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hello and welcome back to the 77 percent. this week we are in one of my favorites, which is in africa. there is the long times in the now did you know that the over a 100 languages spoken here and yet? so he remains a national language, in fact, tons of media until recently was only one or 22 countries in africa to have that. as of today, we are asking why is it that we choose these impose languages when we have so many to choose from who better to assets, then some fellow tons of ideas. and i just want to start to be a general question, rachel. and by the way, i know we're having this conversation in english, which is the entire point of this debate. so just by show of hands, how many of you speak more than 2 languages? at least 2 or more languages? that's almost everyone on the panel who speaks at least 3 languages at least really well, at least for ok. so let's start with you. the last man who is

a student here in terms of the yeah, he's actually from a, from diana. so a club. so what languages do you speak? so i speak english now to say you alex s b, i kind of a cheat analysis, this house that you also see costa. so for language, so how many languages do you speak? 2 languages, which ones are they in english. okay. so is it normal for most hands and he has to be speaking at least more than 2 languages are going to be forward as it is, but i think, yeah, usually the standard 2 is usually the standard, but most often it's one say, okay, so when we think tons of media normally. the 1st thing that comes to mind is just the beauty, but also the use of this. will he be language? can you tell me how he became so prevalent in this country? historically? i think it's due to just the history of so he, of the cost has been the place to bring people together persians or hands of the european so. so healy was the only literally the language abroad,

this people together. so you'd have an arrow because the ceramic approaches disclosure who can speak to the offers. so they had to form a language that everyone would understand and that's how so he was born, which is i some of the phrases some words do. so he leaves me like a rabbit corps are kind of like it or at least and so, and so over the years kind of builds up that way. so they've been tribal wise, you would have as a bunch of language, you'd have some phrases in this drive. also mimicking some phrases. and so obviously it's a concerted efforts, not just by the politicians, but also the people of times when you have to speak. so he be right, but obviously this has also brought some challenges villamore because well, many people just speak to you, then not entirely able to communicate with the rest of the blow. right? yes, one of the people defended us. so he from the background, from the original smartphone, people who are like you maybe went to school with idea i got to need it's lynn english regardless. okay, so talk to me

a little bit about how it is in terms of mia every, let me speak to you because you're a teach at a private school. the language of instruction is ideally supposed to be useful. healy until you gets to secondary school. am i right? i see that 2 options in the private sector. that is where english is mostly spoken as the medium of communication, waiting. the governments which i have is mostly spoken as the medium of communication. so that gives a chance for most events, keep reading the language and gets used to eat and the groves, but when they reach samuel b a, they get to secondary. suppose that is when they sense using one language inductance, english as the meat of a communication, isn't this difficult to though? i mean to have that super high transition support? tell me about the experience. it's really difficult because know when a child is speaking, my, the, my, the language associated and then there you, you, you being to use another language english. it's really hard for students to build up with 2 languages. yeah. so it's really has, right. so i'd like to ask the question to someone who has a ph. d, or is doing

a pc? is what healey? yeah, it's me don't sound. we have language is honestly, along with the locals, along with the swahili language and the kinds of language. and do we have lots of limit a lot of language as much as much as we can. but when it comes to the language of instruction, for my opinion, i think we should instructed what to do. she was ditch a student who you're using the language. what do they know and before my side doesn't, yeah, i think it's a bit use this white white sway to because it's known if the student loan to the teacher is not up to just one second said available. so ditching using and the kind of language it's miss uses pop, those who lose a lot of energy. and i'm telling you. so we looked up to the dual face, given to just been, not most of just of the, of, you know, coming to because you're raising your hands there. also, like i said, over a 100 languages spoken in this country. so what's the place of those quote unquote,

by the time actually that they buy the things. uh, basically how do you use the tribes. okay. and therefore it's likely happens to be the mainland with business looking in wisconsin. and for that please, i need 2 nights. this brings us to give us some settings and that is right these way we've spoken in, in this country. yeah, i also wanted to speak about this and see should move from the time able to stick with that isn't usually there's some, had she during the 1st 2 years because the kids or the people has to try to transform. he will have so language, but it must be a so that they can pop up with the education and oh, that's okay. but the sub to years, they usually are on the same level because the set speaking on at even control. and so they need to catch and vision on the english language. okay, maria, i work in publishing. so we see a lot of people who are non degree days. so you have someone who's graduated from college who really reads per year and, and this is almost always, that should be due to the fact that they only have to learn english in um, in,

in secondary or they only have had to learn. so he can make only primary and then they have to abandon it. so by the way, before we get too far, i just want to tell our audience that there's been numerous studies that have been done. we support the fact that early childhood learning is actually better if done in a medium of instruction that the child understands. let me hear from you as most of these on countries and these people are trying to get into that activity based on the why that's language and come video. so you know that going for. so that's and that action, we mean 1st, lynn extra language. i say english language size, if someone came for me being that idea now. so that's what the reason is. bodies in rather fact as with any doctors. ok. sure. so during that, this is a really interesting point. she's brought up which is where the hierarchy of language is, right. so he said that when it comes to business at home, speaking to your people help on a pallet you're used this way. but when it comes to business, english is the preferred language. why? and so he's also an official language,

in most cases we are bundling language. so he, when switching for job searching for the, for the opportunities, you must know english. you also speak. so he has such a national language, but it's does it actually help you to move to the higher levels when he was searching for different opportunities and the sway as my m. c. d, a. when we moved from different my liberal, we do a bundle, you know, a long. okay, so we're talking about abandoning the language and yes, the people who i think top dollar to learn the language. lilian here is from zimbabwe and she's doing how must of him. so he, so what got you thinking? this is a language i want to use even other times and he has himself say, perhaps it's not the best language should be learning at the moment. well say for me uh, i saw that you say you eh, it's getting over to me for my own country. let me just say that i'm the lovely to

solicit you this like a tiny bit. wow. okay, congratulations. yeah. so i assume that this language is going to give me explain to me for because like now but was, was setting to then it's use this to me specially to this is being forced to them to. so he is one feeling with this is feeling, assessing that well, they didn't tell you needs the chinese, you're teaching the germans here teaching. well they go for those language as well . so you don't have anyone who's speaking now which say just to, to go for keith, why he left is also in a 15 language up. that's an interesting what you've used for 2 lines like you need . do you think that we are forcing of the africans to use the national, the native languages, the, the african languages. so healy has always been new, will actually go, you know, it's links people together. i think what's happening right now, even with the savings of them, do you know me language is

a you and in the ac is that we understand that it links people has more than a language as a culture. so being african people relate to. so the healey speakers because you relate to the culture in itself. well, just the language. yeah. so, but mario, we really being honest with ourselves. yeah. if i'm just be calling us to be as a kind of kind of really want to make fun of terms of me is because of your proficiency of, of what you leave. i mean of english. we internalize the self hate so that we judge people based on their ability to just be a board language. let me have some thoughts on the floor. right. because oh yeah, yeah, go ahead. i would have to say uh in since then. yeah. when do you speak english? when people look at you like you're intelligent and on a sick, so he oh, when you can speak english, there was look actually doing the hallways and thing and angers fully show for this like you're for because you don't know english. so it's, it's, it's really, i don't really get it. i was these, we say, speaking english as,

as being intelligence. well, while it's, it's a language everybody can just you then can you come in any language? it can be whatever it doesn't, doesn't really matter. yeah. yeah. really, yeah, it was a just to, to research on the highlight your language actually, but we kind of to change. we actually have writers just that is we have english and then we have showing that they haven't did that day. so now like english is being until white because it's the media, i'm a foundation bank for the whole country. we don't have like additional language, which is our own downwards. we only use english assembly, you know, communication safe. you missing someone from another ethnic group and you said present can speak english to kind of slow. yeah. transforming anything. so we actually have that pay like just send me a 2nd to just come to evelyn. i read that teaches a sometimes horrible to students who don't speak. so he who employs the and shame as a tool to try and encourage them to learn. is this true to you?

see what happens is, as my friend saves you, that's english is being termed as they say, the news of intelligence you see and not speaking english. you seem like you, you have an useful. okay? and that is, that becomes of really big for me in this kind of just moving as okay. and my advice to the government, they think since they decided to have these 2 sections that we have, they have the schools and private schools. i think we should also continue events on the similar level because that will give an option to of a to set it with the site, the language to keep on using it. and perhaps that will do it better. yeah. for i shall i still you really shaking your head when i asked about this shame question. uh oh good. did you have an experience in secondary i remember when what school there was a room to speak english and you don't speak english for the day. the punishments and everything. so normal punishment like, you know,

the more calls you know, $650.00 a couple of 6. you get a couple of 6, you know, punishments in there. so we had really to, to call using english, try not to speak. so if you look at all, oh wow, well, day from wanting to evening, maybe later on in the, the waning and there the dummy free. that's why you was 6. so here you a little. yeah. but i mean, this must not be good psychologically for anyone who's trying to learn the language . right. let me hear from you. see, we used to be forced to speak english. yeah. why we we come from becky ground of speaking. so here we have seen raised and in, so i healy, so you reach in secondary school and find yourself that you have to speak. you will really need to speak english as your best language. so we're getting confusion at the end of the day. you know, because the teachers, they, they, they, they, they the, the, the school they haven't explain why, what,

what are the importance of a student to speak these uh english, but fearful seeing you at the end of the day, you have to speak english for monday to do it evening, then you find yourself, you are hungry. you are here and you are ending up hating these things. schools, english. so i really like what you said about it even makes you, you know, sort of don't want to learn english in it to a certain degree. yeah. but when we draw so healey, as you say, or when we don't see it as valuable, what do we lose as a society? when you don't seeing swahili or if you don't write in swahili, what do we lose? of the culture lose our stories growing up. we as you know, tons, onions, historically we being stories have been passed down to us by your oral traditions or like we have grandfather's grandmother's telling us stories. these are heated. but then you have someone who now has to abandon home to go to school where they're

no longer being told those stories. are he no longer reading it is really the no longer right? jesus or he, you, you, you lose your identity. i was actually think all these discussions going on, there's a sort of like a culture, a range of that's happening where people forget to the out. so you, you find yourself unable. i'm actually the victim of that unable to, to relate and connect to your own language. so that loss of identity comes across. as you recall, it sophisticated because you learn english, you able to communicate internationally, but really is a loss of self and in the identity of who you as a person. and really should say to a very big thing because uh, someone said yeah, when them most students who are not really assessing very good because of the area and then we don't get a lot of people that are professional in many areas like in industries. i,

you know, moving to center everything so we, or you find that we have to get another people to come over to do our stories, to rachel books. you know, to make a film to do everything for us this way. as she said, we are losing our own stories like who are raising so if you can speak for yourself and because you don't have a long which is on. so let me have for me, let's see. uh, like for the a c h with me leaving your language of friends. and lenny someone makes use of items when they see that they can i think we make 2 courts or things retain late right now. for example, the bullet, the, you know, mary, the diary yes, yes. to do that. and the bearing of the dates, those are the 2 courts or things which i know regional. but a lot of the things we were, they were doing big things like it for us. okay. we don't to anything about that, but do you, do you lose your identity as simply by learning another language or is it because

because i mean, i speak multiple languages, right? i have not stuck to being i q query or kenya and or an african. well, the problem is that when you live along which you know the sites, it's like the people who the language like with the problem comes. so when i speak english, i try to just like an english person, you know, 18, they can just visit. this means i have to leave all my cultures behind and it's like the ones i'm learning about, right? so let me ask last month when, when you started learning, what can you, did you find yourself making decisions that were different from, say, perhaps if you're speaking a lot less, by the way, when you dream, what language do you dreaming? i think i think i do is a now clause now and even speaking that kind of how the site kind of looks like. mm hm. yeah. let me ask the arena here because when i'm looking at the 1st industrial

revolution, everybody using the digital space as well, he is fairly well represented, but not enough, right? are we losing out on perhaps making leap and bones that's active because we just look speaking the language is uh, we need to localize the tools nice localize the content so that they can be accessing swahili language. i mean this way we to be able to save a lot of age and to make sure that this generation comes in plain language. i would say that's remaining isaac bottles picking our local language. we just make technology for us because the technology, the money market for sticking a movie at the future and they're using it with the site. and doesn't young's alliston that along with them so even and that was made maybe for business by us they, we guess, transformed those technologies meets all along with the months. so the fact that that comes for me from an active language,

we have being forced to add that technology rather than take longer. this one that i totally get to a point and be 200 millions because of so a healy on the continents. surely it should be adopted. yeah, i a so, so i totally get your point. so back to you creating in your mother's tongue. it's like you, you, how does that compare to when you perhaps seeing right in india, she's an artist by the way, as far as her. so it's really easy when you, when you seem, or when you producing or when you're acting in your mother language. because you're being yourself, you know, you're being, you're living under your own scan, nothing in there because you're so find out what i mean. and we by you, and we're not going to when i talk with you to him, we by and connected to the volume, but he will fly before i can get is that a focus we're here to. so the name of because reading is still fun. you that he's the money, it is the own. enjoy the music like you know, people can get it on the so many i know for the oh that's, i'm gonna save you what? uh, you're the one you, i'm good yourself. i don't know like, hey,

how are you gonna test is or what do you need to sign you up and when, by your company does that go to an access or are seeing or what you find out? why raffle? i like that. so we need to the piece of the language just because it helps us tell us stories one point going and a big by using the thing for the. yeah. is that still got those? the so slow? you think we're not free as a people because we speak these lower languages know really about the surveys that we've for, for the device. so i'm looking for using english. i'm looking for the most to me i can do much, elizabeth fairly well, you know, look as a body slot, a early to your to, to do not get new phones that were moved up. now you, if i'm getting the one that will go no, you have body up with this one day when you were love, you can get as much as you fight on. so could you not to your fun, you feel that bother have both chevy from the use of the well no words to embody 40

or 12 on your phone? i have got the model of your to example. could you look it up like when i'm ready for the us? i have to walk tomatti. what was about we have to get as a possible use a double. yeah. well you have to talk to modify law, continue the people, hobbies as well. when you know both see your low wonderful job wasn't working what, what, what your rough, why didn't well physics, what do you want me? i just wanted to when i went to for fortunately the is a good, the good news is what do you, what you don't those are the don't, did you go, did you push the button the, please don't tell russell, a finding that there must be multiple drugs i was wondering is, is that the younger couple of them? i really, really loved the question that you're speaking here about. but i think we need some practical steps. yeah, i think, you know, they do well with all these speaking. i'm other tongues, perhaps a lingua franca,

which is an applicant language and then english. but that's not the reality today. so how do we shift this thinking? how do we get multiple interesting applicant languages? what people speaking them, writing and then seeing them doing debates in them. let's just some ideas. so i think uh on my side i'll do more. oh, look, i license do you to tools and did you get to contents into our language into so he and this is the very best way to present this language. it is the very best way for people to live in the digital spaces. okay. you had another point for me, which would be our site calling the language we have at the best and whatever we are doing as me and said that we should emphasize using all along. so from there, when we transform them that on we move them valid. you natalie to not track visions to the counselors. so typically we are doing, we do it through the phase of our okay. i like that somebody does. yeah. let's hear from you at the box and when i see a honda comes, what are you thinking of as

a he will, it's only lucy, so he but you're also losing all and that's his language is for now we have a native language is yates, as any of that dying, for example, comedy language, lots, most of us know that kind of language. it is from the eastern bunch of people in africa, the 1st language to be spoken and he so he does spoken by 15 countries. and not only that, you said, i forgot, but also into western africa into central africa this i'm country speaking, so he and we have to, for once a he, i to live with that all of the african countries have to speak. so he is the 1st to them which to be spoken. he ate africa, south africa, yet teaching. so healy is, well yeah. they recently adopted the to them and let me hear from you final final thoughts. how do we preserve this language? new language is okay. so i think these 3, okay, governments discussion constituents in particular, you could conference that should work together. governments should make the priorities in making us what healey as our main language, but also accessibility to percentages. but also technology companies that should have the different accessing produced media device or products like apps that

should have also put in so heated as a part of many windows up well. so we have lots of, you know, if it does, we have another free created this one he does on it. they have a d s o, maybe to have design sorted. but we have to present those with within those ideas because you have to be in english, even the english and shelly new, sort of an efficient jelly. they named is still going to move it, but they don't know how to use that to manage it. so the government to the kitchen go solution into can you composition up to get? i'm from watching oscar longer to let me get the last 2 points. these one from you and marian will finish with you agree that a good from most of of you for haley, let us drop the idea that when you speak english, you'd be looking like to intelligence and weltman everything. let us send that out to you. so i really to go by like you so i usually came up to speed to see what's swahili know africa. let's as use it to me,

she was the speech of what children that the, the child, what community. so that we can promote it more you swahili look on j. thank you so ok, so maria, somebody's in the in addition to everything, as those just said, i think another thing we need to do is also change our mindset on what we su would be a quote unquote commercial. because i think that's when the world, if you give the world permission to show you that you're not cortical commercial, the world do show you that. if we are adamant to make contents, to create books to, to present our stories in the language that preserves who we are as a people, the world who make room for that, we just need to do it for us. so all of us have the collective responsibility to promote the language is that still the most religious to us? and also we have the, we, we, the world will make room for that. if we do it, i like that. i think that's a great place to rock this debate. we started with the simple question,

how do we change this narrative? i think you've given us a really good answer because preserving language is, is preserving our selves who we are as ask because i sent any sign that says i'm the, [000:00:00;00]

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