issac wold waiting offer is available worldwide for every language level. reading gem and has been sent to me to go the this week on the 77 percent street debate we chose to drink. but in the entire while, nobody chooses to become an alcoholic being way for me. we are good and what are you looking for you? what was the drum drunk? what do you think needs to be done more by us as a community by governments and other stakeholders? the judge? how are you? we have jack eh, alcohol each. so tell them i on that. so please, please, please. she just people that don't stick it in that trust you the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent debate this week. we are in the wrong

a in central can, you know, according to the national statistics, one in every 8th kenya is confused. alcohol, not a very big number, but when you consider the 42 percent of those who drink a coincidence to be alcoholics, then question mark stuck to arise. well wishing central kendall one of the most effective regions to try and find out why and what society can do to address this. and i want to begin with maria, do you mind sharing what you just need through addiction and recovery has been i feel like i've struggled with alcohol addiction for 13 years low since my 1st drink . basically, i haven't been able to drink nicely or properly as most people would say, but at what point did you realize that, hey, this is beyond just the usual drink over the weekend? it's beyond the dependency. it's something else i used to tell myself, i did not have a drinking problem. honestly, i never, i would call myself and alcoholic just for laughs, just for guides, but interest i really did have a drinking problem. i wouldn't wake up and drink,

but i would get a whole bottle excessive in 50 a male. i'm zynga, and finish it all by myself in my room. i would maybe go with friends, they would drink nice and responsibly, but i would always drink to blackout. yeah, yeah. do you remember what time at what point you felt like you need to drink in excess of probably when my father died honestly, all my life. i think my father struggled to that dixon over the alcohol, basically. and it was never, it was an open secret. you know, his family never really spoke about it. he never spoke to us about it. but we could all see that he's struggling with it. i think he went through, we have 3 times. yeah. i think when he died i felt, oh, okay, uncle whole took him, let me so alcohol whose boss, you know it's a huge mistake and we'll come back to to that in a short while. but true. we're talking about recovery and you're literally just these into your recovery journey. 5050. how many days?

56000 bucks relations. how are you feeling right now? i feel so good. it is. i feel so good because i look forward to using something i've struggled with for like over i think, 15 years plus. yeah. and it's not the normal thinking like i have a drink on friday and that's it for the weekend. you know, it's daily drinking from morning to evening and that certain monday, sunday, so i can see it like for now i am so happy i gotta wake up so that i know what is happening here. i'm not drunk solely any. i'm so glad that you and so rather i liked that and for you again, what was the point? that's which you felt. all right, this is it's, i need to turn my life around or something is not going to work out in the end. i have a son and i have not really been a part of his life due to the disease. now down call is if i'm not to be not part of his life for like the longest. i'm new spending 11 this year and it took me i'm

so much i'm glad i feel disappointed in blood. it took me almost 11 years for me to come out of it. but i'm so glad to know i couldn't do that for my son. you know, to jump the gun to anything, but i know i know you had said that you had tried recovery before and you kind of slipped and fell back into it. are you hopeful that this time it will be different? oh yes. um they are very helpful because this time zone may have power of lifted sleeves. so i'm so ready for the john. yeah, yeah. okay. so on i want to introduce you because you'll also a recovering addict. but beyond that, you also have a community based organization working very, very closely with communities here who are struggling with alcoholism. so based on what you've had and your own personal experience, how wide spread is a problem of alcohol abuse and addiction and can you, in fact, you should be to get a national disaster. because actually we are losing a lot of people typical who lives in one of them all about drugs and other diseases put together,

addiction is assume best to disease and that is the reason why we not. we can say that we have this, this, this, but this picks right up some of the $300.00 plus signs. because like, uh in the villages, what they do when the person dies for my call is and nobody talks about it, it took them to them. what's already up to that event that time smell, pm? no, we don't know the cause of death of things that must have been to come to them. what time is it just buried? so we don't really know how many people we are losing. you know, we income and never, we lost more than 2020 people. and now we cannot say that it's just that young people who are drinking because the, the ej ej ej. a group that we bought, it is between 59 and 74. so you can see now the, it's not, not just the tend to just just just the use, but even if those people. yeah. so it is a big problem. they've got to close the book. we cannot say it's this group of people to reach the point. it's anybody can, can, you know, uh, kind of get dropped into the, into the addiction what they need. so it's, it's, it's really deep and it's really duck. i like that. we've established that these,

obviously a problem. and i think these a double problem here because the list sits brew question has been brought up the bus the dies alcohol. but john, i wanted to come to you because you are usually the and you decided that your organization, jo jen got to meet initiative, which is like a full build the community of the society initiative to tackle this problem. why was it so important for you? it was very important to me because of my, my grand father, i used to drink, he was a deal dated drinking officer. and then there was the c 90 of that. he was saying he's 21 is a flat. and the then leading to that has to penny and then he died leaving he's a kid in the struggling and even to date the state of struggling. so i felt if someone had least if someone have started fighting again, is that many, maybe my grandfather would not have died and then uh,

talking to women payments because um, most of our festa to and then we try to use, we do come seem to judge these, these, my tell d z medical needs him and my child left on maybe stopped. he's a education, it just because of alcohol is him. so i feel to know these, these time for us to raise them. but on, before we proceed, nobody ever take the 1st drink thinking that they're going to end up into alcoholism. so what leads one into that sort of spirals such that you're no longer have control. it's not the one most thing. and not always tell people we chose to drink, but in the entire while, nobody to this to become an alcoholic. and so we go through the face, they just did come house place. they just, they experimenter where you experimenting the social, which is to look at because they are functional and then instrumental is when you stop getting blackouts, then we have to have be trusted. i'd be happy just that just when now you, you even tried to come out,

you cannot come because i already did the brand new subject that the body is addicted to the drug. actually it's not you with making the choice. it's not you abusing that drug. it's not a drug abusing, you'll see that schedule stage, lab i, it's all about the last as you, most of your job is best selling your things and then you lose yourself or have self esteem. and it leads no disappointment for some of those have to be coming. so say do this plus having to say the ideas shown. yes. um and you said that you lost quite a number of people in your family. and because because of alcohol use in my family, we have that problem. we brought in quite a number of cousins. my dad died in the road that's been 12 and a vain since of alcohol. my sister drive visited complications. my brother has had been to rehab 15 times and still he didn't make it to be a better team 3 years ago. i lost my nephew as well. i'll go to let it come to this made me sort of outgoing data complication. so we have a number of groups that are like, what are you listed? so it's really white. so to my family. yeah. so let me just hear from the people

who are in the audience, right, because we are hearing, but parents and families being addicted might be a contribute to accept. did any of you grew up with parents where you would say, what dependent or alcohol excuse, raise your hand. let's see. can you please tell me about you? a story. my name is ada, and i think alcohol isn't something that, 1st of all, you should need with that. and for sleigh bed. and when i was growing up, always finding myself like when i was a kid like my father would come drunk. like fight like be done, mama, you see. and and sometimes for example, in my family we echoed more do you see? we are good and what is like a great word for the drug that drunk you see? so we find ourselves like, for example, the 1st ones, in fact, the 1st one, all of us we have done got, does that include you out see if you say, but what we see is that we would like push what we would like to stop in sometimes

we uh, even we come up with like the fuzzy fuzzy deals. we feel like incomplete. we say no to video, but do you see like we can slow time for the lot. we got that. you see, we got that we got that thing. yeah. a. all right, so let me ask stella question here. so that has been sent by local government representative here. we called them mc as members of the county assembly. and i'm just wondering when you hear people speaking here, this is not a problem. one generation, it's 23, sometimes 4 generations deep. so we have to even begin to tackle it. the only way we can tackle it is if we start from the onset, you know, from the find the se team for this is hatch to the, to the leadership bit. because as, as we see what's up was a motion to reduce alcohol. a hardwood introduced was from iowa in the ages of those way to reduced it through the plastics class 7. you know, they fold it at home when it comes to what,

what they'll need to ship is doing right now was i think for the last few is morrenda has really had a big problems. but i think over the, as you can see that more on the has the steps that how good that would be. there's a look that has, has been taken in place and, but usually you can be able to. yeah, yeah. and you cannot see a drunk mind walking around and shouting at us, but in the absence of them in here in the town does not mean the absence of them in the entirety. i mean, we all come from rural homes. we know they drink who quoted deep, deep interior. this is, i'm seeing the steps that you guys say, you're not as black as was okay, but it's still something that you're struggling with. as i said, one of the things that i will contest simply has to be able to do in the 19. the coldest empties that they're there. they are working towards. i use bill. they used to be is, or it's a program that calling the m y s rarely solve use. so these m y s is that thing particularly you have who are not actively involved in any c? no it is. they wake up, they have no way to go. so these young people are being taken given walk to do for

3 months and upbeat for the walk. and then these young people decide, is this something i would like to learn as a student that would make me feel more useful? well, on that it was like for pick up like was a fee. you know that they'll be for a desperate a. they have nothing to do with that later. let me, let me hear from john, but not very good on the side of uh think that go with the government. but i'm here to see that go, government is doing nothing. oh, it is doing thought the not being, as far as alcohol is even, is consent. a vessel said em way is, is, is not meant to head the audience. if these mans to, to help you just to give them um, how she likes, but don't to agree that that's a step in preventing people from being disillusioned and potentially falling into alcohol, abuse it to me, i think that these are you still funny? okay, be what's, what these should be done, these, these and hospitals in, in can,

you devolved the quotes of the code, the government events of establishing and have the additional incentives in every, in every hospital. so that one of that is sick and go there access medication, then take him to m m y s. okay. so you think we have the wrong way around? let me hear from i'm here because she's teaching to speak to me. yes. you guys in india, it of people who are filling us is the county governments. the county that the monday it has been devolved. and the monday to collect from licensing of bus is supposed to go to 2 twin rehabilitation public education, a book that's the insightful source of support. right now we don't even have a come to a committee of a funded tournament facility as we speak. now, we don't have a ticket deflected, but somebody supposed to go to that. what is the f all computer controlled up to what i'm saying? is it in place? how big plastic? because we have to have a meeting with a deputy,

but it's been palostio and i was was supposed to come up with the goose control act . what have they done? the boat it up and had the boat. okay. something i haven't had the boat to. let me, let me, let me i licensing should what do to meant and bring up. the additional is not for me for what we're building the roads. all right, let me just bring a audience up to speed. the alcoholics drinks act is what regulates the control of sale for production and distribution of alcohol in this country. and that kinda, which is what you, wherever here is the national authority in the campaign against alcohol abuse and drug addiction. i know you've been told you are doing nothing. you have to give you a chest, respond the, the government has, it has a very big stick on prevention, and i'm going to read you the creation because you have, these are for those will read the dictate they need, they need help, they need to, i can use the account to be able to been a fruitful because especially to able to give that to you, the ease of someone who is addicted and they go to us when they couldn't get that to you. we have something the calling though, the any type that he's the free editor, if that he's from the county government,

they need to just click on my check in all the wonder of what people have set you able to apply and they get to the car and he's got the speed by the code to the method is going to the people. so if somebody has someone who is 80, they bought 2 gift cards and when the special needs came in, which is my side or whatever, plus need to be can go. yeah, because the girl gets treatment in india. oh, so talking to the resources that are already available and i want to bring and kind of here kinda is, i'm excited to see what's behind the bar. you wouldn't expect to see. do you mean that debates like this and do you see a, he's a no one to is this such a thing as responsible drinking? yeah, i think uh, i think it's fair depending on there was like that us having because i've seen examples of how i stay at pine to buy and i'm having some guys that this guy will say, okay, fine. i want just take one bushy and go home because i'm driving all my life threatening me at home. so i don't need to drink so much. obviously, not everybody who takes alcohol ends up on alcoholic and alcohol. i was also

reviewed, you know, a cultures. we have different names for different rights around it. so what is a healthy relationship with alcohol? like how would you describe it to meet the 2 has to revolve around drinking responsibly while driving? yeah, no. let's just take on the drinking just response because you can just stand here and do more on the more noisy hall, the hall tree. all right, so we should have those people was playing alcohol and they beat the dispute it and without we should have specific distributors who are licensed by the government will, should supply to places other than having quite the weighted speed here. and there is, the doctor will end up having things that we are know supposed to be taking. okay. let me come back to evans phone here because we were talking about it least it bruce earlier. right. and this is a primary reason for people landing themselves in hospital. what's coming close? i mean, some of these drinks we of them came across including the pain and the eternal that

of, um we already had levels showed, you know, having that low call home pretty buddies. phones yeah, of course uh being a, uh, a b p a, that homes then be already packaged. and therefore we are seeing if people are losing sight and, uh, getting a uh, keeping the conditions you know, people getting it. um, you know, i called poisoning and for that too much i even, um, blocking out um this is why you were talking about uh, going to a trusted distribute to but listen i, i enjoy my glass of wine at the end of the week. like any other person, right. but i don't want to have to think about who the distributor was. so as a consumer, is it possible to protect yourself against elicit bruce? i don't think so. oh yeah. yeah. and we have boxes that are 40 licensed. that's

actually display the good alcohol folk from. can you bro reason know that. and the battery is where they're selling the, the, the, it's a know what in slave a mixture. so it's not that this, this uh, this is bruce or being sold in some uh, should the places that uh, being sold in the box. uh ryan, talked to me, but do take blue cross and go on. so trace of done luca and hoping this would be the original and filling my tell. yeah. so you've had an experience where you bought alcohol over the counter thinking it's a brand that you are familiar with. and then what happened to did you get and well yeah, okay, i want to know about what's happening with men here with families. talk to me about that because you hear from me lees have broken and we are having a lot of, uh, single parenting. so sometimes when a mind fails to maybe achieve that is bds of the find me for a month,

it's to hide and evaluate, to have these little alcohol easy and of that drugs. so that's what we are having a lot of us drinking just because this will say that the is lacking 5 us. okay. so broken families, lack of education from the kids who are being left, but because you focused on men and it is true that one and 5 men do take alcohol compared to one in every 20 women. but the women also drinking for you, you talked about having a child who you hadn't seen, how is the relationship with your parents and with your family during that time it was terrible and it was no me not being there for my son means my son know has to have someone to look after him. you know that's giving other people responsibilities that's really didn't meant for them. yeah. but we have, we haven't spoken, you know, well, knowing what you know now and doing the podcast to try and help people who are dropping with the same thing. what do you think needs to be done more by us as

a community by governments and other stakeholders? first and foremost, of course, is to talk about it. as a said mine with my father was an open secret. why is it an open secret? why not bring the kids together explained to them? this is what's going on either father or this is what's going on with your brother or alcohol has digging a hold of your mother. you know, the more we speak about it and the more we like we, as people in recovery are able to explain what we went through, how we wish things that have been different. that's the very 1st step that we need to take. okay, of course, let me hear from and because i know you have the solutions and you already implementing that, i think it's the costs for collecting responsibility where we cannot send that to the section of the government. we do this, maybe not the will do this or the national go, it's everybody. everybody has to come on board from the individual to the family, to the community, to the county government. national government rehabilitation doesn't have to be expensive to be effective. we can do it a bit of the village level,

where we have people who are actually bringing this together. because what about some of the substance use this or the needs is love and acceptance? the moment we stop pushing them out the what do we have? the accepted and we have the accepted in the drinking dance in the drug then that is we have the be actually good. that is where the state of things and take yeah. much as i emphasized with that. so it's very difficult for a family who is currently trying to do with the person who's addicted to, to, to share love because they steal from you the lie to you, you know, where do we find to the grace to extend to them? ended up being rehab because somebody brought up the good didn't me. when everybody else will just bring up you. bringing up the bab, someone came and told me on your beautiful you have telling, tell didn't you had a public speak you can make a difference in this mission. that's how i ended up in the twins frustrated. but everybody kept telling me how useless i was. so i became a distance of myself from anybody, was close to me because of the people who mean up to the question you're drinking.

other people who love you, but the approaches over on the purchase is all wrong. so if we can educate them to embrace this before and make them know that be a fit, people will need professional help. we will get to break. so, okay, is the club g? is the shake the the cab is, are they doing enough? a religious bodies involved a fund. we are doing nothing. me. when i is about the visa, i'll go i was only program. are you and to them the try to me that touch the glad you mean not my attach but the internet that anymore on any fuck, i just thought that to be the more than the 5 are they to a past us. we stopped the journey but wrong, very, very. we have people who took phones. i just thought that the building is a to me thing. how can you are dying to be seen us? how can you mean when we, the gland gods, and i think it's like they have the, i'm judged, our youth. they have judge eh, the alcohol,

each. forgetting that the sent by god to seek the sackful sold. so to me i being the bit tempted to today's up the judge, you should not be monday oriented. victor, she would stop being detrimental and the judge should not. and to show this thought would be more now using alcohol easy, let me hear some other solutions from the site and are you wanted to say something? i think we need to come to a place we have by, as a society, as ignition. we have talking about preventive conditions starting from schools because i did look at these quotes and you might be thinking even that you've been don't, i'm not exposed to drugs. but let me tell you that his lawyer is just to be the drugs as so much. so we need to go back from the east coast in churches, in your organization, and everywhere the society, and speak much about to based. okay. so kind of what you'll do the 2nd to last last class. and again, is this such a thing of ethical partying? because you don't want to tell people what they kind of kind of drink,

but is there a way for us to enjoy to be brought to being excessive. i have a lot of stories with my clients. we make kind of apple. we have like kind of experience we have talking about the things that are affecting them. so when, why did they are drinking bodies when they often? and you realize that if they have a problem that is wouldn't have like a top to seek to go about. yeah, so there's the scenario, maybe you find maybe someone who's been drinking and he had run, go to the sick and go to you on the tub caulked to on. do you feel like you need to go to the 5th to talk to him, right. and if you observe that possible, i think he has a site, he has reached his limit. like i said, just maybe a glass of water turned out sometimes. uh uh, organized for like a buffalo to take to take a client, hold on because i'm behind the bob and it's business. all right. it has on the corner. let me get back to one of me have to say i have. yeah. but i like what you

said, so being your, let's keep us. all right, so sure what we want to run with you. if you had a chance to, you know, go back in time to when you 1st touched your 1st book to what would you tell that version of yourself and what would you tell anybody who might be watching, who is struggling at any stage of addiction? i would tell myself, she please don't eventually. it's because it's on funding begins. i mean, i got into it's not wanting to be and i didn't get nobody wants to be and i did. it was all fun and games until now. the people is to drink. we, it's now the concrete, but now i'm left to that but didn't know as a consequence, i couldn't get out of it. now i just have to keep getting high over and over again to numb the pain and the means that yeah, so tell them i on the so please please, please. she just keep off track. don't stick it in that fussy ok. yeah. well, thank you very much for your thoughts and to all of you, we asked a simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is the problem? evidently, a very complex one. and the answer to that problem, if you ask me

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