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tv   Conflict Zone  Deutsche Welle  May 2, 2024 5:30am-6:01am CEST

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of course, we said there was never giving up every weekend on d. w. the coffee is where i live mid to killing 7 for an aid workers in gaza. that'd be in hopes that the humanitarian situation, my ease, and the desperately need of food to begin to reach the hundreds of thousands of risk of funding for how realistic of those hopes, my guess is. yeah, megan hadn't been the wage and refugee council for decades of experience and the humanitarian field. he's also a former, diplomatically, was personally involved with a low piece told between israel and the palestinians in the 1990. how does he fix the savage war? and then in 6 months the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week, really and,
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and that we sped for the blood. fos and rough edgarland says the power of the rising of garza and our ranks among the worst assault from any civilian population in our time a day. why was the power on the subject before so many were killed? young welcome to come pick. so thank you very much. after the killing of the 7, the aid workers in gaza by israeli troops. that's the new hope that's the. so the aid situation might improve on the ground to some meaningful degree. do you think that hope is justified? yeah, the hope is justified i, i, we desperately need it. we haven't seen much proof of it. perhaps a little bit more trucks coming over the game show on board the crossing in the south. i haven't seen trucks coming through the northern border crossings yet.
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and this then i left of restrictions on in terms of movement inside the south, that is red control was completely no except for rough and the south with the military troops. you mentioned rough. uh, if they uh, on the slots, if they advance is really advanced, goes ahead and rough or what would the situation be there then? i mean, they would be terrific beyond belief. i was there myself 51256 weeks ago. it's a, it's a place like nowhere else. and the one it's, it's in effect, the largest refuge account on us. 1.4000000 people crammed to get that in an area which is like once happens, all the municipality of us know where i live. these people have flipped
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to 34, or 5 times. most of them, they have nowhere else to go because like i'm not free into is red from, with their answers this paid. nor can they go into the chip. so the trap that it could, they don't know if they could read, knows what would meet them. there would be a heap of ruins. it's it's, it's a horrific thing. it will be a black box to go into wrap up. that's why we're fight thing this very idea. it's and it's one to humanity, to have a war in a refuge account. but even without rough or the statistics are pretty horrendous. aren't they? those from the un office for the code, the nation of humanitarian to fast released on april 6, 1100000 people in gaza, experiencing catastrophic food and security. there are no quick fixes to that of the, you know, very quick ones, except that this is now off, hundreds,
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thousands of trucks that could go across the board across things in the north to the time and stricken north tomorrow. i mean a that it, but times can easily go in and out from is right. why couldn't 8 trucks go go in and out. this is the, i'm at manmade fireman from h is that it's, it's, it's not the, the, the, the drought of somalia. and that's where this is a comment made by it was and made by a brocade that is rather has some post on the in us and does the sense that they not to the lodge to the, to the 99 percent not to participate in the horace of the 7th of october, britton's father, the secretary david cameron said last week what we were told was previously
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impossible. event by the israelis suddenly became impossible. i started poor to me, i was crossing will soon reopen water will be turned back on. more aid will flow through kara shuttle. um, what is the right, do you see movement that would tell you that this is now happening, but that's be the change of hot on the israeli side. what i think finally the united states read even germany to some extent is accepting the pressure on, on the as really war machine to be paid according to, to the last, a war that we didn't see. and that's in the 1st 5 months at or what seems some of that now. and then comes to promises that the port stop would open, the border crossings would open. they haven't sofa. i had that has been more trucks
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coming. all the care rooms alone in the very south. yes. but it's been very hard to get enough trucks going north to that or were fix it you haitian, where hundreds of thousands of people are in effect in, in them. and so what i hope is that those should provide the choose for this, the odds for this, the bombs oh, this in discriminant sold on gossip. and they are the united states, germany on, to a lesser extent, the u. k. and the west and countries they need, i think we need to really set some really pressure and, and also stop providing arms to something which is on the, the indiscriminate we prove that from the 1st week in the response from is read off to different reflect attacks on the 7th of october, you seem to be citing the western countries which are on the why not and supplying
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um, southern america, i'm calling for it then to the, the fighter you or at least a humanitarian pause. hypocritical is, is that 2 of you? uh yeah, yeah, they, uh, they all seen a super critical by the world but, but that's more than anything that the occupation and, and, and, and, and the plumbing of apartment houses and the turning or for electricity and water is not really bad in ukraine as we will all agree, but it's somehow or what as well as doing the same, that's what the one sees as industrial, the scale it punk receive. what i would say is that they have been for this problem thing lee, and put that in that the problem to save yourself a is from they they must have seen because we provided the evidence for that that
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the assault was indiscriminate from october. the 20th the last yeah they, they know that we went not allowed access to to gossip as we stood as human at terry. and i want them my son and left us to the us administration and to the you in mid october. that if they allowed is from which is a lick your rent yet to controlling the port, the crossings on politically, with the military stop. it would never work in terms of your military access. so they knew all of this and they did very electric, but they continued to pride offs or all of this, what was their response when you gave them this morning, will to some extent we didn't even get an onset. but when we got the answers, they said, when we take it for granted, that this reality is, is following the,
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the rules of what a warrior meant is having a little of on conflict. we are asking them to provide humanitarian access. we will tell them again to provide humanitarian access. we are telling them to, to achieve the civilian population. and then we told up, but you must see your stuff that i'm not listening and upset sometimes to me, it's like putting your fingerprints on over a crime scene. if you provide 2000 pound bumps to place, one apartment, i will civilian phone up comedies is coming off to the other. how would you not have complicity in what's happening? how do you explain this diplomatic impotence as you call it from the west of nations? yeah, we didn't, yeah, i still have problems and understanding it because i think it was strategic mistake
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of enormous proportions in the beginning uh that they didn't understand and learn from 911 in the united states where the phone went, went from having border sympathy with the united everett body and then licked the ballot. the beeper saw that there was water boarding and black sites and, and, and, and the, the, the us trust it's more of how i ground and it became some kind of mud wrestling match with these horrific organizations. the same thing they must have had foreseen when they went to as well and said what we all felt that the wants to grow some, a mazda attack on the, on the is radius of bindham population. and, and i, i have come then those who say no, this was an operation in guest occupation. this was legitimate,
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that it costs or what, or that is renaissance. it was not, it was killing a women children construct go, go was, i'm a st capabilities. it was horrific and condemning about it but, but then to, to go the insight, what behind whatever you do that was, but basically the message then that then the sort came and then it's very odd to say, oh oh, stop. what we'd like to start. as the was going on, many countries have continued to repeat to the mantra that israel has every right to defend itself because it suffered a run this casualties on october. the 7th. when you look at the statistics of this complex, particularly those relating to palestinian children nearly $26000.00 killed or injured sofa according to save the children. is that in your view defense?
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can it be described as defenders or no, no, it's poppy on legitimate stuff. depends an energy cost is right as a right. so it depends. that's what on or those west and lead the pride and get on sites. it's legitimate. subject that and what the us even said from, from a relative earlier on was for, they've been targeted operations against the how much i this what they decided to do was, and they made a mess visa, then that then you all government the most extreme in the history of israel, by the way, with ministers who have set things that, that are on the rebate. they said we will make basically gusta on live report. we will change casa completely, we will not let in food. we will not let in electricity, we will not let in, in,
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in water. that's what they sent. early on. many, many minutes or so. all could have become a surprise when they saw what happened. you've seen plenty of conflict over the years, but you wrote in february to stand in the ruins of gaza is to be overwhelmed by the object failure of the international community. for, for decades. my work has taken me to many was out, but i've never be confronted by anything like this. what. what was the vase that confronted you and left such an abiding impression on you? yeah, i'm glad your your, your, your putting that question because there are some very unique features around garza and then there are some that don't know that unique. i've also been a relate to the shot,
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shoot on board that and met the 10s of thousands of people up for let the object risk of death who ensued don, mass of sexual it violence, massive amounts of mass that goes and know 8 to speak of. and i, with the beyond belief and minimal people live that kind of a reality in the should done. now, ben garza, so what's unique about casa is number one, there is no escape. there is no chunk or full or opponent or let been for the palestinians trapped inside it, densely populated area. and that's the other one. i mean they, they, this is densely populated without escape. sadly, it's a more inc, ends on bought, meant in this smart place. then in, in the place and, and,
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and recent memory. and then the lack of adequate access. would you meant it, terrance, to assist them? not because of lack of resources. because the, the, the border crossings are controlled with a belligerent that is not allowing it to go in. and then finally, what's that unique is that a general has don't us that high bus in ukraine and then shoot on and, and, and then so many other places what's been countries are, are actually playing a very negative role here because they have that provide the tools for the attack, so we are at, out with the, with the governments that you, we are usually a language. but even without that to being aligned with is rarely policy. even without that,
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you say they could have done much more when it comes to delivering aid to god. so you said, i would say to the countries like the u. k. and us, why haven't they organized around con, voice into gaza? they come on the international law, how companies rel, is allowed to control. oh, going in, even at the egyptian gods border. international law says you have to enable enforced release to people who are stopping. if there was a belligerent who was denying it, they could of some pay turned up at the border with the aid. i'm not that good, lied spears writers to let them in or going across the different border with that when in, in, in, in cooperation with, with the, with egypt and set, hey, eh, is read, are you going to bump this us, you take german con, void that is going with fruit and other humanitarian relief that we friends of his
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friend a monitor ourselves. of course they wouldn't have done that. so a give you another example of them in in syria there is an area controlled by, by a, um, deposition groups. some of them all the names of a character perhaps that would be from us. uh it may be. yeah, it is slamming uh groups. uh, one of them fledged the legions to i'll tell you that some. yes. back to that area, the convoys go over from turkey, and there is a un security resolution enabling that, and it's monitored by you and monitors. and it, the, the, the, the, the a pro se very well. and it's not like they are asking us that big the,
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the syrian government and the muskets spoke for permission. there's a lot of presidents that could have done this according to international role. and they did. and when you ask them about this, what was the response that the know we have to cooperate with this rug and the israel is interesting to control every single zillow that goes it across the board, even from, from egypt. so so, well i'm so type really weak weight where we're impotent, they admitted that that meant that, i mean that's i bought by it by also by, by that deep. i mean, i mean, not a single. the truck goes from egypt into directly into gus that without its having been monitored by is really hospice in the, in the your own. on the as really side of the board that it's there we have a you should go and see it set lying to come in the line to come in the
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queue to be monitored and, and fled to go back and into the no man's land to be reloaded in local trucks to go to to, to the starving children of the of golf site. it's it said it has been a different system from day one. yeah. very good. and where do you see? oh, this is another 6 months more violence most suffering. i . i really think them it will, it, we, we, we will not have this is short or right, but it's 6 months. the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week. really. and, and that we are sped for the blood, the boss in rough up, but then we may have less attention and the ruling casa,
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that meets on how to become live up, or what the people who may still be trucked there. most people with, well, i think want to leave that. that's what they told me when i was there this the fight this, the find the own of these walls has made us believe this is no future for our children. we. we tried to go to new york, we will try to go as but so i think that would be an extra this. i think that wouldn't be too late to results just for the rebuilding my organization that we should refuge account. so has been charged by by leading b plus double organization responsible for that. hosting, you're like, there are $400000.00 plus homes destroyed. what damage on, but oh sion more than that it's, it's, it's beyond belief and that needs to be rebuilt. and 6 months from now,
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one people will still be living at best intense. do you think many of the palestinians will get pushed into the sign? i that'd be robust. that egypt has actually been huddling over the price for accepting them. do you believe those rules or what i have, what i understand is that the extremist in is really politics and hispanic cabinet . you want to estimate clicked lens, people out of goss on in to see night from where they would not necessarily have the right to return to a rebuild. gosh, saw that, that may now even be, be colonized by the set plus or celebrate thing in this run, the, that what is happening and there, and hopefully a steaming up of the land from the, from the policy. and so all of this we have to fight where it, none of this is
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a given owner of this can be reversed and i hope. but it's well that needs to have recognition, needs to be living in security. it needs to not be attacked by extremists as that. where on the 7th of october, i hope that is what would come to the census. i hope that the united states u. k. germany and this will on this time that it is out to productive for us, right? what has been done in the last few months? if they, if we want desperate to live in security and peace and in recognition being recognized by the neighbors, that has to be a completely different uh, product policy from is from you well pro, stay involved with the p stokes that lead to the alls level codes between israel and the palestinians, and 1993, a quotes which ultimately failed to bring
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a lasting peace settlement. but you have said, but the leaders who are now in key positions don't have the same stature onto the same color, but they were in 1993. the populace on both sides. what can you expect from those populace as you call the? yeah i, i'd say it's a, it's a complete lack of a believe the ship. of course an extreme is to happen. it's positions and is run and uh, and then on the palestinian side, they all split and from mos shorted this route on the 7th of october and 10th hundreds of billions of the policy and administration is very weak and old. and so what i, what i hope is that the is, is randy or elliptical establishment will recognize that their
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ways had been counter productive for the future of his ride. i hope that on the policy and that side, there is a recognition that we need to be unite thing and we need to have a new we need to cooperate as palestine as for a future that that would be new, need the ships on both sides and mo, most importantly we need the united states, we need the european union, and we need the gulf congress, n, n a and egypt and jordan to, to most important neighboring congress to cooperate in, in plus string for a solution. because i think a loan is ready to spell as it is. would it be incapable of an unwilling to find a common church? are you getting any sleep these days? is there any kind of realistic hope that your managing to cling to?
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i wonder what the effect is on you of all the suffering that you've seen close up when i i uh, i've seen that this has been one of the west periods of my hope to. yes, i said you were monitoring what get because the needs of growing so exponentially the resources available for us solid there at t. s level adults for going down an international politics. oh, it's nice relations on not constructive, nor expected, nor efficient. and by the way, not giving up hope. yeah. big like we have to needed that. thank you so much for big and complex. i appreciate your time. thank you. the
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. this is dw news line from berlin is real, reopens a lifeline for the people of cause that desperately needs humanity. hearing aid is now being allowed into the territory to the amorous crossing, which had been closed since the october the 7th terror attacks. also coming up on the program, demonstrators continue outside new york city columbia university police clinic, pro palestinian protest can on the ground of the university brought the crackdowns doing nothing to stop the surprise of student my protest across the united states and georgia's capitals. he's another night of violent protest demonstrators and a policing.