to assume the sounds of power and inspiring story of, of survival music under the swastika starts may 25th on dw this week on the 77 percent street to the bait we chose to drink. but in the entire while, nobody chooses to become an alcoholic. anyway, for me, we are good and what are you looking for? you would for the drunken drive, what do you think needs to be done more by us as a community by governments and other stakeholders? the judge, our you, we have judge eh, alcohol each. so tell them i understand, please, please, please. she just people that don't stick events that trust you the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent debate this week. we are in moraga in

central can, you know, according to the national statistics, one in every 8th kenya is consumed. alcohol, not a very big number, but when you consider the 42 percent of those who drink are considered to be alcoholics, then question mark stuck to arise. well wishing central ken now, one of the most affected regions to try and find out why and what the site can do to address this. and i want to begin with to maria. do you mind sharing what your journey through addiction and recovery has been? i feel like i've struggled with alcohol addiction for 13 years. well since my 1st drink, basically, i haven't been able to drink nicely or properly as most people would say. but at what point did you realize that, hey, this is beyond just the usual drink over the weekend? it's beyond the dependency. it's something else i used to tell myself, i did not have a drinking problem on s t. i never, i would call my cellphone alcoholic. just for laughs, just for guides, but interest i really did have a drinking problem. i wouldn't to wake up and drink,

but i would get a whole bottle excessive in 50 a male. i'm zynga, and finish it all by myself in my room. i would maybe go with friends, they would drink nice and responsibly, but i would always drink to blackout. yeah. yeah. do you remember what time at what point you felt like you need to drink in excess of probably when my father died. honestly, all my life, i think my father struggled with that dixon over the alcohol, basically. and it was never, it was that open secrets, you know, his family never really spoke about it. he never spoke to us about it. but we could all see that he's struggling with it. i think he went through, we have 3 times. yeah. i think when he died, i felt, oh, oklahoma took him, let me so alcohol whose boss, you know it's a huge mistake and we'll come back to to that in a short while. but you were talking about recovery and you're literally just these

into your recovery journey. 5050. how many days? 56. they all come back to nations. how are you feeling right now? i feel so good. it is. i feel so good. because alcohol, do you see me something i've struggled with for like over, i think 15 years plus. yeah. and it's not the number of drinking, like i have a drink or afraid and that's it for the weekend. you know, it's daily drinking from morning to the evening and that sort of attend monday sunday. so i can see it like for now i am so happy i gotta wake up so that i know what is happening here. i'm not drunk solely any. i'm so glad you that. so rather i liked that and for you again, what was the point at which you felt? all right, this is it's, i need to turn my life around or something is not going to work out in the end. i have a son and i have not truly been a part of his life due to the disease. now the alcoholism, i'm not to be not part of his life, for like that long. his time needs dining 11 to see

a and it took me i'm so but i'm glad i feel disappointed in blood. it took me almost 11 years for me to come out of it. but i'm so glad to know i couldn't do that for my son. you know, to jumped the gun to anything, but i know i know you had said that you had tried recovery before and you kind of slipped and fell back into it. are you hopeful that this time it will be different? oh yes, i'm very, very helpful because this time zone may have power of lifted sleeves. so i'm so ready for the john. yeah, yeah. okay. so on, i want to introduce you because you'll also a recovering addict. but beyond that, you also have a community based organization working very, very closely with communities here who are struggling with alcoholism. so based on what you've had and your own personal experience, how wide spread is a problem of alcohol abuse and addiction and can you, in fact, you should be to get a national disaster. because actually we are losing a lot of people to a whole isn't more than about drugs and other diseases put together addiction these

assume visited, this is in that is the reason why we not, we can say that we have this, this, this, but this takes right up some of the $300.00 plus signs, because like in a village is what they do when the person dies from a call is and nobody talks about it, it took them to the mortuary of to that event that time smoke pm. no, we don't know the cause of death a times that much event took them to the much of it just buried. so we don't really know how many people we are losing in the we income and never we lost more than 2020 people. and now we cannot say of that, it's just the people who are drinking because the, the ej ej ej. a group that we bought, it is between 59 and 74. so you can see now that it's not, not just the team to just just just say your but even if those people. yeah. so it is a big problem that's, that's across the board. we can also use this group of people to reach the for, it's anybody can come, you know, kind of get dropped into the, into the addiction. well, maybe it's a, it's, it's, it's really deep and it's really duck. i like that. we've established these

obviously a problem, and i think these a double problem here because the, it list sits brew question has been brought up the bus to dies alcohol. but john, i want it to come to you because you are use leader and you decide that the to organization jo, jen got to meet initiative, which is like a full build the community of the society initiative to tackle this problem. why was it so important for you? it was very important to me because of my, my grand father used to drink. he was the due dated drinking officer. and that was the c 90 of that he was sitting. he's 21 is a flat. and then drinking to that has to penny and then he died leaving he's a kid in the struggling and even to date the state is struggling. so i felt if someone had least, if someone have stopped the fighting again, is that many, maybe my grandfather would not have dates and then uh,

talking to women payments because um, most of our festa and then we try to use we to con, seem to judge these, these my tell d z medical holly's him and my child left on maybe stopped. he's a education, it just because of alcohol is him. so i felt to know these these time for us to reason. but, and before we proceed, nobody ever take the 1st drink thinking that they're going to end up into alcoholism. so what leads one into that sort of spirals such that you're no longer have control. it's not the one most thing. and i always tell people we chose to drink, but in the entire while, nobody chooses to become an alcoholic. and so we go through the face, they just become health price. they just the experiment away. you experimenting before, shall we just to look at because they are functional. and then instrumental is when you stop getting blackouts, then we have to have be trusted. because i've been just to just when now you, you even tried to come out to kind of come because i already did the brittany is

addicted. the body is addicted to the drug. actually, it's not you with making the choice. it's not you abusing that drug. it's not a drug abusing, you'll see that schedule stage where by it's all about the last as you lose your job, just us telling your things and then you lose yourself. watch surface team and it leads no disappointment for some of those have to be coming to say do this, but having to say the ideas shown. yes. um and you said that you lost quite a number of people in your family. is that because because of alcohol use in my family, we have that problem. we've brought it quite that number of cousins. my dad died in the road, the accidental and the inference of alcohol. my sister black visited the complications . my brother has had been to rehab 15 times and still he didn't make it a better team 3 years ago. i lost my nephew as well. i'll go to let it come to this made me sort of complication. so we have a number of groups that are like, what are you looked at? so it's really why plus my family. yeah. so let me just hear from the people who

are in the audience, right? because we are hearing, but parents and families being addicted might be a contribute. it's in fact, did any of you grew up with parents where you would say what dependent or alcohol excuse, raise your hand. let's see. can you please tell me about your story? my name is ada, and i think alcohol is something that both of ownership need with it. and for sleigh bed. and when i was growing up the most binding myself like we know is i keep thinking my front door would come down like fi like the drama. you see and and some things, for example, you know, way for me, we echoed more do you see? we have good. what do you agree with full of the drum, the drum you see. so we find ourselves like for example, the 1st once. in fact, the 1st one, all of us we have done cut. does that include you out see if you say, but what we see is that we would like for sure what we would like to stop in

sometimes we uh even we come up with like the fuzzy, the fuck deals. we feel like incomplete. we say no to be there, but do you see like we can slow time for the blog request that you see because that because that thing. yeah. a. all right, so let me ask stella question here. center has been sent by the local government representative here. we called them mc as members of the county assembly, and i'm just wondering when you hear people speaking here, this is not a problem. one generation, it's 23, sometimes 4 generations deep. so we have to even begin to tackle it. the only way we can tell quote it is if we start from the onset, you know, from the fun. but you say team, this is hatch to the, to the leadership bit. because as, as we're seeing, what's the level of motion toward this alcohol uncle? what introduced was from iowa in the ages of those which would use to do the classics class 7. you know, before, at home when it comes to what,

what the need to ship is doing right now was i think for the last few is morrenda has really had a big problem. but i think over the, as you can see that marana has the steps, that's how good that would be. there's a look that has, has been taken in place and that you can be able to. yeah, yeah. and you can not see a drunk mind walking around and shouting at us, but in the absence of them in here in the town does not mean the absence of them in the entirety. i mean, we all come from rural homes. we know they drink who quoted deep, deep in the interior that there is, i'm seeing the steps that you guys say, you're not as black as was okay, but it's still something that you're struggling with. as i said, one of the things that i will contest simply has to be able to do and the govern 9 guessing piece that they are working towards. i use bill they used to be is, or it's a program that calling the m y s really solve use. so these m y s is that thing particularly you with who are most actively involved in anything. you know, it is, they wake up, they have no way to go. so these young people are being taken given walk to do for

3 months and upbeat for the walk. and then these young people decide, is this something i would like to learn as a student that would make me feel more useful with all that it was like for pick up like was a fee. you know that they'll be for a desperate a. they have nothing to do with that later. let me, let me hear from john. hey, that's very good on the side of uh they, they, they go with the government. but i'm here to see that go, government is doing nothing. oh, it is doing thought the not being, as far as alcohol is even, is going to send a vessel said em way is, is, is not meant to head the audience is meant to, to help few. and just to give them um, how she likes, but don't to agree that that's a step in preventing people from being disillusioned and potentially falling into alcohol abuse. but to me i think that these are useful for money. okay, because what these 2 to be done is these and hospitals in,

in can devolved the quotes of the code to govern individuals is publishing every have the additional incentives, even every in every hospital. so the woman that is sick and go there access medication, then take him to m m y. yes. okay. so you think we have the wrong way around? let me hear from on here because she's eating to speak to me. yes. you guys in india and of people who are filling us, is that going to governments that come to the monday it has been developed. and the monday to collect from licensing of bus is supposed to go to $220.00. we have latisha, public education, a book on the inside of your support. right now we don't even have a home to go up on the um, a funded tournament facility as we speak now. we don't have a ticket. that's not the 1st time that you're supposed to go to that. what is the f all control up to what i'm saying? is it in place? how big plastic? because we have the meeting with the deputy president last year and i was was

supposed to come up with the goose control act. what have they done about it? i haven't had the boat in the company. no, i haven't had the boat to. but let me, let me, let me, i like some things with what it meant and be happy with this. one is not for me. what for what building the roads. all right, let me just bring all this up to speed. the alcoholics drinks act is what regulates the control of sale for production and distribution of alcohol in this country. not kinda which is what you, wherever here is the national authority in the campaign against alcohol abuse and drug addiction. i know you've been told you are doing nothing. you have to give you a chest, respond that the government has, has a very big stick on prevention. and i'm going to read you the creation because you have vision for those will read the dictate they need, they need help. they need to, i can just didn't go back home to be able to. but if we drilled, because especially to able to give that to you, the ease of someone who is addicted and they go to us when they couldn't get that to you. we have something that calling though the, in the type, the,

he's the free image to if that he's from the county government, they need to call it. and i talked to you all the wonder of what people have set you able to apply and they get to the car and he's got the speed by the code to the method is going to the people. so if somebody has someone who is 18, they bought 2 gift cards, and when the special needs came any which is my side or whatever, plus need to be, can go. yeah, i think i'd go get the treatment in and get oh and so talking to the resources that are already available and i want to bring and kind of here kind of is i'm excited to just see what's behind the bar. you wouldn't expect to see me in the debates like this and yet see a, he's a no one to is there such a thing as responsible drinking? yeah, i think uh, i think it's fair depending on there was like that to us having because i've seen examples of how i used the pine to buy. and i'm having some guys that this guy will say, okay, fine, i want just take one bushy and go home because i'm driving all my life threatening me at home. so i don't need to drink so much. obviously not everybody who takes

alcohol ends up on alcoholic and alcohol. i was also reviewed, you know, a cultures. we have different names for different rights around it. so what is a healthy relationship with alcohol? like, how would you describe it to meet the, to has to revolve around drinking and responsibly while driving? yeah. no. let's just take on the drinking response because you can just stand here and do more. the more like the hall, the hall tree. all right, so we should have those people was playing alcohol and they beat the dispute. it didn't without. we have specific distributors who are licensed by the government, which supply to places other than having quite the waiting and speed here. and there is the that to the end as having things that we are not supposed to be taking . okay. let me come back to evans phone here because we were talking about eliciting bruce earlier. right. and this is a probably lobby leaves us with people landing themselves in hospital. what's coming close? i mean, some of these drinks we of them came across including the fee and then the eternal

that of, um we updated levels showed, you know, having it at low call home pretty buddies. phones. yeah. of course being a b p a that homes. then the already packaged and therefore we are seeing if people are losing sights and getting and keeping the conditions, you know, people getting it you know, i called poisoning and for that too much i even, um, blocking out. and this is why you were talking about uh, going to a trusted distribute to, but listen i, i enjoy my glass of wine at the end of the week. like any other person, right? but i don't want to have to think about who the distributor was. so as a consumer, is it possible to protect yourself against elicit bruce? so i just, i don't think so. oh yeah. yeah. um, we have boxes that are 40 licensed. that's actually display the good alcohol folk

from. can you breweries and know that? and the battery is where they're selling the, the, the to know what in slip a mixture. so it's not that this, this, this is bruce or being sold in some a should the places that are being sold in the bus. ryan talked to me, but do take blue cross and go on. so it was, i've done liquor and hoping to be sort of be the original and finding myself. yeah. so you've had an experience where you bought alcohol over the counter thinking it's a brand that you are familiar with. and then what happened to did you get and well? yeah. okay, i want to know about what's happening with men here with families. talk to me about that because you hear from me lees have broken and we are having a lot of a single parenting. so sometimes when a mind feels to maybe achieve that is b,

these of the find me a month, it's to hide and evaluate, to have these little alcohol easy and of that drugs. so that's what we are having a lot of us drinking. just because this will say that the is lacking 5 us. okay. so broken families, lack of education from the kids who being left but because you focused on men and it is through the 25 men. do take alcohol compared to one in every 20 women. but the women also drinking for you, you talked about having a child who you hadn't seen, how is the relationship with your parents and with your family during that time it was terrible because no, me not being there for my son means my son know has to have someone to look up day meet, you know, that's giving other people responsibilities. that's really it didn't meant for them . yeah. but we are, we haven't spoken, you know, well, knowing what you know now and doing the podcast to try and help people who are dropping with the same thing. what do you think needs to be done more by us as

a community by governments and other stakeholders? first and foremost, of course, is to talk about it. as i said, mine with my father was an open secret. why is it an open secret? why not bring the kids together explained to them? this is what's going on either father or this is what's going on with your brother or alcohol has taken a hold of your mother. you know, the more we speak about it and the more we like we, as people in recovery are able to explain what we went through, how we wish things that have been different. that's the very 1st step that we need to take. okay, of course, let me hear from because i know you have the solutions and do you already implementing that? i think it costs for collective responsibility. well, we cannot said that to the section of the government will do this. maybe not the will do this or the national go is everybody. everybody has to come on board from the individual to the family, to the community, to the county government. national government rehabilitation doesn't have to be

expensive to be effective. we can do it at the village level where we have people who are actually bringing this together because what about some of the substance use this or the needs is love and acceptance? the moment we start pushing them out the what do we have? the accepted and we have the accepted in the drinking then in the drug then that is we have to be actually good. that is where the state of things and take yeah. much as i emphasized with that. so it's very difficult for a family who is currently trying to do with the person who's addicted to, to, to share love because they steal from you the lie to you, you know, where do we find to the grace to extend to them? ended up being rehab because somebody brought up the good didn't me when everybody else will just bring up. bringing up the bab, someone came and told me on your beautiful yes telling. tell didn't you had a public speaker? you can of defense in this mission. that's how i ended up in the twins plus academics, but everybody kept telling me how useless i was. so i became a distance of myself from anybody, was close to me because of the people who mean up to the question you're drinking.

other people who love you, but the approaches over on the participant wrong. so if we can educate them to embrace this before and make them know that they have 6 people who need professional help, we will get to break. so okay, is the club g? is the shake the the cab is, are they doing enough? a religious bodies involved a fund? we are doing nothing. me. when i is that the vehicle i was only program or you answer to them on the truck to me, they charge the card. you mean? not my charge, but the internet that anymore on any fuck it's not that we, they more than the 5 are they to a past us. we just bought the johnny but wrong, very, very. we have people who took phones. i just thought that the building of a to me thing hope i knew or died and we be seeing us. how can you mean believe that the gland gods and i think it's like they have the judge, our youth, we have judge eh,

the alcoholics. forgetting that the sent by god to seek tactful, sold. so to me i think the chapter through today's up that that you should not be monday oriented. victor should stop being due mental, the judge should not. and to show this thought would be more now using alcohol easy . let me hear some of the solutions from the side under. you wanted to say something. i think we need to come to a place we have by as a society's initial, we have talking a book to think to can be shes starting from schools because i did look at these quotes and you might be thinking even that you've been don't, i'm not exposed to drugs, but let me tell you that as well. yeah. it has to be the drugs as so much. so we need to go back from there is cool cheese in your organization and everywhere in the society and speak much about probation. okay. so kind of, uh, you'll be the 2nd to last last bus. and again, is this such a thing as ethical, partying? because you don't want to tell people what they kind of kind of drink,

but is there a way for us to enjoy without it being excessive? i have a lot of stories with my clients. we met kind of apple. we have like on the experience we have talking about the things that are affecting them. so when, while they are drinking values, when they often, and you realize that if they have a problem that is, wouldn't have like a top to seek to go about. yeah. so there's the scenario may be unified and maybe someone who's been drinking and he had run go to you. the sick a lot to you on this had called to on the 1st like you need to go to the 5th, the cop to him. right. and if you observe the possible, i think he has a site, he has reached his limit. i can suggest maybe a glass of water turned out sometimes uh uh, organized for like a buffet to take, take a client, hold on because i'm behind the bob. and it's business, right? it has on the corner. make you back to one of me have to say i have. yeah. but i

like what you said. so being your brother's keeper. all right, so sure. well, we want to rough with you, if you had a chance to, you know, go back in time to when you 1st touched your 1st book to, what would you tell that version of yourself and what would you tell anybody who might be watching, who is struggling at any stage of addiction, i would tell myself, she please don't eventually. it's because it's on funding against. i mean they got into it's not wanting to be and i didn't get nobody wants to be and i did. it was all fun and games on to to know if people is to drink weeds. now the concrete but now i'm left because of i didn't know they can't create tickets, get out of it. now it's the stuff to keep getting hired over and over again to numb the pain and the music ceiling. yeah, so tell them i understand please, please, please. she just keep both check. don't stick in that fussy ok. yeah. well, thank you very much for your thoughts and to all of you, we us a simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is the problem? evidently, a very complex one. and the answer to that problem, if you asked me

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