to do musicians who lives in the savannah office, austin film about the sounds of power and inspiring story about the volume music under the swastika starts may 25th on dw, the. this is a time when we have more on the european continent and refusing to invest in defense. i think it's a, it's complete the kind of wishful thinking. i mean, realize not american movie, there's no good about in the world. i respectfully disagree. i thought this was very irritating, but this is precisely the point for good or do you know about the usual political debate? for the 2024. you repeat election, we flipping descript folders will be at the center of the debate, and politicians will ask the questions on topics shaping the election like the one ukraine. my name is call joyce on 20 years old. i'm from dylan islands. i don't

think the european union should be preparing for a war. i think this would be mutually disruptive. my name is thomas. i'm 27 years old. i'm from we go lap you. i think of course, your a should be preparing for war because we already have war on the european continent in ukraine. yes or no. are you afraid? war is coming to the you. a few months after the russian full scale invasion of ukraine, i took the decision to put to my studies in the u. k. on hold and to move back to life for you to undergo some military training myself, because i feel a personal judy to contribute to the security and resilience of my country a we in the baltic states. we recognize that the we border to authoritarian regimes, russian beller, roost. and i wouldn't say that we're scared,

but we're certainly menaced by the range of hybrids. threats, you know, election interference attempts to destabilize our borders, cyber attacks and so on. i think your concerns are commendable. i'm joining your own ministry. you know them with a view of defending your own country is to am. i believe personally building up as it goes without saying is, walker must be at the hague. the war is inevitable. and i think it's kind of i think it's almost my eve to think that a total victory comedy achieved on either side. and that's why it supports the ceasefire across the board. well, i think i, i'm precise where you're coming from. i think that of course, this war has brought to unimaginable destruction and loss of life. but i think the sort of message of peace that you're bringing would not, in fact lead to peace,

i think put in would use a ceasefire to basically re arm and return to work. it may be 2 or 3 or 5 years, but i think it's also wrong on moral terms. we know what happens in the occupied territories. we know about the abduction of children, rape filtration camps, ethnic cleansing. yes or no. should e u countries invest more in defense? so i don't see why the most powerful nations in the world should invest more in defense. when other things are to be considered, i, i'm from building, i went to school where people were homeless, they lived in hotels. and when orleans joined, pasco, in 2017 defense spending increase 5 volts, much 2 percent of rigidity of people still froze to death in the streets. again,

i think i, i am precise where you're coming from. um maybe begin with a bit of like an anecdotal story from, from lot be in the past week the were announced plans that maybe we should finally build a proper football stadium for our national team. and our national team is terrible . but that's kind of besides the, as i was beside the point. and so there were these debates happening that, oh, you know, a football stadium, it's an investment of several tens of millions of euros. and honestly, one of the main counter points was that this is not a time for luxuries like football stadiums. maybe we should be building a bomb shelters using these tens of millions. of course, i would love for us to build this chinese stadium and go to games and go watch lot, feel lose to extension time. but these are not normal times. this is the time when we have more on the european continent and refusing to invest in defense while we have more an instability around our external borders. i think it's a,

it's complete kind of wishful thinking and putting blinds on your eyes and hoping that the problem goes away so often goes to no offense as issue of citizenship tests to russian speaking people who comprise over 30 percent of the population. and that's being used technically by the russians and stick the bus the left, the ends with, i don't think, you know, that facilitates the production intentions in any way as well. you know, we are seeing a kind of hardening of ideological lines between russia and europe, which i don't think she is inevitable. and i don't think that should be the case when we have a, someone like putting a war criminal that has made threats over europe. and when we have trump on the other side of the atlantic as a potential next president of the us, how do we defend peace in europe without the coordinated european armed forces? every european defense capabilities. taken the view away from solely the russian

invasion of ukraine, which i think is abominable. i think the crimes of the west and the crimes of european countries, frankly, am juxtaposed entirely with irish sentiments. and i think further integration as i see it of, you know, the irish ministry, true cooperation with european union into this global world order, i think is morally reprehensible just as it is to align with russia. and that's why it fundamentally, i think ours people should protect their own neutrality regardless of what happens because i don't see russia as more i'm already deprived. then, you know, say, germany who are sending arms to these varieties and who have committed themselves to what has been alleged across the board, to be honest with me, realize not american movie does no good about in the world. i respectfully disagree with the most of what you said, i think to, to your question um,

russia's were against ukraine has actually further underscored the importance of all of europe kind of being integrated under the same uh, security umbrella. and i think an ideal example of this is the decision of a sweden and finland, 2 countries with very capable armed forces, 2 countries with fighter jets ships, submarines, artillery, everything, their decision to look at the security landscape and say, you know what, we can not deal with these threats on our own, sweden abandoning 200 years plus of non alignment to joining the alliance. this is the ultimate sign that european countries a need to need to work together. so thank you. my question. it goes too low, honorable irish holton do really believe that we should get in

to nuclear black from a from north. ok. we lead to a lot of say for the on site to be ruled and answer question with the question. do you think tighter ministry coordination? am and ministry escalation on our parents? would them in any way to turn the tray of nuclear war? the british army trains 22000 ukrainian soldiers prior to 2022, which ceased just before the invasion. the political reality is the western am increases attention and russian increases of hands and compliments one another across the board. that's just, mike mentioned though, you used to live with us and my question of whether we should get into black mountain by new policies. but what you'll see as the alternative to what extent are you consumed by uh, the risk that's under c cables, reaching ireland, or cetera lights,

serving island could be threatened by unfriendly forces. and do you consider the iron loon by itself could defend them? or do you see a need for a cold you need to do or appeal approved in order to defend what makes your economy work and your country? it's a good point and it's obviously a point of contention that are in this most discussion about us. i think hypotheticals aren't worth considering when the war has reached us down a in ukraine, and we've seen to return to trench warfare for the 1st time of the continents. and over a century, there is a tress of growth in interference with our case on this e cables, you know, cyber attacks, and so on and so forth. this may be the never, not be them to try to. that's the what's the i'm trying for these fire. i mean, if you did you tell you all of your diplomacy on the basis of fear where you're going to get in 2030, 40 years time. mutual. this trust just breeds this trust. yes. or no. should be

you provide more military support to ukraine. just want to say anything through crime inside of the indisputable right to self defense. and that's why it's kind of hard to, you know, m express these ideas, but i found them like a roof. i'm still russians have held sham elections in the dump us. they've stake their claim on frankly, there's no telling if we can force them police, if not even before some police. and all that happens is corporations have made record profits while those of ukrainians have been sent to the slaughter. i think we're just saying young men and women have to find line to be written by machine guns, as has proven the case a century ago. so i think we all in europe need to recognize that this war is not going away. we cannot treat this war, us some sort of emergency, some sort of, uh,

you know, inconvenient situation that's going to be frozen in a way that can be localized somewhere away from our daily concerns. we see putting open, we uh, continuing to deny the which uh, the rights of ukraine to exist. fulton has just stolen another presidential term. he plans to rule until his death potent is expanding. his repressions at home and fulton is transitioning russia to a war time economy. there is no scenario we're putting, says, you know what, i've had enough. send the boys home, your contention to rush it. i'm few of them has spearheaded to work on the economy is correct and they've proven on functionable. and, you know, the weapons industry is booming at the manufacturer is booming, extending the war by supplying more arms to crime which invites an es. 3 extension on the russians behalf of manufacture,

i think with sir few of them kind of ironic lee and his goal to become dictated for life and to drag on the war. i think if a cease fire is held and the russians think of plans to adhere to one, then you know, go ahead have your forever. what kind of, what basis do you have that russians would have here to this cease fire? where is the any kind of a shred of evidence for that when putting is openly saying that ukraine does not have the right to exist? ukrainian language is a fake language. he is constantly. his propagandists are spouting all sorts of toxic propaganda that we in the baltic sea, you know, redrawing maps, threatening poland, threatening to go to go far beyond. so what is the backbone of this of the ceasefire plan? but what is the best phone of drawing on the war and hoping to repel the russians from where they've already built themselves in this? is there any plan the, the plan is uh, of course, to uh,

to support ukraine and its, uh, and its a campaigns to regain its uh, its occupied territories. this war is absolutely still winnable. absolute has and find the motive logic is. it makes good slogan or t shirts or whatever, but is there any concrete plan to actually win this war? is it actually winnable? where's the, you know, i'm not a, i'm not a general, but ukrainians are telling us very clearly what sort of capabilities they need. what sort of support financial military they need? again, i think it's actually your kind of very defeatist, the rhetoric that is actually bringing us closer to world war 3 in 2022 ukrainians received from the americans weapons which exceeded the french military budget of that year. frankly, that's an insane amount of weaponry and nothing has come of it except slaughter. so

where is the cup? what do you mean? nothing has come of it. i mean of the russians left you are you denying the successes ukrainians have had in holding off and staving off not just holding off the russian invasion, but actually recall incurring more than half of the territory is occupied by a big time crane. and so i've shown that basically you don't need, we don't need your pin countries to send troops, we don't need anything like that. just give us the weapons and we will get the job done. so the ukrainians are not asking you to sacrifice anything really do for indians are just asking for weapons. do you think this will clear the russians have totally, and they will retrieve the into strong my us again, i'm not a military general, but i think uh, i think the war is certainly winnable. if we have, if we have the courage to give the ukrainians what they need, but you gotta wait on, start,

just let me finish quickly. we haven't gone through several cycles of this kind of very, uh, kind of one sided, self deterrence that your promoting. so if you remember at the beginning there were talks that no, no, no, we can send any weapons to cranes like we can send the java wins. because if a western java and is used to shoot down the russian helicopter, then we will have world war 3, right? so then russians will and you knew or something like that. then we went through the same thing with the artillery highmark. no, no, no. this is the red line when russians will well knew, cuz then we went through this with the tanks. now we're going through it with jets . now we're, we're will have a, the debates on the long range missiles, right? so every time we keep going through this kind of delayed self but turns that is only actually prolonging the war if we'd given the ukrainians more capabilities, faster they would have had greater success by now say

you for typically that to that, um the ceasefire is, is is reached and a negotiation starch. what kind of a signal would it send it to russia and poor thing? the dictator, as he's, you believe that there might be a way forwarding these or isn't there a re scared that he sees it as a green card to act like he has doing also in other countries. it's a thinly veiled kind of an invocation of strong mind politics. don't bikes down, don't look weak. if we consider, you know, our pride on our feelings ahead of, you know, the lives of millions, frankly. i think it's, it's, um, it's a rational, it's on, i think we're talking frankly in and out sound insane like the destruction of the human race. so i don't really care about what message, whatever sense. that's just me, you know i, i think just, i think the scenario you're describing would send

a devastating signal. i think it's kind of like a chamberlain coming home after the unit conference where a checklist of what parts of czechoslovakia are given a way to hitler. and he's waving this piece of paper saying, oh i have brought a piece of brought piece to europe. so i think that if this sort of ceasefire agreement is reached, then it sends the signal to pretend that she is a ambitions have been rewarded so that there is potential for more that the europeans are kind of, you know, locked into this tunnel vision of a of a seeking dialogue, even with a genocidal dictator. the nazi analogy is frankly about faithful. because it's i think i'm already reprehensible to take sort of, you know, the only war ever finding human history between object, the evil on good on apply that to watch current. you happen to know this is more

inclined, but i'd be more inclined to believe this is more like world war one where warring, impaired his powers are facing off against each other and to show a strengthened order. the results of the global economy aware i do have a question is whether it is possible to drive a progressive agenda and, and at the same time, not being able to fight against colonial an imperial power. which is right at an, at our border, or at the border of some of our nations. and whether it is possible to drive a progressive agenda in ukraine, which i wish this country very much. while this country will be divided and will be threatened by yet another round, if we are not doing something to project some power or deterrence phase of your russia, there will be obviously another round of imperial ambitions by russia. so don't you

think that these 2 visions contradict to each other? possibly what a realty is, if things continue the way they've been going through with the no progressive reality in ukraine. and lensky has found certain opposition bodies, allegedly pro russian. but you know, he doesn't the find the rules and on the, on the green front, i suppose, you know, lots more destructive than war. the us military is the largest institutional polluter in this world. most of the 90 of the ministry under giving you know, millions upon millions by millions, by millions of weapons, and so on to the ukrainians. what about the russia? committing echo side destroyed the absolutely mining agricultural land threatened things up for res. you nuclear power plant, putting literally all of europe's security at risk. what about russia's this, you're not wrong on there, which is all the way, how do you stuff that you don't prolong the war?

what is your request really, from policy capacities and the media? how to even have these emotionally loaded prior to who might have conversation is between the ukrainians and the russians. i think it should be mediated. you know, obviously i don't think it's up to the european union to decide what the terms of the ceasefire. it's not within our borders, i think in the next, the kind of political term uh to clear signals that need to be sent not just in rhetoric, but in practice. one is that europe is serious about becoming a security and defense actor. and the 2nd signal is to ukraine, not just rhetoric and summits and hand checking, but clear actions that suggest that you are serious about including ukraine in the european union. and this means you doing the work to reform to you so that it is ready to accept new member states, also, moldova,

and bosnia and maybe maybe some other ones. but this is something that puts and really will understand if your opinions are serious about helping ukraine defend itself, but also serious about its place within europe. yes or no. would you risk your life for europe? would i risk my life for europe? i answered this question with respect to my own country latvia, and i think it's kind of foolish to treat these too as indivisible latvia is europe . we're not some sort of a marginal peripheral act or we're not some sort of 2nd tier or a new member state. uh we are, uh, you're a proper. so that would be my answer of the gear if, as a monolithic idea is another one. and it is, and it's an ideological concept for centuries, you know,

if you're being slaughtered each other and that's one of the good things he was brought about is that it's end of this. but the idea of dining for your up in your dining for anything, whatever context is it's designed for the, for just for but now nationalism if you want to call it that are just for the id of, you know, the self defense without given any context with a lot of the dying for i think is a little bit of a city question. i'm irish, people, frankly, are the only europeans who have experienced colonialism and not the only european. so if no russian imperialism is quite different, wireless doesn't extractive colony for years. and irish agriculture said, you know, the british working class or in the industry revolution, so on so far i, when i go to my grandfather's village in the west of ireland, i see, you know, houses, stuff were emptied during the fall and they'll be 18 hundreds. and i can personally, you know, we can talk about rush until the cows come home. i think this mark preston, humanitarian crises in the world. i think europe as an idea dying for europe. i think it's, you know, away with the fairies, frankly saying on the look like my point is not the ukraine is the only crisis or

war in the world. absolutely not. but i think what you're saying is some sort of, you know, false false choice. europe, europe should be a super power. europe should be able to walk and chew gum. we do not have to choose between. uh, you know, uh committing our resources to address one to 2 minute terry, an issue and the other. i thought this was very irritating, but this is precisely the point tearing on the panel of used by both was a very important because this reflects the ambivalences and the tensions that we have in our voting population. so i was actually super interesting, i think for people who are used to talk a lot it's, i think you'd challenge to shut up a bits and to be able to listen to, to completely oppose to you core uh from to very different reality as well. was

extremely interesting that it's unusual for me to actually flip the script about politicians are listening carefully to the voters have to say, i certainly agreed with what the let the and young both have to say. what as i do, very shelby disagree with a lot of statements. the young irish photo made. congratulations. it's fascinating . this is exactly what the policy called debates meet. so it's very important that we continue the conversation around how courageous politicians can put on the agenda. new vision for how to make sure the citizens feel safe and they're truly supported by europe regardless of what our international global partners decide to do in the future. i think it's some intriguing for me, i think for us as petitions. so select petitions, this kind of former term hopes to shopping over on the focus of the premiums put forward by the irish. both term the to the what road to on the path to

world peace goes through giving the address. so what he wants is wrong, as it is dangerous, and i would have liked to hear as well, a bit of a feminist perspective in this debate because in terms of defense, i think we tend to only think about the military and not only about everything which is around, i think, and besides a lot with the, the iris students that we was talking because i think i'm coming from the same perspective as he is at the beginning. but the ukrainian crisis was a switch in the way i thoughts about this. going to things i find that even though there are diversion to use on how to achieve peace, we see that, for example, for someone in lots the of that has a closer understanding of what this aggression means to europe. who should have the e, you standing for your a process then, depending on decisions made in germany and front

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