all of us. what was their response? when you gave them this morning will to some extent we didn't even get an onset. but when we got the answers, they said, when we take it for granted,

that this reality is, is following the, the rules of what a warrior meant is having a low up on conflict, we are asking them to provide humanitarian access. we will tell them again to provide humanitarian access. we are telling them to, to achieve the civilian population. and then we told up, but you must see your stuff that i'm not listening and upset 7 times to me. it's like putting your fingerprints on over a crime scene. if you provide 2000 pound bumps to place one apartment, house civilian for not comedies is coming off to the other. how would you not have complicity in what's happening? how do you explain this diplomatic of impotence as you call it from the west of nations? yeah, we didn't. yeah, i still have problems and understanding it because i think that was it strategic

mistake of enormous proportions in the beginning uh that they didn't understand and learn from 911 in the united states where the phone went, went from having border sympathy with the united states everybody and then licked the ballot beeper saw that there was water boarding and black sites and, and, and, and the, the, the us trust it's more of how i ground and it became some kind of mud wrestling match with the side or risk to get organizations. the same thing they must have had foreseen when they went to as well. and so what we all felt that the, what's the gross them, a mazda attack on the, on the, is radius of bindham population then, and i, i have come then those to say no,

this was an operation guest up to patients. this was legitimate that it costs or what or that is renaissance. it was not, it was killing a women, children concert. go go us as an keep up says it was horrific and condemned about it. but, but then to, to go the insight. what behind whatever you do that was, but basically the message then that then the so okay, and then it's very odd to say, oh oh, stop. what we like to start. as the was going on, many countries have continued to repeat to the mantra that israel has every right to defend itself because it suffered a run this casualties on october. the 7th. when you look at the statistics of this complex, particularly those relating to palestinian children nearly $26000.00 killed or injured sofa according to save the children. is that in your view defense?

can it be described as defenders? no, no. it's poppy on legitimate self defense and energy costs as well as a right. so it depends. that's what on all those west and lead to providing um sites. it's legitimate subject, but and what the us even said from, from a relative really well on was for, they've been targeted operations against the how much i this what they decided to do was, and they made the list visa, then that then you all government the most extreme in the history of this right of by the way, with ministers. cool. how cool, how cool have set things that, that are from them to. but really they said we will make basically gusta on level but we will change. does have completely we will not let in food. we

will not let in electricity, we will not let in, in, in water. that's what they sent early on. many, many minutes or so. all could have become a surprise when they saw what happened. you've seen plenty of conflict over the years, but you wrote in february to stand in the ruins of gaza is to be overwhelmed by the object failure of the international community. for, for decades. my work has taken me to many was but i have never be confronted by anything like this. what, what was the vase that confronted you and left such an abiding impression on you? yeah, i'm glad your your, your, your putting that question because there are some very unique features around garza and then there are some that are not batch unique. i've also been of late to the

shot shoot on board that and met the 10s of thousands of people up for let the object risk of who ensued don mass of sexual it violence massive amounts of mass that goes and know 8 to speak. golf and i would be beyond belief and minimal people live that kind of a reality in the shoot down. now ben garza, so what's unique about gaza is number one. there is no escape. there is no chunk o 4 o opponent or let been for the palestinians trapped inside it, densely populated area. and that's the other one. i mean, this has been split up related without escape. sadly, it's a more inc,

ends on bought meant in this smart place. then in, in the place and, and, and recent memory. and then then lack of adequate access for you monitoring to assist them. not because of lack of resources. because the, the, the border crossings are controlled with a belligerent that is not allowing it to go in. and then finally, what's that unique is that a general is don't us that high bus in ukraine and then shoot on and, and, and then so many other places what's been countries are, are actually playing a very negative role here because they have that provide the tools or the attack, so we are at, out with the, with the governments that you, we are usually a language. but even without that to being aligned with is riley

policy. even without that, you say they could have done much more when it comes to delivery gate to gosh, or you said, i would say to the countries like the you can us, why haven't they organized around them come voice in the gaza. they come on the international law, how companies rel, is allowed to control. oh, going in, even at the egyptian gods. the border international law says you have to enable enforced release to people who are stopping. if there was a belligerent who was denying it, they could of some pay turned up at the border with the aid. i'm not that good, lied spears writers to let them in or going across the different border with that when in, in, in, in cooperation with, with the, with egypt and set, hey, eh, is read, are you going to bump this us, you take german con,

void that is going with fruit and other. ringback humanitarian relief that we friends of his friends have monitored ourselves. of course they wouldn't have done that. so a give you another example of them in, in syria there is an area controlled by, by on deposition groups. some of them of the name of a character perhaps that would be i'm us. it maybe. yeah. it is slamming the groups. uh yeah. one of them fledged the legions to i tied the some. yes. back to that area, the convoys go over from techie and there is a un security resolution and enabling that, and it's monitored by you and monitors. and it the, the, the, the, the ide strauss very well. and it's not like they are asking us thought big the,

the syrian government in, in damascus, spoke for permission. there was a lot of presidents that could have done this according to international role. and they did. and when you asked them about this, what was the response that the know we have to cooperate with this rug and the israel is insisting to control every single zillow that goes it across the board even from, from egypt. so so, well i'm so type really weak weight where we're impotent, they admitted that that meant that, i mean that's i bought by it by also by, by the dates. i mean, i mean not a single. the truck goes from egypt into directly into gus that without its having been monitored by us, really pulses in the, in the, your own on the as really side of the board that it's there we have

a you should go and see it set lying to come in the line to come in the queue to be monitored and, and fled to go back and into the no man's land to be reloaded in local trucks. to go to, to, to the starving children of the of golf site. it's this, it said it has been a different system from day one. yeah, i'm very glad. where do you see? oh, this is another 6 months, more violence, most suffering. now i, i really think them it will. it, we, we, we will not have this is short or right, but it's 6 months. the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week. really. and, and that we are sped for the blood, the boss in rough. but then we may have less

attention and the ruling casa, that needs on how to become live up, or what the people who may still be trucked bad. most people with, well, i think want to leave that. that's what they told me when i was there. this the fight this the find the own of these walls has made us believe this is no future for our children. we. we tried to go to new york, we will try to go west, but so i think that would be an extra this. i think that will be to let the resources for the rebuilding my organization that we serve refuge account. so has been charged by by leading b plus double gonna station responsible for that. hosting. you're like, there are $400000.00 plus homes destroyed with

that much on but oh sion more than that. it's, it's, it's beyond belief and that needs to be rebuilt. and 6 months from now on people would still be living at best intense. do you think many of the palestinians will get pushed into the sign? i that'd be robust. egypt has actually been huddling over the price for accepting them. do you believe those rules or what i have? what i understand is that the extremist in is really politics and hispanic cabinet . you want to estimate clicked lens, people out of goss on, in to see night from where they would not necessarily have the right to return to a rebuild. gosh, saw that, that may now even be, be colonized by this plus or celebrate thing in this run the, that what is happening and there, and hopefully a steaming up of the land from the,

from the policy. and so all of this we have to fight where it's, none of this is a given point of this can be reversed and i hope that is well that needs to have recognition needs to be living in security. it needs to not be attacked by extremists as that. where on the 7th of october, i hope that is what would come to the census hope that the united states u. k. germany and this will on this time that it is out to productive for us. right, what has been done in the last few months if they, if we want this right to live in security and peace and in recognition being recognized by the neighbors. that has to be a completely different uh, product policy from is from you a pro se involved with the p stokes that lead to the alls level codes between

israel and the palestinians. and 1993 accords which ultimately failed to bring a lasting peace settlement. but you have said, but the leaders who are now in key positions don't have the same stature onto the same color, but they were in 1993. the populace on both sides. what can you expect from those populace as you call the? yeah i, i'd say it's a, it's a complete lack of a believe the ship, of course uh extreme is to happen its positions and is run and uh, and then on the policy and the side they all split and from mos shorted this route on the 7th of october and 10th hundreds of billions. uh, the published in administration is very weak and old. and so what i,

what i hope is that the is, is randy or elliptical establishment will recognize that their ways have been counter productive for the future of his ride. i hope that on the senate side, there is a recognition that we need to be unite thing and we need to have a new we need to cooperate as palestinians for a future that that would be new, need the ships on both sides and mo, most importantly we need the united states, we need the european union, and we need to go to congress and en, eh, and egypt and jordan, the 2 most important neighboring countries to cooperate in, in plus string for a solution because i think alone is ready to spell as it is, would it be incapable and unwilling to find a common church?

are you getting any sleep these days? is there any kind of realistic hope that your managing to cling to? i wonder what the effect is on you of all the suffering that you've seen close up when i i, i've seen that this has been one of the west periods of my pope to yes. so you're monitoring what get because the needs of growing so exponentially the resources available for us all it there at t. s level door for gone down and international politics. oh, it's nice relations on not constructive, nor effective, nor efficient. and by the way, not keeping up pope yeah, big like we have to leave with that. thank you so much for big and complex. i appreciate your time. thank you.

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