the now understand can have a think like the right to present do you have any news on instagram and follow up this week on the 77 percent street debate. we used to be forced to speak english. why we we can from becky ground of speaking. so here we have seen grace and imply healey. so do you, do you lose? your identity is simply by learning another language. when i speak english church making, which means i have to leave just behind my family to, to, to, to do not get new phones with my father. hello,

and welcome back to the 77 percent. this week we are in one of my favorites, such as in africa, there is the long times in the now did you know that the over a 100 languages spoken here and yet so he remains a national language. in fact, tons of media until recently was only one or 22 countries in africa to have that. as of today, we are asking why is it that we choose these impose languages when we have so many to choose from who better to assets, then some fellow tons of ideas. and i just want to start with a general question, rachel. and by the way, i know we're having this conversation in english, which is the entire point of this debate. so just by show of has, how many of you speak more than 2 languages? at least to a more languages? that's almost everyone on the panel who speaks of these 3 languages, at least really well, at least for ok. so let's start with you. the last man who is

a student here in terms of the yeah, he's actually from a, from diana. so a club. so what languages do you speak? so i speak english now to say you alex s b. i kind of a cheat analysis, this house that you also see costa. so for language id, so how many languages do you speak? 2 languages, which ones are they in english? okay, so is it normal for most times and he has to be speaking at least more than 2 languages are going to be forward as it is, but i think, yeah, usually the standard 2 is usually the standard, but most often it's one say, okay, so when we think tons of media normally. the 1st thing that comes to mind is just the beauty, but also the use of this. will he be language? can you tell me how he became so prevalent in this country? historically? i think it's due to just the history of so he, of the course has been the place to bring people together persians or hands of the european so. so healy was the only literally the language abroad,

these people together. so you'd have an arrow because the ceramic approaches exposure who can speak to the offers. so they had to form a language that everyone would understand and that's how so he was mortgages. i some of the phrases, some words is what he me like. i read before are kind of like it or at least and so, and so over the years kind of builds up that way. so they've been tribal wise, you would have as a bunch of language, you'd have some phrases in this drive. also mimicking some phrases and so obviously it's a concerted efforts not just by the politicians, but also the people of times when you have to speak. so he be right. but obviously this has also brought some challenges for them on because, well, many people just speak to you, then not entirely able to communicate with the rest of the blow, right? yes, one of the people defended us. so he from the background, from the original smartphone, people who are like you maybe went to school with idea i got to need it's lynn english regardless. okay, so talk to me

a little bit about how it is in terms of mia every, let me speak to you because you're a teach at a private school. the language of instruction is ideally supposed to be useful. healy until you gets to secondary school. am i right? i see that 2 options in the private sector. that is where english is mostly spoken as the medium of communication, waiting. the governments which i have is mostly spoken as the medium of communication. so that gives a chance for most events, keep reading the language and gets used to eat and the groves, but when they reach 70, when they get they get to secondary. suppose that is when they sense using one language and that's his english as the meat of a communication isn't this difficult though? i mean to have that super high transition support. tell me about the experience. it's really difficult because know when a child is speaking, my, the, my, the language is so human and then there you, you, you being to use another language in english. it's really hard for students to pop up with 2 languages. yeah. so it's really has, right. so i'd like to ask the question to someone who has a ph. d, or is doing

a pc? is what healey? yeah, it's me don't sound. we have language is honestly, along with your locals, along with the swahili language and the kinds of language. and do we have lots of lend me a lot of language as much as much as we can. but when it comes to the language of instruction, for my opinion, i think we should instruct. there will do. she was ditch a student who you're using the language which they know and before my side doesn't . yeah. i think it's a bit just white white sway to because it's known if the student loan to the teacher is not up to just one second sir, available. so ditching using and the kind of language it's me is uses pop, those who lose a lot of energy and i'm telling you. so we looked up to the do the phase given to just been not most of the, just of the of you know, coming to because you're raising your hand. they also, like i said, over a 100 languages spoken in this country. so what's the place of those quote unquote,

by the time actually that they mother things. uh, basically how do you use the tribes. okay. and they have foot, so usually happens to be the mainland with beth is looking in wisconsin. and for that, please let me 2 nights. this brings us to give us some settings and that is a to these white spoken in, in this country. yeah, i also wanted to speak about this and see shipment from the time able to shipping. that isn't usually there's some, had she during the 1st 3 years because the kids or the people has to try to transform. he will have so language, but it must be a so that they can pop up with the education. and, oh, that's okay. but the sub to years, they usually are on the same level because the set speaking on at even control. and so they need to catch and vision on the english language. okay, maria, i work in publishing. so we see a lot of people who are non degree days. so you have someone who's graduated from college who really reads per year. and, and this is almost always, that should be due to the fact that they only have to learn english in um, in,

in secondary or they only have had to learn. so he can make only primary and then they have to abandon it. so by the way, before we get to fly, i just want to tell our audience that there's been numerous studies that have been done. we support the fact that early childhood learning is actually better if done in a medium of instruction that the child understands. let me hear from you as most of these on countries and these people are trying to get into that activity based on the why that language would come very so you know that going for. so that means that action, we mean 1st linux, the language. i say english language says if someone came for me being that idea now, so that's what the reason is, but as a matter of fact, as with any doctors. ok, sure. so during that, this is a really interesting point. she's brought up, which is where the hierarchy of language is, right. so he said that when it comes to business at home, speaking to your people, help on a pallet you use this way. but when it comes to business, english is the preferred language. why? and so he's also an official language, in most cases we a bundle know

a language. so he, when switching for job searching for the, for the opportunities, you must know english. you also speak. so he has such a national language, but it's does it actually help you to move to the higher levels when he was searching for different opportunities and the sway as my m. c. d a, when we moved from the frame, i live a, we do a bundle, you know, a long. okay, so we're talking about abandoning the language and yes, the people who i think top dollar to learn the language. lillian, here is from zimbabwe and she's doing how must of him. so he, so what got you thinking? this is a language i want to use even other times and he has himself say hello. perhaps it's not the best language should be learning at the moment. well say for me uh, i saw that you say you eh, it's getting to choose from my own country. let me just say that i'm the

solicit. these like a tiny bit as well. okay, congratulations. yeah. so i assume that this language is going to give me explain to me for like now but was, was setting to then it's use this to me specially to this is being forced to them to. so he is once dealing with the suspending, assessing that, well, they didn't tell you needs the chinese, you're teaching the gym as you have teaching. well, they go for those language as well. so you don't have anyone who's speaking now which say just to go for keith, why he left is also a 15 language up. that's an interesting what you've used, forced to learn. so he did you think that we are hosting of the africans to use the national, the native languages, the, the african languages. so healy has always been new. will africa, you know, it's links people together. i think what's happening right now, even with the savings of them, the language is

a you and in the ac is that we understand that it links people has more than a language as a culture. so being african people relate to. so the healey speakers because you relate to the culture in itself. well, just the language. yeah. so, but mario, we really being honest with ourselves. yeah. if i'm just the corners to be, as i can kind of really want to make fun of tons of me is because of your proficiency of, of what you leave. i mean of english, we internalize the self hate so that we judge people based on their ability to just be a board language. let me have some thoughts on the floor. right. because, oh yeah, yeah, go ahead. i wanted to say uh in since then. yeah. when do you speak english? when people look at you like, why intelligence and on a sick so he oh, when you can speak english, there was look at you a jingle. how is it doing an english fully show for this make your for, cuz you don't know english. so it's, it's, it's really, i don't really get it out because they, uh, we take speaking english as,

as being intelligence. well, why is the language everybody can just you then? can you come in any language and can be what it doesn't? doesn't really matter. yeah. yeah, really. yeah, it was a just to, to research on the highlight your language actually, but we kind of to change. we actually have writers just that is we have english and then we have showing that they haven't did banding. so now they english is inc until white because it's the media. i'm a foundation bank for the whole country. we don't have like additional language, which is our own damage. we only use english assembly, you know, communication. so if you're missing someone from another ethnic group and you said you can speak english to cancel news as well. yeah. transforming anything. so we actually have such pay like this, but give me a 2nd to just come to evelyn. i read that teaches a sometimes horrible to students who don't speak. so he who employs c a and shame as a tool to try and encourage them to learn. is this true to you?

see what happens is, as my friend said, that's english is being termed as they say, the means of intelligence. you see and not speaking english, you seem like you, you're, i'm useful. okay. and that is, that becomes a very big problem. this kind of just moving us. okay. and my advice to the government, they think since they decided to have these 2 sections that we have, they have the schools and private schools. i think we should also continue events on the similar level. because that will give an option to of a tutoring. started with the site, the language to keep on using it and perhaps they will do it better. yeah. for i saw i saw you really shaking your head when i asked about this shame question. oh good. did you have an experience in secondary, i remember winwood school. there was a rule to speak english and this we don't speak english for the day. the punishments and everything. so no more punishment. like, you know, the more calls,

you know, 650 a couple of speak to get a couple of 6, you know punishments in there. so we had really to, to call using english. try not to speak with you at all. wow. well, day from wanting to evening, maybe later on in the the waning and the the don't main street. that's why he was sick. so he a little. yeah. uh, but i mean, this must not be good psychologically for anyone who's trying to learn the language . right. let me hear from you see, we used to be forced to speak english. yeah. of why we we can from becky ground of speaking. so here we have seen raised and in, so i healy, so you reach and secondary school and find yourself that you have to speak. you'll really need to speak english as your best language. so we're getting confusion at the end of the day. you know, because the teachers, they, they, they, they, they the, the, the school they haven't explain why, what,

what are the importance of a student to speak these uh english. but they are forcing you at the end of the day, you have to speak a english for monday to do it evening. then you find yourself, you are hungry, you are here and you are ending up hating these things school english. so i really like what you said about it even makes you, you know, sort of don't want to learn english and it to a certain degree. yeah. but when we draw, so i can be, as you say, or when we don't see it as valuable, what do we lose as a society? when you don't seeing swahili or if you don't write in swahili, what do we lose? of the culture. we lose our stories, you're growing up. we as you know, tons onions. historically we being started have been passed down to us by your oral traditions, or like we have grandfather's grandmother sending us stories. and so he but then

you have someone who now has to abandon home to go to school where they're no longer being told go stories. these are he then no longer reading it is really the no longer right jesus or he, you, you, you lose your identity. i was actually think all these discussions going on. there's a sort of like a cultural erasure that's happening where people forget who they are. so you, you find yourself unable, i'm actually a victim of that unable to, to relate and connect with your own language. so that loss of identity comes across as you're recalling so 50 gated because you learn english, you able to communicate internationally, but really is a loss of self and in the identity of who you as a person and really should say to really be seen cause. so someone said here when you to them most students who are not really testing very good because of the area and then we don't get a lot of people that sell professional in many areas like in industries i,

you know, in the movie and us and everything so we were, you find that we have to get another people to come over to do our stories to rachel books, you know, to make a film to do everything for us. this way she sees we are losing our own stories like who were raised on. so if you can speak for yourself and because you don't have a lot which is on, so let me hear from you mean the like what they're saying to me leaving your language assigned and let me someone makes you thinking, i think it would you like me to court your things came late right now. for example, the bullet, the, you know, mary diary. yes, he has to do that. and the bearing of the dates, those are the 2 courts or things which i know right now. but a lot of the things that we're doing big things like instructors, okay. we don't to anything. but do you, do you lose your identity as simply by learning another language or is it because

because i mean i speak multiple languages, right? i have not stopped being i q queen or kenya and or an african. well, the problem is that when you live along which, you know, sites, it's like the people who the language like when the problem comes. so when i speak english, i say to just like an english person, you know, 18 they can use, especially this means i have to leave all my cultures behind and it's like the ones i am learning about. right? so let me ask last month when, when he started learning, what can you do find yourself making decisions that were different from say, perhaps if you're speaking a lot, by the way, when you dream, what language do you dream? and i think that seems right now and even speaking that kind of how his side kind of looks like. mm hm. yeah. let me ask the rena here because when i'm looking at the 1st industrial

revolution, everybody's in the digital space as what he is fairly well represented. but not enough, right? are we losing out on perhaps making leap and bones that's active because we just love speaking the language is uh, we need to localize the tools. we need to localize the content so that they can be accessible swahili language. i mean this way we can be able to save a lot of wage and to make sure that the next generation stands in plain language. i would say that's remaining isaac bottles picking our local language. we just make technology for us because they normally get the money market for sticking a movie at the future, interiors with the site and dozen yards alice thunder along with and so even in the, towards mid, maybe for these, this bypass they would, yes. transform those technologies for me all along week 2 months. so the fact that that comes for me from as an active language,

we have being forced to add that to technology rather than take longer this one baptist, i totally get your point and be $200.00 millions because of so healy on the continents . surely it should be adopted. yeah, i a so, so i totally get you points. um, so back to you creating in your mother's tongue. it's like you, you how does that compare to when you perhaps seeing right in india, she's an octave. spite of it's for sure. so it's really easy when you, when you seem, or when you producing or when you're acting in your model number because of being yourself, you know, you would be, you're living and then you're on scan nothing in there because you still find out what i mean. and we by you, and we're not going to win a talk with you, you see him we by and cannot go to the people fly before i can give. is that a focus or heating? so the name of because reading is still fun. you that he's the money, it is the own. enjoy the music, like, you know, people can go to the so many i know for the oh that's i'm castillo, what you're the one you them good. you can still find, i don't know like

a how you met test is only 20 likely to sign a few of them. we buy you can we use that you to an access or are seeing now you find out why raffle. ok. i like that. so we need to the piece of the language is because it helps us tell us stories one point going and a big by using the good thing for the. yeah. is that so that those the so slow you think we're not free as a people because we speak these lower languages know i'm a realtor survey, you can see, but what will be for what is the advice so i'm looking for using english. i'm looking for the boston to me. i can do much, elizabeth fairly well, you know, look as a body slot, a early me to go to the do not get new phones the my you, if i just wonder what will go? no. are you how body up with you when you were love, you can get as much as you fight on. so could you not to the fun you phones or bother have bought chevy from the use of the words to a mighty for you,

for the follow variable. now you've got the model of your to was able to just look it up like when i'm ready for the so that's i have to watch the mighty what was about we, i think it is possible that you could use a jello. yeah, well you have to talk to modify, like in thinking about that is obviously. so why do you when you have both c o one, you'll go, oh, wonderful. just wasn't working. what your rough. why didn't well physics? what do one with them? i just want to do what i want to for force because the is a can do is a little bit and use this. what do you, what you don't, those are the tilted. you go to english. hope you're doing like watching the eclipse done to rest. so finding it there must be multiple drugs i using the younger couple of them. i really, really loved the passion that you're speaking here about. but i think we need some practical steps. yeah, i think, you know, they do well with all the speaking of them. other times, perhaps a lingua franca,

which is an applicant language and then english, but that's not the reality today. so how do we shift this thinking? how do we get more people interested in applicant language? is what people speaking them writing and then seeing them doing debates in them. let's have some ideas. so i think uh, on my side i'll do more localized things. uh, do you to tools and did you get to contents into our language into so he and this is the very best way to present this language. it is the very best way for people to live in the digital spaces. okay. you had another point for me, which will be our side calling the language we have at the best and whatever we are doing as me then said that we should emphasize using all along. so from there, when we transform them that on, we move them. valerie, do natalie to not chat visions with the counselors? so typically we are doing we do it through the face of our okay. i like that somebody does. yeah. let's hear from you. other bye for the one i see a honda comes, what are you talking about?

so he will not only lose he's a he but you also losing out and that's his language is for now we have a native language. is he a, does any of that dying, for example, come the language. lots, most of us know the kind of language it is from the eastern bunch of people in africa, the 1st language to be spoken. and he, so he does spoken by 15 countries, and not only that you sent africa, but also in the western africa and the central africa, the some country speaking. so he and we have to for once the, he at the level that all of the african countries have to speak. so he is defies to them which to be spoken. he ate africa, south africa, yet teaching. so healy is, well yeah. they recently adopted the to the one let me hear from you final final thoughts. how do we preserve this language? new language is okay. so i think these 3 organs, governments, discussion constituents in particular, you conference that should work together. government should make the varieties in making us what healy as the main language, but also accessibility to pretend it is. but also the technology company that should have the different access in producing the device or products like apps that

you'd have. also put the as late as a pot of many windows up well, so we have lots of, you know, rates as we have lots of free created this when it does on it. they have a d s o, maybe they have design sorted, but we have to preserve those with within those ideas because you have to be in english, even the inefficient challenge. and so the definition challenge they named is still going to move it, but they don't know how to use that man. just sort of got them into the kitchen, go solution integral you composition up to get. i'm from watching oscar longer to let me get the last 2 points. these one from you and marian will finish with you. agree that the good from lots of, of healing. let us draw up the ideas that when you speak english, you'd be looking like 2 intelligence and wealth and everything. let us send that out to you. so i really like you. so i you to connect to speak to, to us, why healey noah africa let's,

let's use it to be sure what the speech of what children that the, the child, what community so that we can promote it more you swahili recording. sure, thank you so ok. so maria, somebody's in the, in addition to everything, as those just said, i think another thing we need to do is also change online. sit on watch you. yes, you would be a quote unquote commercial because i think that's when the world, if you give the world permission to show you that you're not cortical commercial, the world will show you that if we are adamant to make contents, to create books to, to present our stories in the language that preserves who we are as a people, the world who make room for that. we just need to do it for us. so all of us have the collective responsibility to promote the language is that still the most religious to us? and also we have the we, we, the world who make room for that. if we do it, i like that. and i think that's a great place to wrap this debate. we started with the simple question,

how do we change this narrative? i think you've given us a really good answer because preserving language is, is preserving our selves who we are as ask because i sent any son says i'm the the

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