tillman to you, when you have you have a one dodge, so do you need this? of course you can respond and unexpected side supplies this week on the 77 percent street debate. i believe the main uh the weekend span or as i would say um independent. does that bother you? yeah. well mine was based on this. it may even be a hot spot in the old. we sometimes think of them as babies. yeah, alpha as possible. when you come on the babies we shouldn't allow rest in us to impose the quadrant understanding of what a family is. one african wasn't was not ready. ok, cool for, well i do, but i, i can't read it enjoy. and when you find me x or the even holding have let me re a feeling so single today on this

hello and welcome back to the 77 percent. streak debate this week, we are the library as capital of monrovia. now you might be familiar with the expression, strong african woman in this country. they suddenly having had a female president, elizabeth johnson, but the strength in women is sometimes discouraged when it comes to romantic relationships. particularly in the applicant context, sense of everyone to find out why. who better to answer this question for me that some late periods and we're going to start with the couple on the panel. we have a couple the so loved up austin insurance. hello. thanks for joining us. so let's start with the basic question of your day to day when you wake up in the morning giving me a little clue about who does what in the morning. what's your morning routine like sons, how you are really citing? let me start as well. thank you. um in the morning i wake up around 55 like 530 a get my kids ready for school wide. he's dead getting ready for work. okay,

so what do you say that's your domestic responsibilities. uh, sort of equally splits between the 2 of you. yeah. it is. yeah. but i mean, this is not something easy, right? a lot of couples have difficulties doing this even. you know, more than weld austin. how did you manage to strike this balance? i think it comes more with the level of education i grew up before getting into the relationship. so how do we couple of books before getting married? how to go to counseling for like 4 months. so we kind of prepare me. so basically i'm able to wake up early morning and get hot water for the kids. i'm able to be beeping the little girl while she has to be ferrying cobra or something. so yeah, i think is good and i enjoy doing you abraham, where are you? i know that to have a biblical name and also an old fashion stands on the concept of equality and relationships. tell me

a little bit about that. for me. i come with the african culture background and they are ruth described to men, both men and women. so if you know your responsibility and you know you're right and you know your limit, we can have discussion and this can go on. all right, so that's, i'm not assuming anything. tell me what these responsibilities are based on your rules. and by the way, we're keeping it strictly headphone number 2 for the purposes of this conversation . yeah. so uh, for instance, um, i believe that most of the 1st choices, you know, are offered in context, uh uh, the responsibility of the women. but they make them be of help. so let me tell you, i'm laughing because the women behind me really sighing, you substance something then? yeah, what i would like you to complete it please. so you started by telling me women's responsibilities in their relationship. i had to number to one. do all the health choice? no, i said, most of the res,

restore most of your 1st choice is the woman's responsibilities. so what does the mind do then? you know, i will, i be when setting is the head of the home. and he actually is the one who provide security for the, for the home, for the family, he's responsible to, to, to provide for the home. okay. well, nick, you who, who, who, who tell me what's going through your mind because you were touching your fingers as he was speaking. i mean, i was the site that because we've got that well with this cause you have like a equality relationship. my thought is so slow and that was like no, so now actually jerry, i'm defending what i stand for. that's why i'm even jeremy. oh. but the just my breast i christian nation for us. it. so having a man and the woman in the home that can be no you quite, it is so okay, just for clarity or nikia here. definitely believes in the biblical rules assigned in christianity. and so you think that the mind is definitely the head and the woman should submit. all right. tell me what you're thinking. the always

a female is a feminist, and an activist knowing that liberia was set on the basis of peach. iraqi just explains why they are a no saying these different things. but when you look at who said those rules, who's who give the responsibilities of a woman take in charge of the firm and doing the choices. you would know that the men said those rules and wish we'd be leave for very bias, right? because women's potentially is way be your own, just taken care of home. so i think there is a very big inequality based on the foundation of picture actually that was set up in our society that set our system to be very biased. all right, i want to hear from some people at the back, right. let me get some reactions. come close to, to me please. i don't want to. and the american young get caught me. so hust with just cool. take yellow. somebody moved that. mary swift dated this just to stick to

the house. how long do you live? it's a bunch of people society, it's like you're going to be what it would mean. yeah. okay. that's a good question that she's asked uh, let's have somebody else here. i'm gonna try to listen to this nice then against the east or wilmont haven't equal or read remain home. and i that is right. i'm here the monrovia to defend our culture and woman was based on mississippi, and nobody's still happy like that. the reason why we had a few minutes, we're having women that i to visit it because of the other. what education? so would you rather be just stayed at home once educated like that's the role of the month. they have to be what they have to to give the house of the woman that the house of them. it is that that's, that's the best decent. that's not quite sure why, especially especially one as themselves was as you about the other book culture. okay, so quick question. i'm a woman here who's doing this job of asking questions, and moderating. i would say i'm independent. does that bother you? a? yeah, it, well ma'am, you know, african culture must not be defended if you like,

you'd have been in the afternoon. of course. i know you are on the day of something and many in the, in the village. what if i told you that in my culture, women actually the heads of the home by so culture in our gods and that was said yeah, in the back onto the women us know something is it uh, let's hear that from the people who was not being oh, yes, i believe the men of the week yes, being on f men of the weakest beings on us. okay. so they use those rules totally made. we mean, because we make and once he talks, we make up your professional. first thing, it can be a host wife, it can be a family person and then can do that. so the limit that you mentioned was send to you. so you are supposed to be on particular position for you to and so are you a marriage or relationship is not that. yeah. okay. uh uh, just just

a 2nd. let me just bring this uh group to back to order. yeah. so that we can get to rooted back in our conversation. so there are a few issues that have been raised here, which i want to just check with. the 1st one is that african culture dictates that the mind is the head of the home. but this is not true across most african culture . in fact, most of them a matriarchal. so what happens to your arguments then abraham? so it might actually be argued that it is an african to be patriarchal. what we see it is been taken out of context because um, and no disrespect or feminism, a lot of people no, no disrespect. but that is a responsibility assigned to somebody. and that does not take away maybe your help or maybe a butler to my fiancee. but our african culture, it says that as far as route to everyone, so that role should be respected. and we shouldn't allow west in us to impose yeah,

caught your understanding of what a family is, one of african. okay. so let me come back to the couple of the even holding hands. let me tell you we are feeling so single today on this this. so when you hear some of these a sessions, i can imagine that there must also be people in your family who also have quotes similar views committed this, this, the letters you work up and you know, wash the dishes, you're the man. you work up. just get ready for work and move on, you know, and then you start to follow that. i don't get a while, you do that. so we're going to have the money. and what is the shop people has that in the mood you as a may you benefit a loss if there is equality in the home? so i thing was you have that. so our we're grabbing was the shift is normal. it keeps, it keeps us happy. you know, sometimes this is a lot funny to your mother goes to visit you and dentist,

easy. washington dirty clothes. she's like, why is my phone rousing daddy clothes. okay. yeah. so shuttle, let me hear from you. did you get grief from the in laws you're making the sun wash? this is how day let, let's say this is quote to have or healthy husband in the home is very, very good. it helps you relax my wasn't was not ready. okay. cool. bought it, bought it, bought i, i can't read it in july and when you find me it, i get rid of it so it when you fry me plenty. he's not ready. okay, cool. right. all right. let me just a minute. even the bible, i'm a priest that she is, even the bible says you should submit one to another. so it's not about the women submitting to you the man, but you guys got to submit to each other. i have to come to a nikiya bucks. so that's um, that's the last of so i may do one to another is either play as well, we'll talk about and then. sorry, let me just go back a bit,

which on to it was plugged into emission and bought my house more help in. so that's as far as somebody of i have this fax to do and i'll call him on all of that for that move. it's actually a my, his let me go fill in when it comes with a list of met in the morning or in the home that she'll be hit. and that is the reason why. and that's not if we have precedence, right. i will, there are work in place if we have bosses right. so in the home that should be a hit. okay, so because you mentioned president, i mean, if this is your position, right. how did you feel when liberia elected the female president did you feel it was also focused that shows that women will also lead way? what does it mean that have the president involved in is she had walked? it doesn't mean that'd be such as the president of the republic of liberia, such as going to be the yep of. oh, okay. uh no, they something that was mentioned regarding the choice of woods, you know, and i think and it, you explained it really well. the use of the wood help shuttle has said its again,

you know, my husband helps around the house. are we using the correct language? because of uh what you said. it implies that the job is yours and somebody is coming to us. yeah, i think we're not using the right words because it's not help right out manage projects. and one thing i know of a partnership is that you have 2 different people with different ideas and different backgrounds coming together to agreed on. something that the want to do is share similar values, right? and that's the same with partnerships. so there's no one coming through so the other because if you the other is down so not like i will see it. i go back again to see that some side see what is foundation. allison site that was being by years . and this is why you see education like you talk about west teen people coming. change is inevitable because of education, right. the things we knew 10 years ago have changed the way when we did things we no longer do with right. we've come to realize to put censure of women,

especially looking at us having to press it in a few new pricing and right and looking at what she was able to achieve in her term and how she approved the issue of in quality. and we may split tension, not just in like be real, but regionally, and as well globally. so tell you that we may have more, we may have more potential and not just call us um, so i see it having been cancelled. okay. uh, let me hear from my duty for a 2nd because we haven't spoken to her. you just want to investigate this idea of the head of a home because because no one has talked about partnerships in the contemporary. well that's we live in today. do we still need that classical head of a home where i have no interesting relationship anymore? it is because of uh, what i went through uh when i was a relationship. so i had to quit 2019 because uh i had an a deal safe pregnant. but while it protective,

and he was very abusive. so i went to it. i held my god like king. i have to look up in the morning and what? so what sucks for bucks are in what it will be. i mean, we are 333333320 i need to understand is what do you mean? put socks with what? what, what helped him dressed up in the morning like a child was what when extra martin, you know, helping to my relationship. okay. and so i have a question for you as he was treating him as a king, as he was saying, which by the way, absolutely, was he treating you as a queen? well, he was abused if he was really abusive. so he has actually the mid mutual lost interest in having relationship. and when i see people are like, you know, couples and you know, i feel like they're not being true to each other. yeah. okay. so obviously not all

relationships which have that dynamic will end up in abuse. yeah, let's just be clear about that. however, it can because it is a power dynamic that has not been addressed. so how do you bring how to navigate this? so for me, people always put or have a negative connotation. when it comes to head, are we not saying that there will much would be the one to address you is not, is that it will most responsibility to address you. if that is happening, that's abuse. knowing your rules is different from being abused. ok, but because you keep coming back to rules and responsibilities, right? and a question was asked, who gets to decide what the rules and responsibilities are? it's the head of the home. in this case, according to your argument, the man, how do you know when you're taking it too far? um, so we live in a society and we have our african quarter. so that's what i said,

you need to know. you're right. that's the 1st thing i said is, you know, you're right. you can be, you can be in a relationship and you have values. so if someone is going, there's a value that's a no, no, i'm saying that the ascribe for men and women who am i, who were done very clearly. okay. i mean, that's your position and that's perfectly fine. we've had many things, right? including the traditional is to think that's we mentioned, even be educated, right. these are realities in this country. so what are the consequences of such extreme viewpoints, right? we've seen in your case unfortunately, abuse. what are some of the consequences in your society? no. yeah, of course i was just going to point out of the issue of, of abuse. the issue of a violent communication is then going to generate and get another generation

of young people that will be very falling in their due for an actions. all right. have to guess a fabulous one, right? yeah, it's cool, but my point is if you have seen that, what is should be equal? why? i submit to pay a diary. why? samantha, i wouldn't mind what evidence about a minute where you go to the wedding, is it comforted that way? right. so why can't you put them in databases you want to be? we'll see what you want it to be in a diary that we know you'll see something here. so if you put a man's out of it, then we know what the, what you quantity. well, what's the, i'm a spare. your direct is not c. uh, obviously, but us on the control, let me let me hear from sunset because because if bright price has been paid, then technically you'll under his control. do you agree with this or not? well, if he has to pay money for his wife, that doesn't mean that the web should be on the why you are on top it both of you should be equal. because to both of you, i want to make you also better or better,

please. not all possible ground. ok, lisa, i want to hear from you because the question of right price. uh, is it time to perhaps get rid of some of these traditions, if be a guessing in the way of quote unquote progress. i think it's time to there's no other time than now because the issue you've used to use award control. we in the fact that women should be called a court control, is it meant losing the masculinity with the powers scituate de know, who is the rest of your brother's shoulder and man which i do. i am the main as well. the moment is, is that he lost his masculinity because he has no power for the fight that you're talking about. i have the control over this. i want to do this. i want to do that. i should do that. you love it. because the point you're talking to come through, if i die one might have a level of understanding. she knows what you need to do. she knows what she wants

to do. so i have your standing in a way that fits on your mic, the announcement. i'm the man here because you feel she of picking up the steps to be what she wants to be. what does he have for it? if you rather to comply with your many, this place there were, i try to bring them down to the i agree because they will not understand where to put the i 0 to complex. we do have to wrap up at some point and not really. and i do want to opinion on this when it comes to the professional space, we're talking about an inferiority complex here, lisa, alluding to men, perhaps feeling small, which is why they need to a set themselves overly. but what does it do to remain in a professional space when domestically at home? your husband or your father keep telling you this is your place. this is your place . can you fully participate in society at every jews as your output? it limits, you know, and it makes you to have no confidence in yourself. and i can tell you when i was going to all of those abuses, my output wasn't good at all. when i go to work,

i transfer aggression. i was the happy i wasn't myself right now. i few. i feel good. yeah. yeah. yeah i'm, i'm really glad that you your feeling much better now and really thank you for sharing. so as we conclude the traditionalist has left us, but oh he's yeah, he's, yeah. oh, we had requested at the beginning of this debate, which was why us wrong we meant for you had so in relationships and we've had quite a number of view points here. the question now to conclude is, is there a reason to change that dynamic? should we go back to our old ways? should we continue as we are? is there a needs to even standardize and why let me hear from, oh, i am so afraid to bring the microphone to you. but let's hear you. let's say your point is a need that will go back to our tradition. and the reason why we're having distributed is because we have, have some, a non spouse stuff. we have it down to the western culture. and that is that,

that is what all women are risk that hit that the reason that voice is always will happen when we wait. no technicians who are part of the political boss and that was happy, we must have missed it. but it was to the court to not have to do everything. and that is why we're having a debate. and as i have to submit this and that it's all about why you want edit, because now we make best buy and i know what. okay, so let me just, are you working for example, and you must have female bosses. how do you respond to that? oh, of having a bus mean a female is going to come to get it because i really don't see her being submissive . sometimes she just, she just was point, know how to man, and that is the high supposed to be so well not being a bus that can be from abusive to me. oh, okay. i, i honestly cannot believe that i am hearing these words in 2023 but but, but i, but i mean you'll, you'll, you'll view points, let me get one last one. he has been abused with eagle and because of the eagle,

the having games that you were born with, i don't know if it's a true. that's why they don't fit 10 know to assess 17th. does that mean when the latest mickey higher income than to mine, he feels the need to all without even then it'd be anything. he feels like no i'm, i'm the one was supposed to, to make higher income than horror. so push us forward because when we me, i am power with me. i educate telling me i learned this aside to become better because come on with carrier children in our rooms for 9 months, which is huge. so i mean, we're on dustin relationship because we've gone with them for 9 months when you come outside of a boat with them, it even be a hoss wanting to oh, we sometimes think of them as babies. yeah, alpha as boss is but when you come on, the baby's meant to support me, then we can be able to be a home and a society better than all right. let me hear from this gentleman who has been trying to speak with me the entire time. let's say your view point. what about

a big book my account? what am i? is that a love homer? i respect and took care of the home for my be now at a kid there. so you know, set up bringing money is sort of more respect a man and a more that will have locked up a lot again and will be gotta feed on the air and it just like a man. what you're seeing chantelle here being super loving and she has a job and she's a decatur, i'm not say, well not gonna work. that's not my point. my point is that she must still have the respect. see what she's sick and what to do as a woman in a home. all right, so let's draw attention back. you know, want to gets closing remarks. normally at this point of the debates, i would be asking people for solutions. but after hearing all the diverse opinions, i'm not sure that there is such a thing as solutions. and so let's find out what your closing remarks upon was. we'll finish with you guys. let's start here. just bought a one more point. you beauty in the world. it doesn't give a right that she and i met the i built equally. right. so for me, i believe we just need to go back to what christian not says what bill. i'll push

the foundation and many of us that just by being of few minutes or whatever, given different views. we are christian as west who knows. we want us to accept everything to bring to us and wish you disregard ours and i'm against it. i em, let's sit down, men to understand our women's, you're not as this are, women should not be leaders. we just sit and have a conversation. i mean, is that agreed? are we mr. b, e 45050. we just sit and have a conversation in the conversation. we took a forward. all right, so more dialogue, i like that from the side. let's do some closing remark. so we did a bridge systems that will limit, we mean we need to work on the system that will put me behind. we cannot have our tradition, our quotes are suppressing, we mean keeping that as a buyer, as a buy rocky, that women cannot move beyond this because these are the mothers, this in it. so i think that these are framework conversation. we help us. okay. and finally, we started with

a couple i'd like to end with them. we've had so many view points here. do you think that the kind of relationship that the 2 of you have with some people might see us aspirational is on the threats? we work up in the morning as a man and getting ready for work. when you stand before that mirror, just see a human being. when you see your wife see a human being sheed her that way, man. you are going to be happy. if you bring the woman dot equal point, you're going to be happy. the one thing most of it down to zeros. we have smalley on facebook. so the thing that we have a good relationship on feasible b, on facebook, we are really good and we've been good for 5 years. no complaint, not to anybody, because we're just equal and we have this agreement on odds and wish when we've been here. it depends the idea that we're pushing we have up, which is a better idea. we go about that. thank you. that is a beautiful place to wrap this debates. we have had some very controversial remarks

today, but also what a nice way to wrap it up. think 1st and foremost of your partner as human. thank you guys for watching the, [000:00:00;00] the, the,

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