to now lot dissipates from all over the world from ladies who share their solutions and to shake tomorrow. join us and register now for the d. w global media for in 2024. the offer is where i live, mr. kenning, 7 for an aid workers in gaza, that'd be in hopes that the humanitarian situation, my ease, and the desperately need of food to begin to reach the hundreds of thousands of risk of funding for how realistic of those hopes, my guess is yeah, mega and head of them the wage and refugee council, for decades of experience and the humanitarian field. he's also informed that diplomatically was personally involved with the last piece told between israel and the palestinians in the 1990. how does he think this savage was connected? and 6 months the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week,

really. and, and that we sped for the blood boss in rough dig around, says the power arising of garza now. right. so on the was the sole phone and the civilian population in our time a day. why was the power on the stopping before so many was young aguilar and welcome to come pick. so thank you very much. after the killing of the 7, the aid workers in gaza by israeli troops, that's the new hope that's the. so the 8 situation might improve on the ground to some meaningful degree. do you think that hope is justified? yeah, the hope is justified. i, i, we desperately need it. we haven't seen much proof of it, perhaps a little bit more trucks coming over the, him showing them on board the crossing in the south. i haven't seen trucks coming

through the northern border crossings yet. and this then i left of restrictions on in terms of movement inside the south. that is red controls completely. now, except for rough, i in the south with the military troops. you mentioned rough. uh if they uh, on the slot. if the advance is really advanced, goes ahead and rough or what would the situation be there then? i mean, they would be terrific beyond belief. i was there myself 5. 056 weeks ago. it's a, it's a place like nowhere else. and the one it's, it's in effect, the largest refuge account on us. 1.4000000 people crammed to get that in an area which is like once happens,

all the municipality of last row, where i live. these people have fled to 34, or 5 times. most of them, they have nowhere else to go because they are not free, and 2 is rent from where their ancestors paid. nor can they go into the chip. so the trap that a coup, i don't know. i'd say good 3 knows what would meet them. there would be a heap of ruins. it's it's, it's a horrific thing. it would be a black box to go into wrap up. that's why we're fight thing this very idea. it's and it's want to humanity to have. it will enter refuge account, but even without rough or the statistics are pretty horrendous. aren't they? those from the un office for the code, the nation of humanitarian to fast released on april 6, 1100000 people in gaza experiencing catastrophic food insecurity. there are no

quick fixes to that of the know very quick ones the, except that this is there are hundreds, thousands of trucks that could go across the board, across things in the north, to the comments brick in north tomorrow. every day that you have the times can easily go in and out from is right. why couldn't 8 trucks go go in and out? this is the, i'm at manmade fireman from h is that it's, it's, it's not the, the, the, the drought of somalia. and that's where this is a payment made by it was and made by a brocade. that is right. it has some post on the in us and does the sense that they not to the launched the, to the 99 percent not to participate in the horace of the 7th of october.

britton's father, the secretary david cameron said last week was we were told was previously impossible. event by the israelis suddenly became possible. i started port and the arrows crossing will soon reopen water will be turned back on. more aid will flow through care of shuttle. um, um you see right, uh, do you see movement that would tell you that this is now happening, but that's be the change of heart on the is really side what i think finally the united states read even germany to some extent is accepting the pressure on on the as really war machine to be paid according to to the last a war that we didn't see. and that's in the 1st 5 months at or what seems some of that now. and then comes to promises that the port stop would open, the border crossings would open. they have been so far. it has been more trucks

coming over care rim shut on in the very south. yes. but it's been very hard to get enough trucks going north to that or were fix it you haitian, where hundreds of thousands of people are in effect in, in them. and so what i hope is that those should provide the choose for this. the odds for this, the bones. oh, this in discriminant. assault on gossip. and they are the united states, germany and to a lesser extent, the u. k. and not the western countries they need need to really accept some really pressure and, and also stop providing arms to something which is on top of the indiscriminate. we prove that from the 1st week in the response from is read off to different griffith

attacks on the 7th of october, you seem to be citing the western countries which are on the one that i'm supplying comes out on the other hand, calling for then to the, the fighter you, or at least a humanitarian pause. hypocritical is, is that to view? uh, yeah, yeah. they uh, it, it, they all seen a super critical by the world but, but that's more than anything that the occupation and, and, and, and, and, and the plummeting of apartment houses and the turning or for electricity and water is that really bad in ukraine as we will only agree, but it's somehow overall, but what is while it's doing the same, that's what the one sees as industrial scale it popular. see, what i would say is that they have been for this problem thing lee, and put that in the pro the save yourself a is well they,

they must have seen because we provided the evidence for that that the assault was indiscriminate from october. the 20th the last yeah they, they know that we went never allowed access to to gossip as we stood at you a minute. terry. and i want them, my son, and let this to the us administration and to be you in mid october. that if they allowed is from which is a lick your rent yet to controlling the border crossings on politically with the military stop. it would never work in terms of your military access, so they knew all of this and they did very electric, but they continued to pride offs or all of this, what was their response when you gave them this morning, will to some extent we didn't even get an offset, but when we got the answers,

they said, when we take it for granted that this reality is, is following the, the rules of who a war human is having a low of on conflict. we are asking them to provide humanitarian access. we will tell them again to provide humanitarian access. we are telling them to, to achieve the civilian population. and then we told up, but you must see your stuff that i'm not listening and upset sometimes to me it's like putting your fingerprints or over a crime scene. if you provide 2000 pound bumps to place where one apartment house 1000000000 for the families is coming off to the other, how would you not have complicity in what's happening? how do you explain this? get to the magic of impotence as you call it, from the west of nations. yeah, we didn't. yeah, i still have problems and understanding it because i think that was strategic

mistake of enormous proportions in the beginning uh that they didn't understand and learn from 911 in the united states where the phone went from having more sympathy with the united states. everybody and then licked the ballot beeper so that that was what the boarding and black sites and, and, and, and the, the, the us trust it's more of how i ground and it became some kind of mud wrestling match with these horrific organizations. the same thing they must have had foreseen when they went to as well. and so what we found that the, what's the gross them, a mazda attack on the, on the, is radius of bindham population and, and i, i have come then those to say no,

this was an operation. and guess up to patient. this was legitimate that it costs or what or that is renaissance. it was not, it was killing a women, children concert. go go west. i'm a st capabilities. it was horrific and condemning about it. but, but then to, to go the insight. what behind whatever you do that was, but basically the message then that then the sort came and then it's very odd to say, oh oh, stop. what we'd like to start as the was going on, many countries have continued to repeat to the mantra that israel has every right to defend itself because it suffered a run this casualties on october. the 7th. when you look at the statistics of this complex, particularly those relating to palestinian children nearly $26000.00 killed or injured sofa according to save the children. is that in your view defense?

can it be described as defenders? no, no. it's a copy on the legitimate subject. pence and, and of course he's right as a right of self depends. that's what on, on, on those western lead the pride and get on the site. it's legitimate sub to fed. and what the us even said from, from a relative really well on was for, they've been targeted operations against the how much i this what they decided to do was, and they made the list visa, then that then you all government the most extreme in the history of is right of by the way, with ministers who have set things that, that are from them. but really they said, we will make basically gusta on level, but we will change. does have completely we will not let in food. we will not let

in electricity. we will not let in, in water. that's what they sent. early on, many, many minutes or so. all could have become a surprise when they saw what happened. you've seen plenty of conflict over the years, but you wrote in february to stand in the ruins of gaza is to be overwhelmed by the object failure of the international community. for, for decades. my work has taken me to many was out, but i've never be confronted by anything like this. what. what was the vase that confronted you and left such an abiding impression on you? yeah, i'm glad your your, your, your putting that question because there are some very unique features around garza and then there are some that are not boucher need. i've also been

a relate to the shot, shoot on board that and met the 10s of thousands of people up for let the object risk of death who ensued don, mass of sexual it violence, massive amounts of mass that goes and know 8 to speak of. and obviously beyond belief and minimal people live that kind of a reality in the should done. now, ben garza, so what's unique about casa is number one, there is no escape. there is no chunk or full or opponent or let been on hold. the palestinians trapped inside it then stood populated area and that's the other one. i mean they, they, this has been split up and they did without escape. sadly, it's a more inc,

ends on boardman in this smart place then in any of the place. and in recent memory and then then lack of adequate access for you minute, terrance, to assist them. not because of lack of resources. because the, the, the border crossings are controlled with a belligerent that is not allowing it to go in. and then finally, what's that unique is that a general has don't us that high bus in ukraine and then shoot on and, and, and then so many other places the westbank countries are, are actually playing a very negative role here because they have that provide the tools or the attack, so we are at, out with the, with the governments that you, we are usually a language. but even without that to being aligned with is riley

policy. even without that, you say they could have done much more when it comes to delivering aid to god. so you said, i would say to the countries like the you can us, why haven't they organized their own con, voice in the gaza. they come on the international law, how companies rel, is allowed to control. oh, going in, even at the egyptian gods. the border international law says you have to enable enforced release to people who are starving. if there was a belligerent who was denying it, they could of some pay turned up at the border with the aid. i'm not that good lied spears writers to, to let them in. well going across the different border with that when in, in, in, in cooperation with, with the, with egypt and said, hey, a is read all you're going to bump this us. you take german con

void that is going with fruit and other humanitarian relief that we friends of his friends have monitored ourselves. of course they wouldn't have done that. so a give you another example to him in, in syria, there is an area controlled by, by on deposition groups. some of them of the name of a character. perhaps that would be a mouse. uh, it may be just a slimy uh groups. uh, one of them which the legions do i tell you that some? yes. back to that area, the convoys go over from turkey and there is un security resolution and enabling that and its monitored by you and monitors. and it, the, the, the, the, the aides pro some very well,

and it's not like they are asking us thought big the, the syrian government in, in damascus spoke for permission. there was a lot of presidents that could have done this according to international role. and they did, and when you asked them about this, what was the response that the know we have to cooperate with this rug and the israel is interesting to control every single zillow that goes across the board even from, from egypt. so so, well i'm so type really weak weight where we're impotent, they admitted that that meant that, i mean that's i bought by it by also by, by that deep. i mean, i mean, not a single. the truck goes from egypt into directly into gus that without its having been monitored by is really hospice in the, in the your own. on the as really side of the board that it's there we have

a you should go and see it set lying to come in the line to come in the queue to be monitored and, and fled to go back and into the no man's land to be reloaded in local trucks to go to to, to the starving children of the of golf site. it says it said it has been a different system from day one. yeah. very good. and where do you see? oh, this is another 6 months more violence. most suffering. i, i really think them, it will, it, we, we, we will not have this is short or red, but it's 6 months. the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week. really. and, and that we sped for the blood, the boss in rough up. but then we may have less

attention and the ruined gossip that meets on how to become live up, or what the people who may still be trucked there. most people with, well, i think want to leave that. that's what they told me when i was there this the fight this, the find the own of these walls has made us believe this is no future for our children. we. we tried to go to new york, we will try to go west, but so i think that would be an extra this. i think that would be to let resources for the rebuilding my organization that we serve refuge account. so has been charged by by leading b plus double gonna station responsible for that. hosting you're like, there are $400000.00 plus homes destroyed with

that much on but oh sion more than that. it's, it's, it's beyond belief and that needs to be rebuilt. and 6 months from now, one people will still be living at best intense. do you think many of the palestinians will get pushed into the sign either being rubers or egypt has actually been huddling over the price for accepting them? do you believe those rules or what i have, what i understand is that the extremist in is really politics and hispanic cabinet . you want to estimate clicked lens, people out of goss on in to see night from where they would not necessarily have the right to return to a rebuild. gosh, saw that, that may now even be, be colonized by this plus or off. celebrate thing in this run the, that what is happening and there, and hopefully it's feeling up of the land from the,

from the policy. and so all of this we have to fight where it's, none of this is a given owner of this can be reversed and i hope that is well that needs to have recognition needs to be living in security. it needs to not be attacked by extremists as that. where on the 7th of october, i hope that is what would come to the census. i hope that the united states u. k. germany and this will on this time that it is out to productive for us, right? what has been done in the last few months? if they, if we want desperate to live in security and peace and in recognition being recognized by the neighbors. the has to be a completely different the product. the policy from is from you were trying to stay involved with the p stokes that lead to the lowest level codes between israel and

the palestinians. and 1993, a quotes which ultimately failed to bring a lasting peace settlement. but you have said, but the leaders who are now in key positions don't have the same stature onto the same color, but they were in 1993. the populace on both sides. what can you expect from those populace as you call them? yeah, i, i'd say it's a, it's a complete lack of a believe the ship. of course, an extreme is to happen. it's positions and is run and uh, and then on the palestinian side, they all split and from mos shorted this route on the 7th of october and 10th hundreds of billions of the policy and administration is very weak and old. and so what i,

what i hope is that the is, is randy or elliptical establishment will right. good. nice that there ways had been counter productive for the future of his ride. i hope that on the senate side, there is a recognition that we need to be unite thing and we need to have a new we need to cooperate as palestinians for a future that that would be new, need the ships on both sides and mo, most importantly we need the united states, we need the european union, and we need the gulf congress and n a and egypt and jordan, the 2 most important neighboring countries to cooperate in, in clustering or a solution. because i think a loan is ready to spell as it is. would it be in take the burden and unwilling to find a common church? are you getting any sleep these days?

is there any kind of realistic hope that your managing to cling to? i wonder what the effect is on you of all the suffering that you've seen close up? well, i, i, i've seen that this has been one of the worst periods of my fault to. yes, i said you were monitoring what get because the needs of growing so exponentially the resources available for us solid there at t. s level door for going down and international politics. oh, it's nice relations on not constructive, nor expected, nor efficient. and by the way, not keeping up hope. yeah, big like we have to leave with that. thank you so much for being on public. so appreciate your time. thank you.

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