a 160 degrees and explore fascinating. both heritage dw world heritage 360 now is where i live, mr. kenning. 7 for an aide. work is in garza. that'd be in hopes that the humanitarian situation, my ease, and the desperately need of food can begin to reach the hundreds of thousands of risk of funding for how realistic of those hopes, my guess is yeah, mega and head of them. the wage and refugee council, for decades of experience in the humanitarian field. he's also a former, diplomatically, was personally involved with a low piece told between israel and the palestinians in the 1990s. how does he think his savage was connected? in 6 months the war must be over. i hope it's over in, in a week really. and, and that we sped for the blood, fos, in rough dig around,

says the power of the rising of garza now. right. so i'm, i'm the worst assault from any civilian population in our time a day. why would spend the power on the, the good stuff before so many were killed. young aguilar, welcome to come pick. so thank you very much. after the killing of the 7, the aid workers in gaza by israeli troops, that's the new hope that's the. so the aid situation might improve on the ground to some meaningful degree. do you think that hope is justified? yeah, the hope is justified. i, i, we desperately need it. we haven't seen much proof of it, perhaps a little bit more trucks coming over the hidden shuttle on board the crossing in the south. i haven't seen trucks coming through the northern border crossings yet.

and this then left of restrictions on, in terms of movement inside the cell, that is red controllers completely. no, except for roughly in the south with their military troops. you mentioned rough uh if they uh, on the slot, if the advance is really advanced, goes ahead and rough or what would the situation be there then? i mean, they would be terrific beyond belief. i was there myself 51256 weeks ago. it's a, it's a place like nowhere else in the one it's, it's in effect, the largest refuge account on us. 1.4000000 people crammed to get that in an area which is like what happens all the municipality of last row, where i live. these people have fled to 34 or 5 times.

most of them, they have nowhere else to go because like i'm not free into is red from with their ancestors pain. nor can they go into the chip. so the trap that it could, they don't know if they could, 3 knows what would meet them. there would be a heap of ruins. it's, it's, it's a horrific thing. it would be a black box to go into wrap up. that's why we're fight thing this very idea. it's, and it's want to humanity to have it will enter refuge account. but even without rough or the statistics are pretty horrendous, aren't they? those from the un office for the code? the nation of humanitarian and fast released on april 6, 1100000 people in gaza experiencing catastrophic food insecurity. there are no quick fixes to that of the, you know,

very quick ones except that this is, there are hundreds, thousands of trucks that could go across the board, across things in the north, to the common stricken north tomorrow every day that you have times can easily go in and out from is right. why couldn't 8 trucks go go in and out. this is the i'm at manmade departments from 8 years that it's, it's, it's not the, the, the, the drought of somalia. and that's where this is a comment made by it was and made by a brocade. that is right. it has some post on the in us and does the sense that they not to the launched the, to the 99 percent not to participate in the horace of the 7th of october. britton's father, the secretary david cameron said last week was we were told was previously

impossible. event by the israelis suddenly became possible. i started port and the iris crossing will soon reopen water will be turned back on. more aid will flow through care of shuttle. um, um you see right, uh, do you see movement that would tell you that this is now happening, but that's be the change of heart on the is really side what i think finally the united states read even german, if to some extent is accepting the pressure on, on b as rarely war machine to be paid according to, to the last a war that we didn't see. and that's in the 1st 5 months at, or we're seeing some of that now. and then comes to promises that the port stop would open, the border crossings would open. they haven't so far. that has been more trucks

coming. all the care rooms shut on in the very south. yes. but it's been very hard to get enough trucks going north to that, or we're fix it you haitian, where hundreds of thousands of people are in effect in, in them. and so what i hope is that those should provide the choose for this. the odds for this, the bombs or this in discriminant sold on gossip. and they are the united states, germany and to a lesser extent, the u. k. and not the western countries they need. i think we need to really accept some really pressure and, and also stop providing arms to something which is on that, that they indiscriminate. we prove that from the 1st week in the response from is read off to different griffith attacks on the 7th of october, you seem to be citing the western countries which are on the one that and supplying

themselves on the other hand, cooling for then to the the fighter you or at least a humanitarian pause, hypocritical is, is that you view? uh, yeah, yeah. they, uh it, it, they are seen that super critical by the world. but, but that's more than anything that the occupation and, and, and, and, and, and the plummeting of apartment houses and the turning off for electricity and, and, and water is that really bad in ukraine as we will only agree, but it's somehow honorable, what is what it's doing the same, that's what the one sees as industrial, the scale it progress. see. what i would say is that they have been on this problem thing lee. and put that in the pro. the save yourself a is from they they must have seen because we provided the evidence for that. that

the assault was indiscriminate from october. the 20th. the last yeah. they, they know that we went and that's the allowed access to to gossip. as we stood at you a minute, terry, and i want them my sons and let this to the us administration and to be you in mid october. that if they allowed is from which is a lick, your intent to controlling the port, the crossings completely with the military stop, it would never work in terms of your minutes are not. so they knew all of this and the did very electric, but they continued to pride offs for all of us. what was their response when you gave them this morning? what will, to some extent, we didn't even get an onset, but when we got done, since they said when we take it for granted, that this reality is, is following the, the rules of what a war human is having

a law of conflict. we are asking them to provide humanitarian access. we will tell them again to provide humanitarian access. we are telling them to, to a she'd be a civilian population. and then we told them that you must see your stuff that i'm not listening and upset sometimes to me, it's like putting your fingerprints or over a crime scene. if you provide 2000 pound bumps to place one apartment house civilian phone up comedies is coming off to the other. how would you not have complicity in what's happening? how do you explain this? get through a magic and impotence as you call it from the west of nations. yeah, we didn't. yeah, i still have problems and understanding it because i think that was strategic

mistake of enormous proportions in the beginning uh that they didn't understand and learn from 911 in the united states where the phone went, went from having border sympathy with the united states. everybody and then licked the ballot beeper so that there was water boarding and black sites and, and, and, and the, the, the us trust it's more of how a high ground and it became some kind of mud wrestling match with these horrific organizations. the same thing, they must have foreseen when they went to as well. and so what we for fed, that thing was to motion a mazda attack on the, on the is radius of bindham population then, and i, i have come then those who say no, this was an operation,

and guess up to patient. this was legitimate that it costs or what or that is renaissance. it was not, it was killing a women. children construct go, go was, i'm a st capabilities. it was horrific and condemning about it. but, but then to, to go the insight. what behind whatever you do that was, but basically the message then that then the sort came and then it's very odd to say, oh oh, stop. what we'd like to start as the was going on, many countries have continued to repeat to the mantra that israel has every right to defend itself because it suffered a run this casualties on october. the 7th. when you look at the statistics of this complex, particularly those relating to palestinian children nearly $26000.00 killed or injured sofa according to save the children. is that in your view defense?

can it be described as defenders? no, no. it's poppy on legitimate substitute pence and energy costs as well as a right. so it depends. that's what on, on those west and lead to providing um sites. it's legitimate stuff to fit. and what the us even said from, from a relative really well on was that have been targeted operations against the how much i this what they decided to do was, and they made a mess visa, then that then you all government the most extreme in the history of israel, by the way, with ministers who have set things that that are on them. but really they said we will make basically gusta on level, but we will change. does have completely we will not let in food. we will not let

in electricity, we will not let in, in, in water. that's what they sent. early on. many, many minutes or so. all could have become a surprise when they saw what happened. you've seen plenty of conflict over the years, but you wrote in february to stand in the ruins of gaza is to be overwhelmed by the object failure of the international community. for, for decades. my work has taken me to many was but i have never be confronted by anything like this. what, what was the vase that confronted you and left such an abiding impression on you? yeah, i'm glad your your, your, your putting that question because there are some very unique features around garza and then there are some that are not that unique. i've also been a relate to the shot to don for that and met the 10s of

thousands of people up for let the object risk of death who ensued don mass of sexual it violence massive amounts of mass that goes and know 8 to speak, golf and i would be beyond belief and minimal people live that kind of a reality in the should done. now, that didn't go so. so what's unique about casa is number one. there is no escape. there is no chunk or full or opponent or let been for the palestinians trapped inside it, densely populated area. and that's the other one. i mean they, they, this is densely populated without escape. sadly, it's a more inc, ends on boardman in this smart place. then in any of the place and

recent memory and then the lack of adequate access. would you met a terrans to assist them? not because of lack of resources. because the, the, the border crossings are controlled with a belligerent that is not allowing it to go in. and then finally, what's that unique is that a general has don't us that high bus in ukraine and then shoot on and, and, and then so many other places what's been countries are, are actually playing a very i get the road here because they have, for that provide the tools or the attack, so we are at, out with the, with the governments that you, we are usually aligned with. but even without that to being aligned with is ready policy. even without that,

you say they could have done much more when it comes to delivering aid to god. so you said, i would say to the countries like the u. k. and us, why haven't they organize their own con, voice into gaza? they come on the international law, how companies rel, is allowed to control. oh, going in, even at the egyptian gods. the border international law says you have to enable enforced release to people who are stopping. if there was a belligerent who was denying it, they could of some pizza and up at the border with the aid and all that good, lied spears riley is to let them in or going across the different border. with that when in, in, in, in cooperation with, with the, with egypt and set, hey eh, is red, are you going to bump this us, you take german con void that is going with fruit and other human to them

relief that we ran. so this red monitor ourselves, of course they wouldn't have done that. so a give you another example of them in, in syria there is an area controlled by, by on deposition groups. some of them all the names of a character. perhaps that would be a most it maybe. yeah, it is slum it. uh groups. uh, one of them which the legions do i tell you that some? yes. back to that area, the convoys go over from turkey, and there is a un security resolution enabling that, and it's monitored by you and monitors. and it, the, the, the, the, the a pro se very well. and it's not like they are asking us thought big the,

the syrian government and the musket spoke for permission. there was a lot of presidents that could have done this according to international role. and they did. and when you asked them about this, what was the response? got to know we have to cooperate with this rug and the israel is the interesting to control every single, the low that goes it across the board, even from, from egypt. so, so, well i'm, so i'll type really, we wait where we're impotent, they admitted that that meant that, i mean that's i bought by it by also by, by that deep. i mean, i mean, not a single. the truck goes from egypt into direction to gus that without its having been monitored by is really pulses in the, in the, your own on the as really side of the board that it's, there we have a you should go and see it said lying to come in the line to come in the

queue to be monitored and, and fled to go back and into the no man's land to be reloaded in local trucks. to go to, to, to the starving children of the of golf site. it's it said it has been a different system from day one. yeah, i'm very glad. where do you see? oh, this is another 6 months, more violence. most suffering. i. i really think them it will. it, we, we, we will not have this is short or right, but it's 6 months. the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week. really. and, and that we sped for the blood, the boss in rough up. but then we may have less

attention and the ruling casa, that needs on how to become live up, or what the people who may still be trucked there. most people are willing to, well, i think want to leave that. that's what they told me when i was there. this the fight this the find the own of these walls has made us believe this is no future for our children. we. we tried to go to new york, we will try to go west. but so i think that would be an extra this. i think that wouldn't be too late to resources for the rebuilding my organization that we should refuge account. so has been charged, but by leaving b plus double cannot sation responsible for that. hosting, you're like, there are $400000.00 plus homes destroyed. what damage on, but oh sion more than that it's, it's, it's beyond belief and that needs to be rebuilt. and 6 months from now,

one people will still be living at best intense. do you think many of the palestinians will get pushed into the sign either being rubers or egypt has actually been haggling over the price for accepting them? do you believe those rules or what i have? what i understand is that the extremist in is really politics and hispanic cabinet . you want to estimate clicked lens, people out of goss on, in to see night from where they would not necessarily have the right to return to a rebuild. gosh, saw that, that may now even be, be colonized by this plus us having the right thing in this run the, that what is happening and there, and hopefully a steaming up of the land from the, from the policy. and so all of this we have to fight where it's, none of this is

a given, one of this can be reversed and i hope. but it's well that needs to have recognition, needs to be living in security. it needs to not be attacked by extremists as that. where on the 7th of october, i hope that is what would come to the census. i hope that the united states u. k. germany and this will on this time that it is out to productive for us, right? what has been done in the last few months? if they, if we want desperate to live in security and peace and in recognition being recognized by the neighbors, that has to be a completely different the product policy problem is front. you were trying to stay involved with the p stokes that lead to the goals level codes between israel and the palestinians, and 1993, a quotes which ultimately failed to bring

a lasting peace settlement. but you have said, but the leaders who are now in key positions don't have the same stature onto the same color, but they were in 1993. the populace on both sides. what can you expect from those populace as you call the? yeah i, i'd say it's a, it's a complete lack of, of a believe the ship. of course an extreme is to happen. it's positions and is run and uh, and then on the palestinian side, they all split and from mos shorted this route on the 7th of october and 10th hundreds of billions. uh, the products in administration is very weak and old. and so what i, what i hope is that the is, is randy or lifting establishment will recognize that their

ways had been counter productive for the future of his ride. i hope that on the pallet standard side, there is a recognition that we need to be united thing and we need to have a new we need to cooperate as palestine as for a future that that would be new, need the ships on both sides and mo, most importantly, we need the united states, we need the european union, and we need the gulf congress, n, n a and egypt and jordan to, to most important neighboring congress to cooperate in, in plus string for a solution. because i think a loan is ready to spell as it is. would it be incapable of an unwilling to find a common church? are you getting any sleep these days? is there any kind of realistic hope that your managing to cling to?

i wonder what the effect is on you of all the suffering that you've seen close up when i i uh, i've seen that this has been one of the west periods of my hope to. yes, i said you were monitoring what good because the needs of growing so exponentially the resources available for us solid there at t. s level adults for gone down and international politics. oh, it's nice relations on not constructive, nor expected, nor efficient. and by the way, not giving up hope. yeah. big like we have to leave with that. thank you so much for big and complex. i appreciate your time. thank you. the

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