one should have to make up your own mind. dw may 4 mines the hello and welcome to the 77 percent. so this week we are in johannesburg, south africa, as a country. what does it sell for a new story collection? so 2 years of to apartheid. my name is edith kimani. welcome to the show, the no 13 years ago in 1994 south africans drunk from all backgrounds and races, custody of both in the 1st free and democratic elections. this like the end of the oppressive apostolic regime and it brought so it's out because 1st of all, practically elected president nelson mandela into power. so today we're here to find out 30 years later. how has the political space in south africa changed?

well, they used we took a look back at those african history and what led up to today you know, 60 bates, we find out what young people think of spot to politics and will take you on a v i. p to arouse the west. but 1st, we wanted to look back at what those 1st elections in 1994 really meant to people. and we'll do this. we have a very personal account, but also as african correspondence. dionne holcombe. i still remember the date clearly, even though i was only 10 years old for this feeling of excitement and joy in the country. what i remember most communities, my grandmother, ruth elizabeth, to 75 years old. and it was the 1st time that she was allowed to vote. she went to the town hall with my aunt. and i remember her telling me that she was nervous and excited. she had put aside so she needed some help,

mocking her brothers paper. but she did it any way. she had lived most of her life and parties. so this day was something special, something historical, even under partridge. she and everyone else wasn't white when not allowed to vote, but this wasn't the only right that my grandmother didn't have. for example, she wasn't allowed to buy a home in certain areas. her family was forcibly moved to the child sky homeland, which was an area designated for black people only. and my grandmother couldn't go to white's only schools or university, and she was not allowed to get sick and jobs. in 1994 south africa took a new direction off the long side for liberation. all side africans were given equal right. on the 27th of april, we watched news reports of voting across the country, and so long snaking twos of people waiting for hours to exercise the democratic

rights. i remember everyone seemed excited being happy on that day, but i also remember that there was some, yes about political violence that was happening at the time, and threats from some organizations that didn't want to see change. my grandmother passed away in 2017 and in her life time, she experienced 2 decades of democracy. it made a difference in her life. apart from being able to vote. she was also able to get a pension from the government and she was able to move to an area which she would never have in allowed to live in under puts it now as an effort to unlocks the 2 years of democracy, have to wonder what her life would have been like if she had been free. well then thank you so much for that support. now you might be wondering how south africa went from the country that it was in $94.00 to the country that we know each as today. we've had this overview which might help explain that. and is there any in south africa we might have stopped you on the street to ask what you mean issues

and good selection of. and that's exactly what you're about to watch. south africa . and so going to the piece and out of $10.00 to $7.00 meetings, registered voters, 42 percent under the age of $39.00. so our young people going to both of them. are you going to? yes, very hard for me to still make a choice in terms of you know, who i'm voting for and i'm not really interested. i'm not so shame, mitchell, mitchell, but i feel like it is my, i've you, some was, was really to like to read to that they, they can be changeable in the south african economy, but i will see, i know the vote does have a value i one line terms of the teams and eccentric picture in terms of you know, the democracy around it. but you know, obviously want that change. you want them feel like you both did something.

somebody's estimated that less on house or south africa's dudes will cost vote. but who to vote for a while there is that wide range of political proxies, these uh, some of the top contender, the n c with incumbent president, serial room of who is the optics help the main or position democratic alliance with john dean hayes. and which is strong in the west, in tape the economic feed on fights, s e f, f with fire brand, julio summer, lima watson, i was calling to possible can make up ex president jacobs who month. and his concluded with ease, with patsy by the weight, duma, who was out of that form of government in a both of no confidence due to his involvement scheme. that corruption scandal is not actually on the bylaws as a candidate. his party, however, has type some support in his home programs of positive natasha. and while these election is marked as he is full of democracy, certification is perfectly strong. applicant must allow congress or

a n. c is more and bustled that never the reasons in recent years, south of custody, the ship was implicated in several coffins candles. most notably the influence of private business people on the government, on what is known as the 5th cup top. and a corruption scandal involving the states run electricity provide up, leaving south africans in the docs to talk with all sorts of the goss. one of the world's highest unemployment rates as 32 percent. the gap between the rich and poll remains high. and while some of the demands that students called for back in 2015 were met, many huge asked struggling to get access to the education. but beyond policy politics, we wanted to hear what issues you think are important. and the, since i'm a student is facing any changes he physically in his 1st head is doing as fit. so i feel like government could do something regarding the in his 1st issue. yeah. i'd

say on employment. but like that has been an issue for a while, and i don't think the change can just easily happen over just and it makes it. and then let's see that some parts you friends that i think they over. they need 5 to 10 years to have that unemployment rate, you know, decrease iris. you've got to maintain like key industries and everything. yeah. so better that you opened, for most, i'm said a month, it's almost 15 minutes. also give a play house. healthcare such as hospitals tend to patients as well. and then also um i tend to people's needs cuz i don't think we're really heard of the. what's important to me is the basic education and the improvement of rural areas as they inforcement of the participation in improving the future off. because a and youth engagement is improving the future of the country. so we've had from

a number of young voters there, but of course we have a lot more prepared for you, including from last week debate we went to, to west to which is the heartland of youth for assistance home to nelson mandela. and so many other anti apartheid leaders, and we asked young south africans whether they be leaving the political leadership of this country, the hello, and welcome back to the 77 percent street debate. my name is edith kimani, and this week we a back in the gorgeous city of the highest, but in south africa, now this country goes to the pulled of the end of me for the 1st time ever in the country across the queue street. and just over 350 registered political part to the people, surely how long it is to choose from. but today we're asking, do those political parties are present to the issues of the youth who better to answer this question for me than some fellow south africa? i don't want to stop with someone who's just 19 to just give me

a picture of what south africa is at the moment, the issue, the president issues for the youth right now, what are they? let's see. so that's it. as a country that is on fire, people in our country right now, suffering because of high rates of unemployment, gender based violence, criminality and crime is ada rates that is unprecedented in democratic set africa for young people. people who are going to have to build our lives in the next 51015 years right now someone my age 19 for us it's pertinent that we begin addressing these issues because they're the ones that are going to impact the type of lifestyle. my family will have when i pick and having a family so so, so if we could just celebrate to 30 years of democracy, do you feel like those promises that were made and 94 have all sort of gone down to dream some of materialize, but the ones that were most important to people like equity, justice, economic justice, those have not been materialized in our society. go just a few kilometers away from here to alexander the ascension. you know, you see the disparity, the one in has high rises,

has manicured loans. people that don't worry about what they're going to each tomorrow morning. on the other end, you have people what types you decide whether or not they'll be able to pay their rent or pay for child support to get to a hallway, they'll be able to feed themselves and the children. yeah. and it's against this backdrop that you're going to the pulls, as i mentioned, for the 5th time. so wellington, you were present the youth league of the and see the pots about to bring up the home for the last 30 years. when you hear somebody like what seem to speaking like this, do you think your party has done enough in those he is? our party has done what includes all the time. and everything doesn't seem as what it is, because all those miniature lords and all those big buildings speaks of it's within sensing. and, and alexandra did the contrast between the 2, the people that are from alexander to get work from they, they use some sort of immigration to get, to see, to send me these the. but what you can say is that, that it might be as low as how the, our a, our reading party has been doing things. but did,

it's nothing to say there's nothing been done. i'll come back to you on what exactly you've been doing, but somebody who might have a different view is phase of one of the new partners. in fact, the brand new horizons on see, do you believe, wellington, the thing that we all, one of the most an equal countries in the world, the people who are most effective to use a woman and all black. and it's just, it's use of male administration. and corruption within the political parties, and it's the reason why rising is on. so you have started started by a group of south africans who haven't found a political home the trudy represent. so interest and aspirations of, of this country. okay. so let me speak to which history here for a 2nd because you are working with an organization that sort of looking at things from a but i view which side is more representative of west south africans, full young people, active young people, care about this country. right, but i think for me,

what i think i would love to political parties to consider is that you do not politicize public participation. process of letting people know more about britain . but to issue right, can i feed my friend? do i have a decent school to go to after i finish with employment thing with university or high school? you know, do i have a job that is guaranteed from right? okay. yeah. let me ask uh the people who are at the back. how many of you intend to vote by sure of hands? let's see. you didn't raise your hand. can you tell me why? i wouldn't be able to vote because that definitely template it's kind of patches done for full cd. our policies, and i know it said, you know, i'm, it says here and we as dragging is blake you. so mr. d u r, i would say a champion of a is see a very big supporter. and when you hear a young fellow like this, seeing the n c, the people who are in power, they're not really working for us. what would possess you one might ask to continue voting for the n c. so for me, i look at what the agency have done. i look at the track record in terms of how

have they been able to transform society from a space where there was 0 participation of black people in the key sectors of the economy. to know this expanded participation does more black people. there's a rising middle class of much black people. there's more back people that are getting educated. and so what we must remember is that this imperative to transform society that the nc promised in 1994 with a difficult job that they had to do the promise that people and they have tried to go and deliver results. so let's, let's come back to the issue again for young people. what are some of the things for you that are so critical? locating needs to be results, unemployment needs to be result. these are 2 issues that are holding. so that for got back into the holding young people back, you know, be sure all of us talk about those forces. i mean, it's not through the forces that lead to the destruction of s comment, the breakdown of reduce the of what do you see that it was currently is it was favoring of people that are in the same circles as the people in power that has to

lend from the top, but when the top is compromised, what is their left? so let's have some solutions. what needs to be done now by the pa to by the people of south africa to make this a country the to wants. it is important to show up to vote because of what it does, is that no, it makes it difficult for the political parties who are here and even independent candidates. because i think one of the 2 most of the justices young people to only talk about, you know, uh the utah potty, the pre parties, the writ potty and the people party who must also emphasize also engage with independent candidates. because i think oftentimes given the messaging around, you know, uh, voting and so, and particularly in this country with young people, it only is the boat and both of us and all those things. and sometimes you find that i did resources have been politicized with some political parties. we engage with young people will say, you know, we've been told that he must vote for this party because they'll give us jobs. but i'm going to encourage all of us. he has in people, it doesn't stop there, we must pull up on the boat muscle up on those 2 months that we meet. you say these are my demands as we did the right. and, you know,

i'm following up. i know you mentioned the political process seems to end on the day of the election for most young people. what can young people, i mean, the political part is due to move the country forward. i think it's gonna have to me that this entire of everything because you know what young men and women need, but i mean for the nothing quite lapse of coverage that covers the disability. we, we typically in any, if you get it going to be jersey, is the 2nd one. and also we need to get started. okay. alright. what's your 1st phase? like, what do you think the country needs? so my brother said corruption, this off of corruption is to prevent it. so the way how hire and fire all politician, it needs to be according to what culture. so a senior leadership like the head of police commissioner or the geez, will have a normal power to bring change what they need to go to undergo a transparent approved to a transparent interview process by an independent panel. so then the public and politically scrutinize, the 2nd thing is procure, i'll procurement system is with the court of corruption live. and so we're saying

that we need to introduce technology like block chain to be able to transparently see who is getting the tender, how many people have been at. and if they've continued to see if i use uh who have been getting the 10 does the public are able to easily be to hold some people accountable funding. so let me hear from you as to the other of just liked him to display, not just the mistake because you wouldn't, i think it's the mystic editor. if you have just the music edit, you obviously, you know, going to, it's gonna bring up the finding information and finding all these things. what you've h yourself flight, you know better. how can you say you're not being supported if you did even try. so we started this debates with what's the and i want to conclude with him, right. what do you think your people, when doing pa, to, when you mean politics? what are the things that you want to see? what is the bit so accountability? we have is bit tough to report that most people that are still in government, nothing's been actioned on it. we just want to functional country. we just want to live harmonious. we just want to live in a country that reflects the vision that was sets out when we reached 1994 and it

was set that all were stays with behind us. we can feel that the nation is an auto pilot and the people running into opposition to people running just generally in the selection. none of them inspire us to feel that stuff is going to be fits. she says to us, don't be pessimistic. but we're only pessimistic because if the paying attention for the last 2 years. well, that's a beautiful place of green as it sounds. it is a great place to rock this debate. thank you all for watching. i do like what you said. it must has not which cat gets into government so long as that cut come catch the mice. thank you for watching the so thank you so much to everyone who participated in last week debate. we really appreciate your insights, but i wanted to conceptualize that conversation a little bit more and i'm going to buy fellow done this and, and the list kind of what i need. thank you for joining us. thank. having me. so we've just had the views of young people day and so went to and i was just curious, you know, talking about nelson mandela's dream. if you want to wake up to day and just to

a task because it's become, do you think you would be impressed or not? i think you would be the best, the 2 ways of taking the kids being pressed by the fact that is a multiplicity, and they are diverse options on the table for young people to look at. i think you'd be very proud of the fact that young people, despite the fact that the voting behavior doesn't link up with the, the kind of power that they have in their hands. that they're asking questions ended up. being critical of nelson mandela said one of his opening speeches after he was released from prison. if the amc does what the apaches government does to you remove that. and i don't think the spirit of, of the mental and legacy needs to be one where it's just rainbow in glitches. it also needs to have 5 questions that i think young people are asking hard questions . that's why you have such a, such a crystallise voice of, of, of, of, of, of this disillusionment of not voting. and for those are voting, you know,

that they have to mindset of what they need from the politician of the now. yeah. so you talked about 2 groups, the ones one not voting, of the ones who are, and these, this big number that keeps being repeated. 14000000 unregistered voltage for if the trend continues and young people avoiding point it takes a political participation. what does that mean for the future of politics in this country? one of the key issues we have to address is the fact that the average age of south africans, according to last year, since this is around 2627. so if you have more people growing in that 14000000 gap, it means that we're not going to reach quorum, which is something that so africans never really had a problem with. with in the past, you're going to have elections being decided by a group of people who may no longer be with in the demographic or the living demographic. by the time, by the time the next election rolls are out. but that's down to 2 things. one is, is the issue of representation, right? not in terms of just age,

but also in terms of understanding gender class. this so many demographics, fault lines. it's still an operation within, within south africa city is on that. i don't think that we addressed. it also means that small apply to the crowd movements occurring to take advantage of the fact that no one is voting and create groups outside of the political party as an, as an association or group. and that brings to for an important question which is do you think this lack of representation in the political sphere is what is creating this huge gap in this story that i'm being told, the politicians seem to be speaking. one thing and young people was talking about something completely different. it's just such an extent. yes, there was a segment that i saw on this a be see a couple of days ago when men said when i, when you've given me a job, i will go vote. so now there's a question of ok. use a, not just these reproductive entities that i just use for political hold. use one to

be economic beings, what 3 social beings before they engage in political action. and that's something that has to be interrogated and, and something that has to be taken into account. you know, we're not having any conversations about why they know young women are presenting political parties in this election period. okay, so very quickly, we've looked at quite a number of issues. do you think this election is going to bring any change whatsoever to the current state of affairs and the country? i think people should look out for the role of small parties. people need to also look out for how the vote changes certain provinces, but it wasn't an intolerably huge problem to look out for. but i think that the smaller parties may payroll because their calls are full, very full, very rounded conversations to be had about community based issues. and the 2021 local government election showed us that those issues as well. what people seats in councils and then municipalities around the country. and i don't see, i don't see

a way in which those current, when again, in other national provincial level independent cabinets is going to be interesting because as much as the very few of them. and they can only have one seats, the kind of issues that can be tabled in a new parliament with independent candidates for create interest in coalitions moving forward. right. so a lot that's look forward to, we can speak to see how the election unraveled. thank you. so much for your time, kind of well 90 fellow, just as i said, and also on at least no idea what is the weight. so for the district debate, i had promised you that we're going to get a v. i p. 12 of the township, and that's exactly what's coming up. thanks to discuss the artist, the thoughts. hello. this is samsung kaplan, known as science at 911, i'm a street address as to where come to load when it comes to. so a born and bred in

celestial sense, with ne, reflect the back of his hand from the poor part of clips down to the more a market area or the plot. the window is the melting pulse of old works of life. but for what i have a dock history, he was created back in 19 thirty's, with the south african government started separating black people from white people . today, the eclectic township is the country's largest of its kind. sense, though is a well known face in this neighborhood. he always felt this morning with a visit to mamma tempest. so make a lot of created a lot of parts is a way to, to me, it takes and shapes. since it was no strangers to this kind of work, he used to wake up every morning at 4 am to peel potatoes. he and his grandmother would sell the food to work, has commuting to johanna's book. shops like these are the beating heart of business, influential. and this is the symbol affects the people growing up in

the sense those passion for us blossomed, in the middle of apartheid. he began by painting free, then jealous signs on any blank wall he could find. he went on to study art in switzerland, but decided to return to use the lubbock rachel. today you can spell his trademark colorful, eyes all across the city, including on the i caught a e, a to cinema. today. it's a ruined but back in the day it was one of the only places with black people could watch movies. yes. include much of a voice, including or see anything to the government, but you always on the streets and writing 17 preaching that you may visit language and see, you know, we are not happy with the system so which i played a pivotal role in the eventual down full of all tied sense i ponds as the legacy of the so what, who uprisings at the head to peterson memorial way,

hundreds of school children were gone down. my police in 1976, that's the symbol that's representing my heart. i am here today. i'm free, i know my rights because of my uncles in my mind as my front desk will forward for us so that you can have a bed tonight. south africans now come together to celebrate freedom day commemorating the 1st post apartheid elections held in 1994 cents when his friends mark the occasion at a club neighbor's home as well, that brings us to the end of a very special show here in johannesburg. thank you for your company and you don't want to tell us what you think we love hearing from you. why don't you write to us and you know where to find other shows don't you to you would instagram on 6 of the,

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