of course, we say they're about never giving up every weekend on d. w. the presidential elections in russia of the usual full gun conclusion with nothing left to charles. not even the desk in jail as the leading opposition figure elect, saying the valet whose name postern couldn't bring himself to speak. my guess is the russian commentary to andre kalashnikov, who had split kindly. he rush, are you ready? just center in moscow. wasn't of only such a serious threat to put into the regime to be has to be killed even to be in prison . that when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field about the same time, quite mighty, and way to compress it for, for the parts of the population. because of that, it was important to, let's see,

eliminate him from the political field. so what's it like to live with the government that kills its political opponents, unseen from moscow? why the southern states of warnings by nato officials, about a russian attack over the next few years. what does a know we done and the color slick of welcome to complex. i don't think so that's it's much, it's time for presidential elections in russia of letting me put in once a 5th time. that'd be my post and always gets what he wants is this is close to absolute power as it gets in russia. yes. so this is one more step to choose absolute power. but so when we're asking our cells where it was 20 points, for she seems as a decrease of michigan mostly because the development of his interview was somewhere in the year 2020. when he told the referendum about

some of the med, most of the constitution, both of may think about 0 and copious prison essential terms. and now she is over to the president. and the after is that all the doors were open for any steps. functions sites like to this war of february 22, 22. unfortunately with no other means the same year 2020 it doesn't have much to do with democracy. it does it. these elections, even mr. perkins spokesman, dimitri pest golf told the new york times last year, presidential election isn't really a democracy. it's a costly bureaucracy. so why bother with this show? because this is one more attempt that demonstrates to the majority of the rough can populations that they, they are still the majority, which is obedience, indifference and ready to continue to accept the pretense initiatives.

and just as important as that's minority minority is a must understand that they are still minorities as they can to influence that i think is this country because we have a majority which is in flash which supports coaching. so nothing to do with this political system. we can't change and i think because of that, so this election starts to no significant. it's the same time just as one more really rounds aflac. why not to, to repeat this kind of really into refresher legitimacy or for the all the correct oh, credible candidates of being eliminated way before the polling stations opened bar? it's not just in the anti war candidate. he was disqualified by the states because some traction for a while. was he a, a threat? was he didn't that's right. the edition was squares attracted to the public who was

liberal views and you know, in the rush, or is there a 1000000 of people who are sharing to liberal pro the critic pro western and to pretend the vision of the world. and because of the my dish and it was kind of a fault for this people wednesday. so and it's pushing it and it was understandable . that's a criminal decide. it's not till ocean to participate because she puts it undermines the feeling of absolutes comes to the dish and around put him in a case of getting i don't know, 56, even 10 percent of it. man, it would. it could means that the paternity is not the only one who is so who deserves. so the supports and there are people with the enter your agenda, not to mention that and zip case. and that doesn't include demonstrates enter your agenda via television and the code. so shake because of use. so for the majority which is still not connected to the tv set. so, so with no,

they decided not to not to risk you from that slide risk. i'm alexa, nevada, me that in a prison camp in the arctic circle, once he ever really i'm electro threat to prove to or was it that he and others like him. we're never going to be allowed to get anywhere near that status. the one that didn't have an opportunity to participate in the legal political process. but so when she did participate in the year 2013 during moscow's mayor's elections, he was extremely efficient. astonishingly efficient for kremlin and death resistance. they decided to not to allow him to participate in any kind of like options. so if it was a real threat to put an end to some moments. so moment to the means that pasta the whole political process reduced, busy. now this is fine between the fall knee and approach him

and is that sense even being can prison that when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field about the same time, quite mighty and square to compress it for, for the parts of the population and because of that, it was important to let's see, eliminate him from the political field. do you by the story that he was about to be swapped for a kayla. so having time in germany, do you by that story of, we don't know the truths maybe will know nowadays, but it looks like blows and bull story. and in that sense, simple, it was not the course of dance uh that she was, let's say, maybe killed maybe by some maybe something else. so we have to wait for some

results. so for his team of research true, maybe is the gym to clear up some good deals? no problem as far money is pretty clear and his colleagues are pretty clear that the state did kill him. you wouldn't seriously argue with that, would you? i would say likely, so the experience of this regime demonstrates that it's as possible. let's remember as a case of st policy or in any other cases and put in the several times, repeat it to your interest curry or that's a my pets realty color oriented. or again, since people do that, but these and because of that, among people with uh, let's say liberal views, there is no doubt that's nobody put the keels. uh no, no, we don't have the controls if evidence of it so,

but the feeling is very strong. comp, russian civil society. we know that they tried and failed to kill him back in 2020 and we know because the millions listen to a government assassin describing his previously unsuccessful attempt to kill him about me. little realizing that he was actually talking to him about the i'm being recorded by him at the time. so nobody's going to believe any government denials of a underscore. uh, you know, which means what do we mean by nobody to because of the majority still prefers to believe freedom, main unofficial version or prefer us not to think about this. the horrible story. yes. a lot of russians. uh they didn't know about the police and things that i didn't know about. the gus, that's not what all means. it in this camp near arctic circle,

but uh the majority prefers not to boulder itself. uh uh, not to pay too much attention to, to this horse in order to keep for themselves mentally normal. um, this'll be more old, but the majority prefers not to know anything about, uh, like, uh, uh, casualties still with his does cetera, et cetera. and because of that, that's more about belief with disbelief amongst people with the normal view. some is democratic fused, gregorian viper, i'm a lawyer at the human rights group. memorial said if they could kill nevada and they, they could kill anybody else if he's right. where does all this and all the killings of the political prisoners. why does this, and i know the real threat is to political prisoners for sure.

no, we don't have a political position in the proper sense of the words right now because of a high level of impressions. kyra's in the in names a substitute new new means of last year or so for his existence. and i, i, i would say that unfortunately, for instance, people like to let him know cut them. it was a, or, yeah, yes. and could be under threats, but not everyone in dissidence community, but uh, the main of the most vocal people from mazda political, a position, because barto was a political position as a broad sub parts. so for the literacy are in prison. so for people who are in prison, so there is a real threat. i think unfortunately, you spoke of the found this funeral about moral resistance among the population, people carrying flowers and candles to his memorials. how much of that moral resistance is left in russia. and it gets trans of sorts

moral because as i said, political position isn't so efficient right now. and this is more about a moral resistance and about political resistance. this people can fight as they do not want to fight for power. they don't have for literacy. they don't have organizations which are totally liquidated, by the regime. even small in jewels about the dose of the most ways as a funeral and around the dentist way to that. this civil society is still here with lots of different societies such which is very different and passive, and full of conform is and that single society, the society of responsible citizens who us to hold for the best for, for the country, for in a permanent order. because of this war, they demonstrated that they are here. it was

a huge step for people club for who were going to to the funeral because of the, the face recognition system is working and sometimes, but listening to coming to the, to the plants. so it was this people after a different kind of events, wolf funerals like the link flowers as the man, as a place, as of man, there we go for political repression, so cetera, et cetera. so if you want to see the so civil society in the rush, we can open, for instance, a website over the, in for with the concrete statistics about persecutions, about criminal prosecutions, administrative persecutions, extension useful persecutions. a lot of examples of these kind of problems for russian citizens, but she resist civil society, which is still ready to resist and ready to at least to

think of all the constitution, think about so as a responsibility, collective responsibility you, you talked about values, legacy. i'd like to know how long you think it will last, isn't it inevitable that as the years go by, that will be less and less opposition? moral or real repression works best and it repressions efficient. yes. for business work bought at the same time. no. this fatigue from room is also sheer. and in a case of mine, they're successful for a civil society and demonstration of what to use. uh, some people are hesitating corpus difficult for me, so they can shares of you sofa. and this actually, if a single society activities, so in that sense or actually isn't hopeless and i think it was just like and so the attempts were when minerals people were ready for changes when gorbachev k,

when government were much referred to, could, the power ends is being a bunch of population is also ready for changes, but so, you know, in current circumstances kind of a single though must came from the very top. and the was out a change in the 1st person, i guess. so the serious changes in russia are impossible. veteran now extraordinary efforts and you've outlined some of them to, to clamp down on even the slightest infractions of this expanding penal code to the author. all right is keep adding to we hear of teachers in schools reporting a 1011 year old pupils to the security police books, a band people arrested on the metro because they were reading something. but the fellow passengers didn't like every case pursued with the utmost vigor and brutality. and i suppose my question is, is the state really that in secure about its hold on paul. and it's people,

you know, it's smarter bells cell development of russian style. all sorts here is my would say is this is not simply in a sort of terrorism. is this more about a name? it's high, but it's a tell it to it. and it's the same utilitarianism because the state is trying to infiltrate into all this for yourselves. a private life of people you too want it wants to control, for instance, seaters repair to ours, uh, book markets, libraries, etc, etc. but nevertheless, this societies mother in, isaac, this is orland, well educated society and people are trying to keep for the private space to see more on more or less normal situation. and it looks us to print it's some, some movies are pretty cool with appear in this such a strange hospitality or in space. so yeah. is there a difference?

the threats like denunciations from your competitor else, but nevertheless, it is still, it is still civil society and i can repeat it as not so hopeless and get the chance survives this period. but the, the space of liberty of freedom may snare range. this is true. but if he wants to do something, you can try and some people are trying to, to write to articles, to be vocal and to, to, to talk at least to talk about the constitution. it's, it's not a dresser, it's not help does it by the fact that so many ordinary citizens appeared, willing to inform on each other on their colleagues and their families and their friends. how destructive is that to the fabric of russian society destroys trust of the yes, it's true,

it's true. the trust is not so the strong side of the society is the trust of each other. but some people simply prefer enough to talk with unknown persons. they prefer to talk to canal, so they are trying not to be so vocal sitting in congress for instance, and to say, prefer not to discuss political issues. this is true, but you know, it's the same time uh, again who, who wants to resist can try to do it. for instance, if there is such a new magazine which was initiated by the noble lord, it's a mr. moore auto for is a title going to be in a corporation with gorbachev foundation. and this is one of the attempts to, to, to, to, to create something to you,

even in the circumstances. there was some problems with this magazine, but it is still in the field. so why not to transfer this whole thing? and uh this it's, it's a, it's contribute. so something like hope for the future. when we talk about hope, let's also talk about the war in ukraine, which has of course, exacerbated the repression level. good cough, leading russian sociologists says there's a high degree of support for the war highest among the educated and the educated in moscow does not surprise you. yes uh, is there a lot of surprising stories, especially in the field of mess, psychology miss, so, so latrine and uh, you know, this is all about people who are afraid of changing their life. so they are trying to avoid problems with themselves, which means i'm the as a full flip,

say double thinking, i'll very pretending the lord doesn't exist. so they can to avoid the mentioning, see, to thinking ability to, that's a trained not to do it publicly. maybe is the same people, but who they want to continue as a career, as for instance, in the university. so something like that, but it's a private space in their quizzes like it was. and so we have time so they can discuss freely the current situation with the core, with the some assessments which are not public. let's see, this is more about privates assessments private life. so this is more about double thinking. you said, recent pay that pretend as make clear russia is fighting a permanent background war with the west. best argument gives his image ration on his way to maintain power. does put in one fact war in your view.

oh yes, she wants me. she's the main initiator, i'm sure, is that, and is this personal, this decreasing? put in was the main source of, of this war was this idea. ology, which justifies for the russian id, was nation alanta in nationalistic and imperialistic ideas. the very archive that deals to the, to the, to tradition, send us spiritual values, etc, etc. and she must in advance of the google for the society. so it's just not coping is more capitalism. and very inventive and traveling this permanent for was the best, the best was also taking us. so we must defense our sales. and even though we're expansion expansions, this is kind of, it is, this is more about defense. and uh, the reason the reports reese, i'm sorry to interrupt you,

reset the intelligence reports in the west of suggested russia intends to double the number of its troops on the border with the baltic states and finland. and people have spoken. officials, government officials in several countries have spoken of the fact that that could possibly be attacked by russia on the nato countries over the next few years. how plausible do think that these things this is because p r o to be so then to to, to, to, to look so mighty, so impressive. uh, uh, and i guess he wants to create i am, she's a political philosophies. this is a part of russian for sure. and she wants to return and strengthen as he says. so this territories it, she doesn't care about voltage stays for the length or, or pulled this as a loop service. in my opinion,

she will not have enough resources for one more flank, one more front uh, she simply wants to continue this permanent toward was the best as a goal for the society, but at the same time, in the practical terms and apply it to her and she doesn't want to to take the, for instance, voltage stays because it will mean the real world was native. it would be much more serious. so that's just sort of a tuition blueprint. doesn't need to look week to russia to put in the notes. so we could but to what was this very majority, it was a society which in looks like a strong man, chloe cruise equal to to tomato. nice. it was more of both a human show for the main enemy, united states of america, nathan in europe, is kind of sits alliance of uh, of nato in the end. so united states, you said last month, that despite all the new, clear se but rattling,

but we've heard from fulton, they don't want the afraid of nuclear war. what makes you so sure of that? jose, and also as you settled, they must understand that. so you're going to use those that technical uh, ukes, uh, could be suicidal for uh for say every gene for the country they want to leave for. they want to enjoy this life and because of that, so yes, so the, so nuclear black mailing, she's quite impressive and quite effective as it is quite effective because it's present in fact to prevents as the west from giving the sophisticated weapons to you. correct? yes. as a problem for actually so that's a very conversations that talk about the nuclear work became such a light. my talk, we can do it. why not? this is a main danger to proceed. so the domestic complex that it is possible. this is the

danger of furniture story and wrote recently that society is like russia, autocracies don't bend, but they can break. do you believe that after all russia has broken, the soviet union broke up. the budding wall came down, communism was denounced as a failed experiment. under what circumstances do you think russia could conceivably come apart? now? you know, when we're talking about this, the future ends the behavior of our lights. they're behaving like that according to the drover up in order to look after us as it is the slots and in that sense, they hopelessly as they have enough resources to continue this work until the physical end of uh, putting them to his team. but uh,

the resources could be depleted and the new generation though, for petitions, they will have to take responsibility for the country, for the european security. and this as an interest of the west coast call and interest mutual interest of the russians. the west said to have a new generation of people who can recreate discounts for you from 0 this summer full come because the resources i'm not to the terminal. so the bills are full. russia, that's like saying the value you talked about does exist somewhere down the line and you'll view it exists in the, in the soul, southern brain. so for protein mccray to russians as they are here and those they will be ready for changes when the time will account. i'm very caustic of thank you very much for being on comforting, so. thank you. thank you for having me here. the,

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