to make more and then at least in mind of the german institution, the georgia bank story may 2nd on d w. the offer is rarely meant to killing 7 for an aid workers in gaza. every in hopes that the humanitarian situation, my ease, and the desperately need his food can begin to reach the hundreds of thousands of risk of famine. for how realistic of those hopes, my guess is yeah. megan's head of them the wage and refugee council for decades of experience in the humanitarian field. he's also a former diplomatically, was personally involved with a low piece told between israel and the palestinians in the 1990. how does he think his savage was connected? in 6 months the war must be over. i hope it's over in, in a week,

really and, and that we sped for the blood boss and rough exelon says the power arising of garza now rang some of the worst assault from any civilian population. in our time a day. why was the power on the stop before so many was killed? yeah. mega and welcome to complex on. thank you very much. after the killing of the 7, the aid workers in gaza by israeli troops. that's the new hope that's the so the aid situation might improve on the ground to some meaningful degree. do you think that hope is justified? yeah, the hope is justified. i i, we desperately need it. we haven't seen much proof of it. perhaps a little bit more trucks coming over the hidden shun them on board the crossing in the south. i haven't seen trucks coming through the northern border crossings yet.

and this then i left of restrictions on in terms of movement inside the south, that is red control was completely no except for rough and the south with the military troops. you mentioned rough. uh, if they uh on the slot, if they advance is really advanced, goes ahead and rough or what would the situation be there then? i mean, they would be terrific beyond belief. i was there myself 51256 weeks ago. it's a, it's a place like nowhere else in the one it's, it's in effect, the largest refugee camp on us. 1.4000000 people crammed to get that in an area which is like once happens, all the municipality of us know where i live. these people have fled

to 34, or 5 times. most of them they have nowhere else to go because like i'm not free into is red from, with their answers this paid nor can they go into the chip. so the trap that it could, they don't know if they could, 3 knows what would meet them. there would be a heap of ruins. it's it's, it's a horrific thing. it would be a black box to go into wrap up. that's why we're fight thing this very idea. it's and it's one to humanity, to have a war in a refuge account. but even without rough or the statistics are pretty horrendous. aren't they? those from the un office for the code, the nation of humanitarian to fast released on april 6, 1100000 people in gaza experiencing catastrophic food and security. there are no quick fixes to that of the, you know,

very quick ones except that this is, there are hundreds, thousands of trucks that could go across the board across things in the north, to the common stricken north tomorrow. i mean they that it but times can easily go in and out from is right. why couldn't 8 trucks go go in and out. this is the, i'm at manmade department from 8 years that it's, it's, it's not the, the, the, the drought of somalia. and that's where this is a payment made by it will and made by a brocade that is rather has some post on the in us and does the sense that they not to the launched the, to the 99 percent not to participate in the horace of the 7th of october, britton's father, the secretary david cameron said last week was we were told was previously

impossible. event by the israelis suddenly became possible. our starting point in the air is crossing will soon reopen water will be turned back on. more aid will flow through care of shuttle. um, um you see right. uh, do you see movement that would tell you that this is now happening, but that's be the change of heart on the as rarely side what i think finally the united states, red, even german, if to some extent is accepting the pressure on, on the, as rarely war machine to be paid according to, to the last a war. but we didn't see and that's in the 1st 5 months at, or we're seeing some of that now. and then comes, it promises that the port stop would open, the border crossings would open. they haven't so far the that has been more trucks

coming. all the car room shut on in the very south. yes. but it's been very hard to get enough trucks going north to that or were fix it you haitian, where hundreds of thousands of people are in effect in, in them. and so what i hope is that those should provide the choose for this. the odds for this, the bombs or this indiscriminate assault on gossip. and they are the united states, germany and to a lesser extent, the u. k. and not the western countries they need need to really accept some really pressure and, and also stop providing arms to something which is on thought that they indiscriminate. we prove that from the 1st week in the response from is read off to different griffith attacks. on the 7th of october, you seem to be citing the western countries which are on the one that i'm supplying

. um, some of them have that i'm calling for then to the, the 530 or at least a humanitarian pause. hypocritical is, is that you view? uh, yeah, yeah. they uh, it, it, they all seen that super critical by the world but, but that's more than anything that the occupation and, and, and, and, and, and the plummeting of apartment houses and the turning off for electricity and water is that really bad in ukraine as we will only agree, but it's somehow overall, but what is what it's doing the same. that's what the one sees as industrial, the scale it per se. what i would say is that they have been on this problem thing lee, and put that in the pro, the save yourself a is from they they must have seen because we provided the evidence for that that

the assault was indiscriminate from october. the 20th the last yeah they, they know that we went never allowed access to to gossip as we stood as human at terry. and i want them my son and left us to the us administration and to the you in mid october. that if they allowed is from which is a lick your rent yet to controlling the port, the crossings on politically, with the military stop. it would never work in terms of german at their and access . so they knew all of this and the did very electric. but they continued to pride offs or all of us, what was their response when you gave them this morning, will to some extent we didn't even get an onset. but when we got the answers, they said, when we take it for granted, that this reality is, is following the,

the rules of who a war human is having a low up on conflict. we are asking them to provide humanitarian access. we will tell them again to provide humanitarian access. we are telling them to, to achieve the civilian population. and then we told up, but you must see your stuff that i'm not listening and upset sometimes to me it's like putting your fingerprints on over time. see if you provide 2000 pound bumps to place one apartment house 1000000000 pulling up families is coming off to the other. how would you not have complicity in what's happening? how do you explain this diplomatic impotence, as you call it from the west of nations? yeah, we didn't, yeah, i still have problems and understanding it because i think that was it strategic

mistake of enormous proportions in the beginning uh that they didn't understand and learn from 911 in the united states where the phone went, went from having border sympathy with the united states, everybody and then licked the ballot beeper so that that was what the boarding and black sites and, and, and, and the, the, the us trust it's more of how i ground and it became some kind of mud wrestling match with the side or risk to get organizations the same thing, they must have all seen when they went to as well and say what we all felt that the wants to grow some, a mazda attack on the, on the is radius of bindham population. and, and i, i have come then those to say no, this was an operation in guest occupation. this was legitimate that it costs or

what, or that is renaissance. it was not, it was killing a women children construct go, go was, i'm a st capabilities. it was horrific and condemning about it but, but then to, to go the insight, what behind whatever you do that was, but basically the message then that then the sort came and then it's very odd to say, oh oh, stop. what we'd like to start. as the was going on, many countries have continued to repeat to the mantra that israel has every right to defend itself because it suffered a run this casualties on october. the 7th. when you look at the statistics of this complex, particularly those relating to palestinian children nearly $26000.00 killed or injured sofa according to save the children. is that in your view defense?

can it be described as defenders? no, no. it's poppy on legitimate subject. pence and, and of course he's right as a right. so it depends. that's what on all those west and lead to providing it on site. it's legitimate subject that and what the us even said from, from a relative really well on was for, they've been targeted operations against the how much, alright. this what they decided to do was, and they made a mess visa, then that then you all government the most extreme in the history of it's right of by the way, with ministers who have said things that, that are from them. but really, they said, we will make basically gusta on the level, but we will change casa completely. we will not let in fruit. we will not let in

electricity, we will not let in, in, in water. that's what they sent early on. many, many minutes or so. oh, could it become a surprise when they saw what happened? you've seen plenty of conflict over the years, but you wrote in february to stand in the ruins of gaza is to be overwhelmed by the object failure of the international community. for, for decades. my work has taken me to many was out, but i've never be confronted by anything like this. what. what was the vase that confronted you and left such an abiding impression on you? yeah, i'm glad your your, your, your putting that question because there are some very unique features around garza and then there are some that don't know, boucher need. i've also been a relate to the shot,

shoot on board that and met the 10s of thousands of people up fled the object risk of death who ensued. don, mass of sexual it violence, massive amounts, a masochist and no 8 to speak of. and i would be beyond belief and minimal people live that kind of a reality in the should done now. belen augusta. so what's unique about casa is number one. there is no escape. there is no chunk o 4 o opponent or let been for the palestinians trapped inside it, densely populated area. and that's the other one. i mean, this has been split up related without escape. sadly, it's a more inc, ends on boardman in this smart place. then in, in the place and, and,

and recent memory. and then then lack of adequate access for you, minute, terrance, to assist them. not because of lack of resources. because the, the, the border crossings are controlled with a belligerent that is not allowing it to go in. and then finally, what's that unique is that a general is don't us, that the bus in ukraine and then shoot on and, and, and then so many other places the western countries are, are actually playing a very negative role here because they have that provide the tools or the attack, so we are at, out with the, with the governments that you, we are usually aligned with. but even without that being aligned with is riley policy. even without that,

you say they could have done much more when it comes to delivering aid to gods, or you said, i would say to the countries like the you can us, why haven't they organized their own con, voice into gaza. they come on the international law, how companies rel, is allowed to control. oh, going in, even at the egyptian gods border. international law says you have to enable enforced release to people who are stopping. if there was a belligerent who was denying it, they could of some pizza and up at the border with the aid and all that good lied spears writers to, to let them in. well, going across the different border with that when in, in, in, in cooperation with, with the, with egypt and set, hey eh, is read, are you going to bump this us? you take german con void that is going with fruit and other humanitarian

relief that we friends of his friends have monitored ourselves. of course they wouldn't have done that. so a give you another example of them in, in syria. there is an area controlled by by a, um, deposition groups. some of them all the names of a character. perhaps that would be i'm us. it maybe. yeah. it is slum it. uh groups. uh, one of them which the legions too. i tied up some yes. back to that area, the convoys go over from turkey and there is a un security resolution enabling that and it's monitored by you and monitors. and it, the, the, the, the, the, i'd strauss it very well. and it's not like they are asking us thought big the,

the syrian government and the musket spoke for permission. there was a lot of presidents that could have done this according to international role. and they did. and when you asked them about this, what was the response that the know we have to cooperate with this rug and the israel is interesting to control every single the low that goes across the board even from, from egypt. so so, well i'm so type really we wait where we're inputs and they admitted that, but i am going to, i mean that's i bought by it by also by, by that beats, i mean, i mean, not a single. the truck goes from egypt into directly into gaza without its having been monitored by us. really pulses in the, in the, on the is really side of the board that it's the re, we have the you should go and see if set lying to come in the line to come

in the queue to be monitored and, and fled to go back and into the no man's land to be reloaded in local trucks, to go to, to, to the starving children of the of golf site. it says, it said it has been a different system from day one. you, i'm going to go on. where do you see? oh, this is another 6 months, more violence most suffering. i. i really think them it will. it, we, we, we will not have this is short or right, but it's 6 months. the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week. really. and, and that we all sped for the blood, the boss in rough, but then we may have less attention and the ruling casa,

that needs on how to become live up, or what the people who may still be trucked bad. most people with, well, i think want to leave that. that's what they told me when i was there this the fight this, the find the own of these walls has made us believe this is no future for our children. we. we tried to go to new york, we will try to go west, but so i think that would be an extra this. i think that will be to let resources for the rebuilding my organization that we serve refuge account. so has been charged by by leading b plus double gonna station responsible for that. hosting. you're like, there are $400000.00 plus homes. destroyed. what damage on, but oh sion more than that it's, it's, it's beyond belief and that needs to be rebuilt. and 6 months from now,

one people will still be living at best intense. do you think many of the palestinians will get pushed into the sign? i that'd be robust. egypt has actually been huddling over the price for accepting them. do you believe those rules or what i have, what i understand is that the extremist in is really politics and it's rarely cabinets. you want to estimate clicked lens, people out of goss on in to see night from where they would not necessarily have the right to return to a rebuild. gosh, saw that, that may now even be, be colonized by this plus or celebrate thing in this run. the that what is happening and there, and hopefully uh, and it steaming up of the land from the, from the policy and it, so all of this we have to fight where it's, none of this is

a given owner of this can be reversed and i hope that is, well, that needs to have recognition, needs to be living in security, it needs to not be attacked by extremists as that. where on the 7th of october, i hope that is what would come to the census. i hope that the united states u. k. germany and this will on this time that it is out to productive for us, right? what has been done in the last few months? if they, if we want desperate to live in security and peace and in recognition being recognized by the neighbors. that has to be a completely different that paula to policy from is from you a pro se involved with the piece talks that lead to the oslo accords. between israel and the palestinians, and in 1993, a quotes which ultimately failed to bring

a lasting peace settlement. but you have said, but the leaders who are now in key positions don't have the same stature onto of the same color, but they were in 1993. the populace on both sides. what can you expect from those populace as you call the yeah, i, i'd say it's a, it's a complete lack of a believe the ship. of course, an extreme is to happen that positions and is run and uh, and then on the policy and the side they all split and from mos shorted this route . on the 7th of october and 10th hundreds of billions of the policy and administration is very weak and old. and so what i, what i hope is that the is, is randy or lifting establishment will right. good. nice. that there

ways had been counter productive for the future of his ride. i hope that on the senate side, there is a recognition that we need to be unite thing and we need to have a new we need to cooperate as palestinians for a future that that would be new, need the ships on both sides and mo, most importantly we need the united states, we need the european union, and we need the gulf congress and n a and egypt and jordan, the 2 most important neighboring countries to cooperate in, in clustering for a solution. because i think a loan is ready to spell a serious. would it be in take the burden and unwilling to find a common church? are you getting any sleep these days? is there any kind of realistic hope that your managing to cling to?

i wonder what the effect is on you of all the suffering that you've seen close up when i i uh, i've seen that this has been one of the west periods of my hope to. yes, i said you were mandatory and what good because the needs of growing so exponentially the resources available for us solid therapy as level dolph for gone down an international politics. oh, it's nice relations on not constructive, nor expected, nor efficient. and by the way, not keeping up hope. yeah, big like we have to leave with that. thank you so much for being on public. so appreciate your time. thank you. the

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