to have to say this too much. that's why we listen. because every weekend on d w the this week on the 77 percent street debate, we just to drink, but in the entire was nobody to this to become an alcoholic being way for me. we are good and what are you looking for you? what was the drug then drunk? what do you think needs to be done more by us as a community by governments and other stakeholders? the judge. how are you? the object eh, alcohol each? so tell my on the, so please, please, please she just people that don't stick it in that fussy hello and welcome back to the 77 percent street debate this week. we are in the

wrong uh, in central can, you know, according to the national statistics, one in every 8th kenya is confused. alcohol, not a very big number, but when you consider the 42 percent of those who drink are considered to be alcoholics, then question mark stuck to a rise while wishing central kendall one of the most affected regions to try and find out why i know society can do to address this, and i want to begin with to maria. do you mind sharing what your journey through addiction and recovery has been? i feel like i've struggled with alcohol at dixon for 13 years. well, since my 1st drink, basically i haven't been able to drink nicely or properly as most people would say . but at what point did you realize that, hey, this is beyond just the usual drink over the weekend? it's beyond the dependency. it's something else i assume to myself, i did not have a drinking problem on this. the i never, i would call myself on alcoholic just for laughs, just for gods. but in truth, i really did have a drinking problem. i wouldn't wake up and drink,

but i would get a whole, but let's say 750 a male, m zynga and finish it all by myself in my room. i would maybe go with friends, they would drink nice and responsibly, but i would always drink to blackout. yeah. yeah. do you remember what time at what point you felt like you need to drink in excess of probably when my father died. honestly, all my life, i think my father struggled to that dixon over the alcohol, basically. and it was never, it was an open secret. you know, his family never really spoke about it. he never spoke to us about it. but we could all see that he's struggling with it. i think he went to have 3 times. yeah, i think when he died i felt, oh, okay, uncle whole took him, let me so alcohol whose boss, you know it's a huge mistake and we'll come back to to that in a short while. but true. we're talking about recovery and you're literally just these into your recovery journey. 5050. how many days?

56 barrels come back to nations. how are you feeling right now? i feel so good. it is. i feel so good because i look forward to using something i've struggled with for like over i think, 15 years plus. yeah. and it's not the number of drinking, like i have a drink or afraid and that's it for the weekend. you know, it's daily drinking from morning to evening and that's every 10 monday sunday. so i can see it like for now i am so happy i gotta wake up so that i know what is happening here. i'm not drunk solely any. i'm so glad you or so right the i like that and for you again, what was the point? that's which you felt. all right, this is it's, i need to turn my life around or something is not going to work out in the end. i have a son and i have not really been a part of his life due to that disease. now the whole is if i'm not to be not part of his life, for like the longest, i'm new spending 11 this year and it took me i'm so much i'm glad i feel

disappointed in blood. it took me almost 11 years for me to come out of it. but i'm so glad to know i couldn't do that for my son. yeah. not to jump the gun to anything, but i know i know you had said that you had tried recovery before and you kind of slipped and fell back into it. are you hopeful that this time it will be different? oh yes. um they are very helpful because this time zone may have power of lifted sleeves. so i'm so ready for the john. yeah, yeah. okay. so on i want to introduce you because you'll also a recovering addict. but beyond that, you also have a community based organization working very, very closely with communities here who are struggling with alcoholism. so based on what you've had on your own personal experience, how wide spread is a problem of alcohol abuse and addiction and can you, in fact, you should be to get a national disaster. because actually we are losing a lot of people typical who lives in more than about drugs and other diseases put together, addiction is assumed best of disease and that is the reason why we have not. we can

say that we have this, this, this, but this fix right up some of the $300.00 plus signs. because like in a village is what they do when the person dies from a call is and nobody talks about it. it took them to the mortuary of to that event, that time smell, pm. no, we don't know the cause of death of things that must have been to come to the much of it just buried. so we don't really know how many people we are losing in a week incoming. never. we lost more than 2020 people. and now we cannot say that it's just that young people who are drinking because the, the ej ej ej. a group that we bought it is between 59 and 74. so you can see now the, it's not, not just the team the just, just, just the us. but even if those people. yeah. so it is a big problem. they've got to across the board. we cannot say it's this group of people to reach the point. it's anybody can, can, you know, kind of get dropped into the, into the addiction. what does it need? so it's, it's, it's really deep and it's really duck. i like the biggest stuff just that these

obviously a problem and i think these a double problem here because the list sits brew question has been brought up the bus the dies alcohol. but john, i wanted to come to you because you are use leader and you decided that your organization, jo jen got to meet initiative, which is for the full build the community of the society initiative to tackle this problem. why was it so important for you? it was very important to me because of my, my god, for that used to drink. he was the due dated drinking officer and then there was the c 90 of that. he was saying he's 21 is a flat and then drinking to that as to penny. and then he died leaving. he's a kid in the struggling and even to date the state of struggling. so i felt if someone had least, if someone have started fighting again, is that many, maybe my grandfather would not have died. and then uh,

talking to women payments. because most of our festa to and then we try to use, we become seem to touch these these my tell d z medical policy and my child that lived on maybe stopped. he's a education, it just because of alcohol is him. so i felt to know these, these time for us to reason, but on, before we proceed, nobody ever take their 1st drink thinking that they're going to end up into alcoholism. so what leads one into that sort of spirals such that you're no longer have control. it's not the one more thing. and not always tell people we chose to drink, but in the entire world, nobody to this to become an alcoholic. and so we go through the face, they just become how spice they just the experiment away you experimenting before, shall we just to look at because they are functional as an instrument plays. when you stop getting blackouts, then we have to have be trusted. a be to be just that just when now you go even try to come out. you cannot come because i already did the brittany is addicted. the

body is addicted to the drug. actually it's not you with making the choice, it's not you abusing the drug, it's not a drug abusing. you'll see that schedule stage where by it's all about the last as soon as the a job, just us telling you things and then you lose yourself. watch surface team and it leads no disappointment for something. they'll just have to be coming. so say do this not having to say the idea shown. yes. and you said that you lost quite a number of people in your family. is that because because of alcohol use in my family, we have that problem. we've brought it quite a number of cousins. my dad died down the road that's been trained and the maintenance of alcohol, my sister detected complications. my brother has had been to rehab 15 times and still he didn't make it. we better team 3 years ago. i lost my nephew as well. i'll go to let it come to this made me sort of contradict that complication. so we have a number of groups that are like, what are you listed so it's really wiped out to my family. yeah. so let me just

hear from the people who are in the audience, right, because we are hearing, but parents and families being addicted might be a contribute. it's in fact, did any of you grew up with parents where you would say what dependent or alcohol excuse, raise your hand. let's see. can you please tell me about your story? my name is ada, and i think alcohol isn't something that the should need with that. and for sleigh bed, and when i was growing up, was finding myself a window was a kid like my father would come drunk. like, fight like big mamma. you see. and and sometimes for example, you know, if somebody, we echoed more do you see we, i couldn't, what do you like to create a word for the drug that drunk you see? so we find ourselves like, for example, the 1st one for the 1st one, all of us we have done got, does that include you? i would say is you say, but what we see is that we would like for sure what we would like to stop in

sometimes we uh, even we come up, we'd like to find the, the fact that the units we feel like in complete, we say no to be dead, but do you see like we can slow time for the blood? we got that. you see because that because that thing. yeah. a. all right, so let me ask stella question here. center has been sent by local governments representative. you know, we called them mc as members of the county assembly, and i'm just wondering when you hear people speaking here, this is not a problem. one generation, it's 23, sometimes 4 generations deep. so we had to even begin to tackle it. the only way we can tell quote it is if we start from the onset, you know, from the fun. but you say team, this is hatch to the, to the leadership bit. because as, as we see what's up was the motion to reduce alcohol, a hardwood introduced to us from iowa in the ages of those which we used to eat through the classics class 7. you know, before it's at home when it comes to what,

what the leadership is doing right now was i think for the last few is, miranda has really had a big problem. but i think over the, as you can see that marana has the steps that have gone that we need is a look that has, has been taken in place. and that is that you can be able to. yeah, yeah. and you can not see a drunk mind walking around and shouting at us, but in the absence of them in here in the town does not mean the absence of them in the entirety. i mean, we all come from rural homes. we know they drink who quoted deep, deep in the interior that there is, i'm seeing the steps that you guys say, you're not as black as was okay, but it's still something that you're struggling with. as i said, one of the things that i will come to assembly has been able to do and the 19 guessing piece of data that they are working towards. i used to deal, they used to be ease or it's a program that calling to m y s. were like solve use. so these m y s is trying to typically use who are most actively involved in any c? no it is. they wake up, they have no way to go. so these young people are being taken given walk to do for

3 months and upbeat for the walk. and then do you have people decide? is this something i would like to learn? is that security that would make me feel more useful with all that it was like for pick up like was a fee, you know that they will be for a desperate a. they have nothing to do with that. like let me let me hear from john. hey, not very good on site of uh they they, they go with the government, but i'm here to see that go, government is doing nothing. oh, it is doing the thing not being, as far as alcohol easy is going to send a vessel said m way is, is, is not meant to head the i did it these mans to, to help few, just to give them all because she likes, but don't to agree that that's a step in preventing people from being disillusioned and potentially falling into alcohol abuse. but to me i think that these are useful for money. okay, because what these should be done is these and hospitals in,

in can you devolved the quotes of the code, the government being sold, establishing and have the additional incentives in every, in every hospital. so the woman that is sick and go there access medication and then take him to m m y s. okay. so you think they have it the wrong way around? let me hear from i'm here because she's eating to speak to me. yes. you guys in it of people who are telling us is that going to governments that come to that, that the monday it has been devolved? and the monday we collect from licensing of bus is supposed to go to 2 twins, rehabilitation, public education, a book that's the insightful source of support. right now we don't even have a home to go to a county of a funded tournament facility, as we speak. now, we don't. where are they taking the 60 percent up to supposed to go to that? what is the f all complete? control up to them, what i'm not going to see is it in place how big plastic because we had up

a meeting with a deputy but has been palostio and i was was supposed to come up with the goose dental act. what have they done about it? i haven't had the boat, the company, and i haven't had the boat to, but let me, let me, let me, i licensing should water treatment and we have the additional, it's not for me for what we're building roads. all right. let me just bring all this up to speed. the alcoholics drinks act is what regulates the control of sale for production and distribution of alcohol in this country. and that kinda, which is what you, wherever here is the national authority in the campaign against alcohol abuse and drug addiction. i know you've been told you're doing nothing. you have to give you a chest, respond that the government has. it has a very big stick on prevention, and i'm going to read you the creation because you have these are for those while read the addicted they need, they need help. they need to, i can use the account to be able to been a fruitful because especially to able to give that to you. if you have someone who is addicted and they go to school, they couldn't get that. we have something that calling though the any type that

he's the free editor, if that he's from the code to give up meant that the what do you think? just click on my check. yes. all the, one of the people, the search able to apply and they get to the car and he's got displayed by the code to the method is going to the people. so if somebody has someone who is 80, they bought 2 gift cards and when the special needs came in, which is my side or whatever for us need to be can go. yeah, because the girl gets treatment in and get oh and so talking to the resources that are already available and i want to bring in kind of here kinda is, i'm excited to see what's behind the bar. you wouldn't expect to see him in the debates like this, and yet he a, he's a no one to. is this such a thing as responsible drinking? yeah, i think uh, i think it's fair depending on there was like that to a savvy, because i've seen examples of how i stay at behind the bar. and i'm having some guys that this guy will say, okay, fine, i want just take one bushy and go home because i'm driving all my life threatening me at home. so i don't need to drink so much. obviously not everybody who takes

alcohol ends up on alcoholic and alcohol. i was also reviewed, you know, a cultures. we have different names for different rights around it. so what is a healthy relationship with alcohol? like, how would you describe it to meet the 2 has to revolve around drinking responsibly while driving? yeah. no. let's just take on the drinking it response because you can just stand here and do more. the more like the hall, the hall tree. all right, so we should have those people was playing alcohol and they beat the dispute it and without we should have specific distributors who are licensed by the government or should supply to places other than having quite the weighted speed here. and there is, the doctor will end up having things that we are know supposed to be taking. okay. let me come back to evans phone here because we were talking about elicit bruce earlier. right. and this is a primary reason for people landing themselves in hospital. what's coming close? i mean, some of these drinks we have them came across including methane and the east central

that of um we've already had 10 levels showed, you know, having that low call home pretty buddies phones. but of course being a, uh, b p, a, that homes then the already packaged. and therefore we are seeing if people are losing sights and getting and keeping the conditions, you know, people getting it you know, i called poisoning and for that too much i even, um, blocking out, um, this is why you were talking about uh, going to a trusted distribute to but listen i, i enjoy my glass of wine at the end of the week. like any other person, right. but i don't want to have to think about who the distributor was. so as a consumer, is it possible to protect yourself against elicit bruce? so i just, i don't think so. oh yeah, yeah. um we have boxes that are 40 licensed. that's actually display the good

alcohol folk from. can you breweries and know that and the battery is where they're selling the the the to know. uh what, uh and sleep a mixture. so its not that this, this uh, this is bruce or being sold in some, uh, shit, the places that being sold in the box. uh ryan. talked to me but do take blue cross and go on. so it was of done liquor and hoping it would be sort of be the original and filling myself. yeah. so you've had an experience where you bought alcohol over the counter thinking it's a brand that you are familiar with. and then what happened to did you get an will? yeah. okay. i want to know about what's happening with men here with families. talk to me about that because you hear from me lees have broken and we are having a lot of a single feed entity. so sometimes we in a mind feels to maybe achieve that is possibilities of the find me

a month. it's to hide and a very, to have these little alcohol using and i've that drugs. so that's what we're having a lot of us drinking. it's just because this is lacking 5 us ok. so broken families, lack of education from the kids who are being left, but because you focused on men and it is true. that's one and 5 man. do take alcohol compared to one in every 20 women. but the women also drinking for you, you talked about having a child who you hadn't seen, how is the relationship with your parents and with your family during that time? it was terrible because no, me not being that for my son means my son know has to have someone to look after him. you know that's giving other people responsibilities. that's really i didn't meant for them. yeah. but we have, we haven't spoken, you know, well, knowing what you know now and doing the podcast to try and help people who are dropping with the same thing. what do you think needs to be done more by us as

a community by governments and other stakeholders? first and foremost, of course, is to talk about it. as i said, mine with my father was an open secret. why is it an open secret? why not bring the kids together explained to them? this is what's going on either father or this is what's going on with your brother or alcohol has taken a hold of your mother. you know, the more we speak about it and the more we like we, as people in recovery are able to explain what we went through, how we wish things that have been different. that's the very 1st step that we need to take. ok, of course, let me hear from and because i know you have the solutions and you already implementing that, i think it's the costs for collecting responsibility where we cannot send that to the section of the government will do this. maybe not the will do this or the national go is everybody. everybody has to come on board from the individual to the family, to the community, to the county government. national government rehabilitation doesn't have to be expensive to be effective. we can do it

a bit of the village level where we have people who are actually bringing this people together because what about some of the substance use this or the needs is love and acceptance? so the moment we stopped pushing them out the what do we have the accepted and we have the accepted in the drinking dance in the drug dance. that is we have the be actually good. that is where those 2 of things i take. yeah. much as i emphasize with that, so it's very difficult for a family who is currently trying to do with the person who's addicted to, to, to share love. because they still from you the lie to you, you know, where do we find to the grace to extend to them ended up in rehab because somebody brought up the good to me when everybody else will just bring up. bringing up the bab, someone came and told me i knew a beautiful yes telling tell didn't you're a public speaker. you can make a difference in this mission. that's how i ended up in the twins frustrated. but everybody kept telling me how useless i was. so i became, i, i just jumped to myself from anybody, was close to me because of the people who mean up to the question you're drinking.

other people who love you, but the approaches over on the purchase is all wrong. so if we can educate them to embrace this before and make them know the best fit people will need professional help. we will get the break. so okay, is the club g? is the shake, the, the cab, these are they doing enough? a religious bodies involved a fact they are doing nothing. me. when i is bought the vehicle, i was on the program or you went to them. the try to me that charge the glad you mean not my charge, but the internet that you more on any far. i just thought that we, they more than the 5 are they to a past us. we stopped the journey but wrong. very, very. we have people who took phones, i just thought that the building is a to me saying, how can you are dining really seen us? how can you mingle, we the gland, gods, and i big. it's like that. they have the, i'm judged, our youth. they have just a,

the alcoholics forgetting that the sent by god to seek for souls. so to me, i being the judge of sure today's up the judge. you should not be money already in said vit. judge judy stop being a judge, mental and the judge should not. and to show this thought would be more now using alcohol easy. let me hear some of the solutions from the site. i know you wanted to say something. i think we need to come to a place we have by as a society, as a nation. we have talking about preventive conditions starting from schools because i did look at these quotes and you may be thinking even that you've been don't, i'm not exposed to drugs. but let me tell you that as well. yeah. it has to be the drugs as so much. so we need to go back from there is cool in churches in your organization and everywhere in the society and speak much about probation. okay. so kind of, uh, you'll be the 2nd to last. the last person, again is this such a thing as ethical, partying because you don't want to tell people what they kind of kind of drink,

but is there a way for us to enjoy without it being excessive? i have a lot of stories with my clients. we met kind of apple, we have like on the experience, we have talking about the things that are affecting them. so when, while they are drinking bodies, when they often and you realize that if they have a problem, that is when you have like a top to seek to go about. yeah. so the scenario may be unified and maybe someone who's been drinking that he had run, go to the sick and go to you or the todd cope too. and you feel like you need to go to the 5th to talk to him, right? and if you observe that possible, i think he has the fact he has reached his limit. like i said, just may be a glass of water turned out sometimes. uh uh, organized for like a buffalo to, to take to compliance hold on because i'm behind the bob and it's business. all right. it has on the corner. let me get back to me. have to save. yeah. but i like

what you said. so being your brothers keeper. all right, so sure, well, we want to rough with you. if you had a chance to, you know, go back in time to when you 1st touched your 1st bottle. what would you tell me that version of your cell and what would you tell anybody who might be watching? who is struggling at any stage of addiction? i would tell myself, she please don't eventually. it's because it's on funding against. i mean, they got into it not wanting to be and i didn't get nobody wants to be and i did. it was all fun and games and to know that people is to drink. we know the concrete, but now i'm left to the but didn't know they can't create tickets, get out of it. now it's the stuff to keep getting hired over and over again to numb the pain and the means that yeah, so tell them i understand please, please, please. she just keep of that. don't stick it in that fussy. okay. yeah. well, thank you very much for your thoughts and to all of you, we asked a simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is the problem? evidently, a very complex one. and the answer to that problem, if you asked me

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