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tv   Conflict Zone  Deutsche Welle  May 30, 2024 5:30am-6:00am CEST

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so when we say there about never getting up every weekend on dw, the italians in january this year, mocking the mother of 3, fascist activists in rome in 1978, almost 18 years after the defeated, the right that can be few single gestures send about designed to send such a shilling warning when you see pictures like that you what goes to your mind? we are reminded so on the darkest hours of this continent when fascists
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were in power and set the world on fire. and i think every body who is in a democratic responsibility should be aware that there is this tendency of this political direction and this threat. and we should ally and try to fight this the last november, a secret meeting involving fall right activist, neo nazi sympathizers. and seeing the effect goods from germany's right wing at the party took place to the hotel and puts them outside. but in their mission to discuss the mass people taishan of migrants, asylum seekers,
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naturalized german citizens, judge to have assimilated poorly to life in the new country. the organizes dispute characterization of the event and the information we're reporting about it. what they didn't know at the time was it the german investigative group. corrective was also at the meeting watching and listening. principal guest speaker, the notorious austria in white supremacist mountains zone, invited to provide the group with the ideological test and the means of imposing it . i will make life on the lesson for those people who wanna implement as a country, those people who want to exploit or social systems. because at the moment, germany is like an open invitation for everybody wants to exploit us that those who attended the meeting had been invited as patriots and were expected to contribute financially to the course. the group was in points moved the was reading
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a moment off. we're just getting the power, it's just a matter of time. we're almost there. there's the carrot in front of our nose. all you have to do now is not the, the host of the meeting was calling it's very outspoken, least the meeting for the master plan. the call to the master plan, and he invited people from the if the he invited people with money. and i think this meeting all this like in the nicholas came together. i think one of the politics and money. and this was special about this meeting because markings and i was, you know, i was really invited in this special way. so into the invitation. they called him, we have the honor that this man can talk about the master plan. so anyway, it was
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a special on the report on the meeting it, many like a messiah o. b, a, if these poll ratings from it to was hundreds of thousands protested across the country incense. but such a topic was discussed by mainstream politicians mixing with note extreme is and what's more close to a location stumped forever in germany's post will conscience hardly a co incidence. was it this meeting took place, been 8 kilometers for vans, a where the extermination of millions of jews was profit and agreed by hitler's not to choose. what are you going to tell me that that so never, never crossed your mind. i think that is despicable of the mainstream media to even compare it is, you know, it's completely not comparable and it can tell you why it is meeting with the place to the calls pairing. and i'm just saying i can tell you why it's meeting the place that causative booked. no from all thoughts at all. yeah,
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because i'm not focused on the past all the time. i was looking at all the special meetings of places. i focus in the future. and also some of the reasons you mentioned on this criticism, these people folks in the past or 6 months of gone by soon supports that meeting. but the best hasn't settled. and for some, at least the warning lights are still flashing. red propose indicate that the far right will make significant gains in next month, so you have to pay the elections. if that happens, what, what do you do with all that new power? is there a ground plan? how safe is democracy? are you going to be across the european union? the key questions that we set out to investigate 1st stop in brussels, where the advance of the right wing has set nerves jangling among seen the politicians . not helped by a space of scandals involving spying and influence. peddling among members of the
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european parliament to be helpful additions, how don't hesitate to get paid from our enemies. so it is the combination of external pressures and internal willingness to cooperate with those who have the whole styles. hostile plans for the, for the and there are many other factors which are threatening democracy. for instance, the deluxe of understandable communication, visible just because all the people are calling for health. that is a lot of uncertainty and the uncertainty has only creased along with mounting numbers. straight to attacks on german politicians. the frequency of these interventions has doubled since 2019 to evidence for germany. target number one in york for extreme is back
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on may the 7th, yvonne, most of the local reuse candidates in address the frontier sales campaigning in the wrong place at the wrong time, the far right to tell them. and then i guess the perhaps the biggest recent threat to germany is now being assessed in the court inch to got it all $27.00 germans will be tried charge with attempting to overt strode a german government. the quote president called it the most serious national security trial. since the 2nd world war, prosecutors said the accused stockpiled weapons and were prepared to kill, to achieve the aims. senior german politicians say they will trump the god against
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you. think efforts are under way to repeat this attempted qu, they could be of an attempt to cuz well, you know, i'm not allowed to talk about a concrete things. but i would strongly suggest to listen to the presence of the intelligence agencies in germany. and they are very clear that there are people still acting and trying to do stuff like that's how crucial of coming europeans that actions to democracy in new york. i have to tell you that this election, so we'll have a decisive spa for the future years. and the way the life defend make business in europe. and so the selections are very crucial and this elections are necessary to protect. i think that if i not only the far right,
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but the political bowers, including the new members of the following month, will destroy the unity off the european union. then the you will, we can, we have the have to be strong now, because if you have a lot of new challenges and, and, and the nice outside of the role for which have influence inside the . ready how can people trust the elections? they don't know whether they've voting for a russian puppet or somebody who's genuine. i think everybody who has a little bit of an understanding about politics knows where they put the puppets are. if you're listening to the pre election, the hype, you could be forgiven from thinking the far right. there's about the story, the citadel of european democracy,
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demanding to be less inside. but you'd be wrong. it's already on those gates and its power and influence have expanded rapidly across the continent. you'd have autographs and you have fall right, governments and fall right parties with a well established in your now does that frighten you? it does because i see a lot of lying in the campaigns. i mean the promises. so what's frightening me as is the 3 didn't do enough to or for the people of the alternative from the far right? no, such, i'm big, you a t on the trip to the, to see the white supremacist mountains on the island, plenty of bodies of the playbook. and that of, of the far right. moved with that from intention to exhibit a high level of pressure on immigrants either to adapt to life in europe. go a,
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what is this high level of pressure? what is it? any kind of pressure, economic pressure to pray, harris? not at all. not at all. threats confiscations, but no communications that's, that's you made always up. what did i do? i got to ask them to do them every right and i ride on every right. that's the beach and they have the same overlays, you basically have their positives, a culture called what i'm saying is for people who are you legally, you have a passport. the have to assist have a system of high pressure and also them voluntarily to go to the home countries. if the prefer the listing. uh, as long as the pallet society, you might as well just go to in this and make so what are you able to deliver upon from dreams of division discrimination, causing foreign restaurants? housing most destroyed multiculturalism. what, what, what do you deliver? that's pretty destructive program, isn't it? all programs of positive want we want to safe and peace of identity and the same time respect. and we are a nation culture,
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the thousands of islamic countries respect the okay. oh go no, i respect the blue relative to the world, but i want to save my own country it's. it's just foreigners go home, not at all and the, and that sounds good. the blessing and you know, people, if you want to help go there and help them there and stop importing them to europe and becoming a pull factor in the met. that's what i say. and i think on message is not very cold at all. it's very serious and that's why at the moment the ac is the most popular party among the tests that claim the a these lead candidates in the european elections dropped into a small bavarian town just a month before the vote. maximillian pro max to his promoters was there to greet the faithful. the image is crucial. the fancy sports, god driven name out tunes in the game, in case the cameras missed the 1st time around the models for declaration and the
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little white cost of funds to assist the anti immigrants message. it didn't look like a party of the german security services and classified potentially extreme. but it is just 2 days off with a gentleman who confirmed that classification and the a if he can continue to be watch bug. i'm followed by the state across the street for the event account, a demonstration, and the reminded, but quite apart from his party maj. max himself does have problems. big ones, your office is just being rated after your chinese. this is the, was arrested last month on the charge will be back to as an agent for china. the news report said that and it said several people working closely with you received funding from china. do you know about that? no, that's not true. i mean, the 1st thing is look,
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the gym and domestic intelligence said that they super. why is my former assistant for 4 years? obviously, he was suspicious, but i was the want. and now those who knew every thing play me tell you play, you're paying the victims, you know, i the title victim, obviously i am. but this is not the political question. this is what i always say. the government reads germany at the, the, the government wants us to look for spies, but we don't, we notice this feel nauseous, so it's a difficult thing. but the election is about politics. it's not about spines. your role. so i believe under investigation by the public prosecutor as the no, no, no, i'm surprised to publicize the address then from russia in china, the public prosecute to address them is now reading news. and is considering whether the news reports are enough to prosecute me or to investigate me. so they
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call it a pre investigation. it is just taking good on me because those people don't want to talk about politics. no payments came your way. nothing from the protocol, sco voice of your for the reply to the payment. but once again, if you repeat payment payment payment fee on us be on us being uh steps the way to a white is serious political debates. but a serious political debate was brewing only it wasn't the one crowd wanted to talk to about scott doors. and this information by the intelligence agencies you're pulling out with marine depends the rest of them on national now in front. so you're not so exciting to some of your closest political lies anymore. your look, 1st of all, we work together with our colleagues in new york in parliament. so they are very happy with cross spoke too soon. days later, the f these allies in the european parliament, the far right identity and democracy, groups through the mouth,
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crowd was banned by his party from any further campaigning. he remained so barely candidates, and he'll find out soon enough. what the boat does make a b a if these pre election payoffs is valid. and the question to the chair of the bone does tags intelligence can be, can you foresee any circumstances under which a fall, right? government could come to power here in germany? no. certainly i arrived now, i see no way um people never saw what the sd would pull that 20 to 25 percent. did that? yeah. well, yeah, i mean you comp for fee and if you're going to add somebody to go for stuff, i know i usually go for some gym. that's true, but you asked me for a prob know for profiles, ease and, and i don't see that,
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but that doesn't change that we have to take this very, very serious, right? when the extra miss would be voted into power and then they show that they can solve the problem is we, we would and then they gets the exchange for someone else in the next election, we would have no problem. the problem is that when right wing extremists get into power, they don't give us up again. and that's what you see every way that every wet includes hungry with its far right, populace prime minister, victor, all the friends of love be uprooted in the me of russ's. he doesn't want to leave the you. you said recently he wants to come correct. in office since 2010, he submitted tom with associates from his feed us party, toby in 18 key rows in government. only now he has a serious challenge in the little village, close to hunger, his border with ukraine,
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a whistle blow and form of feed us inside to his campaigning for a seat in the european parliament. but pay to him, would you as long term ambition is much logic. he wants to speak to obama from paula it's not an easy job to with the support is here. the rural areas are a stronghold for all about it. but it's on the signs on a rainy days, so a little cheap. and then the series mode you on those, he's bringing in crowds and telling them what they've long wanted to hear. the system is complex and the people are shut up in the quarter option with the proper gone and the lies with the secret service. so he's quiet the he beat that i should even, but i still think i'm quite sure that document action means it's possible to win the fee and to feed us something like that, or by monday, ah, speeds publicly about the government's interference in a judicial case and he does so was almost all ready. he was married to the previous junction of the card,
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the president and everybody of course they towards the idea of the state or vice thing from 2000. and then the who would address thing in the, everybody or the position. so now there is no balance of power in hungry. the only one of the existing power is to feed us. this is a bar factory. to soak with power factory. mean you cannot make, bought, be bought. it took up by waterman secret service. part of it. the bodies is everything. with all that, how is he really going to let himself be voted out of office? that's a question. i really hope that something the steel that from the democratic hero environment is that oregon and, and have you ever heard of that that does take over the fall or if the bill have demanded that from the on getting deeper. if you have the ad on that, i'm not the short 5 need to have be difficult. it will take more than some live
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time being on a rainy day or to push the or by machines through the exit. but how is it possible to let a single lead to take over an entire european state for so long? could it happen elsewhere? there's a reason why people might turn to the right, isn't that there's widespread discontent in europe with politics and outcomes, not just migration. a report to the commission in february talked about a broad geography of discontent, of declining regions. many small cities, towns and rural areas have a sense of dispatch, not just limited to economic hardship, but also to have a feeling of being politically disenfranchised, socially alienated. you have sympathy with them. absolutely. but allow me to come back to this any additional question because look to my chronan joyce. metro has currently in the polls was his party around 17 percent in, in front socialist discharge, just doing the 16 percent in germany. this moment of the time,
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that's all the 2 top leaders are funeral and then the voice in the last because we are lacking real leaders with the support of citizens. just 3 weeks before the european elections. so the vacuum right to probably be the rubber pizza survives and assess the nation's attempt in the town, probably about a 119 kilometers from the capital practice to the government. so to shoot, to have a clear political motivation one of feet. so as i said, being taught, hate for opposition. i love the strictest. european lead is reacted shaw wanting the violence had no place and you are being politics. but they've already be plenty of warranties either late or, you know, or to go to the feet properly, flap the spear right head of your it's judy elections. this attack spans out spits brutality and bits intention. the fairies could encourage civil the violence in other parts of the continent with political hatreds. also from the you're
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a liberal political group review said it was increasingly along by the rising polarization and the political, severe few by extreme, beside the ology some of those ideologies world show last november in the fall, right? we thing in post them as it was in respectable assurances, legality and moderation. what yes, really interesting about it. they really wanted to do a to plan everything in a way that seem to be legal. you know, they were, they, they emphasized it's always, you know, we do it legally. we do it constitutionally, and i think this also shows, you know, the, the dangers which are the other of these organizations, these movements. and also the end of the, of course, they try to infuse these ideas into drums society, you know, not by breaking law and not by changing the constitution or doing unconstitutional
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stuff. but by bending all these laws and institutions kind of a of yeah, like it's a, it's a slow poison into the society denazi's back then we're also saying everything has to be legal and you can look into the bundle they pulled. the car is underlined. everything has to be legal. this is, this is, you know, normal the protocol which discussed the extermination of choose exact. yes. was better backlash against you for breaking this story. any scripts k me away afterwards. the. yeah, of course, off of the story we had a tremendous backlash and we had people attacking us personally. me. i was on the main channels of the party with name and face and saying that i am channels of the a f d. yes. so it was on the pocky main channels of twitter, etc. so they were kind of cooling out, doug, whistling against me, but also the rest of the collect teeth. a tory room was under under attack. i
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remember through a camera i was, you know, waiting from right, right. it could blog is waiting for you to come down to says, and they were showing we know where you are. we know your address. we are going to follow you. and we know from internal monitoring of a right to go check groups that they are organizing to find us. and we are actually not the only use for them exec it, every kind of use room. every journalist who is reporting on these groups is actually targeted and, you know, and the stronger they gets, the more. yeah, the more people are targeted and that's for sure. it's not just in europe. the people are waiting with anxiety for the results of the june elections, ukraine, spices and politicians. those of any search by the far right with it's russian sympathies, could have serious consequences for the war with moscow. in brussels. they know that to i am or not have been not
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happy at all because sizing ukraine needs more, more weapons and more munition and so on. your is supporting new k, but it's not enough. is it not enough in the military sense? and that sort of accounts and the end of the day off, they don't have sovereignty over their own territory. they don't have a country today. we have to see at least 4 lines of support. but you are either, this is a key one. this is exist centrally important, critical one to support the ukraine of a sufficient amount of immunization and right, that's the west has to do more. ukraine's armed forces is seen plenty of promises coming. go aware that their political football and not always in the hands of the supporters if the elections give the far right great to influence, it might well mean that those emulation weapon supplies become
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a trickle locked in successive e committees by politicians who think ukraine should settle now with moscow, and in the war so far away from the field of conflict, the political baffled lines have been drawn for ukraine as much as the rest of europe. the stakes could hardly be higher. the, [000:00:00;00]
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