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double cross or emphasizing the award winning offer is available worldwide for every language level. learning gem and has been since the so how was it possible that the home of the german musical profession and the stablish buttons turned overnight into not secure that rate. the 4th thing, that sort of thing that gave us 1st class performances that are still admired.
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today. we're all gone down the and now she gets one madhouse, viviana for the moment, sitting it's part of the german culture. jewish prison is performing most thoughts and schumann and beethoven. so the german god and nazis, the nazi, succeeded in destroying many things. that music, you can't destroy the fact of what you can try that it seems possible the
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just pushed on you to alaska, on the dodge agreed in on the bus loan, specializing because of that sort of like a valid conversion. come off our scripts. yeah, we haven't got much. we suddenly heard an announcement, an english of english conversation. you
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know, i can't remember exactly how it went, but it said we were supposed to stay where we were is in, when the british came, they had no idea what they would find. they thought they were liberating a prison camera. but this was an to prison account. it was a pit of corpse. it's any lice and go back laughlin business. the car from look longer to time is in the end, you know, those bus lava 5 mentions your information is, is for mentions instead of providing candace mitchell. because from my advice, i could pop vasta 5 off of on get on the vesta dimensions and federal sits or the flu is not going to come. a hot in for me to stop late to be your free lunch about situate. but for some it was too late to observe. that's how it was. it was indescribable. suddenly here's where i live. yeah.
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one of the conversations that you've probably had dental based description of both 5 them for both of those and was unimaginable image. yeah. over an a ton of ground, lay dead and dying people could not see you, which was which, except perhaps by a convulsive movement or the last quiver of aside from a living skeleton too weak to move. this dan tells me what's the most horrible of my life this kind come the size of the eventual commission have the funds for reason i'll show you happens the think of right. give us, give us more noise, this kind of a kind of one kind of media come into it gives us, i'm built for my nose wrist as a video of my sisters and talking to
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a british soldier. and that's another of 3 goods and walking back to the campus i got too low for me on is business that to me, to speak to him the mission, management of at kaiser and have been pretty efficient. i think we have a frontier edition fix. the problem i'm going to call is it's right after the session or not meg, is there a number? i was sitting somewhere and someone told me there was a jeep or something from the bbc. they want to interview people, and that i should go over time out in the to, to come up with my 1st encounter with a microphone dining mickle. thomas smarter to ask about the polished with saddle. i should say actually will continue to use and publish the cost of air conditioning problems. or specify auction is the type of event because when dimensions name and square that the wrong highly recommended this for blocker,
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that's about it in almost equinox is that's the function. and we kept in the course box, the bottom, a z comma, or some juniors back in my mind of chapter safe my grandmother's life. so that was always somehow in the atmosphere of the family story. the still distractions and teams experiences for i'm of died in us this it was just up
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to piece that was quoting. and yet the thing with the youngest button to exit the off to the 2nd load, more german conductor vill him for thing. this career was also on the brink of ruin the victorious pa, so him as hypnos. maestro, he was banned from performing and did 1946 was brought before the knots vacation tribunal. 4th thing that faced uncomfortable questions. once he and nazi, did he bet any guilt? why hadn't he left german the in 1947. the tribunal classified for things as a follow, a category that carried no penalty. the soon began performing again with the
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balance, the monic and his return to the stage was a great success. the the
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home for things was born in berlin, in 1896, his musical career to call such an early age of 20. he was already conducting symphony orchestras. this is so this is so powerful and i say this as someone in the same profession, i gotta keep, it doesn't get better than that. you think sometimes i think if someone can conduct like that, then maybe i should just pack up and quit. that's not really a nice feeling in listening to 4th thing that elicits everything from profound exhilaration to the sense of being completely insignificant and powerless. the guns flying with must close to the establish on this test. i do believe something emanated from him. something extraordinary is on the list that transcended the music,
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something deeply human accessed. and then when he stepped on to the stage, you have this sudden sense of ratcliffe on site and then and truly inhabited to separate well this bonds use, it's 58. the use of the genius of the musician, but he is part of the german people and he has no particular sympathy for the victims of the country. the only person or people that the 4th thing feels indeed pity for is full. he says the occupied germans, the way we are suffering no under under, under the occupation of foreign on these, the way they are making the sofa. the
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in the early 19 thirty's, germany was considered the land of music with a rich tapestry of sounds like music, jazz, classical music, i'm contemporary compositions were all very popular. this musical diversity ended when the national socialists came to power in january 1933. the new life chancellor adulthood took control of parliament within weeks and appointed himself the few of them. and he also set the tone for the nation's music, the cause it was produced by the wind from the printer. one of just breaking news. do you just give me the beat and we'll just jump into the 1st. i'll be free to go. the 5 side me to the bottom,
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the nazis seized power. in 1933, they immediately launched a series of what have become known as wild purchase excitement, dust, few to all of gwinnett because of those purges and because of the intense and frequent violence on the streets. and even in concert halls, many people in the music profession left germany at this very early stage was a tire also to escape persecution for less than half not in 4 or 5 on the floor ones and the s minister of public, enlightenment and propaganda. joseph governors was responsible for music and culture in the nazi state. soon off of the nazis came to pass, established the rice chamber of council, which included the rice chamber of music membership was compulsory for anyone in the field. and so these institutions allowed doubles to control german count from life and the allocated posts and titles to his office of choice stuck in the
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amount of time and attendance to the president. and then someone to come to the top . cuz that's, that's the name of the steps. do you feel that it's good to come in is i'm good. yeah, i was the time of some but i did then and then i moved. so don't throw this out to the house, to mislead on the whether the all or not that's a good on was he still has to stop. stop. don't do them. first thing last as vice president of the right chamber of music to him for the thing that was ton from an i'm political office to a political figure. he also received the honorary title of pressing state counsellor for things that was so important to the nazis that they put him on the list of got to put canada to office that were gifted by gold. the
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guide testing daughtry's use. it was considered the most german form of our tests to austin, spoke directly from the racial song because it was so important, the stadium bass did a great deal of money and they believed the music shaped to the racial. some of the people we didn't just have an educational quality check, the racial essence of the nation. and we were built in so that us and paying the, the nazis who would say, we are a cultural nation. we are a cultural people,
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you couldn't possibly suspect that way of doing something that was on cultural. this is our justification. we are a nation of culture and culture is i'll cover the, the seats, you know, famous driving for global recognitions, greatness and national pride. when music became so intertwined with race, everything that derived from a foreign rights to be eliminated. oh, succeeding in the job and then it's just the dates and,
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and the died shipments and types of sleep and the diabetes, the queens and the dodson was equal done in dikes and home phone bill. we got up, he going, spoke about the i'm, it's gave it kind of move. it's got the, you, the of the going to go to live into desire to can vote. they have them to be. those items would be the live in set to be life is that kind of thing. and then since you know the problem, yeah, they're going to have you ever conduct glen glen? go said we can spectacularly replace these jewish musicians. we don't need them. most of them, i believe they did, even in germany. yeah. just tell them about it taught staples of so the endorsement, the rest of the around 300 kilometers east of the rise capital in today. the city is called phelps wife and belongs to poland, anita alaska. was born here to a german jewish family in july 1925.
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most of the guns i came down from what was it this time a fairly ordinary family. was the info. so just let us know model it's music was just normal. which item before my, these were the days before we go head televisions, we play music at home and my mother was also a musician, so there was always music just keeps you in bed for me. these though there's a photo of me sitting on the ground with a little brim undercoat, and sheet music in front of me, and i'm pretending to play. he's a trailer to village, i'll be sure to speak to. my parents probably said, i think the child wants to play the child. so they bought me health, very small. one lived in the auto. he says to austin and his mom who's my 1st teacher. but then things became difficult and done long some become as i grew older, i still wanted to play their childhood,
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but there were no cello teachers left in braswell who were willing to teach a jewish child show later on. and by so the and you just just into the room to of what's left recently. and i went to the house to where the house was, walked around the city to imagine the space sooner books of the help of book today . and the university. do you think this was a really culture, direct german jewish family? they're unsafe, they was safe until suddenly a comedy 00. and that's what i'm, he's not the leading district of what was i was sent about and whether we still have jewish ciello teacher who would teach me as well codes that was shortly before the 9th of november. so i was involved in, at the time when i had showed her lessons with legal costs for 6 months, luckily, so down could easy,
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6 more know if it gave me something i could draw and go just about the menus. how did you and then came crystal and left the night of broken glass or did you coast all enough to and my mother called and said, i should come home straight away the house. at that moment everything changed. we realized there was no place for us. but unfortunately, it was too late like this to expect the reason to meet at this tech showed them on from what i was right above to for you guys. mr. investigator, stuff of
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somebody that has to be god. oh, the fascination of photo begins with that with the way that he conducted the way to communicate with musicians. so the ways you communicate typically go ahead and uh, there was nothing like it at the time. but every major conductor, since suddenly every measure conduct a live today has had to absorb something. the 1st thing in order to achieve what they wanted to ask me 6 is long as oh, i'm sorry. it sounded so completely spontaneous. and his freedom with temper radiated such amazing simplicity of calls. you had to submit yourself to his well, is there any of his or include both in just vertical wireless trades up and down
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there because he's conducting is often very your last statement with a great sense of natural. and you have the sense that he was composing the music while conducting a company is there and as doing it as we got the money. and there was no single person who could have been more of an embodiment of german music. if you want to call it that, then foot thing that he was the head of germany's most important orchestras, the berlin philharmonic on this task. and he performed his core repertoire there in a way that was ground breaking and influential sime countertop. that's why is it, does it? yeah. or do you beat and fox the building to lock this on the fire to there was something quite different about it. for you. darker. not as luminous. and yet very powerful, without what you know, while megabyte it is, it had the force of conviction. so it looks divided the
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f bomb waste talked about gm and musical. so they might have been something a little bit too much about it because it was important to him. and so was staying in gemini bly. escape pain starting from clayton. this is the message that you were the person she come is a virtual. i just finished brian titus from the doctor inspection or is that the cost on a fee also came from a family where a conversation revolved around things of great beauty and me to lunch. they talked about michaelangelo,
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so he was extremely knowledgeable about olsby. as of i don't know, but ok and only on the screen when it came to politics. well yeah. the, there's about us to be that sort of effort. and unfortunately, the one thing that was convinced that politics and our war 2 entirely separate entities, windows and that because music embodies internal values in a sense and transcends day to day politics. it was obvious that music had to be free of political influence. and does he disobedience of guys i most from courtney to science was not propaganda minister gerbils salt under control. even indians this made the berlin philharmonic orchestra older, more important to him in 1933. the privately run on sambal wasn't financial difficulty. goes national as the philharmonic and turned it into the rise orchestra,
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saving the jobs of the musicians. but there were full jewish musicians among them, including concept mazda, she mounted gold pan, sped in fair and off the con, you know, that in these 4 cases, the musicians were subjected to increasing pressure, in order for their contracts were simply not extended. so to see them, they were all pushed down to the orchestra by 1935 at the latest orchestra and also the vill home for the things i backed the musicians. but the pressure from the regime was to great shame on gold bag and the other jewish musicians of the building for them on a left germany to escape the nazi dictatorship dom bond, but on bond. but um, but other than that, i'll just be glad i get right into be noted by the
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in 1934 foot thing that stood up for compose a pound increment for 750 mathis. the amount that he planned to perform with above and philharmonic. what followed was a power struggle with gerbils before bade the concept denazi's found hand them its modern style of music. unacceptable. unfortunately, the la who had made these one stand against the regime on this thing on this one on this item. and the value for the product never had another confrontation with the regime. they simply stared him down and he was too afraid for his position that i am for his personal interest ever again to stand up the good those left alone to the under pressure from the nazis. 4th thing that came to a decision is step down as leader of the button for them on a, conduct
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a at the stage opera, and vice president of the rice chamber of music, the doubles manipulates, in an almost felt stim fashion. and the relationship between fortunately, the double society, mushy, the false immunization tree that's out here. if you want to find is the state that and participated in his own way through music was the kind of the by spring 1935 to him for thing the was back on stage, conducting the balance for the money he was rehabilitated. and once again, celebrated by audiences and high ranking nazis the
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and so he makes, he's packed with the devil. this is the deal. he stays in germany. he doesn't make waves. he conducts for the nazis, whatever they want him to conduct. he conducts in front of the huge swastika he is morally degenerate. the the the, when the nazis came to power in 1933, germany had around 65000000 inhabitants. about half a 1000000 of home with german jews. a so called non ariens.
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they were dismissed from the workforce. almost old german jewish musicians lost their jobs. the phoenix had given very few people have the financial means to emigrate them. but there was a hugely expensive undertaking by few investments. and many people also identified with germany on the dodge land. the was where they lived and worked many for decades. and they identified very strongly with that. and fox, yes, dr. mcgee, didn't even see it on the, in 1933 unemployed jewish office to establish the control button. don't insure you the cultural association of german jews. it was a kind of self help organization that enabled jewish musicians to continue performing with the own orchestra's and on sambal. alongside bell in munich was the
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hub of this cultural life. or does that sound on these include tobin as does the interesting thing about these cultural associations? was that for a long time, some form of jewish cultural live continued to exist in nazi germany. and of course, that was kept entirely separate and under the firm control of the nazis awesome. but it did make it possible for jews to perform works that were drawn from the german musical tradition, while at the same time renegotiating their jewish identity, excited quantity of interest in detach. i found the defendants as you want to know. it's an odd and this is still where the main shopping area is today. knowing how is that and causing this process to get in. and on this side street until 1938. that's where the main synagogue was, where major symphony concerts took place and the concept of stuff from the internet. we met about an ad so helped and
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right by the main synagogue. there were at least 2 jewish music shops aware of until the mid 1930 is you could still buy recordings by jewish artist hoffman content with them on one part glasses and just a few streets further on pull manadis processed on you'd find the police reports. yeah. which hosted smaller concerts for the jewish cultural association to the invitation to construct the for the e. give, with us you own, in deep rotation students, johnson honest. until 1942. it's known that science, it's the guns associated lunch and each one was different. good. some people who snatched from the street in, okay, sounds parents received and left at telling them to report somewhere within 24 hours. but only my parents, not me,
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your renata initiative or not to. and of course, we wanted to go without parents for assistance in retrospect to come. i think i know what my father did. he told us he'd go to the gustavo and asked for the mission chase. we lived nearby window allowed. and as far as looking back, i suspect that my father went out side and walked around the block a time or 2 and returned to the book and then simply told us they didn't give us permission to go with some devices involved. i guess i can still hear his wise words. he said, where we are going, you will join us soon enough and we survived. and they didn't that sound like the last 2 of us. yeah. after the deportation of the parents need to alaska, and her sister renata was sent to a jewish wolf and itching press, now they were just forced labor. as in a paper factory. it was here that they help french prisoners of war to escape with forge documents. they were discovered and put on trial,
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but i sure can. i'm cortez criminals was sent to trial juice will not. it is. so we were actually lucky to be in prison for adoption. yeah, yeah. and giving notice sent straight to auschwitz. now she is she 2 in? so yes, what is the phone this i'm just about finished. best of all this is diane has john soaks house is on the top down to saint paul says, now i'm the test jones. off the model is 5 and the 4th fast to going to touch one, florida. i wish this. do you think this about the prisons where the crowd, boston, jews were taking up space. so they sent me to offsets and you know, 60, she told me that i didn't have my full sentence signed. i even wondered if i would have to make amends for that. when i returned to germany and managed off ended up because that's now that the
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damage which the bundle. nitrous i'll shoot you tonight. then we use what i'll shoot. it's meant we went back to the magic. toughest of the yes you did was clear . this was the end stations committed by others on this as fun, but everything always happens differently from what you expect. right. in the next, i arrived at our shirts at night. the next morning was the intake process. and we'll see, you know, song that was very different. the way i arrived at auschwitz underway, old and rain prison, as arrived at chicago on those huge transports. there was always a selection committee who decided who would go to the gas chamber and who wouldn't the was because of that, that gets guidance because i was bad that because there were only about 10 of us criminals or to publish it. yeah. it's mission includes the speech baldwin. you'd like him doing it in our subscriptions, in that one is that i'm going to have models cuz yet what, how does an a new man i'm, i'm to view one dog,
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a shot for it. and as of on feeling, this is what happened next. prison, i'm scary dot the intake process. and most of this guy looked prisoner asked me, what's your name? where are you from? do you know how long it will last? we would trashing base or try b? not signed, but of course i been in prison for dollars and then she told me she asked what i used to do. and i said, i play the shadow there. must. the channel dispute? dusty should fantastic. she said there's an orchestra in the station. i was naked with a toothbrush, that was a great kindness. she pushed the tooth brush in my hand and said, stay here and wait for the time she fetched the orchestra director jose, he's wicked off when we get a competitor, mice doesn't. frontier is a capella gold. and that's why the, i don't know is a wish we have a guy stuff she was through. finally, she had a challenge for the orchestra, scott, the dean or janice richard died. ida arrive at just at the right moment. fantastic
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. we had this peculiar conversation. i was the nature of jose asked me wherever and with whom i had studied. she said, i had took warranty, but they'd come and get me suited to that. and that's how i drawing the orchestra. but we have a whole new study about up and so, but she ended up in a come a hi, the mountains on these different bands that they gave to me in the i do think there's anything militant or aggressive of very good music. so i don't see wagner as the middle line in the music that he composes. he doesn't,
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he is a composer. he's trying to create great click the plus that i'm fussing and fascinating is that this music completely absorbs you finish. and that's the precise thing. it's also been accused of those funny yeah, for the darkness was the softness, music appeared to coincide quite well with the idea on that you have national socialism, us at all states as worship. yvonne was the driving force behind driving to cost the which i talked about fuzzy salish, some of which had wagner was certainly aware of music, can express the state of mind of soul,
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but an actual opinion that something rather different. a line on which the house find freight in the bavarian town or by roy was once the home of reach out fox. today it's a museum that recognizes wagner as both are composed of upfront and off of political writings, such as that's using tomb in the music jewelry in music. the wagner published the text in 18. 51st under a suit and then again under his real name in 18. 69. he shut voc, nova, i'm slum. and on tuesday meet dusk, the industry cottage shut off now was a raging anti semites. torn with us is that everything was set in circles in germany. that was almost a matter of good manners. in them was he gives us, as once behind us say about jews and music history. so because it was an attempt to
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justify in historical times why jews are incapable of producing all sand, take off sources. that guy that i can infuse, have no nation of their own. they can only imitate and impersonate actual culture and language and not if use call to actually produce anything original authentic. this need to attempt issues. of course that's rubbish. like that's not true. but it's where a cultural and theoretical justification of anti semitism was born and torpedo later. if you ask me to dance the real scandal behind fog now, is this i just got it all on by vox not as a shop kind of i have no particular connection to wagner. i've never going to buy right. but i've tried, does he create as a 100 times? it's fantastic music. the man was a genius. i mean, a genius curious, but he was alert, sent through this acre. sure fine. he was an anti semite, but he didn't need to write down or have that poisoned gift of to find that his
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anti semitism went a step to 5. it's an emergency, which is most, it was like a breach in the wall. it was like, it was respectful society. it was cultured society. it was a composer, the highest form of german most as being a composer. it was a german composer saying the 18 rights to be anti semitic. actually, it's quite a central, if you are a gym and supposed to just the, the rice moody target took place in may 1938. and this was all it was a showcase of german music in national socialism. but the event was also intended to disparage what party audiologist called to generate music and audits of mozy.
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the. this was the title of a museum exhibition put together by hon. savannah siegler, the director of the national santa environment. inspired by the degenerate was off exhibition. he presented examples of music that he considered repellent. the sky and the guns deciding so exactly was the general. it was a rather difficult task. and the general taught was all made by abstract autism or autism to disability. the human face, estimated for the position for the south is pretty high in the highest on south what kinds of starch and constant things and how that works. so those are you to kind of must, clint with sign it. and as of now from kids, the bus stop and they want is degenerate music festival. so you could imagine a total of music we think because he blinked the triad was dramatic. a natural come
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on a tunnel. music was jewish music with the auto and the music is to just kind of even all right, the cars are functional or the good to go to the and show that the other one on the do i gave them is the still won't go to another. do an auto or the principal and she was was the da da da da. do to give you a good log and go home when he was able to she wouldn't honor change our truck. jack's ever you see, if it was for the you just guys, being funny is still it was an abusive exhibition. replete with contradictions. no to any jewish musicians were reviled. non jewish ones with 2, such as the austrian catholic composer and chronic. and his jazz opera, johnny speed of which is the the main car and it is a black man, a black jazz musician who seduce is a white woman clicked on. and that was considered right. a font as cost
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musicologist out abreast tuning is a next. but it's on the nazi degenerate music exhibition is documented and annotated the material in a book. and then how about and didn't boost as soon as the comment that the degenerates music brush f, as in boy as a symbol of degeneracy of to generate music. i've taken a blank, jazz musician and african american his music and betrayed him kind as repulsively as possible. peace upstairs does bulging lips and earrings in welding, but also in his tall pants and the towns. fuck, you can't see the towels here. and the big sacks events and saxophone that's the finishing touches, star of david on demand congest, reflects the not the belief that the jews had mazda minded, the infiltration of jazz music into germany, jazz music, this was res. makes any pa, exit all sorts. enter the nonce is res making was degenerate in house. the mission
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across the mission while for the nicest and often the goal is thought you want to be about 3. i'm for this give what started this feel us . and if i ask who i'm good enough to novel studies, there's some thoughts about if i that's barely enough to have ownership. okay. stuff. once a day lights on somebody's inputs, bigler, speed, the 9th has informed me the model, which was cool on the fly. the loop is found to be to take
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a boat 1st contact. if not, if you can switch, i'm and some birthday concerts for hitler. we're a fixture in the annual national socialist calendar kind of runs out on few of us can board 2nd seal. his birthday on april 20th was an important event. and if i and it became the custom that the night before, they would hold a birthday concert. this is in the i'm for i'm and so be not just a board starts the consent, golf in previous years goes that trying to in this foot thing left for the birthday concepts. but he had excused himself on medical grounds in 1942 good. those tribes, he managed to co s foot things into performing with the balance and the money the just have to kind on thomas and we can talk this while you're on top even before i
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knew what the occasion was, i wondered if it's going on there. i think you can just sense something's happening, which is really quite fascinating and was knowing. and as they're practically forced to sit up and take notice after school. today, the concert makes a huge impression on us. but it took place at a time of great on ease and disquiet and stuff different, not the musical performances outstanding, in any case, some called at the concert at the millennium. so i can just send you a 1000 thoughts out the he's a man with a conscience who chooses to suppress his conscience. it was a propaganda event entirely to the taste of yoseph goods and the maestro played along the
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disposition. most of them, most of the face he makes when he shaking hands speaks volumes about it said that he wiped off his hands afterwards. this time. what does a most of it? so you do get a sense that something strange is taking place of would it be to be so sensitive, but he just told himself, do what needs to be done? mazda cx, very deliberate and interpretation of beethoven that evening. that was more profound than maybe even he realized it was much dictates that having never experienced those conditions ourselves. we have to judge, we hooked of a moral line that tells us if something is right or wrong and goes,
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if somebody is good or bad, we have to say, well, what would i have done in that situation or my motives? what are the benefits to me? what are the, what are, what are the detriments i might under multiple threat. i'm not going to lose my life if i don't conduct this concept very, it was best day. and if the answer is no, if you're not going to be thrown into concentration kept because you've done conduct to mind conducting the future. we had about machine instruments several times in mandalay, most one, the top record is a chance to look the event. we will mess the address on um, as soon as you can't imagine what it was like, it was intend orchestra to try can okay step. i don't ask me how she managed to make something else of it. that was acceptable. but if we'd been so
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terrible that it was unbearable, that would be neat and fast. yeah. but as we have ones are indignation. 2 0, model is a, was in her own right. an extraordinary violinist, very successful, have to established a really successful career for herself. 19, twenties, 1913 europe. she also came from a very esteemed musical lynette. so her father, on old rosa, she had been the concertmaster of the vienna philharmonic and he had found at the rose a quartet suitable for the niece of good stuff on the
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making sure that the orchestra was good keeping its quality off was the best way that she could ensure the survival of the orchestra and its members. of course, we don't have any recordings of the orchestra, so it's difficult to know how they sounded, but probably less media. okay. and and less pull in quality than many of the other camp bands through the camp, the germans addressed to as phone. oh my god. so even it was on the hood of we would but she was, oh yeah, i know she hendrick dignity that couldn't be acknowledged. interview the in the 19 thirty's. i'm a real say lead a small women's orchestra called davina vice. amazing. the v in these world singles, she was deported to outfits, buick, and now in 1943. as an experienced director,
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she had to specially arrange the pieces for the camps orchestra. since the selection of musicians and instruments in the next time and nation come, was always down to jobs, the different items rolled to find the jewish people were sort of selective and prepared for being sent for germany. this territory what's called effect in laga. and in the can jargon is was also called canada cannot because for europe and those days cannot doubles the land of plenty. the place of emigration deadlines of milk and honey canada was just here in this direction. the
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. ready the changes you guys are focusing to what you imagine the situation when the deportations begin to. oh, so you have to leave your home in a day or 2 hours straight away but doesn't flip less of it. what do you do? i do believe you're being resettled, dems nice to me. so what do you do? i'm choosing to use your voice on your best shoes, issue, which you fact show a 3 best outfits. and the thing that is most dia, today is there was a habit on an instrument as an instrument because you can't find, then you take your violin. if you play the flute, you take your flute as a real challenge. it would cost. so be back in now,
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and it became one of the wealthiest places in europe. i lose the most valuable objects people couldn't part with pertaining to the i can now a cello, a violin. it was over the, i'm shown the guy here to alice, what? or the investment commander says, here's an objects commander's house motion. i must have assistance. you remember the guide don't stinks. convinced that happened. you mentioned kind of stance on pullover buttons that side to stick. a number of this big take me to give them the size dimension f one from list the
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in the morning after the morning go 10, they have to drive their chairs and instruments and they are, were climbing for this little squire, which is dressing next to the main entrance and they started to play the marches, marches which were well known they were made anytime the german music. 2 2 2 2 in thousands of thousands of prisoners, much down to with the factories and the same thing in the evening of the settlement the, the idea was done, the number was to be correct. the same number of those who lived there. kemp has to be back in the evenings. if somebody died, get him to work usually will just murders. yeah,
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i think the work was unable to walk eh, her status because the prisoner was beaten. well, so because we divide the other prisoners as a this, that this 6 where it will be corrected when vanessa baptist bought, when that was over, we went back to the block and just devoured the sheet music we had to the repertoire because the account. so it's on a sunday, and so we sat down somewhere in the content, various places, and played for the amusement of the gods. so i'm using my own to the present, screwed also hear us. they didn't to react the same way or some, it was an insult. but i've also read this is allowed others to dream themselves. entre if that how if only for a few minutes, almost all americans and probably not noticed. i had it
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when i visited our streets, i knew that i wanted to see block 12 with the music club course. i remembered from grandma's book that had block was near the room where the selections took place. and it was, as she's said, basically next to the from the time i went and i spent some time minded that often that when you fits funds, which may definitely have come in and i'm in different communities of stuff the funding found. i have alex and i as in an ultimate and he's in a stand on often on come on down to my uncles to kind of thoughts on that. i'm currently using an older kid. that's how much cracked that's alta when he gives one type
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pushed on one discipline. i'm coming if you're looking for the lighting, i'm to gain the siding damage, which one is full time run this afternoon this afternoon that i to up to the rice skiing, fresh, clean, high moving. i'm coming now. that's on to, that's for you up to some of the major part which let's say to, to our right it left hand side as well. that was where they were sitting and they were practicing. and we may see the location of the building is it's still neighboring the can. that is also neighboring to the fence to the wire. and just behind the wire, there was the unloading platform. so in fact,
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when they were practicing to some people for on the platform, they could hear the music, the it is rough or come, it was perfectly normal for someone higher wrong to come to block and demand to have something played for them because of order only for said, i give you said dr. manually shakes. disposition that pro, showing the size of off the phone, often becomes 2 blocks seen in our schmidt's properties, experimenting and much of it's difficult to get to the phone. besides,
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some of them experimented you might have missed fine since the conflict was really volume. god if we can get some. 2 mentioning and so i don't want it to going down and explain the from 1943 to 1945 use as many of the words on this as come jump to an automated spear came out. he was responsible for the murder of tens of thousands of people wasn't able to do to me. i wanted to hear humans to him. all right, so i paid it as fast as possible. i didn't look at the man just get out and location of those viable. i wrote about that later because it's interesting to note that these people, people like many of the, were not on educators to wouldn't get billed at north haven. he knew the pizza, such as i today, people ask me, how can you still play schuman go to lunch with is
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a split that city to yeah. how did you feel? yeah, i didn't feel anything. yeah, i guess out the door. i just completely lose my identity. they'd say get the challenge, not a tennis to the tennis t. i was the only one very lucky some click on the the show us or yeah, i conducted him by heart by 18 years of service. i was very friendly with loves con
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wagner. his grandson on the menu showed me on this go, which measures brought to attend to the field was on the field. i know. sorry. name of the fine roy. host the buck the festival. every year. enjoying the nazi era. it was a utmost importance since we found wagner was out of helpless favorite composer. the split device is not offended ryan. she is always eminent with fondness. i don't think we should be permitted to separate his work from the history of its reception. from getting hacked and audiology. that's what people trying to do. they say, well, yes, hipaa and all of that. that was terrible. he's a good, but the music is defined in was he is good place. yeah, the music is defined website as i am convinced that you can and may only be a love a wagner and have a clear conscience. but if you're willing to confront that,
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all that aspect and truly grapple with it, all the stuff it's recording frontier. yeah. does that mean to dana the when and the i mean 2 o'clock, i think that's what as which of these different dates often on have it kind of decided to stick with didn't suit english. got it. would you mind once that's not like a low cost to get it acting up to i've been rico and wagner, his daughter in law, vin of fried wagner, began directing the by roy festival in 1930. the in defining the obviously above act. no, she and hit uh, just go to long and well on the same page when it came to wagner and buy white glove. um then they became close. friendly,
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50 bucks. us also us be that as that's from. but hitler also went to buy high because the vulcan is when like family to disrupt the family. he never had. i always try. it was his way of getting away from me to him for guns reach the bestbuy. and i do think it's important to acknowledge this particular feed, the human dimension kite, via the terrible thing is that a man who was basically a failed autism and phyllis time government was able to plunge the entire world into k. c. gotten surveyed, it's causing nonsense. hitler might be closer to us today than we can to believe to nea as was like 70 percent of the mosquito equinox, was everything to him, usually spoke about it constantly doing,
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especially if he was also a knowledgeable about parents with the value of the piece as well, to know why it's not the whole scanning font, and i used to tell me how he and his brother be and have to sit 5 is in place right here. and listen to hitler often late into the 92 of them that's getting into all of this new fluid involved and store. the hitler's presence at the festival was also a political statement. and one that was understood international office like autonomy and conductor arturo toscanini cancelled their appearances. jewish office will no longer welcome to put all those what on the tubs by 1943 to him for the thing that had conducted up the festival. 6 times to thoughts i ceased young of when i talked to all fiddler had habit of going
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backstage off to our performance, which is unusual for a politician who to as much. but that's why he felt like an artist among artists. and he liked that of on a, to the office with science it and on the field i had come and spoken to them and shaking their hands and sign them and so forth. but they were in shante. that's fine. you know, tracing the vice on one of these occasions because he ended up meeting foot. thanks so much as i'm to have some reporting back a call the the my dentist told me that i went ahead and put 1000 different site and it just started because often
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standing in 1914 the event in by roy became of the nazis now called the war festival and vog, this music became part of the war and propaganda machinery venue slate back. no voice was initially talking originally argued in save of cancelling defense to hold the cost of the war, which they've done during the 1st was well, that's why, but hitler didn't run by boss extreme. hitler was determined that by how it shows up as the grand foundation of the national socialist control project tool. but this was a matter of propaganda. even though by then he'd let himself hardly ever attend hesitate to make a compass. since the start of the war, the wagner festival was financed by the nazi organization strength through joint. it was also responsible for recreational programs, for them on the this
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meant that the audience was almost exclusively soldiers live. classical music was also performed in factories to maintain military monroe the item and it was better, you know, you must be back as steve and it was on the part of the for the, and ask you mind shelf across those florida and started on back to 1000 content that's not the input thing that you didn't get that fair enough you'd. i'm owner's office though. you're here i'm, that's my studying of course, views on the because the,
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[000:00:00;00] the most eaters most mostly from climate, from them and even the smartest clinging to i. what's important to understand is that this music serves the purpose of propaganda funds and not only the music itself, but the framework under which it took place to this mark. there certainly were people in the audience who attended and listened. surely for the artistic enjoyment, despite the war and escape the grim reality of war time, however briefly through musing will seek and be seen to be on the test on. ultimately these performances suggested that music was simply another way to carry on much of that. so by just even if the world was collapsing around the attendance or do you have the most of the eyes because they not do
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the 2 outside in the designs makes different sites and getting document. i'm out the door to stop ceilings is to find the types of mazda time and it's full time, and i invested in some of them to get the auto body w. as in microsoft involving truck saying, that starts that's close to elevate them. phone numbers doesn't drive between us and starts a quarterly phone. i'm single when that happens, once they've got the cycle become assigned us even type his enough nonsense enough for you. how can i be that as late as 1940 for the funeral march? some of the go to them, of them was still being recorded and then in 1944,
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when all resources were supposedly going toward what the regime called a total war. i mean, obviously the state must have had a reason to want to go ahead with these recordings until almost the bitter end us some indian unsympathetic the we know that they will orchestra's in most of the main concentration camps. does all have its own orchestra's, like some housing books involved. and of course,
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in hospice, there was not one but 5 orchestra's just in the main camp complex. so we know that orchestra's was very much an integral part of camp. los van closet does show piece we with the show. if someone said the red cross came to make sure all shipments was truly just an order and recap, they didn't show them the gas chambers. they showed the us on because we look relatively decent though, isn't music. so it must all be fine. guns about the whole thing was a colossal deception. colorado. we need to be doing that before i am cried the the
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the to the start with a so called model ghetto model. cam. it's, it's a small fortress town outside of prague and was established by the nazis really to demonstrate to the world. what a fantastic last use was living under nazi internment, denazi's and knowledge, and very fully fledged musical life to develop in the camp and very famous me. so it was cultural activities and musical activities formed the basis for a large part of the propaganda film that was filmed, the fewer donates a town to the jews,
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the very late because 1944, i mean it was no secret to anybody. finally, the red cross, what was happening, what the, what the nazis were doing against jewish people and seemed to you in roman homosexuals and everybody else. so i don't know why they even fathered, making this phone. i mean, most jews were killed by the, in any way the and of course what happens to many of those musicians and many of those performance in the film is lips shortly after they had done they work. they too were placed on the transports. that was sent off to ask the
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same mentality, bought the idea of national socialism is a cultural phenomenon. and even among those that we are measuring, we still want them to make music for us to this mentality. so perverse, it's almost beyond comprehension. but gigi is essential, it is integral to the way that the hitler couples kimbler state function, the music of the arts, what to be used as part of somebody to machine, the rehearsals for a holocaust memorial day concept in london. the grandson of anita alaska, of unofficial rage at the program. simon vile fish is also a genest and to sing a musical highlights of the concept is
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a recreation for the victims of to race in stopped the composers to the border over see right. this in the 1990s, tears and get direction. and she is check, she lives in prague and it brings into contemporary time, a car and compose it, her reflections on the history. oh oh. the who or the
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me the to the bottom of a use is from the very or korean as a sort of fuel line above which then the singer sings of so to come tauriel, jewish was the ducks prayer on top of it. so i'm seeing some, you saw as basically the most strongest jewish crown there is above the very rec pm the, you know,
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i didn't choose to be born in this family and i certainly wouldn't. so somehow, sally, the memory of victims of the holocaust to use that somebody or in building as it were. and i'm very sensitive about that at the same time. if it's such a part of my dna somehow that whatever i end up doing it, it pays upon it. and she was just a very loving grandmother. she still is sooner she would come to every single concert i ever did. i mean, from every school concert to, to today and really you understand everything,
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not every single no boss is asking too much less than ever. yeah. i know when you do that, well, just in between nephew. yeah, no. i'm in the office. i can always fix. i'm just restaurant responds, we accomplish. read them through the fun part of the not feeling better than the sheets. the attention of the couple of clicking get 12 else control huffman toying with this isn't the flight or from michigan, you can drop it off on thursday. preventative he does in the, in 1945 anita and ranada, alaska were liberated, but homeless and state laws. they had to stay in germany for months because no
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country would taken staples as displaced persons immediately after the war. finally, they managed to emigrate to england where they were reunited with the oldest system . money on the to london is where i need to alaska 2nd lives because it was easy for us to speak to my generation then to her own children. because at the time she was in her early to mid twenty's starting a family starting a new life in a new language, she actively did not want to bring up that period of her life. she felt that she wanted to catch up on last time. so she wanted to catch up with her, tell her studies and start her family and get on with her life. the chiller, that's had save time, also brought her back to life. i need to alaska beneficial is
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a cellist and founding member of the english chamber orchestra. she married pianist page of via fish for almost 50 years. she didn't return to germany. in 1996, she wrote her memoir and became known as the challenge device with the food home phone thing. less stayed in germany until shortly before the end of the wall that well i'll put you in. it's easy for him to leave sooner. for example, in 1936 when he was offered the position of conduct of the new york philharmonic as this yeah, that's due to the flow for hobbies. turn to sharing. yeah. okay. i gotcha and stuff . and he finally took himself and his family to safety in switzerland, in february 1945 moment
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off to his. the notification from he began performing again in 1947. for example here of the subs vote festival in 1954. the the let's look at it from a postal perspective. the musical license gemini, had been so complicit in the crimes of the nazi regime that he never looked back. you'd never convinced itself that connects us questions. they carry on as though nothing happened. because as far as, as music is concerned,
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nothing happened the illusion i'm on the wizard, right? man and germany. i don't think people who should presume to judge someone in a situation they counties and a mattress. and i don't blame for 10 glass, not leaving everything behind and going to america. when no one would have known who he was. i mean, like i could congress woke i meant is that so easy? so nice. the filters are also not unless at some damage, we still haven't truly grappled with the question exactly how many jewish musicians were dismissed for your teeth. how big was the political influence, or were people simply willing to be instrumental? lie to you. we still don't have answers to those questions. all right, and these all 50, that's in the teams. campbell, i would ask him to see all these people who suddenly disappeared and why did you think they went to discuss funding?
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it doesn't mind what to after the war. my mother told me that on the radio they often heard about what the allies had found in the concentration camps on and on. and he said to her is we can never be happy again. the need the, the for the bid him for the thing that died in november 1954 at the age of 68. this grave is entitled bag and southwest in germany,
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the in 2018 renata. alaska ha, placed underneath the alaska binding fish. were invited to the german parliament, a son raphael, violet fish plate, the channel, the indian, those bonds from the vin before, via by devotion. so less than the fuss then guns as young would each have take the shrewd and need the deadline. if you say of the items which is it's mine, half alice best go body and then send it to visa beach i purchased for the fee and seen the condition. the house is done. i am behind gift on the left and display distant monthly sensed is i had my m is last devoted fish
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a great deal in the way she's able to talk about what happened in such a straightforward way. i liked her speech quite a lot of us because of the pen. afterwards i wrote her to say i admired what she had to say directly to her connection to the culture for sued for reconciliation. her big heart. yeah, if i this out. so there's something very moving about that i'll see to music also had something to do with it. even the time and i performed for that man. somehow it all goes to demonstrate the power of music. this is you system sizing for dusty music and does it cost out the desolate lice in the is divided into thoughts? you hello does. i don't know how and old in real life or this is the not see
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succeeded in destroying many things. supplement music g, you can't destroy that as soon as you can try, but it's impossible to lose the . 2
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