the words people have to say, that's why we listen to every weekend on d. w. the hello and welcome to the 77 percent. show this week we are in johannesburg, south africa as a country. what is itself? a new story collection. so 2 years up to apartheid, my name is edith kimani. welcome to the show. the now touching is a growing 1994 south africans drawn from all backgrounds and races, custody of both in the 1st free and democratic elections. this like the end of the oppressive apostolic regime and it brought so it's out because 1st of all, practically elected president nelson mandela into power. so today we're here to

find out that 2 years later, how has the political space in south africa changed? we use we take a look back at those african history and what the doctor today. last week debates we find out what young people think of spot to facilitate and will take you on a v i p to arouse the west of but 1st we wanted to look back at what those 1st elections in 1994 really meant to people and we'll do this, we have a very personal account, but also topic and correspondence. diane hawkins. i still remember the date clearly, even though i was only 10 years old. for this feeling of excitement and joy in the country, i want to remember most communities, my grandmother, ruth elizabeth, to 75 years old. and it was the 1st time that she was allowed to vote. she went to the town hall with my aunt. and i remember her telling me that she was nervous and

excited. she had put aside so she needed some help, mocking her brother's paper. but she did it any way. she had lived most of her life and parties. so this day was something special, something historical, even under partridge. she and everyone else wasn't white with not allowed to vote, but this wasn't the only right that my grandmother didn't have. for example, she wasn't allowed to buy a home in certain areas. her family was forcibly moved to the child sky homeland, which was an area designated for black people only. and my grandmother couldn't go to white's only schools or university, and she was not allowed to get sick and jobs. in 1994 south africa took a new direction off the long side for liberation. all side africans were given equal right. on the 27th of april, we watched news reports of voting across the country and for long snaking twos of

people waiting for hours to exercise the democratic rights. i remember everyone seemed excited being happy on that day, but i also remember that there was some, yes about political violence that was happening at the time, and threats from some organizations that didn't want to see change. my grandmother passed away in 2017 and in her life time, she experienced 2 decades of democracy. it made a difference in her life. apart from being able to vote. she was also able to get a pension from the government and she was able to move to an area which she would never have in allowed to live in under punch. it now is an effort to marks the 2 years of democracy. have to wonder what her life would have been like if she had been free. well then, thank you so much for that support. now you might be wondering how south africa went from the country that it was in $94.00 to the country that we know each as today. we've had this overview which might help explain that. and is there any in

south africa we might have stopped you on the street to ask what you mean issues and good selection of and that's exactly what you're about to watch. south africa. and so going to the piece and out of $10.00 to $7.00 meetings, registered voters, 42 percent under the age of $39.00. so our young people going to both of them. are you going to? yes, very hard for me to still make a choice in terms of you know who i'm voting for and i'm not interested. i'm not sure shame, mitchell, mitchell, but i feel like it is my i was was really to like to go to that they, they can be changeable in the south african economy, but i will see, i know the vote does have a value i one line terms of the c things and eccentric picture in terms of, you know, that democracy around it. but, you know,

obviously want that change. you want them feel like you both did something. somebody's estimated that less than half of south africa students will cost vote. but who to vote for a while there is that wide range of political proxies, these uh, some of the top contender, the n c with incumbent president, serial room of who is the optics help the main or position democratic alliance with john dean hayes. and what's a strong in the west in tape the economic feed on fights, s e f f with fire brand, julio, small lima. and what's them on a list call in the possible can make up ex president jacobs who month. and his, i'm going to with these, we have patsy, but wait luma, who was out that form of government in a both of no confidence due to his involvement scheme. that corruption scandal is not actually on the ballot as a candidate. his party, however, has type some support in his home probing so positively natasha. while these

elections mock 30 years of democracy slot, or because it's publicly strong applicant, must not congress or a n. c is more and bustle. the never the reasons in recent years, south of custody, the ship was implicated in several coffins candles, most notably the influence of private business people on the government, on what is known as pitts cup top and corruption scandal involving disputes, run electricity provide up leaving south africans in the docs to talk with all sorts of the goss, one of the world's highest unemployment rates as to 32 percent. the gap between the rich and poll remains high. and while some of the demands that students called for box in 2015 were met. many units asked is struggling to get access to the education . but beyond policy politics, we wanted to hear what issues you think are important. and the, since i'm a student is facing any challenges, yay,

physically in this sense here is doing as fit. so i feel like government could do something regarding the in this past issue. yeah. i'd say on employment, but like that has been an issue for a while and i don't think the change can just easily happen over just and it makes it. and then let's say that from party wednesday, i think they over, they need 5 to 10 years to have that unemployment rate, you know, decrease iris. you've got to maintain like clean the streets and everything. yeah. so better that you opened for most i'm sit among students for most 15 minutes. also give a play house a health case such as hospitals attend to patients as well. and then also um attend to people's needs. cuz i don't think we're really heard of the what's important to me is the basic education and the improvement of rural areas. and they inforcement of the participation in

improving the future off because oh, and youth engagement is improving the future of the country. so we've had from a number of young voters there, but of course we have a lot more prepared for you, including from last week debate we went to west to which is the hotline of use for existence, home to nelson mandela. and so many of the anti apartheid leaders, and we asked young south africans whether they be leaving the political leadership of this country, the hello and welcome back to the said, we just have a blessed day. it's trick debate. my name is edith kimani, and this week we a back in the gorgeous city of the highest, but in south africa. now this country goes to the poles of the end of me for the 1st time ever in the country, democratic history, and is over $350.00 registered political part to the people. surely how long it is to choose from. but today we're asking those political parties are present to the issues of the youth who brought to us

a discussion for me that some from south africa. and i wanna start with someone who's just 19 to just give me a picture of what south africa is at the moment, the issue, the budget issues for the youth right now, what are the, let's see. so that's it. as a country that is on fire, people in our country right now, suffering because of high rates of unemployment, gender based violence, criminality and crime is at a rates that is unprecedented in democratic south africa for young people. people who are going to have to build our lives in the next 51015 years right now someone my age 19 for us it's pertinent that'd be between addressing these issues because they're the ones that are going to impact the type of lifestyle. my family was have when i began having a family so so, so if we could just celebrate to 30 years of democracy, do you feel like those promises that were made and 94 have also have gone down the dream some of materialize. but the ones that were most important to people like equity, justice, economic justice, those have not been materialized in our society. go just a few kilometers away from here to alexander the ascension. you know,

you see the disparity, the one in has high rises, has manicured loans. people that don't worry about what they're going to each tomorrow morning. on the other end, you have people who are trying to decide whether or not they'll be able to pay their rent or pay for transport to get to work or will be able to feed themselves and their children. yeah, and it's against this backdrop, the to going to the pools, as i mentioned, for the 5th time. so wellington, you were present the youth league of the and see the pots about spring up the hill for the last 30 years. when you hear somebody like what seem to speaking like this, do you think your party has done enough in those? he is all pets. he has done what includes all this time and everything doesn't seem as what it is you cause all those miniature laws and all those big buildings speak . somebody with incense in and, and alexandra did the contrast between the 2, the people that are from alexander to get work from the, the, is some sort of immigration to get to see, to send me these the. but what you can say is that,

that it might be as low as how the l. o, o, o l o or the reason party has been doing things. but did, it's nothing to say there's nothing been done. i'll come back to you on what exactly you've been doing, but somebody who might have a different view is phase one of the new partners. in fact, brand new horizons on see, do you believe, wellington, the thing that we all, one of the most an equal countries in the world, the people who are most effective to use a woman and all black. and it's just, it's use of male administration and corruption within the political parties. and it's the reason why a rise on so you have started started by a group of south africans who haven't found a political home. the tutti represents our interests and aspirations of, of this country. okay? so let me speak to what kids were here for a 2nd because you were working with an organization that sort of looking at things from a but i view which site is more representative of west south africans for young people

active when people care about this country. right, but i think for me, what i think i would love to political parties to consider is actually do not politicize public participation process of young people, you know, care more about the britain, but to issue all right, can i feed my friend? do i have a decent school to go to after i finish with employment thing with the university or high school? you know, do i have a job that is guaranteed from right? okay. yeah. let me ask uh the people who are at the back. how many of you intend to vote by sure of hands? let's see. you didn't raise your hand. can you tell me why i wouldn't be able to vote because that different templates curve, hudson done for full cd our policies. and i know it said, you know, i'm, it says here and we ask, dragging is laid to you. so let's say you are, i would say a champion of a n c, a very big supporter. and when you hear a young fellow like this thing, the n c, the people who are in power, they're not really working for us. what would possess you wouldn't like us to

continue voting for the n c. so for me, i look at what the agency have done. i look at the track record in terms of how have they been able to transform society from a space where there was 0 participation of black people in the key sectors of the economy. to know this expanded participation does more black people. there's a rising middle class of much black people. there's more back people that are getting educated. and so what we must remember is that um, this imperative to transform society that the nc promised in 1994 with a difficult job that they had to do the promise that people and they've tried to go looks and deliver results. so let's say let's come back to the issues again for young people. what are some of the things for you that it's so critical? locating these to good results, unemployment needs to be results. these are key issues that are holding. so that for got back into the holding young people back, you know, be sure all of this took about 3rd forces. i mean, it's not the, the forces that lead to the destruction of s comment, the breakdown of reduce the of but to be able to see that it was crony,

as it was favoring of people that are in the same circles as the people in power that has to lend from the top, but when the top is compromised, what is their left? so let's have some solutions. what needs to be done now by the pa to by the people of south africa to make this a country the to wants. it is important to show up to vote because of what it does is that, you know, it makes it difficult for the political parties who are here and even independent candidates, because i think we do most of the justices young people to only talk about, you know, uh, the utah potty, the pre parties, the writ potty and the people party who must also emphasize in those in gauge with independent candidates. because i think oftentimes even the messaging around you know, voting and sort of particularly in this country with young people. it only ends the boat and vote for us and all those things. and sometimes you find that again, resources have been politicized with some political parties. we engage with them. people will say, you know, we've been told that you must vote for this part because they'll give us jobs. but i'm going to encourage all of us. you have young people,

it doesn't stop there. we must follow up on the vote. muscle up on those 2 months that we made to save you some might do months as we did the right. and, you know, i'm following up. i know you mentioned the political process seems to end on the day of the election for most young people. what can young people, i mean, the political part is due to move the country forward. i think it's got hate. you need to have this entire of everything because you, you put young man and remaining but i mean for the nothing quite ups. i'm covers. it covers the disability read, read typical, and it you get, it seems to be jersey is the 2nd one. and also we need to get started. ok. all right, let's do it for phase. like what do you think the country needs? so my brother said corruption to self of corruption is to prevent it. so the way how hire and fire all politician, it needs to be according to what culture. so a senior leaderships like the head of police commissioner or the geez, will have a numerous power to bring change with they need to go to undergo a transparent approved to a transparent interview, processed by an independent panel. so then the public can politically scrutinize,

the 2nd thing is procure, i'll procurement system is with the cause of corruption live. and so we're saying that we need to introduce technology like block chain to be able to transparently see who is getting the tender, how many people have fitted. and if they continue to see if i use uh who have been getting the 10 does, the public are able to easily be to hold some people accountable, willing to let me hear from you as to the other of just electives to stay and not just the mistake because you wouldn't, i think it's the mystic edits you, if you have a pistol edit you obviously, you know, going to, if you ever bring up the finding information and finding all these things, once you've h yourself fight, you know, better outcome. you say you're not being supported if you did even try. so we started this debates with what's the and i want to conclude with him, right. what do you think your people, when doing pa, to, when do a politics? what are the things that you want to see? what i see better accountability? let us bit talk to report that lives people that are still in government. nothing's been actioned on it. we just want to functional countries. we just want to live

harmonious. we just want to live in a country that reflects the vision that was set, talked when we reached 1994 and it was set that our worst days were behind us. we can feel that the nation is on auto pilot. and the people running into opposition to people running just generally in the selection. none of them inspire us to feel that stuff is going to be fits. she says to us don't be pessimistic. but we're only pessimistic because of the paying attention for the last 2 years. well, that's a beautiful place of green as it sounds. it is a great place to rock this debate. thank you all for watching. i do like what you said. it was not which cat gets into government so long as that come, come catch the mice. thank you for watching the so thank you so much to everyone who participated in last week debate. we really appreciate your insights, but i wanted to contextualize that conversation a little bit more and i'm going to buy fellow done list and, and the list kind of 190. thank you for joining us. thank. having me. so we've just

had the views of young people day and so went to and i was just curious, you know, talking about nelson mandela's dream. if you want to wake up today and just to a task because it's become, do you think you would be impressed or not? i think you would be the best, the 2 ways of taking the, he'd been pressed by the fact that is a multiplicity, and they are diverse options on the table for young people to look at. i think you'd be very proud of the fact that young people, despite the fact that the voting behavior doesn't think up with the, the kind of power that they have in their hands, that they're asking questions. and they are being critical of nelson mandela said, and one of his opening speech is after he was released from prison. if the amc does what the apaches government does to remove that. and i don't think the spirit of, of the mind dealing legacy needs to be one where it's just rainbow and glitches. it also needs to have 5 questions that i think young people are asking the hard questions. that's why you have such a such a crystallize voice of, of, of, of, of,

of this disillusionment of not voting. and for those are voting, you know, that they have to mindset of what they need from the politician of the now. yeah. so you talked about 2 groups, the ones were not voting, of the ones who are, and this big number that keeps being repeated 14000000 unregistered voted for. if the trend continues and young people avoid in point, it takes a political participation. what does that mean for the future of politics in this country? one of the key issues we have to address is the fact that the average age of south africans, according to last year, since this is around 2627. so if you have more, the people growing in that 14000000 deb, it means that we're not going to reach quorum, which is something that to africans never really had a problem with. with in the past, you're going to have elections being decided by a group of people who may no longer be with in the demographic or the living demographic. by the time, by the time the next election rolls around. but that's down to 2 things. one is,

is the issue of representation, right? not in terms of just age, but also in terms of understanding gender class. i listed many demographic fault lines. it's still an operation within, within south africa city is on that. i don't think that we addressed. it also means that small applied to the crowd movements are going to take advantage of the fact that no one is voting and create groups outside of the political party as an, as an association or group. and that brings to for an important question which is do you think this lack of representation in the political sphere is what is creating this huge gap in this story that i'm being told, the politicians seem to be speaking. one thing and young people was talking about something completely different to such an extent. yes, there was a segment that i saw and they said you see a couple of days ago when men said, when i, when you giving me a job, i will go forward. so now there's a question of ok use,

i'm not just these reproductive entities that i just use for political hold. use one to be economic beings, which we social beings before they engage in political action. yeah. and that's something that has to be interrogated and, and something that has to be taken into account. you know, we're not having any conversations about why they know young women are presenting political parties in this election period. ok, so very quickly we've looked at quite a number of issues. do you think the selection is going to bring any change whatsoever to the current state of affairs in the country? i think people should look out for the role of small parties to, for me to also look out for how the votes change a certain provinces. but it wasn't, and it's always a huge problem to look out for. but i think that the smaller parties may payroll because their calls are full, very full, very rounded conversations to be had about community based issues. and the 2021

local government election showed us that those issues as well. what people seats in councils and then municipalities around the country. and i don't see, i don't see a way in which those clients, when they get in the other national provincial level independent cabinets, is going to be interesting because as much of the very few of them. and they can only have one seats, the kind of issues that can be tabled in a new parliament with independent candidates. put, create interesting, coalitions moving forward. right. so a lot they have to look forward to, we can speak to see how the election unraveled. thank you so much for your time, kind of a 90 fellow just as i said. and also i'm at least no idea what is the weight. so for district debates, i have promised you that you're going to get a v. i. p. 12 of the township, and that's exactly what's coming up. thanks to this graffiti artist. that's what's hello, this is samsung kaplan, known as soon as i have 911, i'm a street,

i just come to load when it comes to. so a born and bred in to where to send to ne, reflect the back of his hand from the power part, the clips down to the more a market area or the plot to window is a melting pulse of old books of mine. but for which i had the dock history was created back in 19 thirty's, with the south african government started separating black people from white people . today, the eclectic township is the country's largest of its kind. sends o is a well known face in this neighborhood. he always felt this morning with a visit to mamma tempest. so make a lot of created. a lot of parts is a way to do them up. it takes, and chips center with no strangers to this kind of work. he used to wake up every morning at 4 am to po potatoes. he and his grandmother would sell the food to work

cuz commuting to johanna as book shops like these are the beating heart of business in so little. this is the symbol affects the people growing up in the sense those passion for us blossomed in the middle of a paul tide. he began by painting free, then zealous signs on any blank wall he could find. he went on to study art in switzerland, but decided to return to use the lubbock rachel. today you can spell his trademark colorful, eyes all across the city, including on the eye clinic e a to cinema. today it's a ruined but back in the day it was one of the only places with black people could watch movies. yes. include much of a voice, including or see anything to the government, but you always on the streets and writing 17 preaching that universal language and see, you know, we are not happy with the system the so which i played a pivotal role in the eventual down full of apartheid sands i ponds as the legacy

of the celeste, who uprisings at the head to peterson memorial hundreds of school children were gone down. my police in 1976. that's the symbol that's representing my heart. i am here today. i'm free. i know my rights because of my uncles in my mind as my front desk will forward for us so that you can have a bed tonight. south africans now come together to celebrate freedom day commemorating the 1st post apartheid elections held in 1994 cents when his friends mark the occasion at a club neighbor's home. the well, that brings us to the end of a very special show here in johannesburg. thank you for your company and you know what to tell us what you think we love hearing from you?

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