to have to say, that's why we listen to every weekend on d w the this week on the 77 percent street debate, we used to be forced to speak english. why we, we can from becky ground of speaking. so here we have seen raised and in, so i healy, what do you do you lose your identity simply by learning another language. when i speak english, i church it's means i have to leave or michel just behind my family to, to, to, to do not just new phones with my father. hello, and welcome back to the 77 percent. this week we are in one of my favorites,

which is in africa, the rest along tons of media. now, did you know that the over a 100 languages spoken here and yet so he remains a national language. in fact, tons of media until recently was only one or 22 countries in africa to have that. as of today, we are asking why is it that we choose these impose languages when we have so many to choose from who better to assets, then some fellow tons of ideas. and i just want to start to be a general question, rachel. and by the way, i know we're having this conversation in english, which is the entire point of this debate. so just by show of has, how many of you speak more than 2 languages? at least to a more languages? that's almost everyone on the panel who speaks at least 3 languages at least really well, at least for ok. so let's start with you. the last man who is a student here in terms of the yeah, he's actually from a, from diana. so

a club. so what languages do you speak? so i speak english now to say you alex s b. i kind of a cheat analysis, this house that you also see costa. so for language id, so how many languages do you speak? 2 languages, which ones are they in english? okay, so is it normal for most ends and he has to be speaking at least more than 2 languages are going to be forward as it is, but i think, yeah, usually the standard 2 is usually the standard, but most often it's one say, okay, so when we think tons of media normally. the 1st thing that comes to mind is just the beauty, but also the use of this. will he be language? can you tell me how he became so prevalent in this country? historically? i think it's due to just the history of so he, of the cost has been the place to bring people together persians or hands of the european so. so healy was the only literally the language abroad, this people together. so you'd have an arrow because the ceramic approaches

exposure who can speak to the offers. so they had to form a language that everyone would understand and that's how so he was mortgages. i some of the phrases. some words is what he makes. a rabbit corps are kind of like it or at least and so, and so over the years kind of builds up that way. so they've been tribal wise, you would have as a mental language, you'd have some phrases in this drive. also mimicking some phrases. and so obviously it's a concerted efforts not just by the politicians, but also the people of times when you have to speak. so he be right. but obviously this has also brought some challenges villamore because, well, many people just speak to you, then not entirely able to communicate with the rest of the blow, right? yes, one of the people defended us. so he from the background, from the original smartphone, people who are like you maybe went to school with idea. i got a need. it's lynn english regardless. okay, so talk to me a little bit about how it is in terms of mia every, let me speak to you because you're a teach at a private school. the language of instruction is ideally supposed to be useful.

healy until you gets to secondary school. am i right? i see that 2 options in the private sector. that is where english is mostly spoken as the medium of communication waiting the government's website is mostly spoken as the medium of communication. so that gives a chance for most of them to keep reading the language and gets used to eat and they grow with each. but when they reach 70, when they get they get to secondary. suppose that is when they sense using one language and that's his english as the meat of a communication, isn't this difficult to though? i mean to have that super high transition support? tell me about the experience. it's really difficult because know when a child is speaking my, the mother language associated and then there you, you, you being to use another language english. it's really hard for students with with 2 languages. yeah. so it's really has, right. so i'd like to ask the question to someone who has a ph. d, or is doing a pc is like really? yeah, it's an adult, something we have language is honestly along with the locals,

along with the swahili language and the kinds of language. and do we have lots of lend me a lot of language as much as much as we can. but when it comes to the language of instruction, for my opinion, i think we should instruct. there will do. she was ditch a student who you're using the language which they know and before my side doesn't . yeah. i think it's a bit you just right. why just way to because it's knowing if the student loan to the teacher is not after just one second said available. so ditching using and the kind of language it's miss uses. pop, those who lose a lot of energy and i'm telling you. so we looked up to the dual phase, given to just been, not most of the of, you know, coming to because you're raising your hands there. also, like i said, over a 100 languages spoken in this country. so what's the place of those quote unquote, by the time actually that they mother things. uh, basically how do you use the tribes. okay. and then for the site it happens to be

the mainland with us just looking into expensive. and for that reason each unites us brings us to give us some settings, and that is a piece white spoken in in this country. yeah, i also wanted to speak about the shipment from the time able to shipping. that isn't usually there's some, had she during the 1st 2 years because the kids or the people has to try to transform. he will have so language, but it must be a so that they can pop up with the education. and, oh, that's okay. but after sub 2 years, they usually are on the same level because the set speaking i'm at even control themselves in education vision on the english language. okay. maria, i work in publishing. so we see a lot of people who are non degree days. so you have someone who's graduated from college who really reads per year and, and this is almost always, that should be due to the fact that they only have to learn english in um, in, in seconds. or they only have had to learn, so he can make only primary and then they have to abandon it. so by the way,

before we get too far, i just want to tell our audience that there's been numerous studies that have been done. we support the fact that early childhood learning is actually better if done in a medium of instruction that the child understands. let me hear from you as most of these on countries and these people are trying to get into that activity based on the why that's language become very so you know that going for. so that interaction, we mean 1st, lynn extra language, i say english language size, if someone came for me being that idea now. so that's what the reason is, but as a matter of fact, as with any doctors. ok, sure. so during that, this is a really interesting point. she's brought up, which is where the hierarchy of language is, right? so he said that when it comes to business at home, speaking to your people help on a pallet you're used this way. but when it comes to business, english is the preferred language. why? and so he's also an official language. in most cases we a bundle know a language before he when switching for job searching for the,

for the opportunities, you must know english. you also speak. so he has such a national language, but it's does it actually help you to move to the higher levels when he was searching for different opportunities and the sway as my m. c. d a, when we moved from the frame i live a, we do a bundle in our long. okay, so we're talking about abandoning the language and yes, the people who i think top dollar to learn the language. lillian, here is from zimbabwe and she's doing how must of him. so he, so what got you thinking? this is the language i want to use, even as the terms of me as themselves, say, perhaps it's not the best language should be learning at the moment. well say for me uh, i saw that you slight healey eh, is getting to choose from my own country. let me just say that i'm the mother. so this is this like a tiny this. wow. okay,

congratulations. yeah. so i assumed that this language is going to give me explain to me for like now but was, was setting to land. it's use this to live especially to this is being forced to them to. so he is once dealing with the suspending, assessing that, well, they didn't tell you needs the chinese, you're teaching the gym as you have teaching. well, they go for those language as well. so you don't have anyone who's speaking now which say just to, to go for keith, why he left is also a 15 language up. that's an interesting what you've used, forced to learn. so he did you think that we are hosting of the africans to use the national, the native languages, the, the african languages. so healy has always been new, will actually go, you know, it's links people together. i think what's happening right now, even with the savings of, of them, do you know me language is a you and in the see is that we understand that it links people has more than

a language as a culture. so being african people relate to so the healey speakers because you relate to the culture in itself. well, just the language. yeah. so, but mario, we really being honest with ourselves. yeah. if i'm just be calling us to be as a can kind of really want to make fun of tons of me is because of your proficiency of, of what you leave. i mean of english. we internalize the self hate so that we judge people based on their ability to just be a board language. let me have some thoughts on the floor, right? because oh yeah, go ahead. what is the say uh in san antonio, when you speak english, its when people look at you like you're intelligent and on a sick. so he oh, when you can't speak english, there was look at you a jingle. how isn't thinking english fully shuffle is like your for because you don't know english. so it's, it's, it's really, i don't really get it. i was these, we say, speaking english as, as being intelligence. well, why it's, it's the language everybody can just you then can you come in any language?

it can be whatever it doesn't, doesn't really matter. yeah. yeah. really. yeah, it wasn't just to, to research on the highlight, your language actually was mobile kind of the change. we actually have, right, or just that is we have english and then we have showing that they haven't did that day. so now like english is being until white because it's the media. i'm a foundation bank for the whole country. we don't have like additional language which is our own downwards. we only use english assembly, you know, communication safe. you missing someone from another ethnic group and you said you can speak english to cancel news as well. yeah. cancel anything. so we actually have that to pay like this sounds good, but give me a 2nd to just come to evelyn. i read that teaches a sometimes horrible to students who don't speak. so he who employs the and shame as a tool to try and encourage them to learn is this true to you? see what happens is, as my friend saves you,

that's english is being termed as they say, the news of intelligence you see and not speaking english, you seem like you, you have and useful. okay? and that is, that becomes a very big for me in this kind of just moving as okay. and my advice to the government, they think since they decided to have these 2 sections that we have, they have the schools and private schools. i think we should also continue events on the simpler level because that will give an option to of a to set it with the site, the language to keep on using it. and perhaps that will do it better. yeah. for i shall i still you really shaking your head when i asked about this shame question. uh oh good. did you have an experience in secondary i remember when what school there was a room to speak english. and if you don't speak english flo, the day, the punishments and everything. so normal punishment like, you know, the local, you know, 650 a couple of stick to get a couple of 6, you know,

punishments in there. so we had really to, to call using english, try not to speak. so he was at or, wow, well, day from morning to evening. maybe later on in the morning and there the dummy free. that's why he was sick. so he had it all. yeah. but i mean, this must not be good psychologically for anyone who's trying to learn the language . right. let me hear from you. see, we used to be forced to speak english. yeah. of why we we can from becky ground of speaking. so here we have seen raised and in, so i healy, so you reach in secondary school and find yourself that you have to speak. you will really need to speak english as your best language. so we're getting confusion at the end of the day. you know, because the teachers, they, they, they, they, they the, the, the school and they haven't explain why what, what are the importance of

a student to speak these uh english. but the vehicle seeing you at the end of the day, you have to speak english for monday to do it evening. then you find yourself, you're hungry. you are here and you're ending up hating this thing. school english. so i really like what you said about it. even makes you, you know, sort of don't want to learn english into a certain degree. yeah. but when we draw so i can be, as you say, or when we don't see it as valuable, what do we lose as a society? when you're doing seeing swahili or if you don't write in swahili, what do we lose? of the culture, lose our stories growing up. we as you know, tons onions historically. we being starters have been passed down to us by your oral traditions or like we have grandfather's grandmother sending us stories and so he but then you have someone who now has to abandon home to go to school where they're no longer being told those stories are he no longer reading it is really

the no longer right jesus or he you, you, you lose your identity. i was actually think all these discussions going on. there's a sort of like a culture erasure that's happening where people forget who they are. so you, you find yourself unable, i'm actually the victim of that unable to, to relate and connect to your own language. so that loss of identity comes across. as you recall, it sophisticated because you learn english, you able to communicate internationally, but really is a loss of self and in the identity of who you as a person. and really should say to a very big thing because uh, someone said yeah, when them most students who are not really assessing very good because of the area and then we don't get a lot of people. that's a professional in many areas like in industries i, you know, in the movie and us and everything. so we were, you find that we have to get another people to come over to do our stories,

to rachel books, you know, to make our film to do everything for us this way. she said, we are losing our own stories like who are raising so if you can speak for yourself and because you don't have a long which is on. so let me hear from you mean the like for the a see the stage with me leaving your language of friends and when someone makes use as you ideas, when they see that they can, i think we may to court your things retain late right now for example, the bullet, the, you know, mary, the diary yes, yes. to do that. and the bearing of the dates, those are the 2 courts or things which i know regional but a lot of the things which were they were doing big things like it for us. okay. we don't to anything about that, but do you, do you lose your identity as simply by learning another language or is it because because i mean, i speak multiple languages, right? i have not stuck to being equally or kenya and or an african. well,

the problem is that when you live along which, you know, sites, it's like the people who the language like with the problem comes. so when i speak english, i try to just like an english person, you know, 18, they can visit. this means i have to leave all my coaches behind and it's like that once i'm landing up, all right, so let me ask last month when, when you started learning, what can you do find yourself making decisions that were different from say, perhaps if you're speaking a lot less by the way, when you dream, what language do you dreaming? i think that seems right now and even speaking that kind of the house side kind of looks like. mm hm. yeah. let me, i story and i have because when i'm looking at the 1st industrial revolution, everybody using the digital space as what he is saying, he will get presented. but not enough, right?

are we losing out on perhaps making leap and bones that's active because we just look speaking the language is uh, we need to localize the tools nice localize the content so that they can be accessing swahili language. i mean this way we can be able to save a lot of wage and to make sure that the next generation comes in plain language. i would say that's remaining isaac bottles picking our local language. we just make technology for us because the technology, the money market for sticking a movie at the patient, they're using it with the site and dozen yards. alliston that along with the slain and the tools i made maybe for these this bypass they, we just transformed those technologies meets our language the months. so the fact that that comes for me from i've been active language, we have been forced to add that to technology rather than take longer. this one that i totally get 2 points can be 200 millions because of so

a healy on the continents. surely it should be adopted. yeah, i a so, so i totally get your point. so back to you creating in your mother's tongue. it's like you, you, how does that compare to when you perhaps seeing right in india, she's an artist by the way, as far as her. so it's really easy when you, when you seem, or when you producing or when you're acting in your mother language. because you're being yourself, you're, you're being uh, you're living under your own scan messing now. so find out what i mean by you, and we're not going to when i talk with you to him, we by and cannot go to the volume, but he will fly before i can give. is that a focus or heating? so if you'll give me your name, but because reading is still fun, you that he's the money, it is the own. enjoy the music, like, you know, people can get on the so many i know for the oh that's i'm castillo. what? uh, you're the one you, i'm good yourself. i don't know like hey, how are you gonna test is or what do you need to sign you up and we buy, you can we use that you to an access or are seeing now you find it?

wow. raffle ok, i like that. so we need to the piece of the language just because it helps us tell us stories one point going and a big by using the good thing for us. yeah, that's what got those the slow you think we're not free as a people because we speak these lower languages know really about the survey you bring to the for, for the device. so i'm going to be using english. i'm looking for the most it to me i can do much, elizabeth fairly well, you know, look as a body slot, a early to your to, to do not get new phones. the law you, if i'm getting the one that will go no, are you how body up with you when you were love? you change it is like if you fight on so could you not to your fun you phones or bother have bought chevy from the user? the know where's the to a, marty for you, for the 12 on your phone? i have got the model of your to example. could you look it up like when i'm ready

for the us? i have to walk tomatti. what was about we have to get as possible you can use the jello. yeah. well you have to but you modify like in thinking about it that people have these. so why do you when you have both c o one you'll get low. wonderful. just wasn't working what your rough, why didn't well physics, what do one of them? i just want to do what i want to for force because i can get a little bit and use this. what do you what you don't have to do? did you go, did you lose hope you're doing? like watching the eclipse done to rustle up underneath? there must be multiple drugs i using the younger couple of them. i really, really loved the passion that you're speaking here about. but i think we need some practical steps. yeah, i think, you know, they do well with all the speaking of them. other times perhaps a lingua franca, which is an african language and then english. but that's not the reality today. so how do we shift this thinking,

how do we get more people interested in applicant language? is what people speaking them writing and then seeing them doing debates in them. let's have some ideas. so i think uh, on my side i'll do more localized things. uh, do you to tools and did you get to contents into our language into so he and this is the very best way to present this language. it is the very best way for people to live in the digital spaces. okay. you had another point for me, which will be our side calling the language we have at the best and whatever we are doing as me then say that we should emphasize using all along. so from there, when we transform them that on, we move them. valerie, do natalie to not track visions with the concepts? so typically we are doing, we do it through the phase of our okay. i like that somebody does. yeah. let's hear from you. other bye for the one i see a honda comes, what are you thinking of as a he will not only lose he's a he but you also losing out and that's his language is for now we have

a native language is he does any of that dying for example, come the language lots, most of us know the kind of language it is from the eastern bunch of people in africa, the 1st language to be spoken and he so he does spoken by 15 countries. and not only that you sent africa, but also in the western africa and the central africa, the some countries speaking. so he and we have to, for once the, he has a level that all of the african countries have to speak so that he is defies to them which to be spoken. he ate africa, south africa, yet teaching. so healy is, well yeah. they recently adopted the to the one let me hear from you final final thoughts. how do we preserve this language? these language is okay. so i think these 3 ok, governments discussion constituents and technological conference that should work together. government should make the varieties in making us what healy as the main language, but also access of opportunity to present it is. but also the technology company that should have the different access in producing the device or products like apps that you'd have. also put the as late as a pot of lending and those up, well,

so we have a lot of, you know, rates as we have another free created this one it does on they have a d s o, maybe they have design sorted, but we have to preserve those with within those ideas because you have to be in english, even the inefficient yelling. so the definition challenge dining is still going to have a little bit, but the don't know how to use that to manage it. so the government to the kitchen go solution integral you composition up to get. i'm from watching oscar longer to let me get the last 2 points. these one from you and marian will finish with you agree that a good from lots of, of healing. let us draw up the ideas that when you speak english, you'd be looking like to intelligence and wells and everything. let us send that out to you. so i really do hope i like you. so i you to connect to speak to, to us why healey noah africa. let's as use it to welcome be sure, what's the speech our children that the, the child a community so that we can promote it more you swahili recordings. you thank you so

ok. so maria, somebody's in the, in addition to everything, as those just said, i think another thing we need to do is also change online. sit on watch you. yes, you would be a quote unquote commercial because i think that's when the world, if you give the world permission to show you that you're not cortical commercial, the world will show you that if we are adamant to make contents, to create books to, to present our stories in the language that preserves who we are as a people, the world who make room for that. we just need to do it for us. so all of us have the collective responsibility to promote that language is that still the most realistic to us? and also we have the we, we, the world who make room for that if we do it, i like that. and i think that's a great place to wrap this debate. we started with the simple question, how do we change this narrative? i think you've given us a really good answer because preserving language is,

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