it's very hard on a ron. the americans are not there and this is exactly this conundrum. this is exactly the find it israel is in and going to have to see how long it takes it to find maybe some way out shiny. thank you. as always, but his dw middle east analyst, a shiny rose on us and we can speak now to hands. you all commissions are a senior director of the counter extremism project. thank you so much for speaking with us. on the double you news, i'd like to start with your thoughts on what has happened to your what do you make of the a tac last night to thank you so much for having me. it was me a you raining explanation which is nicholas and unfortunately really complicates things, but it was an escalation again within the reading and twist. so what happened is, immediately after the drones and the rockets launch from the ring in the territory, united states tv officially announced the launch giving these ray least hours in the case of the drones. and very long time the case of the missiles to actually get

ready to defend themselves, including with the help of the men i can. so clearly the radians wanted to show make a show force and minimizing the damage that the actual force would uh meet upon is around. um, in a including then of course getting the un mission. yeah. new york. and there's going to be a security council meeting later today. evening time in germany again, new york on this attack, getting the writing mission of all places to announce that this could be it from our side. this is already on the ation case closed. if you choose to close the case and then having the family representative to say we no longer want any escalation. and we only made use of our right to self defense according to the writing cop, which of course, totally integrates the points that it has to be a proportional response. and then that rockets and drones is not exactly

a pop in the eyes of the ring. and a proportional response. so if i understand you correctly, it sounds like you think in this case, iran needed to be seen to be doing something in response. do you think that iran it could have mounted a stronger attack and whether this was something it considered? yeah, i mean, they haven't put on all the stops. don't forget. so his boss is it packed a, the extension of the new regime in there, but only does have a very sizable house. now that has the potential to actually over around is really a defense as, as they have seen in ukraine. it's not the individual shy drones of the rain inside the problem. it's the number of sight drones that i fired. that is the problem in this number that was fired last night really was not sufficient to over battle. these really defense is not, in my opinion, what the design to do. so simply shore force inside the around. now, of course, the resume celebrates these, as the great success of the problem is all sites i've lost,

the tenants here. these really is not for most of the trends because it is i'm present into that is the 1st time since it's not making resolution, but you're on the tax itself from each time we don't know flat broke seek as well. but also do you mean you really failure to hit anything? literally anything in israel means they mouth just demonstrated that potentially their systems are not good enough to withstand is around which then of course was what on demand of those. and he's ready to say, this is a good time to do, a very forceful responds and will be evaluated. the prize goes to the readings just showed us that systems are not as good as they thought they were. so with the deterrents compromised, as you say, do you think that now after, after almost a more than a decade of proxy war, some kind of threshold has been crossed here, where we've seen a direct ronnie and attack on his really swell a i'm just a small correction the proxy war between is really the wrong,

didn't start if they get it go, it started much, much longer to go from the beginning, the enmity and they need against israel was part of the core ideological tenants of these let me group optical, 3 rock. so it's been at a higher level in the last decade, but it's always been the, it's always being one of the, as i said, core ideological themes of the main regime. what happens now is really the, in a new situation in the middle east. and there's really no good way out of this because both sides have to find and use it really read them again and we have not yet that, that it becomes clear what that you really don't actually with me. how concerned are you about the likelihood of escalation here? how do you expect to be as re lease to react? i mean, it's a very, very, very 10 situation. and any misstep from either one of the sites is going to really detroit potentially uncontrollable escalation. yeah, we already have

a what you're shooting war not only with guy but also with a will face and is pull out for many, many months since october 7th. i mean, i will have this direct to talk to you if these really responds is attacking inside the rob. and then they're also levels of escalation that you use ratings could choose. they could just simply attack some of the many games donations for which those are what goods and drones launched. this would be a classic us response to hit those spaces from which you are attacked. but these radius could also decides to last the finally solve what these really government has always said is they may just read the actual speech, but it won't be wrong if it's nuclear program and attack the, the reigning threatened solutions inside the rod, which would be a now the major major explanation hands, these are named us officials, lot, you know, talking to the media. united states saying, i'm biden said to nathaniel,

i won't be able to defend you and be i'm in class on your side. but we will not support your manual offensive operations inside the wrong. now, if this is really what the american president sits to, the biggest range apartment is to which country just got attacked. it is a very, very, i'm president, a statement from anybody can a president and it really shows how deep deep the concern is in the was administration that this now and get out of control. do you think the website ministration is also concerned about spread outside the region? well, you know, i mean my personal assessment was that it's very likely that maintenance would respond with the tax against is randy diplomatic. uh and also she institutions outside the future. the image is something that the radiance have done before i remind you of that. was it packed in uh, south america in argentina, against the embassy and a control center in ninety's ninety's, even in berlin, where you are right now in 1992, there was the beginning of thumb at you mean in exile pull additions. and then we

can also attack, there was a bombing obviously, and the tourist in 2012 in full gospel dario. so you're in, iran has demonstrated that you can also attack and strike outside of the region with the help by the way of response protects them each one of these days. so, you know, there are levels of retaliation that you're on has not yet taken. and what do you expect around proxies in the region like has the law and the who the rebels to do here to well, i mean one has to defend differentiate between the proxies and the control that you're on ultimately has full instruction. this now is paula is a 100 percent remaining creation. it was at the core of forming his phone off during the civil war in live and on the 1980s from the on say. so is it really is an extension of the stomach republic, either proxies, especially the whole face, of really being newly added to the union portfolio proxies only really after

2015, and the attack of saudi arabia. therefore, you are e n d r states under, with these in yemen, you mean in see a oppertunity yet strength and their relationship build up the fees in order to essentially net their regional arrival. so they read the fleet, now they will fees are therefore less in debt. it's due to convenience, and these are all nice and therefore the wrong will. they might always be able to have the abilities to shoot if the maintenance ultimately can tell that with these to stop shooting and they will, that still remains to be seen. for example, leave for months now really being attempts to tom tom down the fees and to tell them that it's not would continue to harass shipping the right seat. and i will find the meetings even if the driver doesn't seem to be able to stop there. so the escalation can also come inadvertently by these folks. these are, you know,

in various measures of control of as you say, we've seen shipping disrupted in the red sea. what you think the effect here might be on energy markets. if we do continue to see an escalation of the region to so far in the national transport has managed to emerge a real crisis. and when he comes to the red sea, of course contain a vices of tablets. shipping insurance have tripled, and ships need to go now around that have to can come to the end, which adds 10 days. however, this is not really affecting energy exports so far. however, the radiance just before the long story, short goods and drones actually took a is really own or link chip to the sodium group of the offer. i v m s m s. c. our use industry to, for most of the portable data, which i, it out hostage essentially like pirates to guy look up there and basically forced

the ship to enter in the reading hob. now if this continues, the straight from was, is actually a very large energy supply route. not only for saudi and you are e oil, but also for energy from time which supplies in a major way was trailer and japan and then and increasing manner. european union during germany because as the, the german government ended in your same gas and in g deals with cut the impact, substitute the gas, they're no longer purchasing from russia. so any trumpeting the straight from what was, of course, a major emitted said for energy prices on the growth. however, this is also a huge loose proposition for the maintenance because that time cuz also need to straight and leave the straight for or for most. and us has enough military assets in the persian gulf to make sure if other ships can't leave or, and definitely raining time because also won't leave for enter the street. so this

is hopefully escalation stage, that the reason is that not to contemplate taking whatever these rates that will centers, if you could tell us what kind of diplomatic efforts we've seen from is rails allies in europe, including germany, to try to de escalate the situation here well, in the run up to this uh, the american administration really put all pulled out all the stops. they were very clearly communicating. i remind you, a prison by them said simply, don't let the maintenance shouldn't attack israel. they asked the china techie germany, the u. k. your pain stage as well as ab states to talk to the radians to tell them not to do this. i'm not enough. this came to friction. now of course the is going to be the g 7 meeting later today. that is the security council. think china has already warned against escalation. it is certainly not in the interest of russia to see it's new and you found allowing your brain walking around significantly

weakened. so there is significant forces, but i'm told down. do you mean? so it's all really depends on what these rated sides decides. now when you're ready design a very uncomfortable position, you'll always can decide to start an explanation. you're rarely on the one voice deciding when to stop. well, thank you so much for joining us today with your insights, that is tunzia option there from a counter extremism project. we appreciate your time. thank you so much for having me. so if you're just joining us, let's get a recap of what we know so far. the israeli army says more than 300 missiles and drones were fired from iran directly toward israel. most of the muscles were intercepted by israel and the united states, the u. k. and jordan have also shot down drones, air raid sirens that sounded across israel and explosions were heard in jerusalem. iranian revolutionary guard says the assault is in retaliation for an attack on its

consulate in syria, which killed several generals iranian diplomats. the united nations set in the statements, but their attack on israel can quote, be deemed concluded, and that is our show for now. i will be back at the top of the hour with more news headlines. thank you so much for joining us. the p tons, thinking offsite 300 he is of the mon,

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